The Win 9x SSD Multiboot Adventure 

"Oh my God, I moved the move command and it doesn't work anymore" is my favorite quote of 2018 so far.

Druaga uploaded a 30+ minute SSD video Worlds are shattering

"Oh my god I MOVED the MOVE command!" I died

an hour of Duraga1 without it being a stream, today must be something special in it's own way.

*YOU MUST INSTALL PRINTER TO PRINT FROM WINDOWS*

Love how Druaga does the most painful and rabbit hole inducing install method - An OEM Windows 98 CD-ROM will always insist on being installed on a new machine exclusively - unless you change the install type to the files behaving like a FULL Retail version. :D Love the multi-partition option though.

>Windows Vista running in a Windows ME VM I laughed for a good two minutes reading that. I have to see this, I just have to.

If you install Windows 98 and then Windows 2000 on the same partition you can dual boot 2 OSes on the same partition. Back in 2000ish I had 5 OSes running on 1 partition. NTLDR is the key.

I was there for the stream that showed this multiboot dilemma, Druaga1 using (and setting up) a quad DOS/Win95/Win98/WinME boot setup.

The error of "Divide by zero" or "Error 200" can happen if you are trying to run early dos software on either a P2 with a clock greater than 330mhz or a P3 with a clock greater than 550mhz. This however only affects the startup of the program, meaning that if it happens on a dos program running on top of win95, you can nerf the usable capacity of the processor by burning ressources using a program like CPU Killer. Once the program is loaded you can stop CPU Killer and run the program at normal speed.

I underclocked my Duron 950 to 650 with the pencil trick a couple weeks ago and it worked great! I was definitely on edge while waiting for it to post though.

"Make XP run on unfavourable conditions" There is a post on a forum I go on that got XP to run on a 2Mhz Pentium. Lets see Druaga do that!

Not much better than coming home, getting a cup of tea, and watching an hour long SSD Adventure. You moving the move command with Windows 98 was too much fun!

This video was most likely the most interesting video in a while, still go back to looking at this to this day.

One of your best videos, and with the best editing! 👌

that livestream was fun! lol watching you get pissed off really cracks me up.

Hey Druaga1, been really enjoying watching all your youtube videos, they are very informative and entertaining, please keep them coming dude.....cheers!!!!

Another stellar video Druaga! I'm glad to see that you were able to get the various releases under the Windows 9x family installed under a single disk, even if those installations had to be broken down into separate partitions. Trying to get different versions of Windows to install to a single partition, while having each one be bootable, would have certainly been a nightmare! It's a good thing disks can be broken down into multiple partitions to allow for this sort of environment. Having a kick-ass boot manager certainly helps as well!

Druaga1: "I moved the move command!" Man, your videos are great!

I watched the stream and it was really fun

Bonus points for playing those mod's in the background. Takes me back. :D

this seems like one of the most successful druaga1 videos of all time. nice work getting this working. you put a lot of effort into it. thanks for a great video

I love how his very professional looking diagram had the word "shitty" on it XD.

7:07 omg thats the legendary ABIT KA7-100. I used to have that board. It wont work with a p3 because it is a AMD board, Druaga. You need a Athlon slot A cpu. OMG I knew that motherboard looked familiar in the thumbnail. I loved that board, it was chock full of every plug/socket/feature on a consumer motherboard at that time. A real flagship model. It's only weakness was the shitty via chipset/chipset drivers which would make the os microstutter and the bad cap problem as yours suffered from. The bad cap problem robbed me of that awesome board from me too. :/

You can use an old version of Acronis OS Selector that lets you do this sort of thing and still have all drives readable by all OSes IIRC.

Maybe don´t put a pentium 3 into an AMD Athlon board ^^

This video is like a fever dream but better :DD (I mean i really enjoyed it, keep it up Smoker :D)

Glad to have been a part of the stream! :)

some stuff that may/may not help for future windows issues: use the DEBUG command to totally disable windows file protection, use the AT command to log on as the SYSTEM account, use folder and registry permissions to prevent data from being read or writen by clicking 'deny' for all users (including SYSTEM) in the security dialog. Also take a look at the trick where you switch the names of utilman/sethc and cmd in order to open a command prompt at the logon screen.

I remember using BootStar back in the day to get 95, 98 & Me working on seperated partitions.. by now I guess there's a plethora of those tools for the job.

