The "Terminus Arc" and "Hospital Arc" should have switched episode lengths. Terminus had a lot of potential, while the hospital was so... boring. It was just a long, drawn out excuse to kill Beth.
Matthew Feagins I'm willing to accept that in the comics, The Hunters were just supposed to be a way of showing that Rick and his group, post-prison, were not to be fucked with. However, in the TV Show, Terminus was a huge base of operations. A community of people. I think it should have taken more than one episode to destroy the base and defeat them. The post-Terminus stuff where Gareth and the surviving people were basically just The Hunters from the comics, would have been fine if the show didn't rush through defeating the base first.
I agree with u so much..they should have spent more time here cause it was way more interesting than that dumb hospital crap..that and I didn't care to see Beth's boring self
I love how there are absolutely no questions or hesitations rick makes a move Darryl instantly draws his weapon followed by the rest of the crew without even knowing what's going on. That's family
@@About36Greekss That was pretty savage, but more on par with the "Nebraska" guy and his friend in the bar back in S2. Definitely a step towards Rick 2.0.
This episode makes clear what Rick said in the first episodes of the fourth season, when he said to Carl "don't name the pigs", in this scene, Gareth didn't called them for their names not even once, because it would be more difficult kill them.
The way Rick looks at Garrett after he gives his "don't do anything stupid" speech, you could tell he knew something was up. Just read him from his police background.
He said "We have nothing to hide". Nobody who has nothing to hide ever says that. Simple psychology, if you actually have nothing to hide then you don't feel the need to tell people that.
Well these people wouldve died to another disease than zombies, after all eating humans will get you their brains or other infected with a severe outbreak from their tainted meat
these Terminus cannibals were the scariest, most ruthless group on the show yet. even more psychotic than the whisperers and more brutal and unreasonable than the saviors. thank god they were a small group compared to the other bad ones. I was genuinely scared for ricks group til Carol showed up to turn things around !
@@melanieball2183 the Claimers weren’t as smart or organized, and a very small group with only 4 guys. had Rick and Darryl never been in the picture and killed them, the Claimers would’ve instead crossed paths with terminus, and been killed and eaten. and like Mike said above, you saw the room with the piles of kids toys and clothes: Terminus murdered and ate whole families that crossed their path. the claimers were very bad men but they were nowhere near that insane. neither were the whisperers. a group cannibals are the most insane ruthless people you could run into
One of the common complaints I see about TWD is that the story line is always just a repeat of the same thing in terms of the group meeting a new set of bad guys all the time, but I think that view is short-sighted in that it ignores that in each group of bad guys is different and has its own personality and motivations, and you're right that the Terminus group was probably the worst, because as they said, "they'd do this to anyone." They would murder anyone they came across. One of them even tried to smother Judith when she was a baby.
I so wish they made the Terminus storyline a lot longer. It had so much potential. It was really interesting to see how the zombie apocalypse turned certain people into cannibals to survive. And Andrew J. West (Gareth) played the psycho cannibal leader PERFECTLY. The crazy people at the hospital were honestly so boring.
Especially since Gareth is supposedly one of the major 7 villains. Even tho he only had 4 episodes. The "Major 7" are Shane, Governor, Gareth, Negan, Alpha, Lance (for some reason), and Pamela Milton. Not Pope, not the Wolves leader, not Jadis, not Joe the rapist, none of the others.
I do agree it would’ve been great to see more because Gareth was a great actor and amazing villain, but I like to see Terminus as the intermission and buildup from the governor to Negan. Rick throughout the first 5 seasons is constantly evolving. He loses his naïveté to Shane and the governor in season 4 is what (imo) finally breaks him and causes him to take no chances anymore (They didn’t finish the job, so the governor came back around a second time and ruined everything they had). Then the people who attack them on the road cause him to descend even further. Terminus (along with the gang on the road) is just intended to show that 1. The old Rick won’t survive in the new world, and 2. The enemies he faces are only going to become stronger (Negan)
0:25 Look at the way Gareth drops his paint brush in anger, and then when he turns to face Rick and the group with a brief expression of rage. You can tell from those small bits of body language that he is fuming at the fact that he's been outwitted somehow or something didn't quite go according to his plan. He's not at all happy to see them. A small but crucial hint into the psychopath that would later be revealed and a phenomenal performance by the actor!
