The wargamers who won a real war 

Ian Macfarlane is about the story telling not the summary.

That still holds true today.

For those who had zero first hand experience with how to deal with teenage girls: You know *nothing* Jon Snow!

Nothing is as sneaky as a teenaged girl.

Almighty: Behave yourself!

A quality required to be a great leader.

just wrote basically the same comment, feeling smart about myself. then i saw yours, a year earlier and better written ^^

@@leonardreder9412 I was writing the same. Great minds think

They later had that rating quietly killed.

RE: Japanese admiralty re:battle of midway preparations. A junior officer predicted a north eastern attack from the US fleet that defeated the Japanese fleet, but the admirals insisted only SOUTH eastern, since they couldn't conceive being surprised by a NE approach (which would only work as a surprise attack, with the SE approach being best for an anticipated attack).

“Holy shit, we actually took France that fast?”

@@declanedmison5442 France actually got experienced at being Germany's punching bag.

@@declanedmison5442 "The same France that held on for so long in the last war?!?"

@@realMaverickBuckley The French fail to agree on anything. Consider this: Hitler could have been French.

@@sigma5088 Well in our Timeline he *wasnt* of French Descent from what we know

It depend of the video game, if its wargame red dragon or Command modern operarions i believe you, if its call of duty, i don t

@@auxencefromont1989 I play PlanetSide, does that count?

@@michaeledmunds7266 it depends, i would say that if you lead a squad, it count.

@@auxencefromont1989 lol wargame red dragon? C:MO yes but RD no

Arma?

Or get consumed by chaos. 😜😜

Maddog 204 I play Iron Warriors, Kreigsmen, and you can probably guess my main.

Yas thank bro 4 protec

I love how warhammer encompasses everything that exists. :)

@@archimedesd5794no, me is super badass, become Astarte no problem.

100%. just look at Henry Kaiser who had never built a ship before WWII: the existing shipbuilding experts said that they could only produce about half a dozen cruisers per year max and Kaiser managed to build hundreds or more per year where they thought only a handful was possible using ideas they couldn’t even imagine.

There's a saying about generals always fighting the previous war. I reckon that's the box.

@@jonaskoelker The box is much bigger than that. Most military organizations are conservative in the true sense of that word. Just look at the Regimental standard of any British regiment. You'll see battle honors going back hundreds of years in some cases. They honor and revere their ("glorious, victorious!') history since the lessons learned come at a very high cost. Add to that the fact that most of these organizations are the very definition of "top down". Military discipline tends to value obedience and punish or ignore at best innovation. Most hew closely to institutional memory and reward close alignment with orthodoxy...UNTIL they get an order like "Set Europe ablaze" and then that same institutional memory can yield examples where orthodoxy failed - "Boer Kommandos" or if you go even further back "Maroons of Jamaica", as well as the mavericks (T.E. Lawrence, Orde Wingate, David Stirling or Robert Laycock) that can innovate.

@@The_ZeroLine Excellent example!

Luckily the Germans didn't have Tanya Degurechaff in WWI.

Yes, this was clear to me before I discovered the existence of W.A.T.U.

Or is anime inspired by ww2?

My name is Jean Laidlaw-chan and I'm late for my first day of defeating the Germans!

@@pinkbunny6272 Yeah. Its called "Two Nukes, One Japan".

Too bad Admiral King couldn't put his fucking ego in the closet: those tonnage numbers after the US joined might have been a bit smaller.

jeric_ synergy well WATU didn’t exist before the war and operation Raspberry wasn’t invented until 1942 and the Americans needed to move a lot of stuff more than all of the other allies combined up until that point not only did they need to transport their own stuff but stuff for the British and the Free armies and even Russia so no you’re wrong you can’t swallow your pride and implement a tactic that doesn’t even exist

Robert Bennett Nobody was asking King to implement a tactic that didn’t exist. They asking him to do _simple, basic things._

King got a lot of men killed due to his ego. May he rot in hell.

