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The World Over June 27, 2024 | MORE TLM RESTRICTIONS? Msgr. Charles Fink with Raymond Arroyo 

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Msgr. Charles Fink, priest of the Diocese of Rockville Centre, NY and contributor to TheCatholicThing.org discusses the possibility of new, more stringent restrictions from the Vatican on the celebration of the Traditional Latin Mass, and his latest column, "No Mercy for Latin Mass Lovers?".
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@sandraelder1101
@sandraelder1101 5 дней назад
Why bury our treasures? I love that the Catholic Church has so many beautiful varied rites. Rubies, diamonds, pearls, jades. They’re not in competition.
@coconut7812
@coconut7812 4 дня назад
Please Do Not take out the Traditional LATIN MASS. Lord have mercy!
@EdwardBray-i1w
@EdwardBray-i1w День назад
No such thing as Traditional Latin Mass. It's a misnomer on many levels.
@Denis.Collins
@Denis.Collins 7 часов назад
TLM is meaningless. If you mean the Tridentine Mass then say so.
@enterprisebaby2467
@enterprisebaby2467 5 дней назад
This Catholic cannot comprehend this. In my city the TLM is bringing more people than ever to Mass. The majority are young people; many with children. Why on Earth is the Church denying people the right to choose the Mass they want to attend, whether it be TLM or Norvis Ordo?? Why??
@johanneslutgens5038
@johanneslutgens5038 5 дней назад
Some people weaponized latin mass against other Catholics; one of reasons of restrictions. Fsspx and so do not get restricted.
@JoellHedges-dm1mu
@JoellHedges-dm1mu 5 дней назад
@edmlondon; “I” think you are a fake. Any Catholic who goes to a Traditional Latin Mass, “never” wants to go back to a vernacular Novus Ordo debacle.
@michellemcdermott2026
@michellemcdermott2026 5 дней назад
I​@@edm-london1660I attend Mass in the vernacular but Latin is the universal language of the Roman Catholic Church. I would be fine with returning to Latin.
@littlerock5256
@littlerock5256 5 дней назад
The conciliar religion and the Latin Mass seemingly cannot coexist, even the transitional 1962 with its altered Canon.
@femaleKCRoyalsFan
@femaleKCRoyalsFan 5 дней назад
​@@edm-london1660If you want Aramaic go to Maronite. I don't think that was ever a traditional language....it was Hebrew Latin and Greek on the sign above Jesus on the crucifix
@jerryritchie1080
@jerryritchie1080 4 дня назад
We all need to tell Rome that we want both Mass or no more $$$
@luannputman9102
@luannputman9102 5 дней назад
I don't understand how mortal man can ban something that is of Christ.
@joejohn1492
@joejohn1492 5 дней назад
If you knew how the Tridentine mass developed you would know that only limited elements are from the apostles
@stephenarachtingi8678
@stephenarachtingi8678 5 дней назад
@@joejohn1492 Pope Pius XII clarified that all developments which came about after the Apostles (and were ultimately consolidated and blessed in Quo Primum under Pope St Paul V) were directed by the Holy Spirit. He also clarified that "returning" to a more "apostolic" liturgy which dismisses any of those ancient or medieval developments in the liturgy is an error and even heresy.
@InExcelsisDeo24
@InExcelsisDeo24 5 дней назад
All mass is Christ’s mass. Mass ia not being banned.
@leaverus
@leaverus 4 дня назад
Nourish is right. The novus ordo lacks nourishment.
@nforbiawa5916
@nforbiawa5916 5 дней назад
No mercy for Latin Mass lovers! I am a Religious, am about to be dismissed from my congregation because I expressed love for the TLM
@InExcelsisDeo24
@InExcelsisDeo24 5 дней назад
I’m sure there is more to the story. There always is.
@littlerock5256
@littlerock5256 5 дней назад
The Latin Mass, even the transitional 1962 with its altered Canon, cannot seemingly coexist with the conciliar religion.