That PC is overkill for XP. I was running it quite happily on a bloody Cyrix 6x86PR150 with 192MB RAM and that's below its minimum specs.

always good to see a Druaga1 video man, keep it up!

OMG AN HOUR LONG VIDEO. YESSSSS

1:47 - Can see by your diagram that you're missing some stuff - Linux can be made to boot from a FAT32 partition and NTLDR can chainload it, or the Linux bootloader can load NTLDR, or you can use a DOS-based or alternative bootloader to load all of those. As well, you could install WFW 3.1x (1x, 2x, and 3x are basically shells so I'm not counting those), NT3x, NT3.5x, and maybe some flavor of OS/2? As you mentioned there's 98, but then also 98SE (they are distinct OS versions). I don't know if we should count OSRs for 95, but if we include pre-release there's some Chicago builds that are pretty unique enough to count as their own thing perhaps, and there's also Neptune.

I used to multiboot 98 and 2000 on a compaq 7792dmt on a 40gb drive, I just had 2 primary partitions. Windows 2000 setup detected the other and allowed me to switch between at boot.

For the c/h/s settings, you can use a small utility called whatide that will report to you the proper settings.

Fun streams, and glad to see the result!

Trying to install more than one version of windows on the same partition won't work because of the directory names among other things. You can change the name of the main windows folder during the install eg c:\windows to c:\w95 but all installs will still try to make and use c:\program files creating permission and file version errors. It is possible to install multiple w9x installations on the same partition however. What I did in the past was make a batch file that ran before windows started and it would change c:\win1 to c:\windows or c:\win2 to c:\windows depending on which option i picked in the batch file. It didnt matter to me that both windows used the same c:\program files directory. I could still install 3rd party software like msoffice etc the same as usual. It didnt cause a problem and I didnt have to worry about windows mangling the bootsector because to windows there was only one os installed.

You need the full version of Win98SE, you are trying to use an OEM copy. I'm only half way through so don't know if you'd actually solved. OEM will only allow a clean install, other option would be Partition Magic, had a boot manager Boot Magic if I recall.

9:11 - You should be able to install 95 on a 1Ghz+ machine if you patch the relevant files in the installer the same way you would for the end result OS. Underclocking works too, of course, but software solution is better for having a copy that works anywhere for the future. Could also install it on an unrelated machine and then copy the folder over and manually tweak the OS for the new machine (same for any 3x/9x OS).

I need more channels like this

If I'm not mistaken, with this method (or a very similar one) you used you could install as many OSes as your hdd/ssd size and hardware compatibility allowed for if you used an extended partition with logical partitions inside. Like, booting from only active partitions is a native MBR limitation, and as far as I know, having the BIOS boot from the MBR code sector and then delegating to the PBR code in the partition is how ntldr, bcd and grub could boot linux and modern windows from logical partitions until uefi and gpt made the whole thing irrelevant. I have vague memories of installing win98se on a logical partition and booting it with Boot Magic (a boot manager from the creators of Partition Magic) waaay back in the day. But I might be misremembering.

Was at the live stream, watched this when it came out, love your content, keep going towards your goals

What is with the hunt's tomato sauce can time 9:27

weed.

I honestly didn't know about the Blender in 98 video for a long time, I just somehow completely missed it in my notifications when it came out.

hoo boy, it's time to see the final result

This video was the greatest. I want reactos added to this 9x multiboot

can you run programs from the other partitions on each o/s by keeping one partition active but not hiding the others. might be able to then limit the amount of programs installed, keep the latest versions that work across operating systems

i enjoyed watching the stream live

hey druaga can you please show off a computer like in the orginal ultimate dos machine video?

F7-MAN!

This was enjoyable to watch but having used different partitions felt like cheating. If you already knew how to used GRUB, doing this would’ve been trivial from the get go. Stream was really fun to watch though even if I missed 99% of it

just started the video but, Windows NT 4 and earlier will not boot from a fat32 partition. only fat16 or NTFS. its a pain i know, I attempted to dual boot windows 9x and NT together too

I have a computer with DOS/Win3.1 on one hard drive, and Win95 on another, and I rigged a hardware dual boot switch to set the jumpers without opening the case.