@@jeric_synergy8581 A brilliant incompetent

@WhomItMayConcern *Confusion*

@WhomItMayConcern ????

With the crucial twist being that Ender and the squad of fellow kids Ender was leading in a war game turned out to literally be remotely piloting real human ships; guiding them to eventually obliterate the Bug homeworld and living queen.

@@o0hbomb0o Imagine if they decided to do a little trolling since they thought it was just a fake simulation.

@@darren561 Oh man! Your comment reminds me of playing StarCraft online multiplayer with my friends in highschool. I was quite aweful while some of my friends were exceptional players. I got trolled all the time when we played together. If the units we controlled in those games were real, my friends would have been guilty of numerous war crimes. I'm also sure that mutiny and defection would have been rife among my ranks of soldiers.

The Mighty Jingles WTF FOUND DOUG DEMURO OH JANGLE

OMG JINGLES!!! i cant believe i saw you here. Have been subbed to you since you were less than 100k

The Mighty Jingles , excellent book, also Churchill’s secret weapons by Patrick Delaforce is good where they the toy box helped with the funnies, the AVRE was a marvel. Also think it is on Audible, at lot of Delaforce books are.

Sigh back to the salt mines you it is.

I was going to suggest the same book.

I agree with you completely. People forget that for all of his supposed Royalty, Prince Philip (Single L) is very down to earth and it isn't unknown for him to grant such an interview, especially since he could well be the last survivor.

@@diogenesesenna9323 That extra L was auto correct I suspect. The risks of using one's phone.

Unfortunately, I'm sure that's not going to happen now...

@@frykasj time to pull out the ouija board

Welll, at least one hoped

Yesn't

So is Reddit/HFY

Yep. If it ever turns out aliens all like to have big dumb land war slugging matches on planets, we're ready for 'em.

I thought about W.A.T.U. when I heard the news

Not only that, the red circle has been known to be the red circle of misfortune when it comes to videos.

I agree. He's retired now and might enjoy talking about this. I'd edit out the Phil the Greek bit tho

@@gahane who is he?

@@masterson0713 Who is who? Phil the Greek?

@@gahane yeah and the other guy

@@masterson0713 Prince Philip and Phil the Greek are one and the same. To give him a better title, Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, Consort to Her Royal Highness Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Basically, he's the husband of the English Queen. He's known also by his nickname Phil the Greek as he was born in Greece to the Greek royal family.

Isn't that called "cavitation"? Sort of the same effect a pistol shrimp uses? Just for clarification. My thought trains run on odd rails.

@@xerothedarkstar Yes but also no. Cavitation, technically is when a cavity becomes created in a liquid (usually water) containing nothing but water vapour, usually by movement in the water exceeding its ability to flow (sort of). This can be very much compared to the act of boiling water by reducing air pressure around it as the thermodynamic principles are very much similar... An underwater explosion actually is a concentration of gas expanding and displacing the water, so it is not actually cavitation (Not completely at least. There may be some cavitation forces involved as the gas contracts). However, the effects of cavitation are incredibly similar to this effect as once the inertia / energy of the explosion gives out it collapses. The main difference is in a cavitation bubble collapse there is a micro jet of water formed if it is against a surface (look up cavitation wear for boat / ship propellers theres cool diagrams on that) which I *Think* cannot fully form in a pressure bubble collapse. There is also the fact that in a cavitation bubble there is no gas left behind, of course,

I think the explanation in the video is more likely. In your explanation, during "daylight" the players would have perfect intelligence, including the positions of the U-boats. Perhaps there were two flaps: one colored as in the video, and one black, to simulate night.

@@michaelsommers2356 I am quoting Andrew Williams, who is quoting Lt. Comm. John Guest, who actually ran the game in 1943. It's not "my explanation," it's the explanation of the actual participants.

