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The Wild Woman Trope - A Story of Radical Self-Discovery

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How do you spot a Wild Woman onscreen? Rarely the protagonist, she tends to be a side character having kick-ass adventures on her own. Or this too-independent woman might come across to other characters as a cautionary tale, showcasing our shared anxieties about a truly free lifestyle. But at her core, the Wild Woman represents individuation, and our primal desire to live fully and freely as our authentic selves. Here’s our Take on the Wild Woman and what happens when she takes center stage, bringing us along on a journey of radical self-discovery.
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@thetake 3 года назад

Get a full month of MUBI FOR FREE: mubi.com/thetake (With the support of Creative Europe - MEDIA Programme of the European Union)

@mylordshinobi1381 3 года назад

SO HEY ARE YOU GUYS DOING ANY ANIME TROPE LIKE TOKOY GHOUL AND OTHER ANIMES AND OTHER THINGS THAT I UNLOCKT IN CINEMA AND IN SHOWS

@mylordshinobi1381 3 года назад

Man i Just love Trops I just can't get rid of them I just evolved to the point I just seen them from a mile away and Also I just created a trope of my own I called it the time line trope and the universal Trope

@JP-br4mx 3 года назад

I wish you talk more about Jane, Kay or Miranda

@jamieyoung9206 3 года назад

Can you guys do the Magical girl trope. And include maybe some anime in the vid

@jamieyoung9206 3 года назад

And I’m going to keep sending comments out till you do it. I want to see you do that trope

@heywhat6676 3 года назад

Another thing I've often seen is the trope of the man who lives in solitude. He's often labeled a 'lone wolf' or a wise hermit. The female equivalent of the man who is sick of the oppressiveness of societies is the crazy old lady or the evil witch of the woods. Basically men are admired and women are shunned for deviating from society

@grazielaalmeida8438 3 года назад

Women are shunned if they want to get married too, dusty men say that women only want to marry for money and being provided, and if they don't accept to marry a man that cannot provide well for them, they are deemed as gold diggers.

@negusnutrino8863 3 года назад

Lone wolf's are cool in specific instances but after that dude hella awkward. And the wise hermit is a looney. But everyone knows they aren't woman

@negusnutrino8863 3 года назад

This are "crazy old dudes" who are useful in the specific instances. Most of the time they make some mention to his to man is not all the way there. Also more often than not a man sexuality is creepy unless they look sexable.

@the_glitter_is 3 года назад

Honey, welcome to our sexist society

@heywhat6676 3 года назад

@Angelina Pattern And men actually use that as an insult- It should be more insulting to them than to us lmao

@Nobody-wo5mb 3 года назад

It’s weird to me that a woman whose independent and doesn’t marry is considered most likely to be gay. It is still defining her by her romantic partners rather than her just being in the world.

@apoorvaranjan9921 3 года назад

True

@holyman5802 3 года назад

I was thinking the same - why does she have to be "queer coded"? I never watched these characters and thought "gay", until someone else points it out.

@juicyparsons 3 года назад

i been saying this too. some women are uninterested or divested from romance entirely

@saltycrunch 3 года назад

Yes! 100%. Society forces romantic relationships, regardless of orientation, as a norm. It's so limiting and frankly irritating.

@reeserichards9283 3 года назад

Damn if you didn't take the words right out of my mouth. We've already identified her independence, need for freedom and strong sense of self. Yet somehow, we can't apply those concepts to her romantic life.

@CortexNewsService 3 года назад

Eartha Kitt falling down laughing about compromising with a man is the PERFECT ending to this video.

@Rell_World 3 года назад

Agree 💯

@EclecticPotpourri 3 года назад

It's my motto.

@spameranne 3 года назад

thanks for the tip, gonna go spoil my supper with dessert first :)

@DockyardDiva 3 года назад

It is a clip well worth watching in full. It is on RU-vid!

@katwebbxo 3 года назад

She's the best 😅

@linaaviles1971 3 года назад

Finally. A trope I can relate to. But I am kind of tired of always being put into a box of being a lesbian. I think it’s important to show girly lesbians and straight tomboys. Gotta break the stereotypes because people are far more complicated than their gender.

@smarti1144 3 года назад

together as friends....that would be a great representation.

@DorotaGabal 3 года назад

@@smarti1144 I have friends like this. They joined my team together. The tomboy is straight. The girly girl is gay. They're both awesome. Mind you, I'm also a tomboy and also straight. I enjoy the attention of girls, flattery is flattery, but I love dick.

@aangitano 3 года назад

Yes! I'm the "straight tomboy" only recently trying to embrace a touch of "femininity" and I didn't like being labeled gay in my youth just because I didn't wear make up or dresses. Why are we so limiting?

@dorothymontrose6371 3 года назад

There’s girly lesbians everywhere in media. Every major wlw relationship is between feminine lesbians. Where are all these masculine lesbians you’re talking about?

@linaaviles1971 3 года назад

@@dorothymontrose6371 I have a great example: when they took Buttercup (the only non feminine Powerpuff and only one to have a love interest) a lesbian in the live action. You also have the badass vampire in Castlevania. And basically everywhere. Maybe you watch a lot of Young Adult stuff so you’ve seen the tomboy straight a lot, but I don’t watch a lot of that so, I haven’t really seen it.

