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The West Is Complicit In Israel's Genocide | Yanis Varoufakis & Raoul Martinez 

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Ash speaks to Yanis Varoufakis and film director Raoul Martinez about their new film Eye Of The Storm: The Political Odyssey of Yanis Varoufakis, what the left got wrong after 2008 and the West's complicity in the genocide happening in Gaza.
You can buy 'In The Eye of the Storm: The Political Odyssey of Yanis Varoufakis' at www.eyeofthestorm.info
00:00 - Introduction
00:30 - Eye Of The Storm
04:40 - The Financial Crisis
07:16 - Why Wasn't Democracy Enough?
09:12 - Syria and Optimism
12:38 - Should we Confront State?
16:50 - But What About Don't Pay?
20:20 - Israel Is Killing Journalists
22:55 - Palestinian Resistance Is Unacceptable To The West
28:17 - The Polycrisis
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Комментарии : 718   
@ahlambirani1199
@ahlambirani1199 3 месяца назад
The first words of this interview explains in a nutshell how we’re all feeling and have been for the last 4 plus months
@Uncanny_Mountain
@Uncanny_Mountain 3 месяца назад
The obvious next step is clearly still too much though Guess maybe in another forty fifty years ...
@jiffjaffa3992
@jiffjaffa3992 3 месяца назад
@@Uncanny_Mountain WTF is that supposed to mean? Hopefully not what I think you're saying.
@Uncanny_Mountain
@Uncanny_Mountain 3 месяца назад
@@jiffjaffa3992 Clearly you have a critical lack of imagination Which only underscores my point Keep bleating though, I'm sure it will help
@Shsjier
@Shsjier 3 месяца назад
​@@Uncanny_Mountaincongratulations. You said nothing
@kobss
@kobss 3 месяца назад
​@@Shsjier I think what @Uncanny_Mountain means is that the next obvious step is to stop the bombing and wars, disband the corrupt capitalist governments and actually practice some real democracy. I also dont see this happening anytime soon
@MendeMaria-ej8bf
@MendeMaria-ej8bf 3 месяца назад
Yes, Yanis Varoufakis into the European Parliament!! He's such a great thinker. I also appreciate his authenticity and integrity. Great pleasure to listen to him.
@Uncanny_Mountain
@Uncanny_Mountain 3 месяца назад
Won't change anything Why do you still insist on insanity?
@princeofserendip2572
@princeofserendip2572 3 месяца назад
@@Uncanny_Mountain We need critical voices against the plutocracies everywhere. Not nurturing any kind of change seems insane to me.
@LittleOrla
@LittleOrla 3 месяца назад
Ha! You think they'd let him into any position of power?
@MendeMaria-ej8bf
@MendeMaria-ej8bf 3 месяца назад
@@LittleOrla We electors need to do it! ☺ By the way, it wouldn't be the first time he would have a position of power. Finally, he had been the finance minister of Greece.
@MendeMaria-ej8bf
@MendeMaria-ej8bf 3 месяца назад
@@Uncanny_Mountain Why wouldn't it change anything? There WERE changes in history. Please explain why you think it's insanity.
@leopoldinejafri5740
@leopoldinejafri5740 3 месяца назад
This is what compassion looks like. God bless them! It gives me hope in Humanity. Thank you For exposing the corruption!
@SarahYounes-il9gk
@SarahYounes-il9gk 3 месяца назад
Thank you Yanis for standing with humanity ! Free Palestine 🇵🇸
@oolformacha
@oolformacha 3 месяца назад
Free hostages first and stop rape torture murder tactics used by Hamas.
@botman1711
@botman1711 3 месяца назад
🤔 aren't most politician says that?
@user-xn6qf7dt2t
@user-xn6qf7dt2t 3 месяца назад
Freeloaders
@alexyeskov7601
@alexyeskov7601 3 месяца назад
free Palestine from Hamas yeah
@zoltanbarath7371
@zoltanbarath7371 3 месяца назад
Yanis is a sane human with integrity. Always worth to listen to him.
@Pachamama30000
@Pachamama30000 3 месяца назад
Feeling hopeless and heartbroken . Disgusted with the governments . How can we see everyday the bombing of children and not do anything.
@forestsunset9617
@forestsunset9617 3 месяца назад
because you don't have choice, you never did. you have rulers, they made you think you are free but you aren't.
