The way out of the 8-bar loop

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When composing electronic music many people compose an 8-bar loop, but then get stuck, unsure about how to do any proper musical storytelling from that point forward. Let's talk about a simple workflow for breaking that mental block, and how to think more in terms of tension & release 💥
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Contents:
0:00 Everyone gets stuck in the 8 bar loop
0:32 An example of a loop
1:22 What to do once you have a good loop
2:00 Building tension and release
2:45 Creating a musical moment of release
4:10 The Reversed Reverb technique
7:08 The Foundations course

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20 июн 2024

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@OscarUnderdog Год назад

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@ProfessorSaibertin Год назад

I just realized you're similar to Shlomo (from the face) :D

@doggoremakes Год назад

Thanks for the tutorials!

@T0WER Год назад

My problem is I get stuck in loops for so long that I start to hate the sound of my own creation, then start a new track thinking, "This time it will be different." It never is, lol. I'm going to try your strategy!

@Jam_Bon Год назад

Same lol😂

@Elias-True Год назад

This was painfully relatable lol

@DUniquemusic Год назад

8 baar loops is life

@ryansturgiss4115 Год назад

Ya you're not alone my friend me too no doubt about that.

@hekuli Год назад

I think then it's a good time to take a break and come back to it later :)

@Alice-Efe Год назад

Teaching in style and to the point! 💯

@OscarUnderdog Год назад

😌❤️ cheers Alice!

@i-never-look-at-replies-lol Год назад

MAN

@jean-marcdecanter7719 Год назад

Alice and Oscar in the same youtube page ! You are my two favorite teachers !😀

@kromanoidx Год назад

🛐🛐🛐🛐🛐🛐🛐🛐🛐🛐

@RogueFire29 Год назад

oh yeah the two best ones !!

@louminati4318 Год назад

Mate I've been stuck at this point since 1990. LOL.

@robertreid8241 Год назад

So have most DJs!

@frankstein7481 Год назад

Me2😉 since rebirth to be precise

@don_huzan Год назад

@@frankstein7481 whoooAoaoaoaoaoa

@1000sofusernames Год назад

Feels. If songs were 12s long I'd have made it by now.

@3DJapan Год назад

Really? I just figured I'd make variations on the loop, some with more instruments, some with less. I just listened to music and thought about what they were doing.

@colincromwell9355 Год назад

As someone who constantly gets stuck in the 8-bar loop this was immensely helpful!

@josepe217 Год назад

Wow man, this info is so game changing for producers that are good beat makers but with no musical knowledge. Excellent

@m.h.5400 Год назад

I've been caught up in overperfecting loops to the point of 'wtf is this'*delete*, and then repeat, for a frustratingly long time now. I've been following your tutorials since almost the beginning, I think, and so far your explainations are the most comprehensible out there. I'm using a free DAW which doesn't have fancy return busses, quick and easy MIDI to wav conversion and whatnot, but thanks to you the way you explain the stuff I can almost always figure out a way to make it work with what I have, for now. Also, fancy nails

@ringtangting Год назад

That's a serious loop, Oscar. Hope it will be a full track!

@HugoJL Год назад

Love how these concepts apply to any genre

@easytoassemble54321 Год назад

Yes, I needed this. I tend to get locked into tunnel vision on my loops very easily, so having a "toolkit" like this is very good.

@arizonateagod8491 Год назад

Another good tip to build a bit of tension and release is to introduce a couple notes in the break section of whatever your main melody of the “drop” is going to be. (I usually do like 2 or 3) and then once the “drop” comes introduce the full melody. Musical foreshadowing is very powerful

@LyroLife Год назад

Thats my favorite

@howeffingridiculous Год назад

great tip, thanks

@Luos_83 Год назад

I also like to do preverbs for this. Same steps basically, but invert the sound, then add a nice echo/reverb, freeze, flatten, and invert the sound again.

@gooneybird808 Год назад

I was always afraid of the next step after the loop is made but the sooner you start to develop the song the more ideas you’ll get for tension instead of just adding more and more to the loop. Even spreading out a few core sounds will make you think of a direction to take the song.

@LiquidGhaash Год назад

I am never going to do this, or create music at all. Yet i am still here and enjoying it greatly. Off to the next video!

@OscarUnderdog Год назад

😁😁😁😁😁😁❤️

@peterelfman Год назад

I've been playing a lot with reversed delays. They have a lot of the same emotional impacts as reversed reverb while adding rhythmic texture. For added bonus, reverse the thing you're delaying before you flatten the delay, so that when you reverse the flatten delay, it's playing "normally". Great video as always, Oscar!

@davidcarter3976 8 месяцев назад

This man is an absolute geniusmake sure you buy his master course if you can afford it!!!

