The Warhammer Update Scandal Got WORSE 

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Until GW a) goes under B) sells the IP in total to a known company who loves the game or C) starts allowing all old minis to be used My wallet stays closed. Simple as.

It’s so insulting that after buying the rule book and codex’s they are now completely useless.

My theory is the 40k rules writers think they have to remain relevant to the higher up's. They come into work and immediately change some rules "Look Boss, We made some changes to the changes" They remind me of the coke head at the party that suggests going kayaking at 4 in the morning.

Come one, the whole 10th has been a disaster, we don't need a patch for that. Deleting tons of units and the whole forge world army ranges, taking away player agency i how they want to build their army by fixing squad sizes and making those idiotic locked weapons on many squads, where you are not even allowed to pick your gear, taking away the complexity and joy of tinkering on your roster with by removing sub-faction. The whole 10th has been a cesspool since the very begining. To be fair, global rulebook rules seem fine because they make playing itself a bit faster and things like how terrain works is not more clear, but a lot of index/codex rules are badly worded and people ask how things work on reddit and discords all the time. Also everyone gets lethal wound and sustained hits as their go to buffs. All armies seems VERY similar to each other these days and it sucked all the atmosphere and soul out of the game. I remember good old times of 5th edition, where atmosphere was so heavy, you would make rolls for your Chaos Lord heroic deeds to see which one out of like 60 chaos mutations he would gain as a boon. There is nothing like that these days. 9th was very fun for me, 8th I liked, but 10th is the edition I'm skipping. Tried a few games and it's not enjoyable anymore.

Even new editions are referred to as "a tax to keep playing with the stuff you already have." I do not understand the people who buy from this company regularly. I gave up on them long ago, and I'm wealthier in coin and in life because I moved on.

I don't like that the three year release window. I don't want to buy $400.00 worth of books every 3 years. How about every 10 years? With Minor updates and new objective games or something like Killzone for smaller variant games updated using the current models within that 10 year period for the larger game. I don't mind buying new models, I don't want soon to be useless rule books.

I have a Warhammer store less than half a mile from my home. I was so excited. I bought the newest rules. I bought a Combat patrol box. I bought a Codex. 6 months later we were given for free the 10th edition. Shocked face!!! (I tried to get into GW back around 3rd Edition and said never again). To hear that they have created a 10.5...not shocked. When I went to talk to my "friendly" local gamestore owner...I found out he he isn't so friendly. I spent over 300 USD in one fell swoop. I hadn't even painted my minis! Frankly I don't even like the rules that much I just wanted to find a wargaming group. I refuse to participate in the corporate greed that is modern GW (same as the old GW) or D&D.

Amazing how you find a scandal every two weeks without fail… 😂

GW's WH40K lost me a while ago. 9th edition was plagued by Codex bloat and inbalance, 10th edition is plagued by... 10th edition. Rules are plagued, starter kits are plagued, battleforces are plagued, business model is plagued. There's so much plague around I'll call it Nurgle edition from now on.

No wonder One Page Rules is taking off ... OPR legitimately brought me back into wargaming, not 40k.

It's a blend of "Season" and "Building faulty products to ensure they need to buy new stuff."

At this point I'm having to ask, which scandal in particular?

I honestly never understood this tactic GW has of gatekeeping it's own customers and fans. With raising prices and FOMO model I stopped years ago playing, painting and buying minis. Then came the FOMO on the books and codexes and I refuse to pay scalpers. So honestly now I just pirate the audio books and enjoy what I can. Don't get me wrong I make pretty decent money but I can't be a PC gamer, MTG player, Warhammer 40k player and support my family at the same time. Maybe it's time to sell my daughter.

I am glad I stopped using their stuff, but I miss the art and stories. I used to get almost every codex and rulebook I could because of the lore and art. Then the price went up, we got less, and finding the rare time I could play the rules had already become outdated. Just no point in continuing.

omg the pirate ad 🤣🤣

I don't have time to look at the cards, I still have to read 33 pages of Core Rules Updates and Rules Commentary, in a language that is not my native language.

The vast majority of 40k games i have played have been battles to the death, or self-made narrative games. GW is caught in the pushing the content forward for the minority of players who can afford to buy and pay for someone to paint for them the latest meta armies or units. It's like MMO games where most of the players are just playing it at a comfortable pace for them, while the few hardcore players have finished the latest game update in a day and then asking for more.