@revelation1215
@revelation1215 4 дня назад
Then your congregation is not Catholic. Find a new one and live!
@nforbiawa5916
@nforbiawa5916 4 дня назад
​@revelation1215 Am on it. 😊
@femaleKCRoyalsFan
@femaleKCRoyalsFan 4 дня назад
If you're in the usa, try Benedictines of mary queen of the apostles or mother Miriam's Benedictine order...I know mother of Israel's hope is part of the name.
@ninaluz8710
@ninaluz8710 5 дней назад
Only Satan loathes the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. 🙏🙏🙏
@EdwardBray-i1w
@EdwardBray-i1w День назад
True. And Satan, by extension, attacks the Pope. Let's see if people can breach the gap.
@GotChrist12000
@GotChrist12000 4 дня назад
The TLM is so pure & good. So reverant to God!
@priscillatutuvanu9799
@priscillatutuvanu9799 5 дней назад
All ages Attending the TLM .We learn from each other the real present of jesus. In the holy communion. We come under the same umbrella as Catholic all over the World. love one another as i love you ❤The father ❤the son and the Holy. Ghost. Come holy spirit fill the hearts of the faithful and inkindle them the fire 🔥 of thou love ❤
@upstatelynchmob
@upstatelynchmob 5 дней назад
How can Quo Primum and Traditionus Custodus coexist within the church?
@sergesavard636
@sergesavard636 5 дней назад
They cant when progressives are in control.
@littlerock5256
@littlerock5256 5 дней назад
A pope is not bound by the liturgical decisions of a predecessor.
@mn17771
@mn17771 5 дней назад
​@@littlerock5256 Is that a Teaching of the Church?
@littlerock5256
@littlerock5256 5 дней назад
@@mn17771 Yes. Pope Pius XII: The Sovereign Pontiff alone enjoys the right to recognize and establish any practice touching the worship of God, to introduce and approve new rites, as also to modify those he judges to require modification.
@sandraelder1101
@sandraelder1101 5 дней назад
@@littlerock5256 Please share source. Thanks.
@upstatelynchmob
@upstatelynchmob 5 дней назад
Good anecdote about the unity that the Latin Mass brings 😊
@marthayt5001
@marthayt5001 5 дней назад
They have no authority to cancel the TLM! This is the mass of ages, Jesus promised the gates of hell shall not prevail. Sacred heart of Jesus protect your church!!
@CherubChick1221
@CherubChick1221 3 дня назад
Thank you for informing us on this. I went to Adoration last night and prayed for Mercy on Holy Mother Church 💞💪🙏
@CJP9694
@CJP9694 4 дня назад
Because it’s of the devil to stop the TLM.
@marthayt5001
@marthayt5001 5 дней назад
Interesting that the devil hates Latin...
@carlospacheco7361
@carlospacheco7361 3 дня назад
So does the man in white
@carlospacheco7361
@carlospacheco7361 3 дня назад
So does the man in white
@CJP9694
@CJP9694 4 дня назад
After decades, we have to stop lowering the bar of the NO, ie, validity. The Mass and culture changed for the worse.
@femaleKCRoyalsFan
@femaleKCRoyalsFan 4 дня назад
Its not about the language- its about the order of worship. Plus one universal language uniting the whole church makes more sense. Tge TLM has God at the center. At a novus ordo, the vernacular mass, sometimes you can't even find the tabernacle!
@bobhartman2571
@bobhartman2571 3 дня назад
The reason the pope is doing this is because the young can't understand Latin and think its boring to sit through. So, instead of enhancing the Latin mass with interest & excitement, the pope wishes to abandon it.
@stanleykong9736
@stanleykong9736 3 дня назад
Hi! Raymond, am from Singapore & have been following your broadcasts. A good move to break up the broadcasts into bite sizes. Many thanks for the insights into church affairs. Maybe the subject of Papal infallibility can be given further elaboration. Regards & God bless, stanley
@cynthias634
@cynthias634 2 дня назад
TLM's sacred silence heals us and it absolutely unifies us the most prefect form of adoration.
