The World's FASTEST USB Drive Has a Problem.....

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The Western Digital Black P50 Game Drive uses the new USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 interface, making it capable of speeds up to 20Gbps. That makes it technically one of the fastest USB drives in the world but during testing we came across a few problems.
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@HectorDomino. 4 года назад

USB "Three Point Two Gen Two By Two". The spec itself sounds concerning!

@Anton-cv2ti 4 года назад

It's so dumb

@1sonyzz 4 года назад

whats wrong with just naming usb 3.5 or usb 4.0....

@muddybloody 4 года назад

@@1sonyzz because it makes sense. Tech companies don't like that. Check intel's latest cpu names for example.

@kalmtraveler 4 года назад

every time I hear that I think "two by two, hands of blue". Bonus points if you get that reference.

@bradhaines3142 4 года назад

@@racerex340 they dont use the nomenclature outside of slot, or type i guess you would call it. they dont call the part that, or the slot that, itd be m.2 2242 or mini pcie, and then you have to worry about the keying, but no weird ass names

@WayStedYou 4 года назад

So wait a year and buy one for half the price with all the bugs fixed? sounds like an AAA game release.

@mauriceelet6376 4 года назад

isnt that what tech is like allways? i dont buy brand new anymore if i dont really really need it now or the use cycle is shorter. a monitor works what? 5-10 years and you maybe want a new one because of features? I have a really exspensive gaming "setup" around 15k retail price and payed about 30% off average so lets say 10k. i got my 9900KS for 450€ because its a bin reject (IMC is not the best but i do 4x8GB RAM OC so no problem) and a MX XI Formula for 380€. that was about 280€ less than what i would have payed off the shelf and that shit is nearly new. sometime you dont even need a year to get a discount

@robertt9342 4 года назад

WayStedYou ... It's the problem living on the bleeding edge.

@silure9502 4 года назад

Sounds like AMD products !

@lasarith2 4 года назад

WayStedYou I’m actually amazed that the Samsung 2TB T5 is £352 (at lest on their website)

@muddybloody 4 года назад

AAA games' bugs get fixed now? I thought they only get partially patched to give micro transactions a chance to milk gamers even more.

@kendokaaa 4 года назад

For those confused about the USB naming: USB 3.2 Gen 2 2x2: 20Gbps (bits not bytes) USB 3.2 Gen 2: Previously USB 3.1 Gen 2: Previously USB 3.1: 10Gbps USB 3.2 Gen 1: Previously USB 3.1 Gen 1: Previously USB 3.0: 5Gbps I know, WTF

@AlphaMachina 4 года назад

Wtf, why did they change the name so many damn times

@teemuleppa3347 4 года назад

yeah, linus made a rant about the naming scheme

@und4287 4 года назад

Just name them 3.0, 3.1, and 3.2 (bottom to top)

@theunholybakery1990 4 года назад

Whoever came up with these names shouls perish in hell

@Rainbow__cookie 4 года назад

i will just say usb 2.0 usb3.0 usb 3.1 usb 3.2 becuz these names are confusing

@BjornsTIR 4 года назад

They should never have redone the USB naming scheme. like isn't this what usb 3.2 was? Isn't 3.2 gen2 now what 3.1 was and 3.0 now is called 3.2 gen1?

@cydonia9342 4 года назад

3.0, 3.1 gen 1 and 3.2 gen 1 are the same. (5gbps) 3.1 and 3.2 gen 2 are the same. (10gbps) 3.2 gen 2x2 is dumb. (20gbps)

@mika2666 4 года назад

@@cydonia9342 it's all dumb, it should have just been 3 = 5gbit, 3.1 = 10gbit, 3.2 = 20gbit

@neonlost 4 года назад

@@mika2666 woah there that actually makes sense

@mattfm101 4 года назад

I never imagined I would laugh out loud to a description of a new USB standard.

@muddybloody 4 года назад

Which is a dark omen. Imagine what these ppl naming their children.

@somalipirate7890 4 года назад

@@muddybloody Kevin 4.2 third gen 12x

@frozengamer3030 4 года назад

USB gen 2×2 square root of 2.

@IrelandVonVicious 4 года назад

1.41

@635574 4 года назад

They could have called it 2 squared

@jGRite 4 года назад

@@635574 they could have called it 3 then 4 then 5.

@Stunex 4 года назад

I've just recently bought one and I'm using it primarily as a portable virtual machine. So far I didn't encounter any weird problems and the ones presented aren't really a concern for me. Good video tho, could be quite a game changer for other potential buyers. I'm almost certain WD will improves things via firmware updates tho (if not already done idk), so if people are interested you may want to check some newer reviews as well.