GW Corporate Poobah: "How many times can we get the customers to re-buy." GW Grot: "Yes." GW Corporate Poobah: "Issue a new version... and raise prices. Where are we on GW as a subscription (GWaaS)?"

It’s sad, as a long time player, we went from rare codex updates (ie 3rd ed dark eldar) and a slower edition change where all they needed to do were rules FAQs and a better job keeping codexs updated (which wasn’t great but you at least had time to “get good” with the army/models you had) to this nonsense FOMO/Meta chase, dumbed down rules, huge power creep/codex disparity and blink before you miss it edition changes. I love the IP (mainly before the return of Gulliman), the stories and lore but I just can’t help but feel that with each year the soul of the game fades more and more. It’s maybe a little sad but my favourite memories of the game come from friendly beerhammer games where the impossible happened, like the tau firewarriors (from when they first came out) beating a blood thirster to death in CC after it changed them and wiffed all its attacks or the time where my imperial guard sergeant passed his bionics rolls for 3 straight turns to get back up and keep fighting a unit of space marine bikers, eventually killing them all but the attached Chaplin. These tales and more were passed around my gaming group for years, but I rarely if ever hear these types stories anymore from the 40k players (many are younger,newer players with the veterans moving on). I can’t help but think that the state of the game has taken some of the fun away from them and we are all worse for it. Sorry for the old man rant 😅

Good to see Games Workshop making it even harder for newbies to enter 40K. I remember when I took the plunge and ordered online an Imperial Guard army (forking out a good $300AUD) to start my new hobby journey. I had spent a few weeks researching which faction I wanted the rules etc. They never arrived. What arrived was an email from the independent online store advising GW had just established a trade embargo preventing online stores from online selling GW products to folk in another country. My reaction - "Screw you GW - I will play something else!" Some years later Star Wars Legion drops and in I dove. And what a bonus - a game operating from an online living document rulebook -who would have thunk it in the internet age! So great work GW - their motto should be "GW - driving players into buying competitor's minis since the 1980's"

Whilst I do get deeply saddened when my Core Rulebook is immediately invalidated by the first rules pack that drops, the cards don't particularly bother me. The same thing happened in Age of Sigmar with the General's Handbook releases, and usually, I'd played so many games with each one that discovering a new focus (monsters to troops to wizards etc) meant I got to play my army in new ways. A lot of my friends have played hundreds of games of Leviathan, and they're similarly looking forward to a fresh take to change up army composition. For players who play a bit less (me included), enough of the cards are the same that realistically the learning curve is minimal. Additionally, if you're someone who mainly plays with the same person or same group of people, only half of you actually need to buy the deck. A good way to provide yourself a truly balanced experience, particularly when there are a few decks out, is to roll a D6 or a D3 when you turn up to your game. On a 1-3 you're playing Leviathan, and 4-6 you're playing Pariah Nexus, or 1 Leviathan, 2 Pariah Nexus, and 3 whatever the next iteration is. I'll certainly be doing that for casual games - you really do have to build a balanced army for all eventualities that way!

You are the only journalist that actually criticises GW this harshly, and I think that others should follow your lead rather than just shrug and accept the changes, even though we have been considerably worse off since 10th started. I actually think GW are looking to move to a subscription model for the game. You get all the rules, including a certain number of codices for different tiers, with the highest unlocking them all. Once all the books are out for 10th, they'll rapidly switch to 11th, keep the books, but adjust the rules to justify the new edition. This sort of rapid updating of the rules isn't just a by-product of them rushing out 10th early (which they did), but is actually closer to a model they would like to try. Why do I suspect this? Well, one thing that subscription services do so much better than the old method is hook in new players with obscene deals. That new Combat Patrol magazine with Hachette is basically doing that, but for minis. Well, guess what, if you commit to a year or two year subscription to a faction, get the codex, and then get the models with it, you can play for that length of time! Updates free! Except that you've just committed to something that costs more than a high-end smartphone every month. The models are yours to keep! And the price comes down significantly if you only want the codex subscription afterwards! And this ties in nicely with all of the cross media promotions they've been doing. WH40K in other games, loads of merch with other companies, and even that Amazon show. That isn't for us. That's for the normies that never played the game or had any interest in the brand. But 9th was waaaaay too complicated, so 10th became dumbed down. Why do you think we use Power Level 2.0? We never wanted it. We knew it would make the rules too hard to balance. It's why no other system does it. And that's why the books have been so poor, trying to make rules fit strict points values when they had freedom and flexibility before. That means either wide points adjustments, or rewriting the entire codex again (Ad Mech, anyone?). So what next? How to combat this? How do we make it clear that we hate this, and don't want to engage with such abysmal practices? Simple. Play something else. But other minis. Make our own 40K rules based on the best aspects of each era and edition. I'm standing up to them, and you should too!