@revelation1215
@revelation1215 4 дня назад
1977 the year the US Catholic Church became Protestant.
@JD-HatCreekCattleCo
@JD-HatCreekCattleCo 5 дней назад
I am not Catholic, I am Lutheran. I cannot understand the Vaticans hostility toward this form of worship. I have done a lot of study to understand the Catholic faith and the split that caused the “protest” Protestantism. I have found the beauty in the Catholic Church and reverently respect the rigorous intellectual tradition of the early faith and Catholicism. During COVID I became disappointed and dissatisfied with the Presbyterian church I belonged to and attended Catholic Mass, largely because they were the first to open. I longed for liturgical worship even though I could not receive the Eucharist. When the Lutherans were next to open I started attending there and have fallen back in love with the liturgy of my youth. Such is Protestantism, the freedom to pick and choose my worship style and practice. There is nothing in the scriptures that requires a membership card for salvation. Yet I understand and respect the Catholic hierarchy, the requirement to be led from the top, and have uniformity. When Protestants disagree, we just take our ball and go home, and open a new church. This also is no way to run a Faith. Ultimately I believe that God is at work, I know that God is at work, somehow it will result in a correction and perhaps more autonomy in individual Parishes or Diocese which will allow some more freedom, because of the dissent from many Catholics.Of course this is coming from a Protestant….🙏
@InExcelsisDeo24
@InExcelsisDeo24 5 дней назад
The Holy Father isn’t against the mass, he’s dealing with fringe extremists who weaponise latin form and use it to divide. The mass isn’t the issue. A fine example of why we can’t have nice things.
@domburton
@domburton 4 дня назад
​@@InExcelsisDeo24I go to the Latin Mass. Have for 13 years now. Call me fringe? Judgemental non? The pope is attempting to cancel every diocesen Latin Mass. I don't go go to mass with fringe thankyou.
@ShepherdMetalBand
@ShepherdMetalBand 5 дней назад
Raymond Arroyo said “We have not independently verified this story”. Then why report it?
@jwm6314
@jwm6314 5 дней назад
For clicks. JMO, this is the Vatican sniffing out leaks. I hope they find the leaks. It is not becoming of Rome. It interferes with the Holy Ghost and the specific graces granted to the men who administer The Church.
@ceuser3555
@ceuser3555 5 дней назад
You could not even wait for the Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI to pass away before releasing Traditiones Custodes. Are you that impatient? Imagine reversing Summorum Pontificum while Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI was still alive? He must have been so devastated. Please resign Pope Francis. Save your honor, if there is still any of it still left.
@femaleKCRoyalsFan
@femaleKCRoyalsFan 5 дней назад
He released TC while Benedict was still alive...In july 2021
@ceuser3555
@ceuser3555 5 дней назад
It’s so sad and makes me angry. For it, he should have either stepped down voluntary or be forced to step down. This man has no honor.
@jwm6314
@jwm6314 5 дней назад
God is eternal. What was true, is true, and will always be true. The TLM is law. It can never be rescinded, that would mean it wasn't true when it was issued. Ex Cathedra decrees are infallible. Do you believe the teachings of the Catholic Church? To be Catholic is to believe all of her teachings, without exception. We are Christ's body. The hand does not rebel against the will of The Head. Any ban on the TLM is as invalid as a nuptial mass for sodomites.
