A real look at GW vs OPR 

Another good thing about OPR is a lot of older gamers are blowing the dust off their minis and returning to the gaming table. I've reconnected with people I haven't seen in twenty years.

I don't care about tournaments! I just want simple rules that work so I can use my models to play with my friends in my club. Thanks OPR for doing that.

In general, publicly held companies are horrible for creative endeavors - be it GW or WotC. Folks sometimes blame the 'bean counters' for the problems, but Reaper Miniatures was founded by bean counters, and is one of the better miniatures companies. (Accountants whose biggest clients were in manufacturing. So, in order to understand manufacturing better, and become better accountants, they started their own manufacturing firm, originally using molds from a defunct company, then expanding from there. They are good folks!)

I had avoided WH for years, but recently life events brought me to it. During my research I learned about OPR. Not having come from a war gaming background, the rules for WH and even OPR didn't make any sense without seeing an explanation video on YT. All this to say, from a new player's perspective, OPR is a clear winner for actually playing a game with friends on a weekend. WH has better lore and pretty models, but that isn't what I'm in it for.

I'd argue that Battletech is comparable to 40K in lore depth and fiction published.

11th point. How does each company work with others? Warhammer uses constant copywrite strikes bullying small publishers that can't defend themselves and sue small companies that don't bend to the yoke. Onepagerules embraces their competitors and welcomes them to the fold enabling them to make their own rules and be published within their app. Point OPR.

If I started counting how much money I have given to GW in over 10 years of hobby, I could afford to go to Nottingham and demand to stay with them for a few years without spending a cent...I've had enough, and they will never see anything from me again.

Geedubs business practices will eventually crater the company in pursuit of the short term cashgrab. When that happens, I hope that someone with the resources can salvage what's left, take it private, and make it about the games again.

40K is billed as a 5 turn game but practically it’s a 3 turn game, that calls itself a 5 turn game.

Love the over view!!!! I'm an EXTRA smooth brained orc because I could never wrap my head around warhammer fantasy or grim dark:)!!! Now after watching you explain the rules I DON'T FEEL SO BAD!!! Any ways down loadable files for pennies on the minis for the win!!!!!

GW and GW apologists claim GW is primarily a miniatures company. Miniatures shackled and driven to rules renders this argument quite disingenuous,

For years, I have been annoyed with it being a public company. The only time I really liked GW as a company was the time when they released the "Start Collecting" boxes when the new president came on board. Actual deals were good. Now I look at the Seraphon Spearhead, and it is almost double the price in 5 years really makes a statement. The only things I really would want to buy would be the launch boxes as they have actual value to them. I have wanted to try OPR for awhile. It sounds good from what you have laid out.

Great vid! I have so many minis from games that are dead now. Wrath of Kings for example had some cool minis I plan to design an army for them in OPR. The fact that I can even do that makes OPR better in so many ways.

Ever since I left GW I have never regretted it. Loved the community video, hope there will be more.

OPR solely for the fact that you'll never need to rebuy your army to keep playing.

Heya Fitz great video! I would love a video series showing how to get started with OPR. From deciding on an army, deciding on an army list, to getting your rules and then a simple game then advanced rules game. A guide for the interested but no idea where to start noob.

I've enjoyed One Page Rules more in the maybe 3 years i've been playing than I had in a decade with Warhammer 40k. And the fact i can easily use my old 40k armies or 3D print new stuff or really do anything i actually want has been a huge push for me creatively. The ability to do that has pushed me from a mediocre miniature painter to having won my first painting competition. It also got me started looking into many other tabletop games, expanding my horizons and having a lot of fun with a ton of new things. I think the biggest advantage GW has is brand recognition, like Kleenex. Since i started trying new games, I've discovered that there are so many games with just... better gameplay entirely. Just objectively better really. Honestly, if GW had released Warhammer 40k as it is today at the same time as the many fantastic tabletop wargames that have come out recently, I don't think they ever would have lasted. The only thing they have going for them is their brand recognition and pop culture status.

