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The War of the Ring - The First Battle of the Fords of Isen 

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In this episode, we look at the First Battle of the Fords of Isen, the beginning of Saruman's invasion of Rohan, and the first major battle of 3019 T.A.
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@joshthomas-moore2656
@joshthomas-moore2656 3 года назад
I feel it really does show how powerful Gondor used to be and how far they have fallen at this stage that they can equip elements of another nation yet don't have enough troops to wear that equipment themselves.
@ThePalaeontologist
@ThePalaeontologist 3 года назад
Gondorians in the 17th century Third Age would have looked back on Gondorians in the 12th century Third Age, with a sense of awe and nostalgic envy, viewing them as more glorious and mighty, and lamenting their own then current problems. Gondorians in the 21st century Third Age would have looked back on the Gondorians in the 17th century Third Age, with a sense of lamentation for their own miseries and losses, and wished they could go back (not to the Great Plague, but at least how Gondor was before it, around that time, thinking aside from the constant fighting and the plague, that at least they had it 'better' than they did centuries later) Each generation looked back and each typically would have logically thought better of some past era, through the eyes of a time when that bit much more of Gondorian power had been lost. What would unite all of them however, is a _collective shock outright_ over the *absolute state* of Gondor by the 31st century Third Age. I dare say half the Gondorian paradigms before the War of the Ring era, could not begin to imagine the absolute horror show that had befallen Gondor, and the rump state-like skeleton of it's former glory it had become. Where once vanguards of the Gondorian field armies would comfortably outnumber the garrison of Minas Tirith in the War of the Ring, now Gondor mostly relied on that and a few other much smaller garrisons (such as the paltry garrison left at Osgiliath) to even hold any kind of line against Mordor. They were a tragic shadow of a shadow of a shadow of a shadow of their former glory, and they knew it. But even then, it is debatable if most Gondorians in the War of the Ring, _truly_ fully-understood the magnitude of their own decline. Though relatively long-lived even then, there was only so much they could learn and know in mortal lifespans. It was literally beyond their mortal comprehensions to perceive _exactly_ just how bad it was, and unlike the reader/audience looking at this from the outside in, the in-universe Gondorians haven't as much historical context provided for their own understanding and elucidation. I reckon they knew a big deal of just how bad Gondor's plight was, and were obviously reminded of it daily just by looking at the tragedy within a tragedy that was Osgiliath, but still; Gondor by the War of the Ring, was a crying shame compared to what it had once been. I'm sure King Hyarmendacil I of the 12th century TA, would look upon Gondor as she became by the 31st century TA, with absolute shock and outrage. Their civilisation would have done well to endure so long (in a real-world context, it'd be like a Bronze Age civilisation surviving into the 21st century, built on many layers and versions of itself) Without doubt, Gondor was on her knees in the 31st century Third Age, dying a slow and agonising death in a downward spiral that arguably hadn't stopped for roughly a thousand years, if not longer. There were times of resurgence, moments of revival, glimmers of hope; such as Aragorn (under the alias of 'Lord Thorongil') going to Umbar with the blessing of Steward Ecthelion, to crush the Corsair fleets, with what was then still a respectable Gondorian Navy. Reminders and displays of the power that once was, hints of the greatness they were capable of; but little by little, piece by piece, year on year, the world had changed so much that they couldn't even remember just _how_ powerful they really used to be. They had some idea of it through the Libraries of Minas Tirith and ancient texts of their glorious past, but they had lost so much ground, that a living and breathing connection to many places was simply lost. For instance, most Gondorians never saw Ithilien up close until after the War of the