@ikahloayza3530 3 года назад

I don't know, this trope makes me sad. More than an archetype it is treated as an stereotype. Being single, independent and female doesn't automatically make you gay. Why do female warriors have to be seen as one dimensional lesbians? Why can't they be asexuals? Or just strong women who are the perfect match for a strong man? I don't think we should watch a strong woman and automatically assume anything about her. You don't see a wild horse and think "oh, it's gay" or "oh, it's straight". It is just WILD.

@bgos4727 2 года назад

Or someone who just like to be single

@artemis199 2 года назад

Yes!!!!

@a.d.w8385 3 года назад

This is so cliche but I have an Aunt that's like this. She never married and doesn't have kids. Everytime I hear from her she's in another country, living it up with new friends and men. And she's happier than her sister, my mother and all other married women I know.

@harusicornelio5334 3 года назад

Your auntie is my ultimate goal in life!!!

@hambone4984 3 года назад

Literally how I'm trying to live life. I have a husband which I never expected, and he's my biggest cheerleader/partner in crime. It's led to us having an "unconventional" household and a loving wild marriage. He describes me as "you're a wild horse, you can't be tamed and will kick anyone who tries to. All I could do was leave out some food and hope that some day you'd let me get close, but I'd never want to enclose you in a gate; not that you'd allow it." I definitely never planned on getting married or living with someone but also never wanted to live alone forever. And holy crap did I get lucky in finding someone who supports and cheers for me to remain true to myself.

@lauram7929 3 года назад

@@hambone4984 it's kinda demeaning that his best metaphor for you was an animal

@Incompetences 3 года назад

@@lauram7929 Almost all metaphors compare someone to an animal or object. That's literally what a metaphor is. Don't go nitpicking.

@YGOphantom 3 года назад

I just became an aunt and you can bet that I am going to be the cool aunt. Not to brag but I am the ONLY woman in my entire family who chose not to marry or have kids.

@letnahc88 3 года назад

It will be nice when the wild woman can be just that, wild and complete unto herself, without the assumption of being secretly gay since she doesn’t place high value in romantic relationships.

@Mark-pl3bv 3 года назад

Well the romance between Xena and Gabrielle wasn't only subtext. The writers found ways to avoid censorship while still confirming it. Their reincarnations make out after remembering each other, on screen, then are seen living as a married couple, on screen too. There's a sleeping beauty trope as Xena wakes up Gabrielle, her explicit soulmate, with a kiss. They kissed without plot reasons (season 2, "The Quest").

@Evieteresa 3 года назад

They were also repeatedly asked "Are you two lovers?" by that tabloid TV reporter in the episode "You Are There" of season 6.

@katherinemorelle7115 3 года назад

Yeah, the “queer coding” in Xena was as overt as queer coding could ever possibly get. Some straight people still missed it though. Man, I kinda feel sorry for those straight people- maybe they don’t see any deeper into stories because they’ve never had to, but it means they miss out on a lot of depth and meaning.

@ruffethereal1904 3 года назад

@@katherinemorelle7115 I generally don't attribute it to inability to detect the subtleties so much as willful ignorance. If these straight people read the subtext properly, I don't think they'd enjoy the cleverness, to say the least.

@Mark-pl3bv 3 года назад

@@katherinemorelle7115 Back in the day, I'm certain some straight people missed it simply because they assumed everyone was straight on TV and in real life (especially children). But in 2021, I don't think anyone could watch the entire show and deny they were a couple. The text is explicit too many times for that, it would be denial.

@the_glitter_is 3 года назад

Aro ace here. "Alone but not lonely." Never felt so represented & understood in my life.

@sonchik6324 3 года назад

Greetings, my fellow aroace woman!🖐 May the bigots stay out of your life forever

@the_glitter_is 3 года назад

@@sonchik6324😁 And also to you! May we forever be blessed with an abundance of 😸😸😸😸😸😸😸❤

@jolvika 2 года назад

Aroace childfree women here as well! 😏🤘🏽🔥

@konraddygudaj257 3 года назад

“She is free in her wildness, she is a wanderess, a drop of free water. She knows nothing of borders and cares nothing for rules or customs. ‘Time’ for her isn’t something to fight against. Her life flows clean, with passion, like fresh water.”― Roman Payne

@chantelleletourneau72 3 года назад

His novel "The Wanderess", Halsey quotes it in one her songs as well.

@grazielaalmeida8438 3 года назад

Everebody has a deadline, men and women.

@lilil9752 3 года назад

I am not 100% sure Katniss counts,all she did was more in order to protect her loved ones (though she did have a rebellious streak) but i think Joanna fits the trope better if we are talking about the HG

@KatLovin 3 года назад

I agree. Joanna is a better representation of the trope.

@sabertooth1870 3 года назад

Never related this much to a character trope before.

@unicorngirl2923 3 года назад

Same haha

@red_calla_lily 3 года назад

Good for you - it's the best way of living

@leighmercadokfphrdept.2197 3 года назад

Me too as well

@mullethater4223 3 года назад

Me too

@mm4843 3 года назад

@faith Reader i mean, i lot of women from this trope end up dating/having something with a man. I think you mean marriage

@robchuk4136 3 года назад

Merida from Brave is probably more "wild" than Elsa from Frozen, I'd say. But I'm pretty big on "wild hair" being a tell tale sign :P One of the most popular characters on Orphan Black was Helena, the "wild" clone who was also the scariest because she was killer. There's a fine line between "wild" and "crazy" that would be interesting to explore. (Harley Quinn? Killing Eve's Villanelle? Cruella?) Helena grew up practically feral, so that gets into the "Wild Child" trope (do it!) and how the term "wild" when referring to many people, even cultures, is kind of a pejorative- evoking something *dangerous* or that one should exercise caution around it.