Between GW, Catalyst and WotC; I'm just going to play with my old edition material that I already own. Any minis I can 3D print at this point for a fraction of the price. Good bye ideologues and corporatists, I don't need you and refuse you access to my wallet.

This is why I'm teaching Learn-to-Play Kill Team at conventions. Few models to buy, fewer rules. And you can play with virtual cards on your phone and poker chips for order counters.

Worse part is the recent balance changes were made in relation to the new mission deck further cementing the need to keep up and buy in if you want to play a fair and balanced game.

I just wrote my own rules

It might be my old brain but didn't they name a kill team expansion pariah nexus like 3 or 4 years ago? Lazy, confusing naming conventions if that's the case.....

All the Ya-Harr I can muster, you say? Nice.

This is why I'm going with OPR when I get started on tabletop soon

Another shameless GW money grab.

a new mission deck once a year or so to fix/update/add missions/deployments/rules is a pretty good thing in my eyes it keeps the game fresh.

how is the mission deck required for "default" play? It's only "required" for competitive/tournament play. You can keep playing leviathan missions for casual games (or even older missions from previous codices/mission packs - just using 10ed rules).

The technical term is: SHITSHOW.

Yeah this isn't at all accurate to the situation. Its a tiny minority of people who actually plays the game that is upset at this. Most players find the changes good. Edit: Lol I replied to 4 people pointing out how this is literally just not an issue, and all but one of the replies were removed. Way to prove the point.

How to be relatively compatible to GW changes: 1. Have a Killteam army. 2. Magnetise all weapons (even torso if you have to)

Funny enough @Discourse Minis i was not aware that the deck i have has this little pamphlet you just presented... and I was about to play my first 40k game in 10th edition the day after tomorrow. THANK YOU for making me aware that there is a better way to play the game other than the core rule book version.

I didn’t know this was a thing. Thanks for the heads up.

I've never had an issue with this. Both my local game stores, we get a couple copies that everyone shares that the store buys, so it doesn't come out of our pockets.

Gate of Antares second Edition is free to download and most minis are still available as well as an growinig STL library. Its still a very good Bolt Action is space.

A grass roots solution: have each player group and independent stores standardize rules and play casually .

I bought Leviathan on release and I still haven't gotten around posting an actual game. Some card deck doesn't bother me at all, since I simply don't have to use it. And thankfully I'm in it for the hobby more than gaming.

This is all stuff that should be a free pdf and/or free on the app

I do enjoy card mechanics in games - up until I realize I need to print a couple of erratas, but not being sure which I need since the last time I printed errata, and realizing I need to now sleeve the rest of the cards so the errata'd cards are not obvious.

Don't play 10th or even 9th rules. My group plays 3rd or 4th edition rules. Just use the modern models...no issues, and low cost....plus the rules are far far superior. I dont understand why anyone would wilfully allow themselves to be financially exploited in this way. If we treated old grandpa at the care home this way, it would be termed elder abuse and we would get the jail!

lol “I usually brought a knife to guarantee I won” - THE SERRATED SISTER!

Ooh. You mean the scenario pack has a "one page rules" option?

My favorite game ever was pitting iron warriors (pre-generic chaos undivided change) against a guy with a space wolf army he inherited from someone - it was close, we was both new to the game and just had pure fun, no politics or trashtalk, just teaching each other the finer details of the game and our individual armies. Sadly, we never saw each other again and there was a suspiciously similiar army on ebay the next week :( A close second was same army vs orks that basically went down to 2 termies vs a wartrukk - he'd tank shock, i'd miss with power fists due to disadvantage and after a couple of rounds of back and forth, we agreed to call it a draw 🤣 I miss those days tbh.

Sooo... I'm just going to continue to play home games every few months and ignore most rules updates, like always. They've been doing this "seasons" crap in Age of Sigmar for forever, and it took me all of five seconds to understand that it's something I need to ignore.

