I think Kenny is just extremely sensitive to disagreement or resistance especially when he sees it as detrimental to people he cares about. Lee not supporting him in destroying Larry basically leaves him thinking, "Lee didn't care enough about me and my family, nor even Clementine for that matter, to see that this had to be done, and he was willing to risk all of our lives and mine in our predicament, endangering the whole group, all for just the miniscule chance that Larry could survive". One more reason could be that Kenny resents Lee for leaving him with the guilt of destroying Larry on his own, instead of sharing the load of responsibility by helping him do it
@@xenophonanthony2791as a kenny fan I couldn't agree more, I love the character and ngl I sided with him my first playthrough of season 1, but my second playthrough I decided to not agree with him just that one moment and holy crap was the difference crazy, the only way I got him to come with me at the end to help look for clementine was because I chose to shoot duck instead of letting him do it, but yeah after my second pmaythrough I understood why people hated him cuz he was a spiteful prick the entire season just from me disagreeing with him that one time, however he does make up for it a bit imo at the end of the season qhere you 2 can hash it out and he even admits to clementine in season 2 that he could've been a better friend to Lee, great writing, there's a reason the first 2 games are a 10/10 for me
11:05-11:12 I laughed so hard at this part when i first played this game especially the way Kenny looks down at Lee's crotch before he asks him "it wasn't for touching kids was it?"😂😂 I sided with Kenny the entire game.
I've noticed in Lilly's room, if you decided to help Kenny in the locker room, Lee will be on Kenny's side. If you decided to help Lilly, he will be on her side. Yeah, Lee. You aren't on any one's side...
If you save Duck, defend him and side with Kenny on Lilly not being in charge of people's lives, he will still be p1ssed at if you didn't smash Larry's head. To that all I have to say is... Imagine if the group managed to defeat the bandits in episode 3, Lilly discovered that Duck was bitten, and immediately shot him. Kenny would be FURIOUS, he'd go bananas, wouldn't he? Though it would be only fair after what he did to Larry.
@@murtaughthedragon1145 that's what i thought. though larry is still very strong, who knows he could break free of the saltlicks especially if they dont fit on his arms.
I just have to say that giving CPR alone is not enough to completely revive a dead person. That is a movie myth It just keeps the blood pumping. That's why I helped kill Larry. Kenny was actually correct in thinking that Larry couldn't be saved.
@@Lobotomyaftermath like bruh Kenny I did everything to help you and ur family and ur saying ur not going to help me find clem cause I didn’t help u smash in Larry’s head?
ikrr, literal different dialogue for the number of times you've sided with Kenny or against Kenny, that's something you don't see alot at all in the seasons after
Mhm, even the expressions and tone of voice, if he helps you or not in certain events and QTEs as well as his overall demeanor and if he sticks up for you. Hostile Kenny is rude, brash, and often times expects you to handle things without support or will go into his feelings if you don't side with him. It plays hard since he loses his wife, kid and friends during the apocalypse. Firnedly Kenny is much more upbeat, if honest, generally seems to have a more mellow and buddy buddy attitude and will save your ass in a few QTEs, stick up to you and almost see you as an anchor as he loses the closest to him
@@TemmieContingenC that does not matter as nothing actually changes if you befriend Kenny or if he becomes hostile towards you. Typically that would get you a different ending.
@@Leonard_Wolf_2056 And season 2 he will reflect on Lee and his relationship with him when you first meet him. You can cite Lee in certain dialogue options in S2 with Ken.
@@TemmieContingenC exsept it still does not matter. Kenny will always help Clem. Relationship with some one matters if you get a different ending because of it, or if game changes significantly because of it. Clem can be a b!tch to Kenny in S2 and he will still want to protect her & AJ.
@@Leonard_Wolf_2056 I was mostly pointing out smaller changes that are charming. You’re right tho but I don’t think it takes away from the experience too much. A good game with very important choices that ripple thru the game is probably Detroit Become Human. Have you tried it?
He definitely killed Carver. I wish that he would have dispatched his henchman Troy too. He got off easy with Jane having bitten off his Johnson and getting devoured by Walkers shortly thereafter.
@@abovethelaw4417 Kenny from season two would likely taken out Lilly with brute strength. Yes, Lilly will make him work but in the end Kenny will have likely barely won.