@mn17771
@mn17771 5 дней назад
​@@edm-london1660 Pope Saint Pius V has forever settled and established the Traditional Latin Mass: MAINTAINING THE COMPLETELY UNCHANGED LATIN ROMAN CATHOLIC MASS DECREE QUO PRIMUM, POPE ST. PIUS V, JULY 19, 1570: "By this our decree, to be valid IN PERPETUITY, we determine and order that NEVER shall anything be added to, omitted from, or changed in this Missal. . .At no time in the future can a priest, whether secular or order priest, ever be forced to use any other way of saying Mass. And so as to preclude once and for all any scruples of conscience and fear of ecclesiastical penalties and censures, we herewith declare that it is in virtue of our Apostolic Authority that we decree and determine that this our present order and decree is to last in PERPETUITY and can never be legally revoked or amended at a future date. . . And if anyone would nevertheless ever dare to attempt any action contrary to this order of ours, given for all times, let him know that he has incurred the wrath of Almighty God and of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul."
@mn17771
@mn17771 5 дней назад
​@@edm-london1660 Prove it.
@mn17771
@mn17771 5 дней назад
@@edm-london1660 It is the Deposit of Faith that cannot be changed, being composed of Sacred Scripture and Tradition. Enjoy your peace.
@mn17771
@mn17771 5 дней назад
​@@edm-london1660 It is of no interest to me which Mass you prefer to attend. I only ask that everyone be given equal opportunity to attend the Mass of their choosing. Pax Christi.
@littlerock5256
@littlerock5256 5 дней назад
@@mn17771 Francis's intent seems to be to remove the choice of the 1962 missal.
@cecillebarone9252
@cecillebarone9252 8 часов назад
Love and miss gregorian chant and latin mass
@Oldparson220
@Oldparson220 5 дней назад
Many will go off to the groups outside of church jurisdiction.
@sandraelder1101
@sandraelder1101 5 дней назад
Sadly, that is already happening. I wouldn’t be surprised, though, if some younger priests start offering some of their N.O. masses ad orientem and in Latin. One in my area does.
@littlerock5256
@littlerock5256 5 дней назад
@@sandraelder1101 Lipstick on a pig. It's still the novus ordo.
@sandraelder1101
@sandraelder1101 5 дней назад
@@littlerock5256 It’s where Our Lord is made Present on the altar. Are you sure you want to disrespect it.
@littlerock5256
@littlerock5256 5 дней назад
@@sandraelder1101 Irreverent novus ordo masses are all too common. Those presbyters who do it and allow it and the lay people who attend are the ones being disrespectful. It has been demonstrated that the novus ordo, even done at its absolute best, is invalid.
@revelation1215
@revelation1215 4 дня назад
Rome has lost the faith.
@marynagy8072
@marynagy8072 4 дня назад
Prophesied in 1846 at Lasalette to Melanie Giroux by Our Lady of Sorrows. True.
@dannyharvanek3908
@dannyharvanek3908 3 дня назад
To change historical moral norms!!
@joshdalf9493
@joshdalf9493 5 дней назад
Look, I don’t want more restrictions and I don’t want the current ones. That being said, part of my annoyance with both sides is that we’re supposed to continuously wonder why the restrictions have taken place, when Pope Francis has told us why he’s done it. (It’s in the accompanying letter of TC) And he’s right that those things are an issue. His diagnosis is correct, but I don’t like the treatment plan, and I wish he’d just go after the errors directly.
@Mike-JMJ
@Mike-JMJ 5 дней назад
Well thought out response. Many people fail to recognize that Pope Francis does not want to restrict particular liturgical expressions "just because." He's doing it because a plethora of bishops from around the world have expressed concerns that a small but influential minority of individuals are attempting to use traditional liturgical expressions to further their personal ideologies -- undermining the unity of Catholics. Although there is room to debate the "invasiveness" of treatment, to your point, the diagnosis is correct and some form treatment is needed.
@femaleKCRoyalsFan
@femaleKCRoyalsFan 5 дней назад
There are more liturgical abuses in the vernacular liturgy than in the mass of the ages
@davidoneill9244
@davidoneill9244 5 дней назад
@@Mike-JMJ What rot!! How can something which was beautiful for centuries suddenly become a weapon for personal ideologies? Far from undermining the unity of Catholics the EF Mass in Latin serves as a cement to keep us all together. The 'treatment' is worse than the cure & simply exacerbates the illness of modernity being imposed on OUR Church
@sandraelder1101
@sandraelder1101 5 дней назад
Well said
@MillionthUsername
@MillionthUsername 5 дней назад
@@Mike-JMJ That's a ridiculous excuse for flat out evil behavior of attempting to ban the mass. No one can ban the mass.