@mansionworlds2556
@mansionworlds2556 3 месяца назад
Just don't look and live your life to the fullest. Teach your children to try and always be kind, but don't go out of your way to help others really far away unless you enjoy that sort of thing.
@sherazmalik2179
@sherazmalik2179 3 месяца назад
One of the very few sane voices among a sea of insanity.
@mbronzeinfo7950
@mbronzeinfo7950 3 месяца назад
SOME PEOPLE ARE UNABLE. TO HEAR THE TRUTH THANK YOU YOU ARE A PERSON OF TRUTH💯🇵🇸
@DanneBrogen3
@DanneBrogen3 3 месяца назад
Send in your keyboard for repair!
@jake751
@jake751 3 месяца назад
​@@DanneBrogen3send your brain back for rewiring.
@DanneBrogen3
@DanneBrogen3 3 месяца назад
@@jake751 I don't want to do that! Look what happened to you!
@NaushadKhan-qv7sw
@NaushadKhan-qv7sw 3 месяца назад
Yanis is a man that most politicians almost 95 percent should follow as a roll model a true humanitarian for humanity and injustice.
@celestesmith6060
@celestesmith6060 3 месяца назад
Unfortunately most professional politicians follow the money.
@andypitt2848
@andypitt2848 3 месяца назад
Varoufakis is for years one of few politicians I agree with and trust his opinion. Thank you so much for this interview!
@andypitt2848
@andypitt2848 3 месяца назад
I’m from USA btw. He’s got respect from around the world.
@superducker7899
@superducker7899 3 месяца назад
Such brilliant answers to the last question in particular. Once again Novara! Ash you are awesome too
@vulning2905
@vulning2905 3 месяца назад
I have been following yanis for a short while and its great to finally hear an actionable solution to the downfall of democracy. As opposed to only hearing criticism.
@Lolaaestereo
@Lolaaestereo 3 месяца назад
Thank you Yanis for speaking up about this unstoppable killing in Palestine
@PMMagro
@PMMagro 3 месяца назад
The conflict is permanent hence the losses just keep coming back whenever the fighting burts out again. As it will until the conflict can be sloved or at least handled well.
@halimayusuf4989
@halimayusuf4989 3 месяца назад
we need people like Yanis Varoufakis back in the position of power a good person make good rules. and bad person make bad rules. we need get decision makers right thank you guys
@asnaeb2
@asnaeb2 3 месяца назад
Thanks Yanis
@Glastonbury1
@Glastonbury1 3 месяца назад
Thankyou Novara Media and Ash sooooo much! I have followed Yanis Varoufakis for many years and as things have happened and time has moved on, he has evolved, learned and presented himself with sincerity. I appreciate that his opinion has changed a bit, it is refreshing and surely that is what we want and need. Changing your mind, changing your opinion is called PROGRESS!!! We need to accept and allow people to do so, genuinely of course, but see the value in their strength to evolve and learn. I have lost all faith in the government in England and Germany, I am highly suspicious of eveything they all say. I am so very happy to have understood where we are now, why we are here and that we HAVE TO change. The genocide of Palestinians has shifted my understanding of the world, I am so very deeply sad, distracted and angry that they are suffering this, I can NEVER go backwards now, everything has changed. Everyone at Novara Media has done a marvellous job in presenting and educating people. I have high respect and regards for you all!!!🤩😘🤗
@BuffaloSkinner
@BuffaloSkinner 3 месяца назад
Allow me to shift your understanding of the world too. England doesn't have it's own government although we usually end up with the government the English vote for.
@baetenbruno3167
@baetenbruno3167 3 месяца назад
The europe politic does not want to face the truth and justice
@IanBourneMusic
@IanBourneMusic 3 месяца назад
This is true of political establishments worldwide, not only Europe
@dlovestar
@dlovestar 3 месяца назад
They're sheep that follow the U.S.
@dennismorris7573
@dennismorris7573 3 месяца назад
Europe and the United States are both facing these terrible truths, just not as quickly as Yanis Varoufakis has done - in this, this fine man is truly at the forefront.