@appletree6898 3 года назад

I would love a Take on Orphan Black!!!

@Sandra-rc5uc 3 года назад

Orphan Black is so cool. Very underrated show. It has great female characters. Tatiana Maslany is the queen of acting. I would call Sarah a wild woman as well. She's very punk and street-smart. No one can pin her down. One of the examples why I don't agree with the take that the 'wild woman' is necessarily connected to nature. Love Helena as well. Her and Sarah are my favorites. (Maybe I have a type.)

@needisaymoore2138 3 года назад

The only problem I have with this is it doesn't seem to acknowledge the many heterosexual women who are choosing to remain unmarried nowadays.

@ciarah7740 3 года назад

3:27 I don't think these wild women can really be considered unfeminine when a lot of them fit society's idea of a feminine woman (thin, white, pretty, with short, but not too short hair). It seems like being a wild woman is only acceptable and admirable if you meet these requirements.

@saltycrunch 3 года назад

It's like they are allowed to be transgressive....but only up to a point.

@rhokesh4391 3 года назад

Women can do anything..... as long as they are still desirable to men while doing it.

@sadgyalsada 3 года назад

Because a lot of these women are still “feminine”. I dont think the whole trope is about being a tomboy or butch. Also we already know the problems with film in portraying ppl within their own narrow box considering who a lot of these directors are. I meet women like this I’m real life and they look like any size, any sexual orientation, any style.

@PB-fx6mw 3 года назад

Thank u for this!!

@ciarah7740 3 года назад

@@rhokesh4391 like Serena and Venus Williams are probably way more wild than some of these characters, but they're made fun of because some people think they're actually men 😩

@Spicie95 3 года назад

I feel like I am growing from a Weird Girl to a Wild Woman. My goal is to be a cool aunt, as I am asexual and don't want partner or kids myself, but my sisters do, so I look forward to finally being cool to somebody.

@bacul165 3 года назад

Same! My niece is almost three and last week we had (in her words) a "really big adventure"! Basically I fell into a small river on our way back from the playground... Got her home dry though!

@jolvika 2 года назад

Aww same! As an Aro Ace ChildFree women, I can’t wait to be the cool auntie!

@bibliofiliafull 3 года назад

I don't know, the fact that a woman can be labeled as 'wild' and 'queer coded' just because she doesn't behave like a stereotype sounds pretty heteronormative to me.

@witchplease9695 3 года назад

My thoughts exact. A wild woman can also be feminine as well.

@mm4843 3 года назад

And straight

@kennek1976 3 года назад

like changing Buttercup (power Puffgirls) or the Betty (mom in Rugrats) are now gay rebooted since tomboy, butch straight women are not real or pretty common sigh

@kennek1976 3 года назад

@@kingkris6877 She had a thing for badboys in the 1st series she had a crush on the leader of the Gangreengang at 1 point

@kennek1976 3 года назад

@@kingkris6877 I'm gay and I prefer new charaters if gay. I don't like changing established characters but to each their own

@windflowerrainstorm6497 3 года назад

Im a wild woman / girly girl and boy those two have drama, they need to just chill and get along. You can be wild and girly.

@Zikomo7 3 года назад

Artemis is my favorite greek goddess. I used to think it was sad that she never had a love interest but she had her friends. She was free. Never had to grow up and deal with the pitfalls of womanhood. I imagine a modern equivalent would have her living in a tiny house driving across the country with some pets, making friends and doing what she wants

@EclecticPotpourri 3 года назад

Hey, those are my exact goals!!! I want to build my tiny home too.

@Zikomo7 3 года назад

@@EclecticPotpourri yeah I’m obsessed with them too. If you play sims, the tiny living expansion pack is a fun way to plan how you’d want yours to look.

@sarahereach 3 года назад

Yeeeesssssss, a nomad in an awesome tiny home trailer living on BLM land with a caravan of other single women

@jiggerblayne 3 года назад

I just realized my 10 year old niece is a wild woman and I’m her cool aunt :P

@daniellac838 3 года назад

I am a heterosexual wild woman, when I was younger I thought that I was gay but I’m not but because I was wild, free and independent and didn’t have a boyfriend people always thought I was attracted to other women and made me doubt myself. I think it’s difficult to frame a wild women in a heterosexual relationship because there is a lot of social expectations in the role of wife and mother and that includes a lot of sacrifice and putting others first for the most part, something a wild woman has trouble doing since it makes us feel trapped. It’s true we love fiercely and that’s why we protect and give endlessly, just don’t ask us to give that fire and sense of self that make us feel alive.

@jamieyoung9206 3 года назад

Couldn’t you be a wild cool mother/wife. You don’t have to give up yourself to raise a family. You don’t have to be a “man-hater” to be a wild woman. But you shouldn’t let a man try to control you and tie you down either

@jamieyoung9206 3 года назад

You can actually inspire your children to be themselves

@letnahc88 3 года назад

What an accurate comment! This was perfectly stated.