Awesome video! Thank you for sharing. Yes, your channel and the others you advertise all been a part of me getting into this OPR game. I'm hoping to have my very first GD Firefight video up soon. Yes, I'm sure there will be flaws, but this looks like it will be my jam! Keep up the awesome work!

I still haven't tried OPR, instead just went back to 4th Edition with some homebrew rules. That said, it's baffling there are people who say 40K is "the best it's ever been". 10th Edition is absolute trash- boring, heavily streamlined and sanitized for the worse. I swear at this point it's just some sort of buyer's remorse.

I love the complex8ty of 40k but my friends justv want to role dice. And iv grown to love opr. Our group playes once every month and we always order out. I love this more than a tournament feel. With fewer minis and agn9stic are group can get stuff ready faster and have multiple armie for cheap.

This video appeared in my recommended playlist after looking for 40K alternatives for the same reasons you presented here. I’m a cranky, old grognard who’s been squandering his time and kids’ inheritance on British metal / plastic minis since 3rd ed. and have no more patience for GW’s foolishness. I can’t change the world, but I can change where I spend my bit of disposable income. Thank you for this presentation. I will definitely look into OPR more closely. I may even be able to finally get a 3D printer with the savings! Subbed and looking forward to seeing more of your work.

Brother, you earned a sub from me earlier today even before I saw this video. I've been enjoying your army breakdowns! Keep up the good work.

I wholeheartedly agree with everything said in the video. Great video. I love 40k, but I refuse to support GW. Print my minis myself and play my own home-brewed OPR ruleset. It is absolutely brilliant. I have gotten family members who use to call me stupid and make fun of me for it into now having several armies and making time on weekends to come visit me and play a game or two. OPR to me has the potential to blow GW out of the water, simply because they're not miniature specific on their rules.

OPR was a safeguard for my miniatures. I was thinking in selling all of them because I'm fed up of GW lies and its expensive and constantly changing rules. 9th edition started with what it seemed to be best price unit boxes; a couple of months later, they started doing again the same expensive unit boxes with the first codex. This edition, they promised at least a free detachment for every faction and the combat patrol for playing in a more simple and cheaper way... They are erasing each free detachment when its codex is launched, they haven't launched anything new for combat patrol, just downgrading the one's with most value (sisters of battle, Genestealer Cult...), etc. Every edition, same lies and worst deal for its clients. Possibly I will keep buying second hand GW miniatures, but without the feeling that I need three units of all for playing properly

19:20 BattleTech is the only one that rivals it.

I literally thought you were Wargamer Fritz this entire time 😂

I feel that OPR is more fun to play. The rules are streamlined, so only two rolls (one from each player) are needed to hit, instead of WH's three. Many other aspects are also simpler, sensible, and straightforward. Don't get me wrong, I love rolling dice, but having to succeed a ballistics check, then an accuracy test, then a defense roll seems a bit excessive and cumbersome. OPR is easier to learn and teach (and understand why a mechanic works the way it does).

I have bought OPR worldbook, and while I didn't expect much, it was still disapointing. While there are some interesting ideas in there, and I approciate the new art inside, writing itself is pretty subpar, and there are no themes that would get me hyped up.

I have been doing tabletop since I was about 16, I'm in my 50s. Nobody, and I mean nobody holds a candle to GW for most convoluted system. I think I really got into it in 8th edition but time and money have only served to make GW worse than they've ever been. As you said, no formula for points (which to me is the worst kind of game building), constant changes to make gaming as a service, and the primary concern being to keep whales whaling. I found out about OPR about a year ago, and I liked it, but didn't really get into it. I didn't play WH40k because of the cost prohibition anyway, but I'm revisiting. I think more 40k players need to break with the abusive X, as you aptly described, and put their time and money to better use with an indy company. We all are too eager to play the industry leader because they are the industry leader, and their is a stigma against any lesser competitor, but OPR Grimdark future, is, in my opinion, better than WH40k.