@user-xr6qj3ed5m
@user-xr6qj3ed5m 3 месяца назад
What amazing speakers you all are! This was a PLEASURE to listen to 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
@sonbahar5296
@sonbahar5296 3 месяца назад
Yanis you are a good man.👏👏
@kljawn212
@kljawn212 3 месяца назад
Thanks for your honesty, something western leaders lack
@neazenzen372
@neazenzen372 3 месяца назад
Was recommended this channel in a pro-palestine community on discord. I am so glad to be here. Great work
@MrHousey36
@MrHousey36 3 месяца назад
Welcome!
@Gph0367
@Gph0367 3 месяца назад
Brilliant interview Ash
@avaandlilah8133
@avaandlilah8133 3 месяца назад
That the US, UK, France and Germany think that all this horror is acceptable is terrifying
@runnymedeworks6326
@runnymedeworks6326 3 месяца назад
What a wonderful interview. Great work Ash! Thanks to Yanis and Raoul for their work and spirit.
@Robin.2226
@Robin.2226 3 месяца назад
STOP the Genocide
@YourRealDaddy
@YourRealDaddy 3 месяца назад
I see Yanis Varoufakis, I click.
@breadcrumbtv
@breadcrumbtv 3 месяца назад
Word 🙌
@MikeBalkansky
@MikeBalkansky 3 месяца назад
Everyone who’s silent on this is complicit!!!!! Everyone!!!! Shame on humanity!!!!
@wiwlarue4097
@wiwlarue4097 3 месяца назад
I refuse to be called complicit. I never agreed to it or were asked if I'd support it. I have been trying to speak to people about it. Educate myself on it. What else could I have done? Don't you see people have no power against tyrants and they put the the blame on us throught these "democratic mouthpieces"? All there has ever been is plutocracy disguised in various forms of illusory justice. Now dressed in the pious gown of democracy.
@snakybcaky
@snakybcaky 3 месяца назад
true to an extent, i personally disagree with putting the responsibility of these horrors onto people just trying to get through life. like it or not posting a story on social media is not stopping any conflict(or occupation)!
@danzena4059
@danzena4059 3 месяца назад
What do YOU do on a daily basis for Palestine?
@MikeBalkansky
@MikeBalkansky 3 месяца назад
@@danzena4059 NOT BEING SILENT ON IT LIKE YOU!!? Of course on a daily basis, whenever & wherever I can! What about you!? Oh,I do not condemn Hamas! You do for sure!
@o_o8203
@o_o8203 3 месяца назад
Yanis says _you_ are also complicit in the genocide. I completely disagree. Complicity implies agency, and the average person has 0 agency on the genocide. You cannot be charged with complicity in a crime if, for example, you were kidnapped in a stolen car that was used for a drive-by (wow that's almost a perfect metaphor for the US 😂). Even coming together in large groups to protest hasn't done much. Personally, I would join the military if my country went to war with Israel because Israel should only exist in history books after what they've done. If everyone is complicit in the genocide, then the whole world was complicit in the ww2 genocide and every genocide that's happened since then. It's.... interesting to see "big thinkers" saying we're all complicit as if it means/changes anything.
@Beck_6382
@Beck_6382 3 месяца назад
Great interview! Well done! Keep up doing great stuff! Free Palestine!!!❤❤❤
@haggui4304
@haggui4304 3 месяца назад
Yeah, free them from Hamas
@ericrobinson7184
@ericrobinson7184 3 месяца назад
Yanis quickly changed the voice of economics for a generation, and I'm so glad super-smart Ash got to peek into his brain. Movie!!!
@yaznin2474
@yaznin2474 3 месяца назад
Great interview. Looking forward to watching the docu. Please cut the segment on Palestine resistance and share as stand alone segment. This should be shared widely. Many can not add the dots to white supremacy and the start of all this. Yanis articulates perfectly.
@yaznin2474
@yaznin2474 3 месяца назад
join the dots not add..... sorry.
@halofreak1990
@halofreak1990 3 месяца назад
@@yaznin2474you mean, "connect the dots"
@bruticusmaximus9944
@bruticusmaximus9944 3 месяца назад
It is good that people are talking about what is happening in Gaza but I wish at least once someone would mentioned what is going on in the DRC and the Sudan.
@wendyfay16
@wendyfay16 3 месяца назад
Our Govts are complicit in it ... not us!