@BaddBadger Год назад

Oscar doesn't just tell me what i need to know, but ever since i started following this channel he has told me those things exactly WHEN i need to know them!

@OscarUnderdog Год назад

🥰

@mccowncmKY Год назад

Cleanest and easiest to understand tutorial I have seen in a long long time. I have so many loops and snippets of songs that I have created but can never bring together and get stuck and thus the project sits in a folder and on to the next. Looking forward to playing around with this and your other tutorials. Thanks for posting!

@persona83 Год назад

Yesterday I found myself adding a crucial part on a song that I started back in 2009. Never finished it of course but the part brought it to life and maybe it's time to do something. 😃

@zk351 Год назад

Excellent as always

@PeterJoslynHarris Год назад

Another great video as always. Thanks so much.

@standjers Год назад

Nice one, Oscar! And love the nails and sweater color combo!

@cornhusk Год назад

Dude thank you 🙏 You always seem to drop tips that are pertinent to exactly what I'm struggling with!

@fablesofsilence Год назад

Love it as always - short and sweet.

@DcJay85 Год назад

Short, sweet and powerful. thank you.

@cookieintune Год назад

I actually made a ver poor attempt in explaining it but oscar simply knows how to do it properly , gladly I could get out of it about one year ago , but it's so easy to get stuck and so so important for who is starting because it can be unmotivating to simply not being able to progress over a loop , thanks for the good reliable and useful info that we can apply right away to any daw thats really priceless 👍

@lesimprosdulezardvert1342 Год назад

Superb tutorial. Tension-release

@ufoBob Год назад

Love it. Will soon join your course. Always to the point 🖖

@jacob808808 Год назад

love this! thankyou

@thesentry5679 Год назад

This is such an amazing video. My mind has been blown

@koalemos1679 Год назад

I deal with the loop in 2 different ways. 1 is I just embrace the loop. I do music "dawless" meaning I group machines together instead of using a computer. How I can embrace the 8 bar loop is by using it like a DJ would. I make a bunch of 8 bar loops that all loosely go together and bam I got a set. 2. I know if I'm making a full song I need at least two, preferably three, riffs per main part. 2 drum beats, 2 basslines, 2 melodies, bla bla bla. So instead of making a full 8 bar loop then moving on to the next part, I go ahead and write multiple parts per instrument. I'll write 2 basslines that play off each other, only then do I move on and do the same for the next instrument. The parts basically write themselves at that point. Thanks for giving us info instead of trying to pawn gear off on us like some music channels.

@dinshak86 Год назад

I got myself an MC707...i am trying to structure myself.i make an 8 bar loop n then get stuck "what next"...a while passes and then I'm bored of it. So your saying with the 8 tracks on the MC 707 I can do 4 instruments x 2 variations of each?

@koalemos1679 Год назад

@@dinshak86 I don't understand the structure of the mc707 well enough to really answer that with much confidence.

@dinshak86 Год назад

@@koalemos1679 it's a 8 track groove machine with 8 scenes (imagine Ableton)...any track can be a drum machine, instrument Synth or loope

@koalemos1679 Год назад

@@dinshak86 I know that much but how does the sequencer work? I'm interested to hear. I've seen some videos on it and it seems like it works like Ableton Live. You have 8 parts and their patterns are arranged in a grid. Can you change presets per pattern? How many different patterns can you have per part? These sorts of things would affect how I would go about things. Splitting your tracks is a good idea but don't forget that if you want a longer song you'll want to keep some parts similar in your A and B parts so it sounds cohesive. I usually keep drum and bass sounds the same but vary the patterns and choose one lead sound for the chorus, or drop, then choose a different lead sound for each verse, or build up. I've got a bunch of videos I made in January this year for Jamuary where I do this process a lot if you want some examples.

@BeatMax2023 Год назад

Thanks for sharing!

@MeneerSpijker Год назад

TY! I will most definitely check out your courses as soon as I have some money on the side. Just by seeing the value you bring for free and for your/our pleasure I can't (or can) imagine what your course has to offer.

@NateHorn Год назад

As always a perfectly presented video 👏👏

@washingtonbertrand5206 Год назад

Your videos are so powerful and so much fun. You get straight to the point in a way that is so much fun to follow. Thank you Oscar! Excited to see where my productions go with this!

@jean-marcdecanter7719 Год назад

Thank you Oscar ! This kind advice help me a lot.

@listencarefully23 Год назад

RU-vid needs to create a love button

@jasonbesant4074 Год назад

This is such a great tutorial for beginners. Thanks so much!

@supafly424 Год назад

really helpful, thanks

@andrelinzmaier1490 Год назад

Awesome video as always! Sweet loop! Also, sweet lighting!

@levyonthetrack Год назад

this is amazing thank you so much

@sclr Год назад

thank you! a LOT of dance music and even experimental and where they overlap is all about texture. this is a huge tip toward that idea/philosophy.