Excellent video! For me best option is playing one-page rules with GW minis that I really like, but I'm happy to play with other minis thanks to the minis agnostic philosophy of OPR

A Tier-List sure would be nice

I'm GW's target market: "price-insensitive". However, two non-cost problems killed it not long before buying 2,000 point armies for six factions. i) the fact that I can't get all the rules in one place. Even if I buy all the codices, its still a major pain in the ass to figure out what my opponent can do. I need a bunch of separate pdfs or books to search through for every game. ii) the extremely short rules life cycle. The 10th edition is still only half baked, halfway i to its release. This shouldnt even count as its own official release until 3 years after rules are finalized. Or Hell, 8 years after rules are finalized. These guys want to be the porsche of games, and I respect that. However, they need to learn to treat their customers as such, with automatic pdf copies of updated books with each change. This last balance patch had all a bunch of separate documents! Not a single revised main rulebook. Jesus these guys are freaking amateurs. Imagine, they could have had $25,000 from me on day 1, and gotten five in my family hooked, had they not cur off their nose to spite their face.

sold!!! thanks for the info.

I resisted wargaming until printers and OPR made them affordable. No turning back now.

To me the whole "OPR is just Kirkland Warhammer" misses the mark. OPR not only has armies that Warhammer does not such as Jackals Duchies of Vinci Infected Colonies and Ratmen Clans, but the customizability of OPR allows for people to make armies for just about anything. I have seen people on the Community List make everything from Napoleonic Armies to Arrakis to Helldivers to people even making it their job to create custom armies such as what happened with Sin's Miniatures and his Catmen army or the Fae Petal Courts which is just one army. Honestly If I gave it enough time I could probably make an army of my own. Probably Bee People because I think it is neat. As far as lore stuff is concerned it is true that characters like Caiphas Cain Gotrek and Felix Thanquol Trazyn and even fan characters like TTS Emperor are more famous but as you pointed out they have been writing for almost forty years with a team of professional writers. I think people could make their own lore and that it could wind up being famous or at least appreciated as well. To me though the real selling point of OPR is that it is not only incredibly accessible but that it is built for people who like games. I do not feel like I am being treated as just a source of income. I feel like a customer and someone who could make my own fun with the game. The craziest thing is I haven't even played an actual game yet and just watching you play I can see that anyone can come to understand this game which to me is a good sign.

Love the video. Have had a 3d printer for awhile now but never printed anything but bases for my minis however after starting to get into OPR and looking a all these designers of some of the stl's out there I am amazed at the talent many of these guys have. GW's claim to the best minis in the world is nonsense at least from a design perspective.

Great even overview. I agree on pretty much everything. I love OPR and think that they can and will have a great future. Warhammer has the one thing going for them, history. Being around a long as they have been, it is hard to knock that they have books, lore, minis, etc from generations back. With the community getting more involved with OPR, I hope that there is some sort of base lore that is provided by the OPR group that allows for people to build off of.

Damn, glad it's not just me. I've been describing James Workshop as my abusive ex for years now, having quit all their main-line games for nigh-on a decade now. Luckily I'm old and ugly enough to be able to buy minis from whomever and use whatever rules to play. Thanks to Uncle Atom for putting OPR in front of my eyeballs

This is a good video. I like the balanced, fairly neutral angle. I like GW's miniatures, but damn, their rules hurt to keep up with.

One page rules is basically Warhammer 40k second edition. It is far more simple, for sure. But it doesn't add much to any gaming experience. After playing Kill Team and Combat Patrol, - this one, supposedly indicated for beginners, I noticed the most problematic problem about Warhammer 40k, as rules set, along the years, is the fact it is hugely focused on people who already have most of the rules embedded into the brain. So, you kind of need adding layers and layers to keep, dimension, flavor and- the most important fot the current community- freshness, as the new players demands regular novelty. I recommend people who wants a simple Warhammer 40k, take a look specifically at second edition.

Digging the channel, Fitz. I came into 40k in 4th, and am saddened by the late-stage ‘line must go up’ mentality of the modern game. I agree with your sentiment, OPR is where it’s at.