@yassinrian292
@yassinrian292 3 месяца назад
You pay taxes every f,….ing minute…so you are living like a COW
@charlesponzi9608
@charlesponzi9608 3 месяца назад
Yes, because government does not work for us. Government is not our friend--they are the enemy and our belief in government and authority is the root cause of all the suffering and pain we see today in the world. Belief in government is a virus far more deadly than COVID-19.
@threedogzz
@threedogzz 3 месяца назад
You want democracy? Start taking responsibility
@kaiofzm
@kaiofzm 3 месяца назад
@@threedogzz we should take responsibility for the premeditated actions of evildoers? ok, good to know. rly, thx for clarifying, i didn't know accountability worked like that.
@jackdolphy8965
@jackdolphy8965 3 месяца назад
Taking responsibility for something does not mean taking the blame for causing it. Taking responsibility means taking on doing something - some action- to rectify it.
@stewart572
@stewart572 3 месяца назад
Bought it on Vimeo. Watch episodes 1-4. Excellent. Yanis is such a dude and he’s father’s courage is what’s made him so principled and sincere. Just a great guy and a great persuader.
@peacelove8529
@peacelove8529 3 месяца назад
This fright which Palestinians have been exposed to the brutality and crime of humanity by israelis since 75, we have to put an end to it Dear Mr. Varoufakis 🙏❤️ Individuals like you with compassionate hearts, embracing the essence of humanity, and possessing a deep understanding of human rights, cannot stand idly by while injustice prevails. Let us live the principles of humanity and justice, celebrating the richness of every Jew, Muslim, Christian, and every soul dedicated to the noble cause of fighting for justice and freedom for the vulnerable Palestinian people, ❤️❤️❤️🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸✊✊✊✊
@maryburnside7749
@maryburnside7749 3 месяца назад
What do you do with the question of " HAMAS "
@djejdjdjfkf12
@djejdjdjfkf12 3 месяца назад
​@@maryburnside7749same what was done with the IRA. FREE FREE PALESTINE 🍉🍉🍉🍉🍉🍉🍉
@juju2B
@juju2B 3 месяца назад
I feel this way, it’s on my mind every day I wake to see if a change has happened, never in my life thought this would be real:/
@moldymush
@moldymush 3 месяца назад
Same
@mirabaric5367
@mirabaric5367 3 месяца назад
I feel exactly the same way. The silence of my colleague bothers me so much, and day after day, I became silent too! I'm angry at myself. This is my first step. I came to US from country affected by a civil war, where even genocide happened. Horrible things were done and day by day, month by month, year by year, the war became a norm. Let's not accept the silence as a norm. Dehumanization of Gaza's is responsibility of all of us. Thank you Yanis Varoufakis; you are an inspiration for many of us.
@RiseAndShine144
@RiseAndShine144 3 месяца назад
good pair. thank you for hosting them
@EsW865
@EsW865 3 месяца назад
Movie looks amazing. Brave men speaking the truth. Ash Sarkar just brilliant too
@hazelmurphy9235
@hazelmurphy9235 3 месяца назад
Ash you are growing into an amazing interviewer. You always get the best out of people. I love the way you combine intelligence with humanity and empathy, never being afraid to bring in a personal angle. I'll be interested to see how your career progresses.
@Carlos-gf7uq
@Carlos-gf7uq 3 месяца назад
Thank you!
@user-xr6qj3ed5m
@user-xr6qj3ed5m 3 месяца назад
What an interesting video! Thank you sooo much 🙂
@noahkristoffersen6710
@noahkristoffersen6710 3 месяца назад
I am a simple man, when i see Yanis Varoufakis i click.
@diggerman00007
@diggerman00007 3 месяца назад
BDS....LONG LIVE PALESTINE
@donrayjay
@donrayjay 3 месяца назад
Hard message but true, we are all complicit in this genocide. We NEED to come together to stop it
@halimaalhiane9284
@halimaalhiane9284 3 месяца назад
Thank you so much Yanis for your courage and humanisme you are my hero for telling the truth
@England1984
@England1984 3 месяца назад
Yanis, you are an absolute speaker. I see clips of you in random videos or TV and always admire how well you put things together with your words.
@dcgallin
@dcgallin 3 месяца назад
Yanis, thank you!