Ring, in the centuries leading up to the War of the Ring, and for obvious reasons. Harondor had been lost, Ithilien was a wild frontier, Minas Morgul defiled the memory of the Minas Ithil she had once been for a thousand plus years. The cultural disaster and heartrending infamy of the desolation of Osgiliath, alone in and of itself, said it all about how bad Gondor's situation was. Additionally, the comparative collapse of the Gondorian fleet as a serious fighting force to be reckoned with, too poorly maintained by a wayward steward up in his literal ivory tower, gazing into the Palantir there and mentally sparring with the Dark Lord himself, made it impossible for Gondor to mitigate the Corsairs at sea as they once had done. Even during Ecthelion's time, Gondor had really only been convinced to do this because of Aragorn and Elrond who was encouraging him to do this, behind the scenes. They were playing the long-game against Sauron's allies, whereas Gondor was more or less just reacting to things on it's borders. Aragorn took the fight to Umbar, slew their pirate lord/Pirate Chief, and destroyed most of the Corsair ships at Umbar, setting them back decades. By the time of the War of the Ring, they are back and ready for round two (technically, round...something in the dozens), but Gondor isn't. Gondor thought it was having a bad time even in the relatively 'barmy' years in the time a thousand years before the War of the Ring. Yes, they lost Minas Ithil, Cirith Ungol and Arnor was gone now, but they were still comparatively insanely stronger than Gondor in the War of the Ring. Each generation thinks it has it bad, then the audience (but not necessarily the in-universe Gondorians) realise they had it better than those whom followed them. A tending towards diminishing, and decline, a tending towards an entropy-like terminal decay, is a recurrent theme in Tolkien. Yet even so, Gondor endured for thousands of years. The bulwark against the shadow, the bastion of the High Men of old. Nevertheless, by casual attrition alone, Gondor would literally be gone in a few years tops if not for the final destruction of Sauron and the One Ring in the War of the Ring. Sauron would just keep flinging Orcs and Men at Gondor until it collapsed. The Mordor garrisons at the Morannon alone would probably be enough to conquer Gondor after the Battle of the Pelennor Fields (and that is even with Rohirrim to back them up; they'd all lose - and it doesn't even take into account all the other armies e.g. the Easterling legions, also out there at Sauron's disposal) They'd just get worn down and steamrollered eventually. Meanwhile my man Hyarmendacil I chilling in the 12th century TA like a God among men, making everyone bow to Gondor in the height of Gondor's glory. Even the Gondorians just a few centuries later were marvelling at the Ship-Kings era and were really just trying to emulate their success and not always having the chance to. Not even most of the Gondorians after the time of Gondor at her height, could really envisage just how great she used to be anymore, by the time of the War of the Ring. The collective, cultural memory, was too fractured and deteriorated, and a few dusty scrolls surviving in Minas Tirith, didn't really tell the whole story. So much of it was just, lost, forever. Gondor by the War of the Ring is ironically, still one of the strongest factions of the free peoples out there - and that in itself shows just how strong Gondor _used_ to be, that even the _tragic joke_ ᵀᴹ... version of itself, was still strong enough to fend off Mordor for quite a while, and Gondorian soldiers were still supposed to be the match of any 10 Orcs in battle. Now imagine the shining shock legions of Gondor at her height of power, the closest the realms in exile ever got to getting some semblance of how great their forebear realm of Númenor had been (not quite, with Númenor in her peak of glory at the end of the Second Age, still being even greater, but still, very impressive all the same) Those really were the days. But times change to some insanely wild extent. Different horses for different courses. Yet Gondor survived, which in itself, frustrated Sauron's wider plans. They often had Rohan to help, but still, nobody can take it away from Gondor that they helped to contain Mordor and absorb an awful lot of it's strategic might. Survival itself is victory. Victory, no matter the cost. 𝕱𝖔𝖗 𝕲𝖔𝖓𝖉𝖔𝖗!