I'd love to give OPR a go with another player (been consigned to solo play) But main issue i run into is that nobody will freaking try it! Stores i go to around here are populated by die hard fans, ancient veterans, and a few uh.... problematic new players. (One wore an entire damn Afrika Korps Wehrmacht uniform to his first game...) Not many stores around here but yeah. Thats a slight issue to get through to "willingness to try" i suppose.

I've been into collecting and painting models since the 1990's, I started with Epic, moved onto Warhammer 40K, then got frustrated with the rule changes in 2010, and stopped with Games Workshop. I agree with everything you are saying, but I'm a sucker and got pulled back into 40K with Kill Team in 2022 and then 9th Edition, I'm dabbling with 10th, but being careful on what I spend, as I have a massive collection from the 1990's to 2000's, Orks, Space Marines, Dark Eldar, Chaos and Tyranids, and I can still use half of these. I have been a backer of OPR for a couple of years, collecting STL's for a future 3D printing adventure. In between I got into CMON Zombicide Black Plague, Massive Darkness 1 and 2, Zombicide Invader, and Cyberpunk, now I have too many models to paint, delaying my 3D printing plans. Not a bad problem to have :)

I feel like certain comparable negatives to GW werent brought up that are negatives for OPR. Like poor and rapid rules updates that recently plagues OPR with the kneejerk reaction from OPA to undo the publicly released rules. These rules weren't even given a chance to breath before they got sent to advanced rules, and the entire point system changed on a dime. There are a lot of new players who got shafted by the immediate change that seemed to come from a poorly taken temperature test of the community from OPA since people just complained in his ear about, even though a lot of people like myself liked assault. Leadership is important and as such OPA seems reluctant to spearhead any real growth on the competitive side of the game. GW meanwhile has a very specific and clearly laid out "if you want to play competitively do x,y and z" while OPA is more "do what you want" which is a half solution to a question posed. Another is model availability. Not everyone has access to an affordable resin printing space. Resin printing takes a dedicated space, ventilation, and a commitment to an entirely different hobby which just isnt managable for some people. Meanwhile GW has ETB kits which a child can snap fit together without glue. I like OPR for its conveniences that fit my life style, but that just doesnt apply to everyone.

Could you provide a list of fellow OPR content creators?

Paused the video at this point (~8 minutes) and wanted to comment a couple things before I continued: 1) GW didn't cancel a bunch of content creators with cease and desists. To my knowledge, actually there weren't any actual C&Ds sent out or, if so, maybe one or two. And before you comment, Text-to-Speech wasn't canceled due to a C&D. The creator stopped because he was AFRAID HE'D GET ONE and didn't want to deal with the constant fear of that hanging over his head. None was ever sent. And while that does still sound bad, it was built up by the fans, themselves, passing this false rumour around, like you just did. All the content creators stopped because, instead of GW's lawyers slapping them on the wrist, GW instead went "Hey, wanna work for us, instead?" and they, almost all, said "Yes" because steady job with steady pay is better than nothing. Then there was that one guy that wanted to, but then got bullied so fucking hard he declined it and ran away from the internet, because anonymous online fans are fucking monsters. 2) I see a lot of negativity in these comments as I browsed them (to make sure my above comment wasn't made by someone else yet). It reminds me a LOT of the great 7th Ed exodus into Warmachine/Hordes. As someone that didn't leave then, I was on the other side of the fence of that one, and it was toxic as fuck. I am seeing the same thing here but now I'm on this side, and it's worse, 'cause the stench is coming from my yard. A bunch of you are acting very much like you're toxic as fuck, and I strongly caution you to stop and reflect on that. I'm not a GW apologist. In fact, I'm the one that got my friends into OPR. We all like it for a lot of the same reasons others here do. Mostly "it's simple" when most of us can barely get out to play once a month (and even then, half the time, people cancel on it, anyway....). The important thing is "We play OPR because we like OPR." We don't play OPR because we hate GW/40k/AOS. There's a very important distinction. Most people I ever dealt with relating to Warmahordes played it because they hated 40k, and it reflected BAD on the community. And now, 10 or so years later, what system won that fight? Don't poison OPR's community in the same way.