@MeirleanShawk
@MeirleanShawk 3 месяца назад
Amazing interview, thank you❤
@nadjatfergusson1738
@nadjatfergusson1738 3 месяца назад
An excellent interview! VERY interesting! Looking forward to watch the documentary! Thank you to the three of you!
@LUISARAMOSCRICK
@LUISARAMOSCRICK 3 месяца назад
I just watched Yanis Varoufakis interview/talk 3 days ago, in Politics Joe, and I feel that without him, you at Novara Media, Owen Jones, and a few others I would go crazy. I feel so revolted, you help me to stay focused, and from freaking out.
@web3982
@web3982 3 месяца назад
"Elections can't be allowed to change economic policies." 3:19 I have read this sentence several times, and every time it makes me cringe with sadness and extreme discomfort. It also reminded me of NAFTA's aggression, allowing a group of international cabals of fat businesses to dictate to countries what laws to make or forbid, regardless of the earnest wishes of their citizens. It's time for an awakening and an international, borderless revolution of unity among all the people of the world to stop the madness instigated by a few crazy, heartless leaders!
@naymatunc-rc6vs
@naymatunc-rc6vs 3 месяца назад
Thank you for your honesty its very important to now that they are people saying the truth
@Uncanny_Mountain
@Uncanny_Mountain 3 месяца назад
Then what happened?
@adriannehaddow8972
@adriannehaddow8972 3 месяца назад
Excellent interview with Yanis Varoufakis and Raoul Martinez. Yanis is one of the very few voices I listen to whenever I can.
@Human_Herbivore
@Human_Herbivore 3 месяца назад
When there is a profit motive in essential services, it's as if the only essential of the service becomes profit.
@Uncanny_Mountain
@Uncanny_Mountain 3 месяца назад
What's your solution?
@Human_Herbivore
@Human_Herbivore 3 месяца назад
@@Uncanny_Mountain (re)nationalisation.
@asif530
@asif530 3 месяца назад
Ash what an incredible discussion. Both guests are remarkable people. So much wisdom. Thank you...
@hope.8.
@hope.8. 3 месяца назад
This might explain why so many feel so sickened by what's happening. Considering how many people have empathy and humanity but aren't in positions of power, obviously the geopolitical and especially economic systems wrangling the world into compliance is tyrannical.
@aspenfallen
@aspenfallen 3 месяца назад
Excited to see the finished film. Yanis is an unbelievably compelling and educating speaker. Thank you for this interview, Novara team!
@josephtany9515
@josephtany9515 3 месяца назад
Thank you brothers We dont Stop Free us All 🎉
@jacquibruce6644
@jacquibruce6644 3 месяца назад
Thank you for standing up for the truth, I wish we had a party in our government that had the same beliefs you have. Free Palestine
@jujujoon
@jujujoon 3 месяца назад
This is the kind of man I need as my leader. PLEASE
@GeraldFigal
@GeraldFigal 3 месяца назад
Great interview. I’m four episodes into the film-it’s brilliant!
@daonap
@daonap 3 месяца назад
The interviewees are great, but the interviewer is also quite brilliant. Thank you for the amazing work.
@friedjelly22
@friedjelly22 3 месяца назад
Thank you for making these videos
@mbctraining
@mbctraining 3 месяца назад
Great interview👏
@Simonax57
@Simonax57 3 месяца назад
Great idea. We are waiting for this film.
@marisalin3806
@marisalin3806 3 месяца назад
Thank you Sir for be honest and telling the true !
@fibanacci8
@fibanacci8 3 месяца назад
It is heartening to see these 2 authentic individuals join forces...this is truly needed..
@joeking4206
@joeking4206 3 месяца назад
I really admire Yanis. And he rides (or at least used to) a Yamaha XS1100 which a proper big powerful bike. He speaks so much sense, and his English is perfect. In fact it is better than many native English speakers. I believe he lived in England for a while and went to, I think, the LSE. A very impressive man.
