@@samuelmuiruri4704 he was just a kid. He'll go to juvie, get abused hardbody, develop tons of issues, come out an absolute killer, put in work until he's killed or arrested on a serious adult charge and given life. That's the saga of the Hitter on this show.
Yep. It was his downfall. Avon always knew what he was. Maybe it limited him, but he didn't try to play both sides like Stringer did, and he didn't want to be anything more than he was. Marlo was the same.
both of you two are arguing a backward point..stringer was preaching to avon to stop dropping bodies while avon is screaming to not drop one body...regardless of the body it brings blow back..cops dont care about fiends getting high, but when u start mixing bodies in it thats where u fucked up
The hypocrisy of Stringer: he pretends to be someone above the street mentality, but consistently relies on violence whenever he doesn't get his way. Horrible person, but brilliant character.
Mkc N He is responsible for three of the most tragic deaths on the show. Wallace. Brandon. D'Angelo. He also slept with Dee's girl to get inside info on him and tried to play brother mouzone and Omar
@JeremiahMahan and? Brandon's death was tragic? Seriously? Also, you do know that Avon put the hits out on Omar, Brandon, and Bailey, right? Brandon robbed them. But what the fuck do you idiots expect him to do, let D'angelo and Wallace take them down? Avon is also, partly responsible for Wallace's death too. It's funny how people conveniently forget about that. Him killing D and sleeping with his girl is the definition of gangsta, that's the shit 2pac and other studio rappers rap about. But you do know that D cheated on her with Sharlene and they broke up? You don't know what you're talking about. Too many of you biased and hypocritical fools.
Everyone loves Slim because he's so for real- he knows exactly who he is and shows no front. That's why Avon can just say he's a "rough and tumble nigga" and know he won't get offended.
Slim is so underrated, what a great character. He's the only "muscle" character on the show that isn't a total piece of shit (unless you want to count Cutty or Michael). A man must have a code.
This is why I don't like Stringer. He looks down on his people and views them as a means to an end, while Avon values the people under him. Stringer was ready to throw Slim's life away because his community college attending ass thought he was smarter than he was.
lol that had me dead slim was like fuck no dude I ain’t killing no political figure string was dumb enough to give his money away to a crooked politician I like how at the end Marlo was in the room full of political figures and his lawyer said don’t get in a room alone with these wolves love this show it’s shows that no matter if ur street or a dude in a suit everyone is a wolf but u can’t go after someone that’s in power
Stringer: "I gotta remind you who the fuck you work for?" Avon: "Aye yo, I think Slim gonna have to sit this one out BOSS." lol he threw it back in Stringer's face who's in charge.
the worst part of all this is that Stringer had a "day of the jackal type nigga" in Brouther Mouzone, but he betrayed him almost instantly. I have no doubt Brother could have handled that work
Artie the Swolest Man in the World Well the Jackals took their assassination jobs on the grounds that they'd never have to work again. Then again they were targeting the President of France and a First Lady of the United States, higher profile than a state senator like Clay fuckin' Davis.
Brother was Avon's hitman, Stringer was just passing orders. Thats why when Brother showed up, Stringer was pissed cuz he knew how Brother got down "All business with proper intel, no questions just payment" type of dude. Cuz had String been handling business Brother wouldn't been needed. LOL tryna win them Away Games caught up to him.
Damn Slim is a no-nonsense, straight up soldier. “Whatchu need?” “Who we hittin?” He knows his place while still being able to stand up for himself when he has to.
@@laaa7833 Because Stringer was trying to be someone he was not, and Avon was reminding him that he was out of his element and had to learn to do things the new way or not play at all.
MrKajithecat still standing tall at the end and even though he changed sides (he did it without burning bridges) And stood by the code even when others didn’t, Omar saw that and sparred his ass
***** Here an away game is when your sports team plays away from their home stadium ie every second game. I guess the US equivalent would be "on the road."
RossKempOnYourMum01 in this context he mean doing something out his normal ..... drugs is his thing ... not being a corporate business man ( away game) sometthing he use to is home
Avon owned String in this scene.''Mr Businessman''wanted to resort to violence after his money was taken from him.His anger and ego wanted him to lash out not wanting to understand the ramifications of his actions.Avon showed real business sense in this scene.
+Steven DaviesSteven I don't know if he intended to own him, I think he wanted to say I told you so without belittling him too much in front of Slim Charles. Either way it was a great scene. The best series I've ever seen.
He owned String every time. String was dumb as hell. If you're going to go illegal you go all the way, if you're going to go legal, you go all the way in that direction as well. You can't dabble in both and survive.