@aangitano 3 года назад

@@jamieyoung9206 but maybe she just doesn't want to be a wife or mother? Maybe to get either of those things will prevent her from living the lifestyle she wants. And that's ok too! At least she's very aware of herself.

@jamieyoung9206 3 года назад

@@aangitano I’m just giving an option I’m not saying this is what she should do

@TheLeah2344 3 года назад

I always wanted to be the cool rich aunt with no kids but I’m not cool or rich. 🤷🏿‍♀️

@reeserichards9283 3 года назад

Yet. You're not there yet. We believe in you random internet person.

@zerere_ 3 года назад

Yet

@bridgetg6857 3 года назад

There's time. Maybe you'll be the cool rich great aunt!

@nyxtea 3 года назад

I always thought that people who do what they want despite being seen as lame or uncool are the coolest. When someone is trying to be cool, it is pretty obvious to me and makes me perceive them as lame. So you might be cooler than you think :)

@mm4843 3 года назад

Well, i’ll break this whole positive replies to say that she’s probably not gonna be cool and rich.

@carolalbersana 3 года назад

I cried while watching... I have no words. The wild woman that lives in our hearts is so constantly crushed by civilization, it's our job to take good care of her, as the precious treasure she is.

@user-cx6lq8mt5g 2 года назад

I think my favorite “Wild Woman” trope character would be San from Princess Mononoke. She’s a warrior Princess who was raised by wolves and fights to defend the forest from humans who are trying to destroy/pollute it. She’s such a badass character who’s also shown to have a loving, gentle side and her own flaws as well. And I like how she and Ashitaka are never forced into any love triangle like in most movies. They instead remain good friends who respect each other and I think that’s a really great example of portraying platonic relationships between main male and female characters.

@inescastellano7960 3 года назад

Daria deserves her own video analysis.

@chinnyb4942 3 года назад

Her and Jodie Landon

@bellamaz1972 3 года назад

As a proud spinster aunt, would love an exploration dedicated more exclusively to the cool, single, and/or eccentric aunt trope :) It’s been surprising to me throughout the years how longstanding and pervasive the trope is in so much classic and pop culture.

@abandonedfragmentofhope5415 2 года назад

Do you throw 1920s style cabaret performances and balls in your Victorian style mansion outfitted with a bowling alley, disco, water slide and room for your exotic animals with your favorite being your tiger? While you dress in half fur and faux fur outfits, wearing a fedora speaking with a 1930s mid-Atlantic accent and a cigarette on a stick in hand. When you get exhausted or frustrated you throw a tantrum and fall into a chair in a loud melodramatic style. And you whisk your nieces and nephews onto random adventures to faraway countries in your broken down truck or horse and carriage with a chauffeur sitting next to you?

@witchplease9695 3 года назад

Why can’t Elsa just be asexual/aromantic? Or simply not interested in a relationship? Why does being single and happy that way = queer coded in people’s eyes?

@curlyquirks72 3 года назад

I was also thinking that. It’s very obvious elsa is aro/ace.

@mysticc6232 3 года назад

I agree! I liked that she was all about herself. Plus Idina Menzel herself said that Elsa was uninterested in love

@AliciaNyblade 3 года назад

Agreed. When the fan theory that Elsa is gay first started floating around, I rolled my eyes. Like, for once, can we just have a story where a woman focuses on herself because she wants to find herself? And can Hollywood writers, in 2021, PLEASE start writing explicitly gay characters? The LGBTQ community deserves so much more than having representation of it only in just fan theories.

@PokhrajRoy. 3 года назад

I love Marlene Dietrich. She’s fabulous! She dials it up to a 11 consistently 👏🏽

@keishamorris5571 3 года назад

And she aged very well.

@rianbeegles3349 3 года назад

I'm honestly shocked Arya Stark wasn't added to this list.

@conniethesconnie 3 года назад

When they mentioned having wild adventures offscreen I thought of Phoebe from Friends.

@leticiaromaniafernandes9006 3 года назад

Or Korra from Avatar :)

@saltycrunch 3 года назад

Really excellent work. A part of me wishes the wild woman trope would be more separate from queer coding, as it does reinforce some tiresome stereotypes (oh, you don't want a relationship and prefer to be by yourself? must be gay!).

@catdecastro2324 3 года назад

Also someone can be free and wild while in a relationship

@ninamo3523 3 года назад

Artemis/Diana was not the only goddesses who didn't want to marry and chose not to have children.

@vanesalodico7798 3 года назад

Like Athena

@zerere_ 3 года назад

hestia too

@nobody_nowhere_3338 3 года назад

Interesting. Def wanna get more info Greek mythology. It’s been a while.

@bacul165 3 года назад

@@nobody_nowhere_3338 If you liked this video I recommend the books on Greek goddesses by Jean Shinoda Bolen!

@julianovoseltseva614 3 года назад

yes but the other 2 unmarried childless goddesses did not represent the "wild woman". Athena is the goddess of war, wisdom and civilised world (plus she also sides with patriarchy), Hestia is the goddess of the hearth, spirituality and all things home.

@ElkeDragos 3 года назад

Not all tomboys are gay.