@karlakim751
@karlakim751 3 месяца назад
Thank you all it is incredibly hard to watch learn and digest all that is going on in Palestine and being escalated. Plus feeling complicate due to our government. The sharing of knowledge and understanding enables us all to learn for ourselves gives us direction to make our own analysis and form or strengthen our opinions that like sowing seeds we can share and therefore hope for holistic growth for change 🙏🏻🕊️🙏🏻
@mobutt195
@mobutt195 3 месяца назад
You are. Truly a amazing Gentleman, talks sense absolutely everything you have said it 💯true 🙏
@anguspugh4543
@anguspugh4543 3 месяца назад
Great interview thanks Ash
@pamelajones5291
@pamelajones5291 3 месяца назад
We need people like Yanis SO much......also Ash you were amazing and Raoul too ..thank you all
@jasonfirewalker3595
@jasonfirewalker3595 3 месяца назад
I've been saying this for 20 years. Nobody seems to care. R.I.P. Rachel Cory.
@abdellah15k
@abdellah15k 3 месяца назад
Amazing job everyone. Keep up
@youcefbougherra8740
@youcefbougherra8740 3 месяца назад
Beautiful interview
@SA-km3oh
@SA-km3oh 3 месяца назад
Magnificent debate, interesting content and human persons 👍👍👍
@cyntiacyn1
@cyntiacyn1 3 месяца назад
Yanis is incredible. I love him!!
@iloveprivacy8167
@iloveprivacy8167 3 месяца назад
I haven't been able to focus, either & am very thankful to Varoufakis for offering that right at the start. 🙏
@phoebeel
@phoebeel 3 месяца назад
I know its really stupid to think that way but I'm somehow really proud to have gone to the same uni as Varoufakis
@terezaborges9365
@terezaborges9365 3 месяца назад
Thanks
@basharshehab8186
@basharshehab8186 3 месяца назад
Great interview. Great interviewer.
@deepaphooken9276
@deepaphooken9276 3 месяца назад
Brilliantly done. A cultural change is needed. Bravo to the three of you! The world will change. Will watch ‘The Eye of the Storm & will tell friends & like minded people to watch it too!!!
@user-du5jc7xz2y
@user-du5jc7xz2y 3 месяца назад
I agree with David totally. Yanis speak out.
@dearmamajj
@dearmamajj 3 месяца назад
Hi, Raoul and Yanis: I’m looking forward to seeing your series! I just watched the documentary Century of the Self. And 😳.
@shayannkosachev900
@shayannkosachev900 3 месяца назад
Great man and probably the smartest human being in the planet Yanis Varoufakis,thank you for opening up our eyes.
@Joanne-vr4zu
@Joanne-vr4zu 3 месяца назад
Thank you
@astralLichen
@astralLichen 3 месяца назад
Wow this is a fantastic interview! A lot of the analysis here seems to me to be very similar to the cybernetic analysis of Stafford Beer (specifically from his book Brain of the Firm). It feels to me like such a unifying way of thinking, and describes ways to find solutions to perpetual crisis at any level of society. Some of the things said in this interview could practically have been read from the book and it was released in the early 70s!
@laluba3603
@laluba3603 3 месяца назад
Oh. I love these talks. Gives me food for thoughts.
@Aronshmuli665
@Aronshmuli665 3 месяца назад
great coverage
@louCanitz
@louCanitz 3 месяца назад
100% I feel what he's saying from the start.
@jahsunhandy
@jahsunhandy 3 месяца назад
Awesomeness!
@katrinabillings7011
@katrinabillings7011 3 месяца назад
Thank you for this important perspective on our world.
@jamesyearout7639
@jamesyearout7639 3 месяца назад
The more things change the more they stay the same. It is refreshing to pull the blinders off once in a while. Thanks for the intellectual capacity to examine the structural overviews presented herein.
@huguesborelly2882
@huguesborelly2882 3 месяца назад
Thank you for this great interview, very interesting
@jasegalaxy74
@jasegalaxy74 3 месяца назад
Thank goodness for public intellectual’s like Yanis! His integrity is beyond reproach!
@arthurmoore8521
@arthurmoore8521 3 месяца назад
Thank you Novara for this brilliant interview.
@letmeinwillu
@letmeinwillu 3 месяца назад
This guy is a massive brain. Go Yanis!
@pongman71
@pongman71 3 месяца назад
I just watched this 3 times and will be buying the movie. Thank you.
@charlottecolley8713
@charlottecolley8713 3 месяца назад
EXACTLY! Thank you ❤
@khairmohammedsultany8285
@khairmohammedsultany8285 3 месяца назад
Thanks. It is very useful and understanding debates.
@nicethings3649
@nicethings3649 3 месяца назад
What a thought provoking conversation , thank you
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