@cynthiagonzalez658
@cynthiagonzalez658 4 дня назад
Bergoglio Mussolini strikes again 😑😡
@elidaocampos7811
@elidaocampos7811 3 дня назад
You can’t go back either. We are in the 21th century. People don’t even understand all of them will start praying the rosary during Mass again. Why people and some priests and bishops are against what the Pope decision. We just have to respect.
@CJP9694
@CJP9694 4 дня назад
Dancing, etc are all sources of disunity.
@robertkrieg1141
@robertkrieg1141 День назад
I can’t take anything Raymond says seriously.
@michaelhouck8985
@michaelhouck8985 5 дней назад
Dog food that some doggies simply do not want to eat. Your Episcopalian brethren have had Rite I and Rite II options, frequently available in the same parish, for half a century or so.
@JohnFDonovan-by1nt
@JohnFDonovan-by1nt 4 дня назад
For bourgeois left of center For left leaning bourgeois "catholic" European intellectuals like the Grillo, the chirping cricket, a very shoddy "liturgical expert" who has the Vatican's ear the TLM not only attracts theologically conservative Catholics it also attracts in Europe (more so than in the US) Catholics who are also politically conservative. The Grillo regards TLM communities as the cradle of neo fascism. Many TLM European Catholics oppose the secular political agenda of the WEF. One stunning example is Matteo Salvini, the former head of the Legua Nord in Italy who is against the open borders policy of the EU. At one rally, Matteo, who, to my knowledge, attends the TLM in supporting Italy's Catholic culture, waved his rosary beads. The Italian bishops and the Vatican had an attack of apoplexy. What Matteo did was like waving a crucifix or garlic before the undead. The conservative Georgia Meloni, Francis' nightmare version of a woman in power, on her first visit to Francis gave him Maria Montessori's explanation of the TLM that she wrote for children. Hint Hint!!!! The TLM crowd offends the anti nationalist and globalist ideology so beloved by Francis and his minions. The reason why you cannot find a valid religious reason for this hatred is that the hatred uses a thin veneer of religious blather to mask its dislike of the fact that the TLM crowd stands in the way of certain political creeds and beliefs. If the church is to be the acolyte for the new world order, then those whose political opposition is grounded in the Church's traditional teachings must be neutralized. TC and the coming restrictions are about ensuring the Church serves her new masters, and it is not Christ!
@Denis.Collins
@Denis.Collins 7 часов назад
Galloway is what would probably be described in the U.S as far left. It doesn’t stop him appreciating the old Mass.
@stevegryka4964
@stevegryka4964 4 дня назад
WHAT?
@sueadauctus3306
@sueadauctus3306 3 дня назад
God has the right to be worshipped in the best way we can worship Him. That's the TLM. Thanks Raymond.
@sandraelder1101
@sandraelder1101 5 дней назад
It would be really cool if a TLM were offered during the Eucharistic Congress in Indy!
@femaleKCRoyalsFan
@femaleKCRoyalsFan 4 дня назад
Check lifesitenews, I think there is one planned at an alternative site but not the congress itself
@marynagy8072
@marynagy8072 4 дня назад
It is, nearby.
@marynagy8072
@marynagy8072 4 дня назад
I think it is Lifesite News that gives a youtube brief about the proximate location of where it will be offered near the Congress.
@sandraelder1101
@sandraelder1101 4 дня назад
@@marynagy8072 I meant AT the Congress.