@susannairisastarte5192 2 года назад

Some of us are

@kristalcampbell3650 3 года назад

You pointed out the exceptions to the rule but I hate that the rule is that "you can be free to explore yourself and the world OR you can be in a romantic relationship with a man".

@fromasgardwithlove2257 3 года назад

Same. As if you can't do both.

@leticiaromaniafernandes9006 3 года назад

That's my biggest struggle as a feminist

@PokhrajRoy. 3 года назад

Lady Rosamund in ‘Downton Abbey’ was a ‘Cool Aunt’. That could be the Crawley Daughters or the fact that she’s just her mother’s daughter.

@MsDaydream3r 3 года назад

Ever think of doing a video for the Hillbilly Trope? I feel like there are two sides to explore with it. Hillbillies: are they a scathing critique of everything wrong with the South? Or are they an elitist caricature of the lower class? Both?

@takishaedwards273 3 года назад

This is good. I never thought of this

@sita1993m 3 года назад

I would argue that they can be both.

@MsDaydream3r 3 года назад

@@sita1993m ditto 😊

@juicyparsons 3 года назад

SUPER good idea

@Hallows4 3 года назад

I LKE IT!

@KittySnicker 3 года назад

I feel like it was just society at large and not “the patriarchy” that didn’t want Elsa freezing everything in sight - and honestly it’s best not to use powers like that until you get control of them.

@jcm85 3 года назад

I have been deeply studying the wild woman archetype for the last year. The book, Mysteries of the Dark Moon, by Demetra George, was a breakthrough read for me and helped me with better understanding Women Who Run With the Wolves. I think the wild woman is still misrepresented, as Diana is not the only one, and is one of the more gentle versions. I think Lilith is the true embodiment of the wild woman, as she is not accepted like Diana, but misunderstood, ostracized, and condemned.

@caitlyn7310 3 года назад

“The wild woman” trope seems like something created by people who just couldn’t understand women that are far more emotionally mature than those around them. It seems like a lot to do with trauma or literally just being in authentically themselves.

@ADavid42 3 года назад

I read that book: Women who run with the wolves. It uses myths and stories to tell us about our inner strengths.

@vontrude3310 3 года назад

I have this book. Loved it. Check out norwegian artist Aurora - running with the wolves. Great song, great video :)

@mysticc6232 3 года назад

Love this book! It is believed every women had an inner wild soul

@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 3 года назад

I see Aunt Amy and get excited. Many characters of mine are Wild Women. One of them a mouthy former 1950s housewife who is a progressive Irish Catholic who raised her Boomer daughters and Millennial granddaughters to live authentically and unapologetically. I have seen Bridget Jones considered a Wild Woman but she is a passive character, having things happen to her, I think that her embarrassing moments are the result mostly of other people's control. Her friend Shazzer, like Miranda from Lizzie McGuire, is one.

@mm4843 3 года назад

What happened to your name loool

@annarose932 3 года назад

Could you please do a analysis on Ancient Greek god mythology in the media, in how the original stories explained ideas of the time, and how different adaptations of the Ancient Greek god's have been presented in various art forms. Maybe do an episode looking at each of the most represented gods. Maybe starting with Persephone; Hades; Aphrodite; Athena and Artemis.

@vontrude3310 3 года назад

I would love this!

@KariTalks 3 года назад

Similar to this is Lindsey Ellis’ series Loose Canon where she goes through all the different iterations of characters on screen. She has done one on Hades and Aphrodite

@annarose932 3 года назад

@@KariTalks Yes I have watched both of her episodes of Hades and Aphrodite. However it would be interesting to hear about more of the Greek gods in how they are presented throughout media and culture. A analysis on Persephone would be really interesting, or Hestia who is never ever represented even though she was one of the 12 gods of Olympus. And it would be especially perfect for The Take as Ancient Greek god mythology are quite popular currently on TikTok, maybe from Percy Jackson, Lore Olympus and Hadestown!

@AveryTalksAboutStuff 3 года назад

I was obsessed with the flapper aesthetic as a kid and tbh I still am. 😂

@juliannehannes11 3 года назад

Learn hand beading and start cosplaying as one (just ignore their eyebrow trend though)

@PokhrajRoy. 3 года назад

‘The Facts of Life’ was quite ahead of its time. Rory was like Jo 2.0

@papkinn 3 года назад

I wonder how many bad takes this channel will make about Frozen 😂 Elsa's father wasn't scared of his daugher powers because he was a patriarchy, he was totally fine with them until she almost killed Anna because it traumatized him as well as Elsa because dealing with trauma is a massive part of both movies' stories. He's not at any point antagonized or shown as a bad person so claiming he's a patriarchy is... pretty bad specially in context of Frozen 2 that redeemed both parents and showed in more human light. He's just a human being who allowed his trauma to take over and hurt people he loved, basically a mirror to Elsa. To say he's this movie version of patriarchy is to say patriarchy might be flawed but is good actually and that's bullshit Also i find it funny how they claim Anna is sibling that is all about romance just to add in next sentence that Elsa should also care about romance. No need to push amatonormativity on every character.

@phuongNguyen-lj1dr 3 года назад

It also frustrated me to no end that people assume Elsa is lesbian just because she has no boyfriend. Why can't she be single and be happy or she may has no interest in romantic relationship at all, as both movies seem to suggest.

@marvinmaliqati6114 3 года назад

Finally someone who understands it!!!