@@booradley1138 It still seems unlikely that the players were given perfect intelligence during simulated daylight. No matter who said it. It's your explanation in the sense that it is the explanation you presented, as distinguished by the explanation in the video.

@@michaelsommers2356 The players were explicitly not given perfect information during daylight. The explanation I presented never claimed that players had perfect information during daylight. The explanation I presented was strictly limited to the purpose of the flap.

@@booradley1138 If the flap was only used to simulate night, then when gaming a daylight scenario the flap would not be used, and the players could see everything.

Given how hard he fought for a position of value and meaning within his role, he might be up for it. Then again, given his current health, maybe not. The worst thing that could happen is the question is asked and the answer is no.

Well unfortunately he might find himself up in the Tower of London on the rack being turned into a center for the LA Lakers🙄☺️

@Marry Christmas you never know old people like to talk about their younger years. Plus what else is he doing with his time, knitting?

Fun fact: I used to work in the PSO answering HM’s mail! Good times

Dave Scurlock do they actually pass any on to the queen? Or does she not see any of it

Well I mean in the book they literally take one of the smartest kids to ever exist and put him through years of brutal training. So yes, I say it could happen. As for the soviet union 2.0 the book describes its a bit less realistic

No

Exactly what I thought! Great book from my memory

Movie was shit

@@marsfreelander5969 ender game series except for the end it gets a bit strange

Wait. Harpoon was tabletop before it was a compuitergame?

I need no channel youtube -- Yes, Harpoon was originally a tabletop game created by Larry Bond back in the 80s. I first picked up the GDW version, as a kid, back in the '80s. Later got a couple Clash Of Arms versions in the 90s. I don't think they're currently in print nowadays, but I still have a CoA version.

+NefariousKoel You learn something new every day. I do doubt the tabletop approaches the complexity of the program though. They do train real military personelle with it afterall.

+SwissArmy1984 Command is overpriced and poorly optimized, and its simulation is shallow. Harpoon is better.

Nobody Important Well he has enjoyed stoking the flames of controversy over the years, saying things to the media which should not have been said. I wonder where he learnt that from?

Mountbatten?!

Phillip earned his spurs and medals, unlike his waste of space son Charles!

As the saying goes "once a stoker always a stoker". From an ex RAN stoker

such that blood drinker off

And when they came home on leave after a voyage as most of them did not wear an official uniform. They were in line for abuse and scorn from uniformed personnel and civilians who were ignorant of the risks these brave men undertook to keep vital war supply lines open.

I think that's the point.

That is the pointy end of it.

Only in theory. Not saying it's not a good thing to wargame, our military is constantly wargaming, we even game out wars with (currently) friendly nations, but reality doesn't really always cooperate with your wargaming simulations.

But wouldn't that just mean that the other side has better strategists?

The major idea is to be able to see what the issues for the various strategic options are for a given political situations. The major weaknesses of wargaming is the imagination of the gamers and the quality of the information used to develop the scenarios.

But some did not think of it as helping/participating.

Kharn The Betrayer maybe it was the relief that she wasnt about to face war

Kharn: Well, wargaming had earned little - if any - succes at that time, and the prospect of spending the war playing with toy ships would have been dreadful to a young woman who just wanted to do her best to join the war efford. Imagine comming home to the boarding house and have souper. The girl next to you has been manufactoring bombs or airplanes, growing crops, cutting down trees, plowing, stitching up wounded bomb raid survivors, and you sit their in your pristine and neatly ironed uniform, and has to explain that you have been busy playing with tiny ships on a concrete floor. Not much fun when you literally just left school.

Thomas Raahauge WATU was highly confidential during the war I believe, so you couldn't even explain that much.

TheEmperor: Well, that is true. And said young woman would probably not have any problems with keeping her work a secret, but for the purpose of the conversation (sitting in her school uniform, surrounded by men in uniforms), the thought of her war efford being toy ship handling could - at least at first glance - be less than joyfull.