@tspoon772
@tspoon772 3 года назад
I never realised there is so much detail in the Tolkienverse
@ThePalaeontologist
@ThePalaeontologist 3 года назад
Excellent video. There is something of the spirit of the wars of Anglo-Saxon England in the infantry tactics of the Rohirrim in the Battles of the Fords of Isen. It is almost as though you can see Tolkien's knowledge and love of this era in English history, resonating in the Rohirrim themselves. This is no accident of course; the Rohirrim are essentially an idealised version of the Anglo-Saxons, with a lot more emphasis on cavalry. Tolkien always mused on the potential for the Anglo-Saxons to have done better against the Normans; if only they had a bigger emphasis on cavalry tactics, and proper cavalry forces at Hastings 1066. But it is a 'what if' speculation that can go far further than that. Perhaps had Anglo-Saxon Ængland been known for heavy cavalry, then they could have swept the Normans back into the sea at Pevensey Bay beach, before they could secure a beachhead. While the Anglo-Saxons were busy fighting the Vikings in the North, the Normans were waiting for the winds to change to allow them to sail towards Southern England from Normandy. The Anglo-Saxons had been preparing for invasion from Normandy, when the Vikings arrived and had to be dealt with separately. The Anglo-Saxons were valiant at Hastings but it was a lot to ask of them, run ragged, exhausted, having won a great victory against the Vikings, but then having to face the technologically superior and arguably even more dangerous Normans to the South. They fought at Senlac Hill until nightfall, and acquitted themselves with honour; the Royal Huscarls of King Harold Godwinson, defending his corpse until the last man, cut to pieces to a man, surrounded on all sides. The Normans were ruthless and did not reciprocate any semblance of honour; dismembering King Harold's corpse which had been defended so fiercely, and denying the families of the fallen the right to collect their family members from the battlefield, deliberately wanting to terrorise the Anglo-Saxons by having their bodies rot on the battlefield. Under pain of death if caught, people still made their own grim journeys to what must have been an absolutely horrific battlefield, drenched in blood which pooled in places, and with limbs, decapitated heads, entrails and viscera strewn all over the place. The Normans took their dead from the battlefield but denied the Anglo-Saxons the same right, to make a point against the Anglo-Saxons. According to legend, Edith Swanneck, the lover of King Harold, identified _one_ of the several dismembered parts of his body, due to seeing tattoos which were, 'only known to her in the marital bed'. There are varying versions of the story, regarding how exactly Harold fell, yet however he was killed, he was definitely dismembered. His Huscarls refused to retreat and held on, defending his body. The Normans would continue the trend of appalling behaviour for the years to come; going on to massacre an innocent crowd of civilians gathering outside Westminster Abbey, upon the rushed coronation of King William I the Conqueror/Bastard, in London (they were not hostile, though Norman Knights were edgy and panicked that the crowd was a mob coming to attack the coronation, when really, they'd just come to watch out of curiosity - charging into them swords drawn like reckless thugs, cutting people down in the chaos) The Normans would go on to inflict the Harrying of the North on the Anglo-Saxon rebels resisting Norman oppression, in the Northern shires. The death toll was considered catastrophic, even at the time; with the depopulation essentially amounting to the Normans trying to carry out what we'd now see as an attempted genocide of the Anglo-Saxons in the North (potentially hundreds of thousands were murdered, in a matter of a year running into 1067 and beyond) In previous centuries, the North - not the South - was the centre of culture and the height of art, during the pre-unification, Anglo-Saxon Heptarchy (Seven Kingdoms) of Ængland. For instance, during the height of the Northumbrian Kingdom, in the 7th-8th century AD, they were considered the leading power and heart of Anglo-Saxon culture. During Medieval times, the North was a more sparsely populated place, largely thanks to the impact of the Norman Conquest. It took literally centuries to recover in truth, playing catch up with the South. Being overrun by the Vikings more than once, then by the Normans, and then with the imbalance of power firmly solidified by the Normans in the South, the North was essentially administered by the Normans in a colonial manner; with them building their ubiquitous Motte and Bailey castles all over the country, including in the North. Outposts and hubs of Norman rule, akin to how the Romans would raise forts to divide and conquer too. Indeed, the Normans even built forts on top of the older bones of old Roman forts, as they did at Rochester and Dover both. The Normans would operate the same way in Ireland, when they went there, leaving a contentious legacy which long outlived Norman culture itself, and numerous castles in Ireland. There had existed a paradigm, all of it's own, and the Normans replaced it with theirs. 