Games Workshop is a miniatures company. Because there are a jillion different models in production... this requires a jillion convolutions in their rules so specific figures have a point to their existence.

I bought the core book last week and in the mission section it defines the parameters for missions and VP's. Essentially you have primary objectives that both players fight over and then secondary faction or army specific missions objectives as well that are outlined in the codices. The tactical objectives are a nice twist and secret objectives are a nasty idea as well. Parish nexus is a thematic narrative expansion of Warhammer using elements from the original leviathan box set objectives and adding a new flavour. There is no reason you cannot play leviathan rules and they work in gameplay the same way. I like these expansions and I suppose there will be more. If both players don't have them that doesn't mean your wh40k collection is useless, that is absurd. I'm sure not everyone will buy every expansion and I suppose there are certain advantages and disadvantages for factions in each expansion so your army is tested more or your units stretched or your brain taxed to different degrees. The objectives really make sense of the battles, rather than were here beating the shit outta everyone there is a more thematic drama and narrative urgency to get things done. Line my army the inquisition, sororitas and rogue traders they have secondary objectives of cleanse and sanctify so even if they fail primarily they get 10 points for doing the emperors holy work in the opposing deployment zone, I think adding tactical objectives into the mix is awesome as they are on the way to cleanse and burn they might pick up more points in the meantime.

Games Workshop is just trying to make a "subscription" mode for their rules. As long as players buy their rule books and supplements, they will continue.

I miss 3rd edition, I miss spending hours crafting my army list, customising the wargear, weapons, upgrades etc. of every single unit, I miss the depth and complexity of it and I particularly miss the stability and longevity of it. Current 40k and the relatively short timespan between entire new editions and need for a large expenditure as a result just does not appeal to me in the same way. In spite of that I've been toying with the idea of getting back into the hobby for years but frankly it's the cost of Games Workshop stuff now that's the real barrier for re-entry for me.

500$... you wish. I have a list for guard with around 2000p based on THREE of the combat patrols. I'd pay 740€ with a 20% discount.

I know I always love it when a company decides for me that it's tome for me to give them more money. Definitely doesn't make me want to plan a terrible vengeance.

Backed Port Royale, it looks great

Digital subscription based rules are the future. I'm sure some people at GW don't want it, as it'll cost some lore writers and artists their job, but a lot of the rules people there have to be aware at this point that paper rules, in a world of quarterly balance patches is not a sustainable model to keep going forward with.

Wow, that ad read was... amazing. who knew a beard would work so well for you?

I for one am very happy they got a new deck out. Ive played so many games with the leviathan deck it was getting stale, I've now played 2 games with the new deck and enjoyed the new twists on them. Plus my opponent didnt need the deck to play, since it contains cards for both players.

It really feels like they are catering to people who play all the time. I want to play, but I get too overwhelmed by the rules and special rules, then the updates to all the interactions to the rules etc. I've just resigned myself to a collector/painter.

I'm old enough to remember when a new 40k box was €50, and you got two (small) armies (around 500pts) and a rule book. I've wanted to get back into 40K, but the entry cost is just ridiculous. I mean, where do you even start nowadays? You buy the starter box and then need to purchase additional booklets/cards just to have the latest rules actually to play a game.

Oh my god, a company that wants to make money. Outrageous!

Todd Howard approves this new pack of cards. Nothing is more appealing to Big Corp. than getting the consumer to rebuy the same product repackaged as something new repeatedly over the course of a few years (or even a decade). Side note: we need more videos with the pirate in them 🏴‍☠️⛵️🌊🏝

Folks, guess from the title what this is about. Is it about the 'Warhammer scandal' part 4 (of the past 12 videos)? Is it about models, or rules, or just GW being greedy, we don't know because it's a vague clickbait title: it could be on something that was announced yesterday, it could be something announced 2 weeks ago. We don't know: it has the exact same photo of discourse with their hand on their head in the thumbnail as the last video. I write this, not as a 'hater' of the content - I love the pro-consumer vent, the sketches were really funny (when was the last one?) - but jeez, I can't bare the clickbait. It's insult to 'is this worth you're time? Click to find out!'. It's as anti-consumer as GW. GW wants my money, clickbait wants my time - the two being somewhat exchangeable. It's so disappointing, there is some great content on this channel, but the titles are so vague as to be off-putting, and the intros so generic I don't know if this is a 'oh hey, this company has done something genuinely awful and I'm going to learn something' or just mediocre 'hey, GW are capitalist shills which you've already heard from everyone else over the past days-weeks'.