I can agree to a certain extend because you could tell that Slim was still loyal in a sense...even if he didn't agree with Stringer. He was still down for the hit with the exception of a political figure...
For all of Avon's hot-headedness, you can see he knows where the line is. It's actually Stringer that is getting overly emotional here, usually it seemed the other way round
An away game is one you play away from your home field. In other words, Avon is chastising Stringer for being out of his element/in over his head when dealing with the big end of town. He should have stuck to their world instead.
This is that turning point for Stringer right here....he seriously felt humiliation, when his orders were suddenly negated, while he was the #1 while Avon was doing time, now he has to try to go around Avon - so he tries to get him locked up again.
Great acting from all three characters here... especially Slim, he sees and understands that Stringer isn't thinking straight here but shows that he knows his place...
Really just proof that stringer never liked slim, he considered him a threat but also thought that community college made him smarter than everyone lol
It wasn't a diss. He's just saying political assassinations are another level than what happens in the street. They're all rumble tumble niggas. That's why he references Day of the Jackal. People in the hood don't get involved in that shit.
Stringer tried to fly too close to the sun and got burned. Avon knew it was gonna happen but he loved string so much he let him play that game. Avon knew his place, stringer didn't
S E2333 I don’t agree. Stringer didn’t listen to his lawyer. Stringer thought he could cut out the middleman, (lawyer), and deal with Davis on his own. THAT was just ONE of his mistakes.
I'm just impressed Avon's read or watched "The Day of The Jackal" Stringer may have been the "brains" of the two.. But Avon wasn't no muppet, He seemed like he was pretty well educated himself.
I think one thing The Wire tries to show is that a lot of people in the hood are intelligent/knowledgeable, but because of.the expectations of their surroundings and the outside world, they don't get too many opportunities to show it off. The basis for Season 4 seems like all of the boys could have been educated people with important jobs, but they weren't given the resources to utilize their skills. And Omar is a big Greek Mythology fan, but he doesn't have many people to talk to about it.
javixm its "shit string, murder aint no thing..." not "...straight murder aint no thing..." I know those thick East Coast accents can be hard if you're not used to them
I always loved the role reversal in this scene. Avon had always kind of been portrayed as the reactionary street dude, and Stringer was the visionary who had to rein him in sometimes, get him to play it smarter. So it was fun to have a scene where Stringer was the one in his feelings, ego tripping cause he got hustled and wanted to drop a body, and Avon had to temper his reactivity.
Damn, Idris plays this character so good, especially this scene at the very end. "Well... ha, he gotta go." You can just see the frustration and embarrasment in his face, knowing what a fool he's made of himself.
Stringer's aspiration is to be a Michael Corleone type figure. One of the greatest triumphs of the show is the depth of futility to those ambitions. The institution he comes from and lives in is too self-destructive at its core to harbor an anomaly like Stringer Bell for long, and that's how it plays out. The world he seeks to infiltrate has too many closed doors and watchful gatekeepers to ever be accessed by Bell. To them, there is no difference between Stringer and Avon. Amazing irony.
thats the thing it can be done but you need a much stronger operation going on. Im sure someone like the Greek operates or could operate at the level that Stringer wants to be
the scene that made SLim Charles a fan favorite. SLim was always around but something about this scene "You mean DOWNTOWN Clay Davis...........Damn Strang I don't know"
Andro Libre The general audience was so happy that Slim killed Cheese, is why I think that scene was Slim’s most epic moment!! But this scene was truly great too
Slim looked down when String looked at him cause he want String to feel like he still got power over him. A real wise decision to not outshine those with power...even if it just illusory power.
+fleshcookie What you just said is a microcosm of nigga mentality: Always knocking someone for trying to broaden their perspective.There's nothing wrong with trying to look beyond the horizon. The bigger the ambition, the bigger the potential missteps. Shit, Avon and Stringer have lost more money from trials, police busts, dudes messing up the count etc than the relatively paltry sum he lost from Clay Davis. What all these cats didn't realize is that the saying "the game is the game" applies to City Hall as well. Stringer was just beginning to play. He's supposed to take his lumps here and there. If he hadn't been merked, he would have gotten much better at playing. Getting hoodwinked by Clay Davis is the cost of tuition. Shit, more experienced poli-trick-tians have been swindled by Clay. Remember Carcetti?
I respectfully disagree my good people. Not a question of smart, he has no instincts for his environment, that's because he's not ten toes on the street, so his judgement's off.
if you think about it, 'playing fucking away games', is such an intelligent line appreciated by a devoted sports fan. well played by writers of the wire.
Certainly one of the most intelligent lines in the entire series where great lines are as abundant as green grass.....always to be expected. That line by itself, considerably raised the bar. Another favourite line was 'that sentimental motherfucker just cost us 900 grand.' Love, love the wire!!!!