The unfriendly Kenny is more interesting in my opinion but if you kill his son for him he will still say he was a hell of a guy in season 2 meaning he got over what happened in the meat locker
Hulk TV series, Actualy how Kenny comnents on Lee is dependant on wether he came with Lee to find Clem at the end of Episode 4, not wether you killed Duck though it does play a part in his decision. If Kenny came with you he says that Lee was "A hell'ov a guy." and if he didn't come with Lee he says something along the lines of "Lee and I had our differences but I know he'd have done anything to protect you." You are right in saying you could try to Save Larry but , you'd just have to convince him to come instead of on his own. This way he still says Lee was "A hell'ov a guy."
Gotta love how even before he found out Ben caused his wife and son's deaths he hated his guts. Also, the thing I've noticed about Kenny at the beginning of the episode when talking about Larry: If you've consistently sided against him, he'll be defensive about his actions. But if you sided with him, he sounds like he's having second thoughts about it.
He is the kind of guy that thinks "i dont agree totally with me but i dont agree with that guy so if he disagrees with me i will defend smth i dont believe in no matter what"
I love how hostile Kenny is more dismissive and antagonistic almost as if he just knows what you're gonna say while friendly Kenny is more reasonable, curious and more respectful and doesn't do ad hominem
I don't. It makes him incredibly unlikeable as he is antagonistic towards Lee just because Lee does not do as he says all the time. May be realistic, but it is far from a likeable character trait.
@@Leonard_Wolf_2056 yeah I agree, having replayed this game multiple times w/ the definitive edition. Ken definitely gets into his emotions way before he thinks rationally sometimes. I still think the small details and bromance between them if you’re supportive is awesome, and the small details like him just expecting to be disappointed by your responses it unfriendly (whereas if you disagree with friendly Kenny he is more curious and confused) his facial expressions and just overall tone and vibe when he’s friendly and unfriendly are great touches.
@@Bithe_Get he ignores your arguments and points even they make sense, and attacks you over not always supporting him. It’s silly because if you support Kenny all the way, help Lilly and then continue to support him he still gets somewhat standoffish with you.
@@TemmieContingenC you gotta understand that not helping with larry is risking kenny's chance to save his family to save a guy that both you and kenny dont get along he sees it as you being totally unlogical
It's more complicated than that. In late E4 and E5, his dialogue is very heavily tied to the episode 1 and 3 choices. For instance, if Kenny questions your loyalty on going to get Clem, saying Clem is your family will only work based on how many times you supported his family. If Lee was good to his family, Kenny will go with him, but if not Kenny will yell at Lee for pulling the family card.
@@gumfireparalax1371 I disagree on this, in my case I supported Kenny except in killing Larry, leaving Lilly and killing Ben. I even gave him food in episode 2, and he just didn't help me find Clementine, I suppose that for him to help you, you must follow him in almost all his tantrums.
@@victormariobalantarengifo6622 what I wanna know is why didn’t you put down Larry? The guy was dead to begin with and it didn’t help his case he was such a jerk to Lee and Kenny.
I had Friendly Kenny and didn't Side With him in Ep 2 With the Leader thingy. Also what happens if you tell the Saint John's you're the Leader With Unfriendly Kenny? Will he have an Angry Face or does he Smiles like he always does and Lily and Larry Have that Mad face. Lily's face I call The Witch Face.
On my first run I supported Kenny all the way through… except for when I choose to save Larry, cause despite the guy being a massive asshole if there was a chance he was still alive I’d take it. Everyone deserves a second chance of some kind and I thought by saying his life his attitude would change. But no saving Larry is what got me Unfriendly Kenny even when I supported him where it really matter, his family.
*"You talked Kenny into stopping the train"* *"You convinced Kenny to stop the train"* Such a small difference, but still such different responses. These games really do well with storytelling based on your choices.
Carly already knows that Lee is convicted for murder because of her news reporter background. So she just tells him that he should just tell others before it comes out later.
I sides with Kenny WITH EVERYTHING EXCEPT kill Larry because holding lily I felt was torture and I still got neutral that’s why Season 2 Kenny is better lol
@@pandanation_2830 Unlikely. Kenny’s gotten better at fighting in season 2 and beat Jane but it was only barely and Lee can beat Molly who washed Kenny easily and I think can beat Jane as well.
I used to think that too, But now i think Kenny actually saved them in the Meat Locker. Larry would've need medical supplies to survive that. Remember too that is the apocalypse, if Larry turned into a Walker he would've killed all of them.