Well, yes.

Did i understand it right with the Codexes? Some faction players don't have rules for their armies until the edition is almost obsolete? How are they playing until then? Old rules? Guessed rules?

I totally agree. I am at core a historical wargamer and the difference between GW and every other wargames company out there has always been significant. I also played 40k (from 3rd to 5th) and WH Fantasy until GW killed it, although I never bought figures direct from GW. I used to buy Citadel historicals back in the 80s which were really nice figures compared to their SciFi stuff (GW-Spacefarers) at 3 times the price and nowhere near as nice. Now if you compare GW plastic to Victrix historicals for example the difference in quality is just the price. You get 60 excellent quality multipart figures for 32 quid compared to 12 figures for 37 quid from GW (or one character figure if you're lucky). Incidentally, GW might be a British company but they're not the only one, there are a lot of good British wargames manufacturers out there - none of which are 'pay to win corporate monsters' like GW, who visualise their customers as nothing more than a pound sign (or dollar sign in your case). They are also not the biggest manufacturer of wargames models by volume. They might have the biggest IP boosted by their product diversity but there are other wargames manufacturers that sell more figures than GW worldwide. Good luck to OPR and their democratisation of the SciFi and Fantasy side of the hobby. Long may it continue. The only down side is that as a 3D printing enthusiast my armies have begun to own more floor space than I do in my house... I'm sure you can relate WB Fitz! By the way - you're a machine. The rate at which you produce your stuff is not human.

I've only played Warhammer Fantasy ones and I hated it. I was told it was balanced me having two units of elves that could fight and shoot while my friend had the empire which had muskets pikeman and a freaking cannon. It did not feel fair. I've actually been playing a lot of OPR with people who've never played war games before and we can get it done so quickly that they are already designing their next army.

I remember having a discussion with a competitive player on another YT video where he made the claim that nobody wanted a balanced game more than competitive players. I agreed and pointed out that this is the root problem; competitive players want a balanced game with all other considerations secondary. 10ed is overtuned, greywashed boring garbage. It's not fun to play unless you want to be competitive, in which case it's boring but functional. I want a fun game, and that means that there will be some unbalanced rules or factions. I would not be surprised if 11ed ended up being everything hits on 4+, wounds on 4+, and saves on 4+.

Well I appreciate the comparison on a major point for games workshop that you neglected is how likely a new player is to find an existing community near their home supporting one-page rules or Warhammer 40,000. This is one of the most important things to mention because no one wants to play by themselves. I would venture to guess that the majority of one-page rules players started by playing Warhammer 40,000 which means most communities will support Warhammer before one page rules. While many of the aspects that you mentioned about one page, rules are very favorable, especially for me the rules that are not changing nearly so often it can be difficult to find games against anyone let alone people who have never played a tabletop war game before.

Worth mentioning that One Page Rules is deleting any old version unlike GW

ACTuallY! 40k has the bigger competitive scene. So that means it's superior by every metric. 10 out of 10 review would watch again. Jokes aside, enjoyed the analysis.

Kirkland 40K lol. Good video buddy.

I'm sure OPR is great, a lot of fun, balanced, and isn't toxic and predatory in their business practices. But players will never have the street cred potential that modern kids want.