LOL, thanks for the fantastic transition into the kickstarter plug.

This sounds like you don’t go to tournaments 10 months into a mission deck’s life.

Emperor forgive you if you lose a card or three. I'm not anti-card, but after 40 years of gaming, I have tons of games I can't play because I'm missing pieces. I can still play (and sell on the secondary market) games that only needed the rulebook to play.

I’m currently figuring out how to update my books with an easily sticky note style glue… and also I saw a video that shows you what to update on the new nexus cards and it was quite simple actually

It's the same rule that always applies to Warhammer. Play the Edition you want with the people you like.

I bought the new Age of Sigmar box to get started with the game and at this point in Games Workshop's history it feels like betting €200 on horse racing

Pirate ad lines up with me pirating some rules bahahaha

Love your content, but I think you might have blown this one out of proportion. There’s nothing stopping you from mixing the cards or still playing leviathan missions if your opponent agrees. The only time you would be “forced” to use them is if you went to a tournament. I get it though we’ve known gw is like this for a long time and we still buy there toys and still play thier games. I’m still going to watch your videos though I find them very informative and they shed light into the dark closets of gamesworkshop.

I for myself actually like the Update. It's easily avaolable online, so there is no need to buy the cards, but it's also nice to have. They've made some really great changes to the game systems that just makes sense. Be it the tank shock changes or the changes to 0 OC units. I mean... it's not common for a Tabletop game but Warhammer 40K is basically a video game where you get updates, patches, DLC and tons of expensive Microtransactions. But at this point I'm so invested, I just roll with it. It's very expensive and frightening to get started, but obce you got your first 1000 points it gets easier.

One rulebook, army supplement Codex and the modeling aspect...

Corvus Belli pulls this crap. Every year we get a new ITS pack for Infinity where there are sometimes new missions, but mostly the same missions tweaked for balance or completely unchanged. There's also a few "season special rules" to encourage people to use models that didn't get much use. Finally, there's the BS "official organized play" with such draconian policies such as "As long as a model is primarily CB, on the right sized base and not intentionally confusing, you can proxy anything you like." No wait. Sorry, this is a free pdf that gets released. Sorry.

I'm so up for some role-playing now! Ty babe x

So in fairness to GW on this one, they did say they would do this, which was weirdly open of them. But also, it is technically optional. The only reason it isn't is the player base says it isn't. I used to play at a club, and played every week. These refreshes were nice. Now I play semi-regularly and I won't be switching. If I rocked up at a store to play (not that you can do that anymore) and someone insisted on using the new stuff, the card set has 2 players worth so I can just use that persons. The reality is this is more down to the community being a bunch of simps who think GW can do no wrong, more than GW insisting on us doing something. They don't have to.

Hmm wonder what scale the Port Royal minis are. Have to admit, it'd be almost worth it to get enough of them to have an army of Carribean pirates standing in as standard infantry for Imperial Guard. Pair them with Age of Sigmar's Steam Tank standing in for Leman Russ tanks. Yes...

to be honest unless your playing a competitive game nobody is gonna care what mission deck your playing. If your opponent really cares then let them buy it. They should've added more variety in them but at the end of the day fudge GW use whatever you want

These cards and codex rules look printable from online sources. Why do people still buy official product.

I hate secondary mission cards at the moment, the feel so shity most of the time and its completly luck depended what you get.

These primary and secondary missions. It reminds me of the muddle you get into when playing Malifaux. It has different missions for each faction? But I seem to recall a lot of Malifaux is now app based. Please be gentle; not played it for a long time.

"very Discourse Minis" 😂

It would be nice if places with 150-200 players could get more then 16 of the pariaha nexus card sets. Like at least let us buy like 50-70. So half the people have it

Sorry I'm not with you on this one... New missions and rules are a good thing that keep the active players engaged and playing the game. Without active players there's no one at the store for the casual players to join. Besides, any reasonable player would be perfectly fine with playing the old missions in a pick-up game if you just asked. I get the GW hate, but this is not a scandal.