@marvinmaliqati6114 3 года назад

She can even be asexual, her voice actress hinted at it

@praisethebees3757 3 года назад

THANK YOU! i usually like their videos but this idea of villanizing elsa’s father into the category of “the patriarchy” felt a little lazy with lack of critical thinking. while, yes, there are characters who fit into that category, elsa’s father as a caring protector in a disney kids film which wouldn’t take on such a complex topic, is not an example. also not everything needs to be boys vs girls, let the “wild women” have their own spotlight and voice without needing to be hurt in some way or put into a romance that isn’t necessary, they are their own people separate from that

@mysticc6232 3 года назад

THIS! The take is just obsessed with their feminist narrative and always apply it to most of the meaning of their takes, its ridiculous

@jadziawynter9241 3 года назад

Please do the Hoodoo/Voodoo trope! Or can you do the aromantic trope!

@Nikooru84 3 года назад

I would just love if you guys included a list of the movies you discuss. I often see things I haven't watched or want to rewatch, but sitting here with a notebook, and pausing to write them down, really takes me out of enjoying the video.

@tzaph67 3 года назад

Yes same here. PLEASE LIST THE MOVIES/TV SHOWS!

@vontrude3310 3 года назад

Yes....i do the same

@alicemanderson9605 3 года назад

Yes or it would be so good if they made imdb or letterboxd lists for each video

@lemonringo566 3 года назад

Xena was my first childhood girl crush!

@tzaph67 3 года назад

I fell in love with Xena when I was about 36 and my marriage of ten years was on the rocks. I still think she’s a fantastic character - I think people (but particularly women and girls) of all ages fell in love with Xena - those who didn’t fall for Xena fell for Gabrielle or Callisto lol! Man I loved that show!

@jenm3056 3 года назад

We needed the whole Eartha Kitt clip, come on!

@user-insight 3 года назад

yeah it was such a wasted opportunity!

@witchplease9695 3 года назад

Arya Stark is this, as well a early seasons of Michonne from TWD.

@linaaviles1971 3 года назад

I bet they didn’t add her because Arya is shown to be openly hetero and it doesn’t fit their analysis

@Liolia22 3 года назад

This is extremely relatable at this stage in my life. 🤍 Can’t say if it’s the only character I could *ever* closely identify with through experience. But for now, it’s the wild woman. And I am *not* upset about it. 😏

@littlebee33 3 года назад

just because someone doesn’t want to get married and are more tomboy like doesn’t necessarily mean they are q u e e r (sorry I had to write the word like that bc youtube kept removing my comment) 🙄

@CBMOA 3 года назад

I agree, truthfully as always I have nothing against the LGBTQ and + I just don’t like how anyone label someone fast and all I wanted is that to let the women be free without the necessary of male and or female companions into romance

@PluushPlal 3 года назад

I just realised that a friend of mine who always romanticises herself and the way she (according to herself) appears to others, she talks about herself like she’s the main character in a movie. And it’s *this* role that she wants to be playing. The lone wolf wildwoman. I want to understand her and what she needs, so maybe I’ll learn something here! I just started watching, this is exciting! My role here is the space cadet weird girl, I’m just a supporting character in her movie, but I often break the fourth wall 😁

@florance333 3 года назад

I used to love watching Xena as a little girl but I never realized she was queer 😅 I didn't really think about that, I just loved how badass she is.

@Evieteresa 3 года назад

A few other wild women: Heather (the insane girl confined in Demented Hills who crushed on Ed in "Good Burger") Callisto (from "Xena: Warrior Princess") Evie Zamora (from the movie "Thirteen") Toph Beifong (from "Avatar: The Last Airbender" and "The Legend of Korra") Grace Hart (from the movies "Miss Congeniality" and "Miss Congeniality 2: Armed & Fabulous")

@g.s5366 3 года назад

“She’s supposed to love herself. Ride horses made of water and flirt with forest maidens” ugh isn’t that the dream 🥰

@cravidana1182 3 года назад

Let's not forget that Zeus raped Calysto, she was blamed for it and then she was killed by Artemis. It's interesting to see that paradox between freedom and still serving as the gatekeeper and conforming to the social mores and patriarchy.

@cravidana1182 3 года назад

@CHAD MASTER 4 LIV I actually have written two to three comments explaining everything and this part was just the last part of my comments, but somehow, it was not published. I don't know if RU-vid is messing with me, erasing my comments, I don't know. Anyway, it has something to do because the wild women can also be used as a tool for patriarchy and that's why it's important to not use her as the "girl who isn't like the other girl" and not oppose her to women that might be different. Also, we can't forget that goddesses, even though the myths don't have an author, their transcriptions do and the transcriptions were made by men and through the male gaze.

@alexitimio 3 года назад

Aroace characters: *exist* The Take: 100% lesbian/gay

@archer1949 3 года назад

Outside of Todd Chavez, I don’t think Media creators realize ace/aro people exist.

@swastikqjana7128 3 года назад

@@archer1949 yup...I'm an ace...but most of the time we feel very very left out of LGBTQIA+ community 💔🌈

@red_calla_lily 3 года назад

True - they mention the ace virgin Artemis but later, they default to "doesn't want a man = LESBIAN"

@cgarcia3614 3 года назад

Fair critique. Also it would be nice if a straight lady could be a wild woman without being labeled as queer, but I guess straight people get enough representation already so it's whatever.