Since this is the first time commenting under your video: I love you channel and love your videos, hope you'll keep it up for a long time! But I don't think you've managed to be as fair and objective as you wanted to be, and I felt that you still owe GW a grudge, overexxagerating negatives of WH, being biased towards OPR or unintentionally omitting details that would favour GW. -You don't need to buy the core book for the rules. The whole rules section is available on the Warhammer Community website for free. -The length and the understandability of the rules are not as bad as you make them out to be. If we took out all the art, the empty spaces diagrams, example pictures, the redundant summaries, I'm pretty sure it could be condensed down to 30 ish pages, like the Advance rulebooks. Also, the language isn't that big of a deal either, maybe a tiny bit more boring than the OPR rulebooks. -You compare the WH Core rules to the GF Core rules which, while their names are the same, is like comparing apples to oranges. The WH equivalent would be the Quick Start Guide, which is 3 pages long and containts about the same amount of information. The WH Core rules is more similar to the Advanced rulebooks of OPR. -About model agnosticism: now, maybe it's just me being a newbie, but I don't understand how WH or any other tabletop or boardgame isn't model agnostic. The only thing that is fixed is the base diameter and maybe the model dimensions. If you play at home with a friend you can use whatever you want, if the local gaming store/gameclub allows it you can use whatever you agree with your opponent and from what I've heard tournaments sometimes allow using proxies. The only place where you can't use them for sure are official GW shops, but I wouldn't count it as a negative, since OPR has no equivalent to that. It's also worth considering that the number of stores where people play OPR games might be less than the stores that allow 3D printed armies, so OPR is even less accessible than Warhammer. -With 10th edition, you don't neccessarily need to buy the army codices. You can download the indexes of each army, which include a lot of units and their special rules, plus one detatchment and its rules. Of course these become outdated once the codices come out, but again, if you play with friends or you can agree with your gaming partner, you can use the indexes instead. Also, as of right now only 8 out of 27 codices were released, so more than a dozen armies still use these rules. -Subscriptions: WH+ has dozens of painting tutorials, dozens of batreps and hundreds of magazines. OPR has STL files which are irrelevant to those without a 3D printer (a very big chunk of the population), 2D miniatures (which like before, will probably be free after release), advanced rules (which you only need to get once, after that it's irrelevant), mission rules, armyforge access, beta access and a discount. Again, it's oranges to apples and, unless you have a 3D printer, those apples are very sour. -About game feel: You have two sources for rules, the core rules and the datacards with the army specific rules. The former is condensed into 3 pages, and the latter is neccessary anyway for the stats. The stratagems are a lot, but they are limited to 17 (11 core + 6 army specific), and you can always ask your partner to show and explain them. You can also agree to not use them at all. When it comes to game length, I think it's worth pointing out that the average army of GF is around half the size of a WH army. Making the number of units roughly the same would probably narrow the time gap. (Plus there is the Combat Patrol format - with free core and army rules - which probably falls between GF and GFF in scale.) One might also say that the armies of OPR are very basic and there is no identity or character to them, or at least it's less than the GW counterparts. My judgement on this might be off (especially the last one), because I haven't played a single game of either systems and only watched batreps, but it feels like you slapped your hands together and said OPR is better because you think it's better. Sooo yeah, I think the final score should be 7 to 8, both scoring 1-1 point at the topics I've covered.

My main problem with One Page Rules is the name. It is a pretty awful name, IMO. That's about it. Pretty much everything else is excellent. I really dig the starter aets dor Grim Dark Future and Fantasy too. They are really well put together and they give a great taste for the gane worh obvious places to grow your interests if you like the experience. They dont get enough credit for that. I wish they could get them physically produced for shops, but as a 3d printed digital starter they are near perfect. The website is better than Warhammer, too.

I'm not going to defend GW, they deserve, hell they ASKED for, the hate they get. There is a ton of great stuff about OPR, not the least of which is a business that isn't run by bloodthirsty vampires. But I will say that the rules leave a lot to be desired for me. I do still play it occasionally but it lacks the crunch that I want. Having said that I have been and will continue to be a tier 2 subscriber to OPR. And certainly, any person new to the hobby should be pointed to OPR and NOT Warhammer.

One point in favor of Warhammer is it is likely easier to find a game at your FLGS - not sure that's enough to tip the scales

Regarding depth of lore Id say battletech is probably second. Tex from Bpl jave very nice lore videos id say on par with Lutein and Baldemort imo.

Just to be clear cuz I’ve been confused, with OPR $10 patreon tier, they’re sending you 2 armies of STL’s not physical miniatures right?