Andrew Backfisch if only :/

That sound heretical to me. Unless you have the appropriate Commissars or Overseers in place to "protect" the psykers.

Andrew Backfisch what do you think the side effects of drinking tea are ! Read any book on British military operations in WWII and you will spot a theme . Things got better after a mug of tea.

Christopher Bertoli I think exterminatus is friendlier to the planet than your idea.

Yeah,thought the same thing.

Quite: the Bletchley Park people were originally selected because they could do cryptic crosswords.

I was thinking a TV series - utterly fascinating story

The BBC would do it, since it's all about WAMMEN!, except they'd racelift half the cast into Pakistani Muslims wearing a WREN uniform that anachronistically includes a veil.

@@cygil1 It's all getting a bit Daily Mail in here

@Marry Christmas When the admiral was 'spanked', make it the term of a wager.

I'm a big fan of this channel, but I think this might be the best thing Lloyd has done. Let's wait for the Duke of Edinburgh to confirm....

The old fellow might enjoy discussing this subject instead of silly tabloid fodder.

@@obfuscated3090 who is he

Biggest twitch channel never to exist

The Real Killer B 😂

Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week - and don't forget to tip your waitress!

High level history memes.

Upvoted for finding a way to incorporate my favorite ship into a joke about my favorite thing in the world...statistics...If i wasn't such a well mannered fellow I may have weed in my knickers, that's how delighted I am!

A Graph Spree on the Graff Spee ?

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Or a tiger.

@@CraftQueenJr they had tigers tho

It's also a good thing that they lacked both the Spanish Inquisition and.....the comfy chair!

But The UK had the Ministry of Silly Walks to counter the Goose Step

Yes, those on the British ship might have thought that, but it takes nerve to act on it.

Dönitz was ironically more honorable then the Allies.

Donitz only enacted his Total War Order after several U-BOATS involved in a rescue operation were attacked by US forces despite the presence of numerous survivors on their desks.

Not all U Boat captains had a code of honour (or a nice code like people would like to believe), some were fanatical nazis who had no care. All U Boat crews knew live sailors could report on what happened so there were even in the early days reports of U Boats killing survivors of sunk ships (no survivor no proof it was a submarine) - likewise even after the order to not take prisoners - some captains still did rescue crew from sunken ships.

@@chaz8758 there is this guy who wrote a book on the 1421 exploratory chinese fleet who writes in his book that his former commanding officer actually got surprised by a sub but they were allowed to man and supply their lifeboats before the ship was torpedoed

retired boat here. Hi

This was even part of negotiations recently with the US halting the annual joint SK war games. They are important enough to be used as political leverage if that tells you anything.

At what level of rank do soldiers start participating in running war games?

@@JoshuaRellick probably all commissioned officers have at least some war gaming experience.

Healer dies first, then crowd control.

For the last 6 years or so, the number of times I watched TV, was extremely low. I can say literally I don't watch TV anymore.

1800's france steamrolls the whole of europe for a decade

and the franco prussian war lasted for a whole year but it did fo a it pfehh for the french

This brings us far back 1814 after a few successes in the six days campaign Paris goes pfehh in a couple of weeks 1815 after Waterloo Paris goes pfehh in a couple of weeks 1870 Is 2 months for the second empire, with the republic and the siege of Paris 6 months total