10,000 Normans lorded it over 2 million leaderless Anglo-Saxons, with practically 99 percent of their entire noble classes wiped out at Hastings. Regime change was swift, sudden and devastating. The Normans gave/stole the land to their own baronial lords, and the nobles among their Breton allies. What scarce few older Anglo-Saxon landowners survived Hastings, were soon kicked off their own land in aggressive legislation enforced by the Domesday Book. Essentially, an itinerary list of all the farms, homesteads, villages, towns and ports in the land (sometimes as specific as recording how many animals they owned, to surprisingly exacting detail) A world which Tolkien knew and loved, and knew for it's strengths, flaws and unique characteristics, had gone. Tolkien was keenly aware of this world having essentially come to an end, and was openly bitter about how it had unfolded in those times, convinced that the Anglo-Saxons could have defeated the Normans (I agree) given slightly different circumstances. History changed forever. The tragedy echoing through the Anglo-Saxon poem of 'The Wanderer', resonates in Tolkien's writing ('Where is the Horse and the Rider' etc) The sense of a civilisation that is old, fading and of people later on, not realising what had come before. A world changing, inexorably. There is often a sense of great sadness and grim purpose, in the free peoples of the Late Third Age; and indeed, far from just the Rohirrim. Pretty much everyone is suffering, in a world increasingly falling back into the hands of evil. The civilisations are declining across the map and as time passes, much that once was, had now been lost; for none now lived whom remembered it. There is always the reminder in Tolkien, that once things are gone, they are so often are far good. How can you go back? How can you pick up the threads of an old life, after such loss and grief, individually? Let alone, collectively, on a civilisation-wide level. There are tragedies within tragedies on a massive scale across the map. And all they can do, is step forward and endure, even if the power of evil grew greater by the day, which it did. This sense of hope in the face of unimaginable change, the attrition of time, the nostalgia of the ages, was deliberately - and masterfully - interwoven into all of Tolkien's writing, like a golden thread of remembrance and respect for the past now lost forever. It's the heart and soul of the Tolkien Legendarium; a sense of majesty beyond measure and moralistic nostalgia beyond the count of grief. Entire civilisations have come and gone, and mistakes have been repeated more times than most realise. The Rohirrim are far from the oldest culture on the map, even among Mankind. Though they are indeed, a microcosm of the duality of intense nostalgia and subtle romance in the writing of Tolkien. He understood history and language, people and culture, in a gifted and insightful way, better than most. Of course, he was writing within the inevitable frameworks of his day, and hardly flawless; yet these quibbles are utterly irrelevant in the face of the visionary brilliance of the overall masterpiece he created; his universe out of time, his legendarium. The Rohirrim are deliberately intended and designed to behave and even speak like the Anglo-Saxons, though with tangential differences. The Rohirrim going to Minas Tirith, is _really_ Tolkien's take on the idealised 'Super Anglo-Saxons' on horseback, going to save the idealised Eastern Roman Imperials/'Byzantines'. The Battles of the Fords of Isen are so reminiscent of how armies manoeuvred and skirmished in the time of Anglo-Saxon England, though of course, with notable twists and differences. They aren't exactly the same, but a notable similarity is the use of the shield-walls. Saruman was smart enough to know he wasn't powerful enough militarily to be too wasteful, but that it was worth _appearing_ to be defeated at the First Battle of the Fords of Isen, to ensure the death of Prince Theodred. As you correctly point out, strategically, Isengard was in an interesting situation of being militarily superior on paper, though not by as big of a margin to be comfortable with taking Rohan lightly. Indeed, the fact Saruman had to resort to what he did to King Theoden, in such a sly and underhanded way via Wormtongue, is indicative of how dangerous the Rohirrim were to his plans, in spite of all his talk of them being 'peasants' as though they were no challenge. He obviously knew that, especially early on, Rohan would be too dangerous to fight openly, so needed to subvert and weaken them, to maximise Isengard's own chances. Makes sense.
@DarthGandalfYT
@DarthGandalfYT 3 года назад
Thank you for this. I really enjoyed it. I think I absolutely learn more from you than you learn from me.
@ThePalaeontologist
@ThePalaeontologist 3 года назад
@@DarthGandalfYT Thank you but no worries, you do great videos.