I'm fairly certain that was all an act. I think they knew ricks group was coming but let them. Gareth says one of his people scouted rick leaving a bag of guns in the woods. So they saw him before he entered terminus.
I love how protective Rick is of his family. He doesn't hesitate when he thinks he sees Glenn's pocket watch he *knows* it belongs to Glenn, there's no second guessing. His instinct is flawless
Well after seeing a shawl that exactly like Maggie's, armor that looked exactly like Glenn's and a watch all in the SAME area, it was too much of coincidence.
colormered13 I remember thinking that they would tie up both stories in the mid season finale like Gareth would have returned while Rick and Daryl and the others were in Atlanta and Glenn and Abe’s group was on their way back to the church so we would have had Carl and Michonne and Gabriel dealing w/ Gareth and Rick and Daryl dealing w/ the rescue Beth and Carol/ dealing w/ Dawn arc then Abe would have shown up to the church killed Gareth and Martin and the other termites and then they woulda plied into the fire truck and headed to Atlanta and then the rest of Beth’s arc ending would have happened.
Yeah, why would you want random strangers to know your camp? What if those random strangers are bandits that wanted to rob you? Ita obviously a trap, not a sanctuary
@@hunttedd2636 well Alexandria were very careful, they stalk ricks group First make sure that they are not some random bandits before introducing themselves
It’s a three year old comment but remember that Terminus used to be good. Their signs welcoming anybody in were actually legitimate. Until one day they were overrun by a group of people and locked in cages/raped, etc.
@@SoltrassGaming the bag,gear and poncho were glenn and maggie’s that they were in season 3 + 4. the watch was the watch that Hershel gave glenn when Hershel called glenn his son and gave them his blessing for marriage
@@SoltrassGaming Those specific items all belonged to people from their group. The big orange bag was Bob’s, the poncho was Daryl’s before Maggie had it when the prison fell, and the prison gear and watch were Glenn’s.
the wasted potential terminus had is insane. if they were planning to wrap up this storyline in 2 episodes, why the hell did they hype it up for sooooo long? even the posters leading to this season were like "#terminus, who's gonna arrive" so much preparation and build up for nothing. gareth's death was one of the most disappointing ones for me. i didn't have ANY satisfaction of seeing a villain fall, just a feeling of "noo... not the cool new villain".
yea, but personally i never felt the wolves were so interesting. they seemed violent people for the sake of being violent. terminus was about the idea of cannibalism as a means of survival, being HUNTED as prey, as oposed to just confrontation.
I like how you could tell that Rick and possibly everyone in the group just knew something was wrong. There was nobody like them there. Nobody looking for refuge or shelter. No survivors. Just them and a bunch of nice ppl who all already fit in. That must be a scary feeling.
No , not then , At the Time , where Bob, michonne , daryl and tyrese went to the veterinare College to get medicine , in the Radio they heared the boardcast
@@Jupiter.141 Wrong the first rule is to make sure you have a charged laptop with you at all times, in case you ever get bored and want to play some club penguin on the go.
the hospital arc was so stupid. It literally added nothing to The show... They killed Beth, the main group didn’t learn anything or gain anything from it, and the only character gained (Noah) was killed before the season ended.
@S C when Beth said I get it now it was because she realized that Dawn (the police officer) was not gonna let the group go without having something in return, Beth knew she would never see the error of her way so she tried to kill her so that Noah will be safe.
Beth was truly the worst character in the history of the show. Boring as hell, flat personality, I literally like Andrea and Lori COMBINED better than her. I wasn't in the least bit sorry to see her leave.
@@ZenMonkeyGod Exactly. She was literally useless and died a stupid death. The only reason they kept her was to add filler so the show wouldn't catch up to the comics too fast.