@ Admast - The BEF deserve NO CREDIT WHATSOEVER for saving Paris in 1914. Indeed, the actions of the BEF during the Battle of the Marne were dilatory and, frankly, reprehensible. What ACTUALLY happened was that the French stripped men from the south and transferred them (being on home soil and being able to use railways was a huge advantage the Germans didn't enjoy) to the NW of the German First Army. This army hastily re-positioned itself to face the new French Sixth Army - going from a front line roughly E-W to a front line roughly N-S in a couple of days. They were able to do this pretty much unmolested, because the troops they were facing - the BEF - was still busily retreating. Meanwhile, a few miles East, the German Second, Third and Fourth Armies were heavily engaged against the French Fifth, Ninth and Fourth Armies. The re-positioning if the German First Army opened up a gap between them and the German Second Army, which the BEF was ideally positioned to exploit. And the BEF did BUGGER ALL. The French did everything but beg them to attack - or even to simply advance into empty territory - but their response was lamentable. First they wasted time sitting doing nothing, then they advanced at a speed that would've shamed a snail. The upshot is that the Germans - realising that the gap between two of their armies meant that their position was untenable, and recognising that Paris wasn't about to fall - fell back (entirely unmolested by the BEF) to better positions that formed the basis for four years of trench warfare. Say what you like about the French in 1870 and 1940, but in 1914 they saved Paris despite their allies, not because of them.

I think the BEF acted in 14 like in 40: they fought a little then retreated a lot and in the end started fighting more. For the French, each time (70, 14, 40) the border was crossed Paris was very accessible. So the result in 40 should not be a big surprise

uderzo1984 It was a team of people, men and women. Besides, if they made it into a film they'd have to shoehorn in a love story and an American somewhere.

JohnyG29 have you not seen 'Winston Churchill: Hollywood year's?

Ive been in touch with an actor/producer to that effect

JohnyG29 Yeah... if we could keep it out of the hands of SJWs it would be amazing

Or a mini-series on HBO or Netflix ect. Switching from the Wargames unit to scenes out on Escorts and Convoys.

I'm somewhat surprised Phillip hasn't had the BBC demonetised yet!

You can't just beep his words out, that would be disrespectful. But perhaps you could use some cathedral bells or royal trumpets

I'm a bit of a lefty, but I like Prince Philip. The Duke of Edinburgh award scheme is really great, he speaks his mind, he's worked hard. He fought the Nazis. I can't speak for him, but I think he'd enjoy this video. I did.

Old boy, I'm not even British (nor Greek or Danish) and I like Prince Phillip a lot. I'd take him home, if he'd be so inclined to come. I couldn't stop laughing for hours after his "Do you know they're now producing eating dogs for the anorexics?" comment to a blind lady with a "looking dog".

Yes, I keep coming back here. I've even been tricked into watching lindy hop content a few times. Strange.

Er... well, if you ignore the constant trickle of corrections in the screen captions... Thanks!

Bryce you're saying it as if it was news 😏

Neil Wilson Yes, what's with this strange brain washing... I haven't taken a decent dance step in my entire life, nor have I had any interest to learn, yet I have this oddly comprehensive knowledge of Lindy Hop...

Lindy is good, but his videos are biased, somewhat simplified and sometimes factually incorrect.

Fully agree - I read it when I was 12 years old and it is still one of the most favorite books for me. And it is very correct about the description of the cold in the book. It was not that striking for me due to the fact that I lived in Murmanks that time, so kind of usual. But one thing the book really changed in my life - hot chocolate (Kakao) became my favorite drink in cold and dark polar nights.

Good on you mate. Thank you. There are other items like this of obscure history that are hardly covered in detail. Someone commented a sarcastic thing before thinking this was more so about the fact she was a woman. I am more so into this in the same way I enjoyed History of Rescue Flotilla 1 and the US Coast Guard at D-Day as presented by "The History Guy", another channel a lot like this. I wish Joe Plummer didn't remove his comment. in any case, thank you.

Google is your friend. I'll post the links I found with some other comments I'm going to make. .

Ah excellent. Thank you.

No problem. Links and other comments posted now in another thread.

Why would you say that

You too?

I like rubbing myself with RDX and pretending I'm an exploding ammo rack. Let's get together.

I like eating a shit load of Thanksgiving dinner and pretending I'm a Maus.

That's cosplay not wargaming.

Isn't the poop-deck in the aft section ? So it would be firing out its poop-tube. "LOOSE"