@marynagy8072
@marynagy8072 4 дня назад
@@sandraelder1101 yes 😇 I understand what you meant - this is definitely at the Congress, as proximate as they could get, and legitimate. It is happening precisely because of the Congress at this location. I will try to go back, get info and post it to you, if you are attending.
@tomgervasi4653
@tomgervasi4653 5 дней назад
I need help, how do you spell *Hermeneutic of suspicion? Using it in a sentence: "The people in this EWTN clip appear to be operating with a *hermeneutic of suspicion and rupture. Im bad at spelling.
@nancymorgan8180
@nancymorgan8180 5 дней назад
Latin mass needs to continue. I was raised with Latin mass, but I haven't been to a church still practicing, nor do priests know how to read Latin anymore.
@sandraelder1101
@sandraelder1101 5 дней назад
Latin is relatively easy to read. ALL seminarians should be taught how to celebrate at least the N.O. in our mother tongue!
@marynagy8072
@marynagy8072 4 дня назад
Latin language is still taught in local high school.
@sptomase
@sptomase 5 дней назад
I hope the next Pope fixes the NO to make it reverent then require every church to say both the TLM and NO. Let people pick.
@danielagiovanazzi2055
@danielagiovanazzi2055 5 дней назад
Or ban the Bogus Ordo because it is of protestant origin and weakens people's faith.
@femaleKCRoyalsFan
@femaleKCRoyalsFan 5 дней назад
Please watch the mass of the ages trilogy documentary so you can see how much they REMOVED to create the vernacular one
@upstatelynchmob
@upstatelynchmob 5 дней назад
To fix the Novus Ordo would be to reinstitute the traditional Mass.
@sptomase
@sptomase 5 дней назад
@@femaleKCRoyalsFan I’ve watched it. I go to the TLM so I can see the difference. The NO is valid though. Any exorcist will tell you the Eucharist from the NO and the TLM both get the same reaction from demons.
@user-kb1gk6ty2v
@user-kb1gk6ty2v 5 дней назад
It won't happen. The cardinals are stacked with uber-liberals, homos, pedos and non-believers....the next pope will be worse than Bergoglio.
@amdg2023
@amdg2023 2 дня назад
No latin Mass but all the titles of these ignorant decrees must be in latin lol.
@Monk_Life
@Monk_Life 5 дней назад
Pope Francis, I LOVE YOU!
@davidoneill9244
@davidoneill9244 5 дней назад
Love the sinner but hate the sin!!!
@jwm6314
@jwm6314 5 дней назад
So do I, which is why I pray for him. St. John Vianny says that a priest goes to heaven or a priest goes to hell with a thousand people behind him. How many follow a bishop then? The Pope? How great his reward or how dire his punishment will be, it is a heavy office.
@alphacharlietango969
@alphacharlietango969 5 дней назад
Raymond, you are being schizmatic. Just kidding.
@davidoneill9244
@davidoneill9244 5 дней назад
Learn to spell SCHISMATIC
@danarose6314
@danarose6314 5 дней назад
@@davidoneill9244 Raymond Arroyo?
@Neekohlass
@Neekohlass 5 дней назад
I do wish that the EWTN network would report on news rather than speculate on what may be news, even admitting that this report is not "independently verified." I just see the liberal news doing this narrative rather than reportive news, I wish EWTN would differentiate from, rather than embrace, this method.
@jwm6314
@jwm6314 5 дней назад
Not knowing if it is true risks calumnity and solicitation all in one swoop. Rumors are rumors, but untrue rumors are lies about people, and spreading them publicly tempts others into further spreading said lies and becoming wrapped up in that sin as well. I hope the people running this channel are catechized Catholics and not random people who don't know our ways or what standards we are expected to uphold.
@ShepherdMetalBand
@ShepherdMetalBand 6 дней назад
It may be imprudent to restrict the TLM but isn’t it obvious that the reason why there is discussion of restrictions is because some people who attend the TLM try to make it seem that the Novus Ordo is invalid, irreverent, or even evil? Have you really not encountered that yet?