Dunno if anyone still pays attention, but some music in this video he used is a track or two from Uplink, if anyone happens to know that game.

Have you heard of XOSL? That used to be my personal go-to for doing this exact task! And it's pretty ;-)

Is there a new React OS video coming anytime soon, would love to see if compatibility has improved

I installed Win95 (the USB support version) on a period-correct computer my friend's parents gave me from their basement, and the installation just worked. No protection errors, nothing. Granted, it's a 200MHz Pentium 1 with 48MB of RAM, but I'm also not much of a computer wizard so I wouldn't understand any errors anyway without the internet.

Would it work to have two partitions.One, the one that you will use in the end (and install the first OS) and the other to install 98, then copy it windows folder to the first partition manually.. then format the 2nd and install ME, and repeat?

It's easy to remove and solder new caps on motherboard.

Not watching the streams seem to have payed off. I prepare for PAIN! (If that was even in the streams, idk) (yup, this was in the streams, and it was PAIN) (Thank you Druaga, very cool!)

love teh uplink musix... love u

always great content

Uplink music at 36:45 and 45:50 ! Anyway, Windows' own bootloader should have handled multibooting from different partitiotions without any issues. Not sure of DOS though.

I know this is like, YEARS later, but you'd actually want to use lilo, as that was what was used at the time, supported Windows booting, and allowed for multiple partitions and the like.

I have an 5 OS multiboot System on my old Laptop, starting from Windows 95 to Windows XP. it Works! Just installed every System On its own Partition.

Was that AMD k6 board out of a mini tower HP desktop? It looks so familiar.

can somebody tell me what's the name of that watch? I think it's a Casio but which model, it looks nice

So, seen first 5 minutes, Few things to remember, Windows 95 OSR2 and OSR2.5 would be required for fat32 support, Ohh, and NT 4.0 does not have Fat32 support out of the box, you might be able to find a 3rd party driver, but its unlikely that you will be able to make a bootable NT4 partition with Fat32

34:00 looks like he descended into insanity

You just need to rename WIN.COM and from that moment windows 98 will not see windows 95

the protection error is beacuse windows 95 is not compatible with virtualization, you have to disable it (well it does that w/ my VMs)

There's actually a program that allows you to unlock Windows 95 to use more than 1.0 GHz on AMD processors or 2.1 GHz on Intel processors.

*_os tan theme song starts playing_*

I'm currently in the process of installing a motherboard I recently scored, in a case, it has a 3.2Ghz Pentium 4 CPU on it, not sure if it will actually boot, but decided to give it a try, if it does boot, I'll see if I can build an XP machine out of it, I do need to get hold of a good AGP graphics card though cause I don't have one, I only have one spare PCIe graphics card that came out of an Apple computer, but it works with PC motherboards.

the Ultra Boot CD site is dead, at least I have an ISO of it on my HDD.

Little Correction: you called the thing at the start of the disk Bootsector. Technical it is a bootsector but more specific would be MBR (Master Boot Record). Bootsector most often refers to the PBR (Partition Boot Record). The DOS or Windows Installation writes a Standard MBR which just chainloads the bootsector of the active Partition. You replaced this chainloader with the xfdisk Bootmanager, wich lets you just select the Partition to chainload to and mark ist temprarly active to not confuse Windows.The DOS or Win9x Setup also writes the PBR to load the IO.SYS, wich is the DOS Kernel and DOS than is used as a Bootloader for Win 9x, which runs it's own Kernel. Win 9x wants exactly that DOS Version, which it ships with, that is 7.0 for Win95a, 7.10 for 95b&c and 98 and 8.0 for ME. As you already knew you can load diffrent Windows Versions via a config.sys Menu, given the DOS Version fits. As you have Windows 95b it can use the same DOS as 98. All newer DOS Versions (I think all except 8.0) have the ability to load an older DOS Version via F7 from the same partition. So it may be even possible to load the DOS 8.0 from DOS 7.10. So would not call multibooting with a single partition impossible yet. In the worst case I could write a Bootloader to load another DOS from the same Partition. Btw: you can reinstall the DOS (PBR, IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS and COMMAND.COM) with the SYS Command. If you install a NT based Windows and have a 9x based installd, it will save the current DOS PBR to a file befor it installs it own. NT

Hey smoker, tried quite the same in ~2000 with same results. 3rd party boot manager/multiple partitions did the trick, never got 95/98 installed in one partition. I did however use PowerQuest BootMagic (later Norton) which has a way nicer 9x style GUI. Also check out their PartitionMagic. It even runs from floppies.