Beth should have been torn apart by zombies in that episode that was just her and Daryl. Would explain why Daryl joins Joe and that group. Failing to save a teenage girl would drive anyone to a dark place
4:02 The way that Rick just look Gleen's watch and don't give a damn of what are they speaking and act is just perfect, it shows how he doesn't care about anything but his people, how he lose the kindness and the beliving in strangers. (sorry for my bad english)
I love how everyone just immediately covers Rick when he grabs the pocket watch. They don't even need clarification on what he's doing they just trust him, Fucking awesome teamwork
Zombient Yeah he was the really young dude, hes also their sniper in the comics. The only time he talked was in a cast interview. I think Rick shot him in the head at the church.
Casey J Heh heh, ya know jimbo, the ovens at Treblinka would have had to burn over 8,000 bodies per day,to make the purported death figures accurate! Yet no ashes or bone fragments have ever been found at the site! Now ain't that just quacking crazy?!
I really wish they fleshed out the terminus story arch over the whole season rather than end it so quickly and focus on the weaker Beth/Hospital story arch that only resulted in her dying
@@nomadhakunamatata5793 They could have made all those cop actors canniballs instead.... and just made only a few actors cops or just ignore the whole cop story period because it wasn't necessary and it went nowhere.
Looking back and rewatching this scene, it gives me shivers at noticing the behavior of the other humans belonging to the Terminus group when they meet Rick and co.
Honestly them waltzing in there has got to be the stupidest shit they've ever done, "yeah lets follow these signs, it cant be a trap!" Like, did the Governor teach them nothing?
This scene highlights ricks intelligence, as the moment he sees and hears Gareth his face turns and you can tell that he’s in to them almost immediately.
Exactly. When they showed up at the church after Rick left i remember thinking "No way in hell Rick would be dumb enough to not see right through this trap" and he did not disappoint. The characters used to be so smart
Always loved this scene, shows how aware rick is of his surroundings, noticed the little things that belonged to his people and didn’t mess around confronting a threat
Imagine if the Saviors confronted this group. Negan would've probably bashed Gareth's head in and force the other Termites to eat his brains before ordering the Saviors to kill them all.
Ahh the glory days of TWD…. I used to look forward to Sunday evening every single week. The off season was the longest wait of my life every summer. Now, the show is almost unrecognizable and I really couldn’t care if I miss an episode.
It happens 🤷 Just be happy that you had the chance to watch something and enjoy it when it was new. I'm personally getting to where I just watch older stuff because new series, heck, even most of the newer movies are just very plain and boring to watch whenever I try to get into something new here lately.
I always liked Daryl’s response time when a fight comes in place. He always has your back, always ready and he would follow Rick until the end of the world.
3:40 Rick was looking around and recognized the Orange backpack, the Armored clothing, the Scarf and the Watch. It belongs to his people who they lost earlier. And now the Terminus people got it so in Rick's eyes they must have took it which they had.
I still think that this group was the most terrifying in the series. When they were lining up people in a pig trough like at a slaughterhouse, smacking their heads with a baseball bat, slitting their throats and draining their blood like it was just another day at the office just so that they could eat them later was horrific. The Governor and Woodbury, Negan and The Saviors were just dicks who had bad motives but you could at least kinda understand their reasoning. But Gareth and Terminus were absolute savages who ate men, women and children.
I think that scene with the tub and the bat...was so twisted. I don't get freaked out that easily with horror movies. But I remembered watching this scene...and saying out loud. WHO THE HELL CAME UP WITH THIS IDEA!!!???😂
This season was my favorite. Despite how long they made the hospital arc….Was really cool to see the group on the road and working together. Cool to see Alexandrians look at them how badass they were. Was a great time for Rick and Company👏🏻👏🏻
The fact that the terminus group is so small inspite of the fact that they supposedly invite everyone in is a bit of a dead give away right off the bat. Even if they hadn't been cannibals, probably not safe to stay in a place you could easily break into.
so the governor gets like two seasons to himself yet terminus which looks like a great concept and the gareth guy looks like a good character... last like for 3 episodes lol
Always be aware of your surroundings and have keen observational skills. I absolutely love this scene because it demonstrates how observation can give you the advantage against an adversary.