Think you forgot one, after you and Kenny escape the zombies. Friendly Kenny will say “lets go pal” while unfriendly Kenny will get called out by lee for not helping
I got all of the friendly Kenny scenes, and he said that lee deserved a spot in the rev with clementine, but I didn’t save duck. I also supported ken all the time. I got neutral kennny
@@Kenny-ep2nf Because it’s hypocritical. It’s ok for Lee to help Kenny kill Larry but not for S2 Clem to kill Sarita? Kenny is in so much denial when his son is bitten but has no second thought to kill Larry because he might turn. Kenny suggested to kick Lilly out of the group because she’s a “murderer” when she tried to kill Ben but Kenny wants Lee to drop Ben and all of a sudden it is ok? Larry is a POS sure, but he doesn’t deserve to be killed like that.
It’s kinda funny the only way to make Kenny go with you to find Clem is if you basically act like the villain. Kill a man in a meat locker? Debatable on if he was alive or not but I believe he was alive, since before Kenny dropped the lick on his skull, he took a breath. Drop a TEENAGER to his death to be eaten by walkers because he tried to help? Ben is debatably one of the worst characters in TWDG, but I understand why people defend him, he is just a teen, he’ll fuck up and cost lives, something people forget Clementine does. In order to get Kenny to go with you, you HAVE TO kill one of them, otherwise he won’t go unless you bring up Clementine. Kenny isn’t a good man in this season, the only reason why people like him is because he’s charismatic and kinda funny. I know that’ll get me a lot of slack but it’s true.
That doesnt mean Larry was alive, he could take a breath and still become a walker. Remember, they were locked in a room, and didn't have any medicine. I agree that is not good just dropping Ben like that. But Kenny is not a Bad person he did what he had to in order to protect the people around him and survive the apocalypse.
Larry wasn't alive, he experienced cardiac arrest, which means he wouldn't have lived without proper medical equipment like a defibrillator. If Katjaa was is the room, I could understand it as she has medical knowledge. But no one except Kenny did, as he would have picked it up from Kat. The fact this is what Kenny did shows Larry was a lost cause. And Kenny is a good man in the season. He saved Lee after Larry punched him, even if Lee agreed with Larry. He hates Ben because he technically got Duck and Katjaa killed, without knowing the full context. And the way Kenny went out showed how great he his. He obviously saved Christa, which was heroic. But with Ben, it shows how good Kenny is. He learns Ben's perspective through Ben's outburst, and shows remorse for how he treated him. Then, he decided to stay behind so that Ben didn't die alone. He also made sure that Ben didn't face his biggest fear, which was becoming a walker. He did this by using the only bullet in the gun, which could have killed him. Kenny's outbursts were because he lost almost everything, but becomes willing to sacrifice himself so that others live.
@@KMog-py7coKenny wouldn't have gotten that medical knowledge from Kat though. Kat is a Vet, she even states herself that she thought she'd get used to stitching up everyone's wounds. Hell, when you first meet her she even says that she works with animals and not humans. Kenny didn't know shit, he immediately asked if Larry was dead and then decided he had to go. I'm not saying you're wrong about Larry being dead, so don't even bother restating your point, but I'm saying Kenny didn't know. He made an assumption out of irrational fear of the situation and stuck with that. Any medical knowledge Kenny had would've been about animals. When Lee cuts of Paul's leg or brings back shot Travis, Katjaa has no idea what to do but she does her best. Her words heavily imply that she had not once tended to anything other than surface level wounds. The only thing she says is "That man was never going to survive." She only started treating human wounds AFTER the apocalypse, not before.
Its hard to not get into a fight with Kenny if he is so unfriendly in episode 3, guy is a prick, but he has been through a lot. Never gave up on him and you get some nice development by the end of it
You missed a few bits of diagloage, for example: You didn't cover what Kenny says if you did steal food from the station wagon when Lee says "We got plenty of food out of that station wagon" when Lily and Kenny are arguing. Also he says a third piece of neutral dialogue if you where friends in Episode 1 but tried to Save Larry when you confess your past to him.
If it makes you feel any better about killing Larry then just know that he was never gonna survive if you pump his heart with Lilly. It wouldn’t have helped anyway, you need professionals to help you and that wasn’t gonna happen. Pumping his heart was the equivalent of making pancakes without the utensils or bowls, it’s just not gonna happen.