It's great the way Avon walks over to stand beside Slim, taking his side, and Stringer is left alone on the other side of the table, in his suit and tie, being scolded. Great direction as always.
Thing about The Wire though, is that after 2 or 3 years of watching the entire show you can go back and watch the whole 5 seasons again and enjoy that shit. Was the first TV show i watched from episode 1 season 1 to finish. Awesome show man.
By having Slim "sit this one out" he makes it clear who Slim works for. If Slim really worked for String do you think Avon would have the power to do that?
@@FearsomeVoid sum people understand that their worker bees and good at it and dont want nomore than they can bare as anything more even if their more than capable.💁
My response at 0:44: "SERIOUSLY, Stringer?" Even I could tell that was biting off more than he could chew. No way, no how. A state senator may be corrupt, but he's ABOVE the street stuff. Remember season 1, when y'all were freaking out when you ACCIDENTALLY shot a COP? Davis is an ELECTED OFFICIAL. And really, after all that business about doing things like a businessman, Stringer falls back on being a gangster the first time he gets played, instead of cutting his losses? Sad.
I'm just some Canadian guy and I say ..... The terrible thing about that would’ve been Stringer snitching on whoever did that hit! Because Stringer was really a sniveling baby when shit didn’t go his way. And he would’ve told on everyone in the drug game to get himself released!
Avon and Slim stayed in their lane, they knew what they were and didn't pretend otherwise unlike Stringer. Ironically it's Marlo who got everything Stringer sought his entire life yet the former never appreciated it, he just cared about power not the money.
I feel like Stringer vastly underestimated his competition. Not just here, but when you look at how he died - dude tried to play off two of the most brutal and code bound killers in the streets and didn't think it would come back to bite him. He's a perfect example of someone who thinks he's smarter than he actually is. He and Avon were a perfect team when they weren't working against each others interests but Stringer went on an ego trip and started playing everyone off each other and viewing everyone as pawns in his chess game. He felt he was above the game when he wasn't.
When Stringer Bell wants to act like a soldier, Avon acts like a business man. When Avon acted like a soldier and wanted to start wars, Stringer was there to calm him down. Some Greek tragedy balance shit right there. Not mentioning the "real" Greeks...
This series is so deep that I feel like it has meaning too. Maybe Stringer pouring the brandy into a plastic cup shows his connection between the business world (brandy) and the ghetto (plastic cup), but he can't seem to separate them (drinking brandy in a plastic cup) so he tries to assassinate a State Senator and even hood dudes like Avon and Slim (who even goes as far to say that "murder ain't no thing") can see that it's stupid.
The irony of playing the song "Locked up" they won't let me out! In the background sums up what would happen going after Clay Davis. He's untouchable in the street world.
Lol, after a while, this scene can be funny. Avon sayin gangsta wild, tellin String that Slim is just a regular rumble tumble soldier...lol Avon made him remember why he was the better overall leader for the streets
For everybody thinks Stringer is smarter than Avon.... Did Avon see it coming? FUCK YES. And tell you what....one of the reasons people loved to work for Avon...he isn't really a businessman. He calls himself a "gangster I suppose" but he cares about friends. Stringer is his best friend, Stringer fucked up hundreds of thousands of their money...Avon bitched at him...but did he disown him? He didn't even really bitch about the money, he was trying to wake Stringer up.
Avon was always the smarter of the two. He knew who he was and what kind of life his skillset was suited to. He knew that "away games" weren't a part of THE game.
no offense Slim, the Jackal is largely known only to devoted film fans. I don't see how Avon would know it, unless he is movie buff or he read the novel while in prison. don't shoot an Irishman if he comes to west Baltimore, cheers mate :D
mrderrickmcguinty Man, it is so possible to see Day of the Jackal without being a movie buff. I mean, he could accidentally catch it on TV or something. That movie isn't too old, Avon could like it easily. And although he probably don't know that much about cinema, he must know at least couple of classics, this one being one of them. I have a friend that I think only knows Butch and Sundance of all old movies, but he always likes to mention it in conversations. I don't know, maybe he thinks he looks smarter doing that. Maybe Avon is that kind of person, too. And then again... maybe he is a movie buff. I sure as hell would love to talk with him about some good ol' hitman movies like Le samourai, Blast of silence, This gun for hire and shit...
mrderrickmcguinty What a ridiculous thing to say, like all inner city kids are illiterate or something. Day of the Jackal isn't high cinema, it showed all the time on classic TV when I was a kid, and even if it was only known to "devoted film fans" hasn't Avon showed a giant capacity for intelligence by this point in the series?