@hydralicious9315 Год назад

Very nice. Thank you.

@kp8923 Год назад

This is one of your best videos

@ryansturgiss4115 Год назад

You're a star thanks for that. im trying this right now.

@andrewhertzberg6889 Год назад

You good. Much appreciated.

@dirkstewart6069 Год назад

The loop is dope, looking forward to the release!

@alienbleeps Год назад

❤️thx for this, I will try this on the machines

@movement6671 Год назад

Don’t even stop making vids mate. Whether pro, intermediate or beginner, your vid’s are always fun and educational 💪💪

@albaby001 Год назад

The best music teacher online.

@Cult_of_the_Mantis 6 месяцев назад

Thanks as always bro 🔥❤‍🔥

@chrisperpina6326 Год назад

Many Thanks

@piotrkachel9392 Год назад

thanks bro it's really help

@enensis 6 месяцев назад

Thanks Oscar love your videos

@lihaiyang1120 Год назад

Awesome!

@DARKbetweentheSTARS Год назад

Thanks again Oscar for sharing this! I really like how you explain all the stuff and you have gentle and calm voice I like listening to. For someone like me who unfortunately can't afford courses, your channel is really a reliable source where you can really learn a lot. I love you!

@sanderpasmna Год назад

great tips!

@dagalost1949 Год назад

i was trying to figure this out for years, thanks a lot. You just got a new subscriber.

@meleyz Год назад

I love this channel.

@justinroberts7291 Год назад

Love the old reverse reverb tail trick. Been doing that since my days on the MPC 2000.

@mukisajohnmary Год назад

Thanks uncle Oscar. Been taking nudgets of wisdom from your channel for a while now. Thanks for the good work

@angaguirre6302 Год назад

GENIUS THANKS

@topheraxness8639 Год назад

Legit Brilliant!

@lupo8282 Год назад

Nice break-beaty groove Oscar! Sounds awesome

@MuslimShortanov Год назад

Good advice ❤

@ChrizzBeatz Год назад

great video ty

@richardjames111 Год назад

Brilliant!!!! 🙂

@FreehhZe Год назад

I didn't know how badly I needed this video until now

@vosguanekasparian9855 Год назад

Thanks ! I'm always creating 8 or 16 bars loop but I'm too lazy to finish my songs. That's a good way to gain some time 😍

@EspenFrafalne Год назад

Same..! Lately i just started accepting that i suck at "progression", and try to make some enjoyable loops instead.

@bagheeramusic2452 Год назад

Really good Video!

@ryansturgiss4115 Год назад

Very nice.

@MaoDiaz 10 месяцев назад

Eres un monstruo Oscar !! Excelente video gracias

@orlandohernandez6915 Год назад

thanks helpful vid

@boratsagdiev6486 Год назад

Wow thank u so much

@hayrullahefebehar5408 Год назад

Awesome 🎉

@heartbreaktimemachine Год назад

Good tips!

@violentene Год назад

Nice one!

@Drinkyoghurt Год назад

The best part about the explanations is how he's vibing to whatever he's listening to.

@paulred158 Год назад

Oscar I genuinely hope you are making some serious money from your excellent videos. I wish you all the best. Such a great teaching manner with the natural talent to back up your demonstrations .

@Artes.Antorcha Год назад

yeeeeeee!! i love when you read my mind! you are the original oracular spectacular! much thxs for that video oscar!!

@SellusionStar Год назад

Love your stuff Oscar!! Love you

@OscarUnderdog Год назад

❤️

@droopysnoopy3034 Год назад

TENSION and RELEASE 👁👄👁 Top tier editing at 2:05

@ShelbyWatson Год назад

Great video

@marcocarbone_ Год назад

Thanks a lot

@lmcmulle Год назад

Great video. Also love the fingernail polish!

@marandola12 Год назад

Happy to see a Bry Ortega sample there, love his stuff and his live act is incredible

@geckoklaus Год назад

so cool

@holgieselchen7033 Год назад

Wahnsinn Alex, kannst Du Gedanken lesen? Exakt genau vor diesem Problem stehe ich gerade! Dank Dir bald nicht mehr aufgrund Deiner tollen Tipps! 👍 👌

@user1756 Год назад

Thanks uncle Oscar!

@qexat Год назад

This video is very good! I already use the reversed reverb technique, but combining it to the others make it better :D

@SimeonPilgrim Год назад

“Uncle Oscar’s” live it love it,

@Marc_Angel Год назад

Solid Snake Loop.

@Nova_Afterglow Год назад

Rev Revs are so dope to me that I gave them the cool shorthand rev rev. Whenever I have an element that kind of comes out of nowhere, rev revs are my go-to tool. They always sound amazing, and they really build the anticipation for the element I'm introducing.