Ok look: I got into Warhammer in 9th Edition, Grey Knights, bought the books...1 Month later came the Announciation of 10th, never played a 9th ed game. Then there was tenth i finally startet with free rules and Index Cards, then startet a sisters army, bought index cards, the index...and its already outdated ! I paid hundrets of Euro to play it and they change the rules and what Units are good like every 3 months, its horrible! The Core Book is useless now the sisters codex does not have the right points cost AT RELEASE! and then a price rise of 5 % for most of my stuff. GW sucks so much . With kitbashing and buying at other places i try to deny them money as much as i can. With sisters: Buy a Noviciate Box and you can build like 4 or 5 charakters with some power Backpacks or a flight stand. Just build a flying canoness with the commander of the troop, made a dialogus, a dogmata, apotecary , a repentia...but still fuck GW.

Did you really complain that in the war game with objectives you need to hold, you can win by holding objectives?

I feel like this entire rant misses the point that you play whatever version of the game your opponent agrees to. Nothing is mandatory and only you and your opponent decide what’s default and what you want to play.

I've not played any games of 10th, I think I've reached a point that I don't want to under the current rules handling. Having to buy a big rulebook that's now half redundant thanks to the latest update, along with a Codex with outdated information and now a deck of cards that won't last a year before another mandatory purchase. GW need to realise that the update cycle they want is now too rapid for conventional printing and move to some digital-only model for rules to keep up with their competitors. The latest codex releases are proof if this, they're printed based on a meta from 2023 and largely superceded by a digital document on day 1. I love the models and the setting, but I hate how the rules have been handled.

GW really needs to change the way they do things. I'm fucking sick of buying a 60 dollar codex and having it be completely fucking invalidated not even months but WEEKS later. It is so fucking frustrating. I love this universe and this game, but they make it harder and harder with everything they do.

Yeah, I'm totally done with "official" 40k. 30k is where it's at for me

Eh 10th needed new mission and what to fix it.. though you can use mission cards from 9th and actually fixes some issues on balance with the sudden death cards for the underdog teams. Proly can find a set in a store on clearance stil

Honestly, at this point I’ve grown to not care about the whole getting angry or annoyed at the business model. Sure, bringing awareness to this sort of thing is good but at this point it’s already way too late for the company to ever revert back to the old way of doing things. That’s just how corporations operate. It’s been common practice in the Video Game Industry for the last 12+ years and it’s never going away because it’s too profitable. I’d rather spend time enjoying the game with friends regardless of what I have to buy than be mad at everything that RU-vidrs are mad about. While I do understand the whole “if we let them keep doing this then they won’t stop” argument it ultimately means nothing considering corporations push the envelopes all the time in spite of what we as a community do to push back. I’ll just buy what I need to play with my LGS group and just say “oh another $25 every couple of months? whoop dee do I pay more in minis and resin/filament.” I’m not saying or advocating complacency, I’m merely stating that at this point it doesn’t matter what corporations do anymore it never changes. Just have fun with what you have and can get your hands on.

So tired of this rules churn.

500 for a army wtf , a combat patrol is like $300 to 400 these days in australia

I love clickbait videos This was a very needed change there will always be changes that people don’t like. Even though my army got hit fairly hard “astra mill” I’m still incredibly happy with the changes

Like Captain Picard said in First Contact, " The line must be drawn here. This far no further!" Just stop buying it. Say: "this is all the changes to the game we will accept. Stop making what we already bought like decks, codex, box sets irrelevant, because we are done being milked like cattle." If you really believe this is anti-consumer, if you are tired of sinking more money into incompatible supplements, if you are drowning in updates that have less time between release then the last time you blinked then stop buying it.

To be blunt isn't it all just getting worse

Spoiler alert: you don't have to buy it.

Oh, if only it was as simple as 40K 10.5 We have a Core Rules update that is on version 1.1 (with a rules commentary that is on version 1.3) We have a Points Update that is on version 1.11 We have a Balance Dataslate that is on version June 2024 (wait, what happened to the numbering system?) I have a Codex Orks FAQ that is on version 1.1 I have a Legends: Orks set of rules that was last updated 24th April 2024 (I didn't think these were _ever_ getting updated? Oh, this was just to add the new stuff that was removed from the Codex..) So, I think we're on 40K version 10.1.1.3.11.June24.1 (but that last bit is different if you're not Orks) Personally I thought that version 10.0.1.2.9.Jan24.1 was the sweet spot. All been downhill since then...