Love the WinAmp playing MODs.

@Druaga1 The windows protection error was a common issue in the windows 9.x family. A temporary fix is to rename smartdrv.exe and rmm.pdr to the following: * * smartdrv.exe--> smartdrv.ch rmm.pdr--> rmm.ch Note, for the second file, you need to change the attributes on rmm.pdr before renaming it to rmm.ch. Renaming rmm.pdr * Boot to DOS Next, type C: and press enter Then use the following: * cd\windows\system\iosubsys and press enter Next type the following: * attrib rmm.pdr -r -s -h and press enter * Lastly, ren rmm.pdr rmm.ch and press enter Once rmm.pdr is renamed, restart the computer to see if the issue persists. * Renaming smartdrv.exe Boot to DOS * Type C: and press enter * cd\windows and press enter ren smartdrv.exe smartdrv.ch and press enter * Once smartdrv.exe is renamed, restart the computer to see if the issue persists.

Hey Druaga, have AkBKukU check out the Intel RC440BX motherboard and that other board with the bad capacitors. Just an idea :)

What a mint video

Win95 has a problem running on a CPU with a clock speed above 350Mhz

22:00 wow lmao i cant believe it let you move even the windows folder that was hilarious

I remember this live stream I jumped in for a couple minutes

Multi-boot* and Dual-Boot are quite bizarre but it is fun to do and it's very safe! *multi-boot requires a 3rd party software

Back then very few people installed Windows by themselves. And who did was knowledgable enough. We all read magazines about the new "Whatsoever" operating systems and all the quirks and flaws and peculiarities that came along with it. We all knew beforehand that installating Windows 95 needed much patience and bravery and yes - restarts. I remember installing Windows 95 once on a Pentium 90 system and the setup would crash often. After restart it would resume work until the next crash happened - rinse and repeat at least 5 times. Depending on additional hardware like sound cards, graphic cards, modems, network cards and SCSI cards one could expect a lot of crashing during installation.

I get that 'Windows protection error' bullshit on a Win98SE machine I built. Still not sure what the hell that's about.

Hey Druaga, if you will install windows vista on VM try use another emulator than Bochs, because bochs is many slower than others :)

If you want a Win 9x period multi-boot manager; Try Powerquest's "Bootmagic." Such eye candy compared to the free options at the time.

Of Linux has taught me anything when installing multiple OSes the bootloader has to go last or atleast the os bootloader that's gonna load everything else

welcome to the channel that is the home to the windows protection error and one dude losing his marbles because of it. and absolutely nothing else.

Next time you could try using GRUB4DOS, it's full fledged grub but made to work with DOS & WIN partitions so no additional Linux partitions to make it work

All hail Extended Fdisk!

its ultimatebootcd actually if you are looking for it

Install OS/2 on an SSD. Have fun! I remember I spent an entire afternoon setting it up in a VM and my uncle said, "If you demand less from your operating system, try OS/2!"

Can an image copy of this SSD be copied to a VM and will it work?

The bad cap board is a Slot A (for early cardstyle Atlons) Slot A and slot 1 are the same... Wikipedia says this: "Slot A is mechanically compatible but electrically incompatible with Intel's Slot 1. As a consequence, Slot A motherboards were designed to have the connector's installed orientation be rotated 180 degrees relative to Slot 1 motherboards to discourage accidental insertion of a Slot 1 processor into a Slot A motherboard, and vice versa. The choice to use the same mechanical connector as the Intel Slot 1 also allowed motherboard manufacturers to keep costs down by stocking the same part for both Slot 1 and Slot A assemblies. " tip: if you ever go for a slot A, get a "goldfinger" module as well (for overclocks), or you can get a slocket (slot/socket converter) and put in an early, pre-XP socket A CPU (you can also get them for Slot1/socket 370 and easily mod them for Tualatin support by shorting out certain pins) Slot A boards are also quite rare, so i'd recap the one you got if it's not in the trash...

WINDOWS NT HAS A BOOT LOADER, I DID THIS WITH MULTIPLE DRIVES and got up to 7 windows 7