The War of the Ring - The Destruction of Isengard 

It would be bold of Saruman to assume his army could deal with the Ents, considering how easy the Ents ripped apart Isengard's walls.

@@DarthGandalfYT True, though we can gather that Isengard had a skeleton crew of orcs and men when the Ents did so and we do know they are flammable since one was burned up by Saruman's devices, so I could see how he might think that 10,000(or even 5,000) with torches supported by his will might be more effective, as Lenin once said, "Quantity has a quality all its own."

@@DarthGandalfYT Let's be honest, Saruman had long abandoned his wisdom by this point.

I agree, if I recall correctly one saruman’s most power aspects of him is his speech. Theoden almost listened to Saruman in the book. This add more of a complex story to saruman and it carries is story onward. As it just ends when worm tongue stabbing saruman in the movie. He kind of just seems as an acolyte of sauron it doesn’t give me the sense of him being an equal to all the other maiar. But that’s just my opinion

@@johnnybhoff226 Saruman‘s true power is his voice... he was even capable of talking the Nazgul and the Witch-king away when they crossed the Isen for their search of the Shire! And in the end, even Treebeard became a victim of his voice and let him and Grima leave Orthanc

@@michelmorio8026 yea but that’s only in the book, I might said it wrong but I thought the movies could’ve carried his story a little more. It seemed like he wasn’t a true threat per say.

@@johnnybhoff226 this Channel is about the Books First, the movies Second! A lot of these battles that are content of the videos are neither in the movies nor mentioned at all

@@michelmorio8026 yea, you’re right. But I’m comparing the two, and saying I wish they did more with him in the movies. Not trying to change anything he says in the video. I’m just talking personally 👍🏽

I wonder how Grima originally came into his service. Perhaps he was once an honest man who was sent to perform diplomacy with Saruman for a time, and as the wizard became corrupt, he used his voice to compel Grima into his service as a spy and saboteur, probably with the help of flattery, promises of a place to rule, and Eowyn, in the same way Maeglin was first unwillingly, then willingly, brought into Morgoth's fold.

This was actually a thing in LOTRO where there was an undercover group called the "Withered Tree" which was in favour of submitting to Sauron. But in actual canon, there's two major reasons this didn't happen. a). The Dunedain are much harder to corrupt than normal Men. They're generally wiser, and stronger-willed. They also absolutely hate Sauron. Any attempt to covertly influence them would be swiftly rooted out. b). Sauron didn't want Gondor as an ally. He wanted them destroyed or enslaved. He hated the Dunedain just as much as they hated him.

@@DarthGandalfYT Ask me that's a really foolish and too aggressive way of thinking. If I was him I would do what the Pharisees and Hasmoneans did when they took over the Hebrew kingdoms. Not through total extermination of the population. All it would take would be centuries and he would have all the time in the world. To slowly take over a government and it's institutions takes time, patience, and subtly. All you need is the right people at the right place at the right time with the correct thinking to subtly expand your influence as not to be noticed and make sure to create circumstances that will condition your foes into following you. Do not blatantly announce your intentions until everybody agrees with you. But I can tell Sauron though cunning and can see two steps ahead of himself, he isn't too bright enough to see more then ten steps ahead of himself and doesn't possess the skills needed for a operation like that. Is he smarter then Morgoth? Absolutely. But is he that bright? Not so much. He maybe clever but not that clever.

I'll add to what Gandalf said by noting that Sauron had lost his ability to take a fair form after Numenor, and whilst he might have been happy to have them corrupted, as was his MO with Men and Elves before, the problem was that when the White council outed and unseated him from Mirkwood, Gondor and everyone else pretty-well knew who they were dealing with by the time he reentered Dol-Guldor and went "Boom Baby!" This of course meant he couldn't put on a nice face even in the figurative sense, and as his servants, the Nazgul had already picked some fairly successful fights with Gondor unifying the Orcs and Trolls of Mordor and taking both Minas Anor and the Black Gates, Gondor was already looking to Mordor with unfriendly eyes. Throw in the fact that this was *Sauron*, servant of Morgoth in the days of myth and the big scary villain Gondorian children would have had nightmares about as they heard how he corrupted Numenor and terrorized their ancestors in the war of the Last Alliance, and it stands to reason that diplomacy probably wasn't in the cards on either end. (Addendum): I should also note, whatever his plans, he didn't have the time to corrupt Gondor to any great extant. Remember, Bilbo was 50 when he went on his long journey the same year Sauron was driven from Dol Guldor. The Hobbit was 120 when he had his great party and the ring came to Frodo. If memory serves, about 15 years after that is when the Ring went Doom-ward and the War of said Ring began. Altogether, that's about eighty-five years. That may seem long, but remember Gondor still had men with old Dunadain blood in them, and Sauron's coming would have been well within living memory for some, especially those in Denethor's household. Speaking of Denethor, as the business with his palantir showed...yea, that guy was kind of obsessed with limiting Sauron's influence. If some schmuck said "you know, maybe that Dark Lord in his Dark Tower presiding over a Shadowed Land with armies of creatures that hate us and numberless slaves who farm and mine his land isn't so bad, maybe we should try getting along with him," I can't help but think the steward of Gondor would have had a harsher response than simply putting him on a horse and sending him riding east like what Theoden did with Grima.

@@morgant.dulaman8733 That is not what I am talking about it greatly ignores some of the factors I point out. He became active in the year one thousand of the Third Age. That is two thousand years before the Third Age end. He had plenty of time to gather some agents like the Black Numenoreans to do his bidding. If you are machivellian schemer who wants to work behind the scene gather the most trusted allies to do your bidding who will carry out your will. Inventrate your enemies and conquer them slowly and subtly and indirectly in your methods. Sauron had plenty of those followerers who could have done that for him but the problem is he didn't use his resources to their full extent. He only thought of conquering them by the sword and iron fist and constructing fortresses pretty much announcing himself in the open which isn't that subtle and only creates further exposure and awareness. Which is his biggest mistake. He may have succeeded in destroying Arnor but he didn't fully take advantage of the aftermath. The problem with orcs they do not help in the long run for Sauron's indirect scheming unlike humans who could do the infiltrating and conditioning for him. The Black Numenoreans could of really been more useful in the long run had he done this but alas he didn't. Which is one of the factors why his conquest was ultimately going to fail and was unstable.

Considering that the ents do not know where the entwives are that would suggest no new ents. So as each ent settles down and goes tree ( as ents become more and more like the trees they tend) there won't be new ents to take their place unless they find the entwives before they all go tree (a long time away on human terms but not that long in terms of an ent)

@@canonmontage4956 not so sure about what you're sayed but i think this is a possibility. Interesting response from darth gandalff and he DELETE his post?? Hmmm!!

I think I've read somewhere that there is actually such a thing as 30th February in Middleearth.

@@jonasb104 yep you are correct, in the prologue of the books it states that there are 30 days in each month!

@@jonasb104 I didn’t actually know this lol thanks

@@Barbossa778 Your welcome ;)