I'm probably going to be in the minority here, but I don't necessarily agree with the premise of this video. I'm a strong believer in comparison being the thief of joy. When I own two board games like Risk, or Catan, I don't compare them against each other. I view them as separate and different games that aim to provide fun and amusement in their own ways. I can gladly sit down and play a game of One Page Rules with some friends when we've got an hour or two, and it can be really fun. Or I might have more time and can spend an evening playing Warhammer with those same friends. OPR to me is a really great introductory game into wargaming, and is cheap, affordable and easy to get into. Warhammer then becomes the next stage up where you want to play more tactical and nuanced games. Both are very good for what they deliver.

Fitz I'm starting to worry GW might order a hit on you soon! By the way is "Fitz" name from the Royal assassin's Robin Hobb books?

I actually disagree on the subscription. What if you don't have a 3d printer? You lose 70%-80% of the value

I think some points are a bit stretched(?) Like the rules. Warhammer has free starter rules andyou have an index for every faction. Sure those who have a codex had them removed but it aint hard to find them in the net. Then the miniatures. You compare one group that has special made minis for sale vs one that doesnt. And then coming to the conclusion that the one company without minis has better minis because you can use whatever you want when playing with friends while the other one is worse because you cant use other minis at the official store. Which btw differs from store owner to store owner. Similar for availability. You forgot to mention that there are 3rd party sellers for gw stuff. And (at least my experience) i never had an issue with models flat out not available. i could by any box i wanted. This might differ in your local area. For the goodies that the opr patreon gives to you: i am sure its overall still slightly better than warhammer+ but without an 3d printer the deal is quite a bit worse than advertised. And at last game duration: How big is a 40k game and how big is a opr game? Like how many models can i expect? And are there different game sizes? Would be interesting to know to better jnderstand a comparisson. And dont forget that we basicly have 4 game sizes for 40k so dont compare the ones maximum with the others minimum to make a point. A more nuanced view on it would be interesting. Also what interests me is the longevity. How often can i play till its starts to feel dull. How exciting are new games? You made some solid points about the tournamend fokused 40k community and other things. I just wanted to mention these points.

14:07 *codices

Aww man! I didn’t make the cut on your list of creators.😭

From what I've seen so far, the biggest downside of OPR is finding other people willing to play it with you. A lot of people have never heard of it and don't know what it is - no, OPR Age of Fantasy Skirmish isn't Warcry. Sigh.

I used to have no problem with publicly traded companies. Now that it comes attached with buzzwords and propaganda wherever the large investment firms go, while they vote in shareholder meetings with the money that is not even theirs, (pension/401k etc.) I vastly, vastly prefer private companies.

Good video. But, Strategem critique is outdated for about a year. 10 edition let you have 18 shared stratagems and you pick one table with 6 army specific. Yes, its still more, but not as bad as before))))

Im not sure the point on Lore is right, Mr Warboss. Your point seems like 'Warhammer has a lot of lore. It has built up that lore by making it specific.' I'm not sure this is a strength. The real strength of the WH40K Lore used to be that you could play whatever you wanted really - evil pirate space marines fighting for the Emperor? Sure. But with the new focus on lore (and more books they can sell you), the galaxy shrunk to focus on a few powerful individuals. Now, the game is about them. OPR GDF has that old-school feel where the universe is vast, where there aren't specific individuals who fill up that space and allow players to create their own narratives. Idk, that's my opinion. TL;DR - its not about the amount of lore, its about 'just the right amount' of lore. Anyways. Great channel! Thanks muchly!

What kills the tt for me is the constant update and changes in the WH books. Idk how the games are so bad you cant stick to one set for long enough for me to even consider getting it.

Opr is the best happy to find something that isn’t predatory

One page lore.

I think one think you forgot to say was the easy of painting OPR minis vs GWs. cause lately GWs minis are bloated with too much details that its annoying to paint. OPRs mini are simple and easy to paint.

So basically One Page Rules... rules.

This was the "chill" version? Not that I disagree with your points.