@michelmorio8026
@michelmorio8026 3 года назад
Theodred should have visited a lecture of Caesar how to properly fortify and dug in to withstand superior numbers 😂
@andreasderycke42
@andreasderycke42 Год назад
Caesar came after him, like 6000 years later
@mrnord4096
@mrnord4096 3 года назад
Great Video well explained not only with facts but also Interpretation that makes sense
@reecepip4857
@reecepip4857 3 года назад
Nailed this video dude, this battle is always glossed over in the films so to see it has such detail is amazing! :)
@toddfeather5760
@toddfeather5760 3 года назад
I love all Tolkien work and carry on with awesome videos can’t wait to hear next part already
@Bigreginald0323
@Bigreginald0323 3 года назад
Man this was good. Could be wrong/strictly opinion but I always felt this was one of Tolkien’s best written battles from a tactical stand point. Wish it got some screen time!
@Edward-nf4nc
@Edward-nf4nc 2 месяца назад
This is why Isengard was built. To guard the other crossing of the river. It meant that Gondor, and later Rohan, could not be attacked from both sides of the river if it was attacked from the west by land.
@sageofcaledor8188
@sageofcaledor8188 2 года назад
Great video! Glad you are covering your favorite battle! You did a good job!
@DarthGandalfYT
@DarthGandalfYT 3 года назад
Quick correction - Theodred says, "Let me lie here", not, "Let me die here". In other news, I have a Twitch - www.twitch.tv/darthgandalftv - If you're bored, looking for a laugh or want to make yourself more depressed, feel free to stop by and join the fun. I'll be streaming stuff like Divide and Conquer, Battle for Middle-earth, Lord of the Rings Online - we can talk Tolkien, the weather, the geopolitical situation in South Sudan etc. I'll be starting up sometime over the next few days (in case you haven't noticed I'm awful with schedules). If I get to 100 followers, I'll buy a webcam and start doing hot tub streams as an added bonus. Cheers.
@LexIconLS
@LexIconLS 2 месяца назад
It's always going to be hilarious to me that anyone ever trusted someone with the sobriquet "Wormtounge". "Meet my most trusted advisor, Sliptounge the Liar."
@crusaderman8476
@crusaderman8476 3 года назад
Damn, I love this.
@witchking1558
@witchking1558 3 года назад
A new video! Nice!
@jonystyles9473
@jonystyles9473 3 года назад
love it man, cheers!
@paolomesterom6899
@paolomesterom6899 3 года назад
You should do some videos on divide and conquer, its a mod for medieval 2 you defenitly now it
@m.ravich1109
@m.ravich1109 3 года назад
Agreed. You also should check Izzy's channel as he had covered most of the faction in the game. Even not cannon ones like Ar-Adunain (Numenorians that after the "fall" survived and did not start fighting for Sauron, but are his rivals to bring glory to Melkor, they are also at war with Gondor as they do call them usurpers ). But he also played as mainstream factions - Gondor, Dale, Erebor, Rohan, Mordor, Isengard, Rhun, Harad. Great content 😊
@shanenolan8252
@shanenolan8252 3 года назад
Cheers
@jessesturgeon5327
@jessesturgeon5327 2 года назад
I don't understand this battle. After his attack on Isengard fails, why defend the Fords if the river can be crossed near Isengard? Theodred should have fallen back towards Helm's Deep or Edoras while waiting for Eomer.
@DarthGandalfYT
@DarthGandalfYT 2 года назад
I don't think Theodred knew Isengard's full strength, and I don't think he wanted to abandon the Westfold without a fight.
@shanenolan8252
@shanenolan8252 3 года назад
Two parts good choice
@jamesonbetts1832
@jamesonbetts1832 3 года назад
I wish you a good morning!
@tylerfletcher1982
@tylerfletcher1982 2 года назад
Why is it your favorite battle?
@DarthGandalfYT
@DarthGandalfYT 2 года назад
I think it's purely because of the attention to detail it receives.
@alphasierrazulu
@alphasierrazulu 3 года назад
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