@@Killer23TrZStatistically speaking, I highly doubt he was gonna make it anyway. You might as well help kill him, because you get more out of it anyway.
Dude seriously, I had some first aid training and CPR is basically just a way to keep someone’s blood pumping till they get a defibrillator or professional treatment Larry had NO chance of survival.
It's pretty annoying I did everything right by Kenny but because I refused to help him kill Larry he turns into an arsehole. I mean nobody hates Larry more than me but there was no definitive proof that he had actually died, he had the same exact heart problems in the pharmacy and didn't turn then.
Because they were able to get Nitroglycerin pills in time at the pharmacy store. Larry was just so angry at the St. John’s that he get so stressed out not realizing that he needs to calm down. Plus, they were stuck in a meat locker, and they didn’t have the pills. I don’t think CPR will be enough to save Larry because the moment he dies from a heart attack and goes walker on them, everyone dies.
Someone commented on a video by BabyZone that Larry wouldn't make it out of there, since they didn't have meds and CPR only delays the inevitable. Larry's mouth moving was a reflex, not him actually breathing or waking up. Kenny's actions were rash, but he did save everyone from a 6' 4" walker with muscle/fat to overpower everyone in the meat locker.
You will still get “What’s he say?” instead of “It was a scary situation” if you save neither Shawn or Duck. I know, it’s weird and there aren’t any dialogue changes opposed to when you actually save Shawn so Kenny will still say that Shawn viewed Lee as a hero when he died in an Unfriendly Kenny playthrough.
13:00 The delivery of that line is so amazing. I love how Lees voice is and it feels like he's really knocking some sense into Kenny, I love the delivery of the line so much!
I don’t know if many people agree but I think most of the stuff Kenny talked about I agreed with, the Motel ended up dead and because we didn’t leave sooner the supplies were found and the bandits attacked, even when it came to Killing Larry, if their was a choice to try and convince Kenny to help resuscitate him I would’ve taken it but if Larry had turned he probably would’ve but someone before taking him down, it was to much of a risk to try. The only thing I really kinda disagreed was taking the station wagon, in the end it didn’t make much of a difference and I’d side with Clem over Kenny any day but it just felt wrong even though it was probably the right call as well. This is just my opinion but I think Kenny was right on a lot of things especially when it came to arguing with Lily who wasn’t usually right if at all.
Lee: We have to go eventually lily. Unfriend Kenny: So you change your mind. Lily: I know lee, I know that eventually different. Lee: we have to go eventually lily Friend Kenny: so you change your mind. Lily: We don’t have to do anything. Kenny: you didn’t want to go because of your dad health. But he’s gone now Lee: Easy Kenny. Unfriend Kenny: That not was your saying. Lily I know we gotta go to eventually Lee: This is place fine Kenny Friend Kenny: That not was your said pal. Oh sure it’s fine right this second but this ain’t sustainable and you know it lily: it’s gonna be hard you too Lily: Don’t boss people Lee: We’re strongest together I know you think I’m on her side but there are no side damn it Lee: we strongest together it can be you versus us lily we’re sorry what happened to your dad but we’re in together now Lee: Everything can’t come down same to the disagreement, lily concern are valid you know. Unfriend Kenny: of course you think they are Lee Goddamn it! I’m not your anyone side Kenny this is about everyone. Lee: Everything can’t come down same to the disagreement. Lee: lily Kenny got some legit Lily I’m so tired be you too Lee: damn it I’m not your anyone side lily these rescission affect everyone Lily: We have everything we need Unfriend Kenny: because of me lily Lily: no, because lee know how to take care of people not just things Lee: we plenty of food from that station wagon Unfriend Kenny: No thanks to you, you didn’t want take it where the hell would be now. We can’t just keep our finger crossed for more station wagons Lee: We plenty of food from that station Friend Kenny: you didn’t want take it where the hell would be now Lee: She’s right you know, sh$t just worse by the day Unfriend Kenny: whatever lee you pick on your side. Friend: Hey man, she’s not helping is she? Unfriend Kenny: all I know is whenever this sh!t happens I’m the fu&k bad guy I’d like to thank you for once, for once! Friend Kenny: She’s right about one things none of this getting any easier