@lady_xelas2441 3 года назад

@@scapegoatmiller9110 did you just take a gay slur (that many have tried to reclaim throughout the years) and make it about straight people? One, gross, two, we don’t need to ostracize people based on the sexuality they have no choice in in order to make ourselves feel more included. We can share space without putting each other down.

@MaddyM_1.0 3 года назад

I would love to see more of this trope. Especially with more women of color.

@DorotaGabal 3 года назад

Some exist, but still with more prejudice than the wild woman. It comes with angry woman. I agree with you, better representation needs to be had. Though, I'd say Moira from the Handmaid's Tale is a good start. I respect her a lot.

@eviedegrandpre5268 3 года назад

I agree but there are few that exist. I think some being Moana who is Polynesian or Raya from Raya and the last dragon who I think is East Asian.

@lotusblossom444 Год назад

This. Only white women in this…

@sapphic.flower 3 года назад

“She might have a lot of friends who are girls” *shows the obviously queer coded relationship of princess Xena and Gabriella*

@HungerGames0012 3 года назад

Can you think about doing why the Nicholas sparks movies are so popular? There's gotta be a reason for so many of his books being made into films

@Pinkladyisv 3 года назад

That’s a good idea!

@vanesalodico7798 3 года назад

Or Steven King's books.

@shramanadasdutta3006 3 года назад

You know the Reels/TicTok trend, "I am not the main character but..... ". The wild woman is that.

@mmaannggaa 3 года назад

Loved the mention of cool aunt. Would love an analysis about alternative mentor figures like them

@thetheodora2371 3 года назад

When I was a kid I was really into Greek mythology, and Artemis was my fave. Not to mention Medusa... How am I still surprised about the person I ended up being?

@grazielaalmeida8438 3 года назад

I liked Greek mythology too, and my fave was Athena becouse she's the smart goddess, but I didn't become like her.

@a.d.w8385 3 года назад

Tired of ya'll saying Elsa was definitely gay when she could and has been read as other things by people. She doesn't care about romance.

@kimberleywilliams7802 3 года назад

Idina Menzel (her voice actress) said she was Ace.

@smcphee8499 3 года назад

Aromantic

@nfbconnect 3 года назад

Hi to all my fellow wild goddesses out there!!!! 🐅 💃

@anoni6108 3 года назад

I come from a family of women like this and I have never been happier to be part of it

@DaTa-wm5yc 3 года назад

She‘s typically portrayed as a red head I think😀

@anastasiarose1430 3 года назад

A lot of them definitely are lmaoo

@outinsider 3 года назад

While I still have a problem with outing dead celebrities without their consent and their family's consent, I am drawn to the wild woman because even though I am not marginalized by my gender and gender identity, I am drawn to those who live freely and the wild woman represented and celebrated here is a reminder.

@latedala07 3 года назад

Miss Fisher in Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries is a show that centers the "wild woman" and absolutely does not tame her by the end. And she's canonically in her 40s/50s, which is delightful. She's a really enjoyable character to watch in a fun, mostly silly show. Unlike a large proportion of wild women, she's not really queer-coded, and her relationship with her male co-lead is integral, and one of the sweetest aspects of the show.

@rb5078 3 года назад

So I'm half Wild Woman; half Weird Girl. Cool.

@Okyourite 3 года назад

🤗 we're un conventional

@appletree6898 3 года назад

Same, girl 🙌

@abigailbarber9806 3 года назад

Same!

@zitronentee 3 года назад

Despite this take on MCU's Captain Marvel, I still find it was disappointing character writing. Even when Captain Marvel is a guy, the storyline itself is not interesting. Xena is much better as main character. Even Valkyrie's background story is much more interesting. Edit : if I want to tinker Captain Marvel's story, I'll add a scene : Carol was implanted with false memory that her power went out of control and destroy a planet because of her inability to control her emotion. That way, it's more reasonable for Carol that Kree tell her to control her emotion.

@lee210294 3 года назад

Captain Marvel has a lot of potential as a character, I hope the second one is better written.

@archer1949 3 года назад

As a longtime reader of the comics, I can attest that Carol Danvers has been a hit or miss character, depending on the writer. Marvel’s editorial keeps trying to shove her into the flawless “feminist paragon” box, when she’s at her best as a flawed, almost anti heroic foil to other characters.

@zitronentee 3 года назад

@@lee210294 I hope so. I'm still disappointed there's no Captain Marvel 2 set in space, but The Marvels set on Earth. I mean, I'm really interested on what she was doing during her absence on Earth. What did she do? how many planets has she gone to? I kinda wish they will continue the Kree vs Skrull storyline that may analogy to Earth's World War.

@linaaviles1971 3 года назад

I haven’t liked Captain Marvel in anything. Whether female or male. I’ve always find them to be a boring character and has never had the moment to really stand out.

@LittleMissV 3 года назад

I feel like something between a wild woman and a weird girl. While I learned to enjoy my own company fairly young, I’m happy to have found a supportive sidekick to my craziness-my husband. It’s a shame that tv often portrays independent and strong women cannot settle down in order to be so. You just need a partner that understands and respects your spirit, but that should go for everyone.