@ryanscottlogan8459
@ryanscottlogan8459 6 дней назад
Francis is a heretic.
@WT-Sherman
@WT-Sherman 5 дней назад
Why punish all the other faithful Catholics who attend the Traditional Mass because of some perceived bad apples ?
@ShepherdMetalBand
@ShepherdMetalBand 5 дней назад
@@WT-Sherman That’s why it may be imprudent. However, the TLM community should probably try harder to silence the “bad apples”.
@joefranks4235
@joefranks4235 5 дней назад
That's not true! I am devoted to the TLM and attend the TLM offered by the ICKSP. None of their priests ever speak of the NO mass nor do they even talk about issues relating to what this news broadcast is addressing. The ICKSP is very careful of what they talk about during sermons and homilies. The ICKSP is more interested in saving souls.
@WT-Sherman
@WT-Sherman 5 дней назад
@@ShepherdMetalBand The only bad apples I’m aware of are a few You Tubers. I attend a diocesan Traditional Mass parish, Vatican II is never mentioned. You will find a much higher percentage of dissent against Catholic teaching in a New Mass parish . ( contraception, abortion, same -sex marriage, etc ). It’s not even close. Should the New Mass be eliminated ?
@colinwithonel
@colinwithonel 5 дней назад
The fact that young people attend it is not actually that important, nor even that some might find it more attractive in form. Young people attend many things and these can be good or bad. People are attracted to many things and these can be good or bad. Even to say that because one type is old therefore the new must be suspect, this is not always correct. What matters on this particular issue, however, is whether the entire Pope and College of Bishops, who decided that we are doing the Ordinary Form of the Mass from the 1970s onward, and who have continued to maintain that this is the Ordinary Form to be the normative liturgical celebration in parishes, as what Vatican II decided should be done, whether this is to be given the respect owed by the laity to those whom Christ gave authority to do so on behalf of the Church. For many who attend the TLM, there is an open rejection of the Pope and Vatican II. For others there is an implication that these are somehow lacking next to the TLM. Whereas others are simply enthusiasts of the TLM, special devotees of traditional Catholic practices. There is often a blurry line between these three groups, and often these people do not realize just how Sedevacantist or anti-Vatican II they have become as they have entered into this lifestyle. If you believe the Novus Ordo is somehow flawed or invalid, or simply deficient in some way, you are already on the wrong track, because it is not just a devotion to tradition at that point, but a rejection of the norm of the Church and the Church's magisterium. And that is the beginning for some to journey all the way to full Sedevacantism and all the lies it cherishes. The problem is that the line has to be drawn, and you have to pick what side you are going to be on, with the Pope and the Bishops of the Holy Catholic Church who back Vatican II and the Ordinary Form, or a rigid type of Protestantism.
@mn17771
@mn17771 5 дней назад
Canon Law of the Catholic Church: Canon 212 §2. The Christian faithful are free to make known to the pastors of the Church their NEEDS, especially spiritual ones, and their DESIRES. Canon 213 The Christian faithful have the RIGHT to receive assistance from the sacred pastors out of the spiritual goods of the Church, especially the word of God and the SACRAMENTS. Canon 214 The Christian faithful have the RIGHT TO WORSHIP God according to the prescripts of their OWN RITE approved by the legitimate pastors of the Church and to follow their own form of spiritual life so long as it is consonant with the doctrine of the Church.
@colinwithonel
@colinwithonel 5 дней назад
@@mn17771 Limiting the Extraordinary Form does not affect your right to make desires known to pastors. Nor to receive the Word of God and the Sacraments. And these are two forms of the same Rite, to quite Benedict. But we have no right under canon law to demand a certain form over another be offered, especially a form that has been restricted. And we have no authority to claim that one form is a higher spiritual good than another, or that one form somehow fails to fulfill the needs of the faithful, and especially when the particular needs of the faithful sought are supplied within the Ordinary Form of the Mass, namely, the Word of God and Sacraments within the valid celebration of the liturgy. So these particular canons are not a basis for remedy even if the TLM were 100% restricted from any priest in any diocese, order, institute, etc. Because the underlying principle is that the Ordinary Form is the valid and normative expression of the Catholic Church's liturgy. And to suggest that this is somehow not true, well that is the very problem that needs to be addressed.