Lee: Kenny you got second I need to tell you something Unfriend Kenny: yeah, what’d got? Lee: it’s serious Unfriend Kenny: ok should I sit down? Lee: come on Friend Kenny: sure pal what’d Lee: it’s serious Friend Kenny: oh no, what the she devil do to you Lee: shut up man Lee: I killed someone different than Larry or the at. John’s different from everything this before walker Unfriend Kenny: citizen? Lee: yes, I know I didn’t say anything when I met you because I was with the girl you know I was worried Kenny: look we all done sh&t now for what you some kind killer Lee: it’s not like that Kenny: is duck safe around you? Lee: of course Kenny: good you should know if we got to make number when it’s comes to a boat this is gonna matter, I appreciate it through. Lee: I killed someone different than Larry or the at. John’s different from everything this before walker, I know I didn’t say anything when I met you because I was with the girl you know I was worried Friend Kenny: I just smash the guy head in with fifty pound block of salt. You saw me do that, right? Lee: yeah I did Kenny: and you’re talking about who we were? The fuck does that matter? It’s everything this mess has got us doin now Lee sh!t, look? Is duck safe around you? Lee: of course Kenny: then shut it. You don’t owe anybody kinda explanation. Lee: I was on my way to prison three month ago Unfriend Kenny: No sh&t Lee: no sh&t Kenny: it wasn’t for touch kids was it? Lee: no it wasn’t Kenny because we got two here Lee: I killed a guy in a fight Kenny: should I be worried there’s anything else in your past that’s going to come out? Lee: no Kenny: good you should know if we got to make number when it’s comes to a boat this is gonna matter. Lee: I was on my way to prison three month ago Friend Kenny: No sh&t Lee: no sh&t Kenny: it wasn’t for touch kids was it? Lee: gah, come on man Kenny: what? I gotta ask. Lee: no. I killed a guy in a fight Kenny: hmm musta been a real piece sh&t if you had to haul off and kill him Lee: so we straight then? Kenny: lee, look at everything this mess has got us doin now. I’m sorry you went through whenever you went through. Yeah we’re straight. Lee: Forget it never mind Unfriend Kenny: have it your way Lee: Forget it never mind Friend Kenny: you sure? Lee: I’m sure. It’s not important Lee: ... Unfriend Kenny: you waste my time here Friend Kenny: holy crap, what’d she do to you? Lee: This isn’t about duck Unfriend Kenny: It’s not about my son dying the hell do you know you’re not my friend Lee: i don’t hate u Kenny: Sure as sh&t haven’t done anything for me Lee: This isn’t about duck Friend Kenny: the hell is not. You think we’re pal and you know me. You some elitist prick with a fancy education who could pick me apart. Lee: It’s not like that. Kenny: the fu&k it isn’t. Lee: I Don’t give the fu&k we don’t getting along. I’m not you let do this to katja and duck!!! Lee: I had your back don’t make me fu&k regret Lee: you give fu&k about what I have to say I can’t let you do this to your family. Lee: I had your back unni you’re going through now as hell on earth need your friends Kenny is to stop the train 🚂.
Both friendly and unfriendly Kenny is so well done it gives you a insight to who Kenny is he can be your best friend or your worse enemy me personally I prefer unfriendly Kenny I think it gives him a better arc depending on your choices he can get over his petty grudges against Lee and can help you save Clementine and try to save Ben great character
Kenny is being unfriendly with me just because i did not help him to kill Larry. I always treated him good and now he's treating me like an asshole, it's jsut so annoying
To be fair, you played with fire by trying to give Larry CPR when it doesn't fix a heart attack. Larry would've came back as a walker and eat everyone in the meat locker.
@@Samuel152 Kenny abandoned Lee two times, just because Lee didnt agree to kill Larry. And... Kenny always kills Larry, so why is he even mad at Lee?! So selfish and terrible...
@@5i.260 Kenny gets mad because Lee either stands there and does nothing or tries to get everyone killed in the meat locker. There was no way to save Larry in locker room since there is no pills or defibrillators to save him. Kenny did the right thing, otherwise Larry becomes a walker and eats everyone.
@@5i.260 The point is that Kenny gets mad that Lee didn't have his back/tries to kill everyone in the locker room. You might as well help him kill Larry because he was dead as soon as he hit the floor. You'd be a fool for trying to save him.
I did friendly Kenny and Kenny endings in my first playthrough Now I do canon walkthroughs of games after playing them so for the walking dead I was against him for some of it