Depth of lore in print ? I’d say Battletech is just as good as 40K

I've slowly at first got more and more into OPR, and now am even planning of supporting the Patreon. Not sure on the tier that I plan on going with, I don't have a 3d printer (even though i really want one, just don't have the space yet for one, that and have to figure out a solid air filtration system to minimize the negative effects that printing has on me). I was looking at re-creating my old homebrew codices (yeah I've got some homebrew codices in the works, even started updating them to the 10th edition, but they are not done) and am now been playing around with recreating them in the OPR system. Really looking into both GDF Future and their Firefight systems....love to play some Zone Mortalis style armies, and would also love a place for all these awesome Horus Heresy minis, and not having the awesome minis being relegated to "Legends" where they find an unfortunate place on the shelf is also very appealing. What I've done so far includes... Xeno hunters (a Deathwatch plus inquisition army design inspired by the old 3rd edition Daemon hunters and Witch hunters armies) Witch Hunters (very much an updated version of the 3rd ed. Witch Hunters) Daemon Hunters (like the witch hunters, all three of the hunters armies have some fun items, for one the inquisition feels stronger, they also have their storm troopers back) Elven Corsairs (based off of the Doom of Mymeara Eldar Corsairs lists, I really want to see that one return). I would also love to read the lore for the OPR world, who knows it might influence me in my homebrews. Either way I really enjoy this ruleset, your channel is also fantastic, and I really hope you have a solid year.

I desperately want to love OPR, but it suffers from the same thing as GW games, blob combat. Your units are just blobs and the models are just health point markers. Ever since the concepts of ‘pile in’ moves and models outside of base-to-base being able to attack in melee, these games have all turned into basically playing a spreadsheet. You barely even need the table, the models and all the pretty terrain. Where you move your stuff on the table hardly impacts the game. I’m so sick of people yammering on about how ‘simple’ and ‘streamlined’ the rules are. I want some freaking engagement from the game. I want meaningful player choices outside of list building. OPR is perfectly poised with its latest release that goes toward ‘modular’ rule packs to introduce an advanced/tactical module that makes the games more engaging. Please, someone, have mercy on those of us who don’t want to just spend hours mindlessly rolling shoeboxes full of dice and picking out the ones that rolled over a certain value.

Started in late 9th. Have witnessed 3 price hikes so far. I knew the hobby was expensive, but $40 for a single small character is absolutely garbage. New rules every 3 years also screws over armies that have bad rules. Admech got their codex early 10th, but they have been absolute garbage the entire edition. Will probably only get decent right as rules get changed

So you have to use official GW miniatures to play in official tournaments and stores but you can play OPR with alternative models or even some made out of paper. Point for OPR? The question is: Are there any tournaments or stores where you can play OPR with alternative models that _also_ would not allow you to use alternative models for GW games? Another point: Why is there no comparison between the price of GWs plastic miniatures and 3D pre-printed ones from the OPR store? The prices are shockingly similar...

Ok now fair is fair. No one has the RIGHT to make fan works. This is the risk of doing fan work.

There is 0 presence of OPR on youtube. No one is playing and no one is watching. That's how I feel it. It gives me malifaux vibes and I don't know why.

These comments are unhinged and I'll informed. Gw is a media company, 40k is a self referential game based on the 40k ip, its no longer the primary method of expanding the 40k universe. OPR vs gw is not like comparing apples and oranges, it's like comparing a small business to a country. People buy 40k models because they love warhammer. Few people play warhammer compared to the amount who just buy. OPR is boring and uninteresting, even if it has good rules it's not something that can be compared to gw. You are still ranting and you really don't understand how any of this works. I guess in your 7 editions if 40k you never looked at things objectively

the problem is opr is just a warhammer rip off. the community needs to explore all options instead of sticking to gw vs opr

One page rules baby downs the rules and kills the fun for me. i would rather burn all my models then play OPR.

OPR is not an independent game, it was made as a free 40k. I am all for competition, but this is just plagiarism - it deserves no respect