@mn17771
@mn17771 5 дней назад
​@@colinwithonel Limiting TLM is infringing on the right of the Faithful 'to follow their own form of spiritual life' since it makes it increasingly difficult and/or financially impossible for many of the Laity to attend a TLM, whilst at the same time making the Novus Ordo Mass readily available in every local parish. Both Masses are valid, so what legitimate reason is there to restrict one and not the other? BOTH options should be available locally.
@colinwithonel
@colinwithonel 5 дней назад
@@mn17771​​⁠we can say that it should be a certain way all we like, but its not up to us. The reason is already established, the will of the Council was to reform the liturgy, and for it to be acceptable for the whole Church as a sign of unity. Not to make a separate rite and let a segment of the Body run a long campaign against it, and refuse to call it valid, and to contradict the will of the Council and all who follow it, and to lead the faithful into believing the established norm is somehow bad or invalid.
@mn17771
@mn17771 4 дня назад
According to the Canon Law quoted, it is the right of the Laity. The Church exists to serve and save the people. Both Masses can coexist peacefully. Those who cause dissent over or weaponize the Mass are disgraceful reprobates and should be dealt with separately. Suppressing TLM to punish these people is essentially weaponizing the Mass in reverse, and is equally reprehensible and grossly unfair to the vast majority of Massgoers. What must Jesus think of these shenanigans?
@tomsut123
@tomsut123 5 дней назад
LATIN MASS SHOULD NOT BE ANYMORE, THERE FIBS GOING AROUND FROM THOSE WHO LIKE LATIN MASS, THAT YOUNG PEOPLE LIKE IT, BUT IT ACTUALLY STOPS PEOPLE AND ESPECIALLY YOUNG PEOPLE FROM ATTENDING MASS, WHILE THERE ARE SOME WHO HAVE TO STRUGGLE TO LEARN WHAT LATIN MEANS, OTHERS WHO ARE ATTENDING MASS ARE ALREADY ADORING AND LOVING GOD WITH ALL THEIR HEARTS , MINDS AND STRENGTH. THE CONTENT OF THE HOLY MASS IS FAR GREATER THAN ANY LANGUAGE.
@danielagiovanazzi2055
@danielagiovanazzi2055 5 дней назад
What utter nonsense! I know many young people in their 20s who are married with lots of young children who attend the TLM and it is growing. This is the true Mass of the Ages. Not the protestansised Liturgy of the past 50 years.
@mjbaz1
@mjbaz1 5 дней назад
If you visited Mater Eclessiae Parish in Berlin, NJ you would see how wrong your supposition is. The parish is all-Latin, all the time. And it has young people, and lots of young couples, with children. And there has been numerous vocations to the religious life, more than 10.
@gracieobunny9916
@gracieobunny9916 5 дней назад
There are approximately 800 attendees at my TLM parish, a good 70% are under 60, many many in their 30s and many with young kids. I’m 58, never grew up with it but definitely love it. Young people love it. Also Latin is NOT primarily why we attend. Don’t be foolish. That is such a nonsense thing to say to anyone attending the TLM. However Latin does bring unity. At one time you could travel anywhere and “get” the same Mass… the local language is in the Missal. I barely know Latin but read in my language. It’s the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, that’s all anyone needs to know.
@michellemcdermott2026
@michellemcdermott2026 5 дней назад
Latin is the universal language of the Roman Catholic Church
@femaleKCRoyalsFan
@femaleKCRoyalsFan 5 дней назад
I go to Latin mass because it is ordered towards God not man. Its the mass of the saints
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