@courtneylinn3465 3 года назад

Urgh so you’re suggesting that because a woman doesn’t follow the mainstream path, that makes her gay? I think that is a limited, black and white perspective. While I do note that this is a possibility, it’s not always true. I suggest opening up to more than two versions of women.

@loiscassels8966 3 года назад

I love being the “crazy Auntie” and I’m not gay.

@athenageorgiadis8491 3 года назад

If you feel like you identify with the wild woman trope, you should read "Women Who Run with the Wolves" by dr Clarissa Pinkola Estés. It tells more of her myths and stories from different cultures.

@RichardDuryea 3 года назад

There’s this one character I think of often as a great positive role model for both men and women. She can express her feminine side, does the work of men, she’s very intelligent, cooperative, self reliant, caring. Occasionally she’ll have a man in her life but not for long. Basically she’s married to her job though a few episodes showing the future says that she wants to settle down at some point. That character is Samantha Carter from the Stargate series as portrayed by Amanda Tapping.

@selinakyle9606 3 года назад

do a full episode on Xena!!

@Zosio 3 года назад

This was inspiring and timely, to say the least. I feel like this is the character arc I've been struggling with; accepting myself as the "wild woman" I truly am.

@suzannax 3 года назад

Imagine if Superman became more powerful from connecting with his emotions

@vsantiago2195 3 года назад

Great analysis I love The Take videos sm 😭💗

@laurabrown8161 3 года назад

omggggggg. y'all really did quote Clarissa Pinkola Estes & end with Eartha Kitt laughing. Absolutely sublime. THANK YOU!!!!!

@michaelcain9324 3 года назад

Thank you for showing Katherine Hepburn in Desk Set. It’s the first of her movies I ever watched, how I always think of her (physically) and still my favorite.

@jaquelinecosta3121 3 года назад

Someone commented "Why isn't Arya Stark in this list" and I was wondering too, she would fit perfectly in this trope! An then I realised.... It's because they needed characters to put under the 'queer coding' category (more like queer baiting 🙄) and Arya is not gay. The point of this analysis should be that women can be strong, wild and independent and not need a partner regardless of their sexuality but they made it seem that if you're like that then you're probably gay...it's a really forced "reading between the lines". Besides most of the focus on these stories is about the girl or women finding themselves or just being comfortable in being themselves and this doesn't necessarily has to involve their sexuality. The focus is on them and not what partner they could have, especially when they don't want to, so it doesn't really make sense speculate about it. (Obviously Valkyrie is a different case because it was in explicit in the comics)

@linaaviles1971 3 года назад

I just wrote this exact same thing under a comment asking that!

@debbiemoore2747 3 года назад

Thank you, thank you, thank you. As a proud wild woman. I am 100% hetero and it is videos like this that make me feel seen and proud, proud to be wild ❤

@Faaade_ 3 года назад

Is it weird that certain parts made me really emotional? I never saw Frozen. Her father's words here, whew! Ive never really fit anywhere but I actually relate to this soo much. Ive always been a one woman army. I have great friends but at the core of it all, I work hard to stay true to who I am and spend time alone to constantly grow.

@bakuhatsubutsu 3 года назад

I wish I was a Wild Woman, but I think I just don't have social skills:/ Maybe there's a thin line between "cool aunt everyone looks up to" and "weird aunt no one wants to invite anywhere".

@Okyourite 3 года назад

Me too.

@PokhrajRoy. 3 года назад

“Come on, Gabrielle! Let’s get wet!” Reading between the lines? Done!

@CortexNewsService 3 года назад

Yeah... I think the line got washed away there. :)

@empressb1243 3 года назад

Stay wild moon child! 🌙💜💫 Edit: Eat, Pray, Love is one of the best wild woman movies I've ever seen.

@SeArquiteteMininu 3 года назад

I have an aunt who is the perfect example of a "cool aunt" - she rejected marriage (my mum told me she has left some broken hearts along the road) and lives just for music and to travel the world whenever she has money for it. I love her to bits, even if she drives me mad with her attitude sometimes (she tries to boss everyone and wants things only her way like a real Aries which conflicts with my Leo disposition, lol).

@stephennootens916 3 года назад

I remember watching Xena when I was in junior high and I never enough noticed the lesbian subtext I must have thought that was how female friendships were. It didn't help that the show was seen as having largely a male fan base.

@davidalves31057 3 года назад

Eda Clawthorne from The Owl House! She qualifies.

@greenghoul157 3 года назад

Just because you are not traditionally feminine and not a traditional romantic and you have a strong will don't let anyone get you down, we live in a society

@asnab140 3 года назад

I LOVE THIS CHANNEL !

@pacificostudios 3 года назад

Rebecca Nora Bunch from "Crazy Ex-Girlfriend" is definitely a "Wild Woman" except that she is obsessed with finding and settling down with a man.

@PokhrajRoy. 3 года назад

‘Xena: The Warrior Princess’ was too much for my innocent mind when I saw it on TV.

@deeptea8 3 года назад

Thank you. I felt at home watching this trope unfold. 💕

@suhavikaur9667 3 года назад

Seeing Eartha Kitt at the end made me so happy

@saraprice5555 2 года назад

I think I found my trope. For some reason I've always been obsessed with having complete freedom and despite being grateful for my friends and family I still prefer traveling by myself. I also want to live in the woods and just be everyone's cool aunt.