@massh0le 4 года назад

A commonly over looked part of a usb drive is the format used. A lot of usb drive ship with FAT32 for compatibility between many OS's. The problem is that FAT32 only supports file sizes up to 4gig. The steam library you were copying over and games you were playing may have had files over 4gig. If you reformat the drive to NTFS or exfat the issues may disappear. Edit: Now that i watched the video again, the files that you were having errors with were both over 4gigs.

@Anon-cv7ru Год назад

Yeah ran into this kind of problems before... in the end you need to format it into NTFS. 😂

@mrbabyhugh 6 дней назад

this is facts, and that the thing with these reviewers, they really do not know tech and be commenting about it. only "positive" is that this one did not negatively bash WD nor the controller company like many others would. But for them to not know this, they really should not be reviewing anything.

@PWingert1966 4 года назад

Well the fact it has errors removes it from consideration. Te End. Maybe next year.

@Harvester88 4 года назад

Yeah sticking with my T5. This cost to much for the issues.

@sujimayne 4 года назад

They have stated that these errors only happen when it's running at full native speed, which means it's almost certainly the controller on the motherboard. Just wait for motherboards to catch up.

@-pcmr-108 4 года назад

@@Harvester88 I'm having an issue with my T5 on my 3900x system, but not on my laptop. I don't think its an issue with the drive. My drive keeps disconnecting and gets extremely slow/bottoms out, much like these guys are experiencing.

@rw1631 4 года назад

@Jacob Dawson The transfer is 20 gigabits per second, which translates to 2.5 gigabytes per second.

@abdulrahmankhatri1315 4 года назад

Man hands down amazing work on the review time and quality spend, shows why this channel is one of the best when it comes to reviewing practices , to keep a more realistic and detailed approach

@HardwareCanucks 4 года назад

We try! :)

@DerekFletcher1 4 года назад

Here's a hot take: I actually agree completely with both of you on your conclusions. The strix enclosure is upgradeable but mike is right too because western digital will for sure fix issues. Super informative though, nice work.

@MizarcDev 4 года назад

USB version naming is still a complete nightmare. Gotta hope USB 4 fixes this.

@JohnLGalt_1 4 года назад

Question: Sure you've been asked this already, but what were the memory configurations that you used in these test setups (number of sticks / speeds / OC on or off / etc.?

@Appalling68 4 года назад

Highly informative video...thank you. I didn't know about the ASUS ROG Strix Arion so this video was very educational for me. Yeah, think I'll skip the Black P50 but thanks again for the other tips!

@Danny_G_5 4 года назад

I had the same problem with mine, I ended up formatting it from FAT to NTFS and it runs much more consistent now.

@zahidshabir4038 4 года назад

The title made it seem like you were reviewing a USB stick not an external SSD

@wboyd33 4 года назад

Question for ya...In all your testing of this drive, did you load up WD SSD Dashboard & checking to see if there's a firmware update? I haven't tried loading that software for a USB version of the WD drive's, but I know they come out with updates for their SSD's & NVME's.

@phobicc_ 4 года назад

I love how Hardware Canucks keeps on making more and more collab videos with themselves

@HardwareCanucks 4 года назад

The intent is to have multiple opinions in one video. It helps cover more bases, plus Mike has been in the industry for 15+ years so his opinion can sometimes be very different.

@JhaveriAakash 4 года назад

Problems start at 4:00

@JosephHarry 4 года назад

Would be interesting to see if it worked better with a different OS. Does it still error out in Linux?

@hudibaba 4 года назад

UUUFFF!! those are some very beautiful shots!!!!

@TommyCrosby 4 года назад

It looks like a very slim shipping container and I love it.

@gloryholdofficial 3 года назад

So if you have a thunderbolt port on your laptop and use this drive will it limit it to the 10gbps or can it saturate more since it’s capable of faster speeds maybe the controller is different

@TazoLatte 4 года назад

Weird question but is there a USB cable standard that can handle it? Reminds me of charging a phone and quick charge isn't working with a cheap cord.

@the0ne786 4 года назад

Saw the thumbnail and thought Lew was switching phones again 😂

@shifty277 4 года назад

Well done for being a BETA tester for WD. Did they let you keep the review unit permanently for the privilege? Thanks for all the honesty and screen grabs etc.

@rodrigo4379 4 года назад

does it work well on a mac since the mobo doesn’t use that type of controller?

@AnujFalcon 4 года назад

Very well balanced opinions with honesty. Good source for knowledefe update!

@dheerajreddy2247 3 года назад

Can you tell me how much speed would I get if I use it on the new Macbooks/mini M1?

@nonenothing4412 4 года назад

big channel but not sold outs, respect!!!

@DjRavix 3 года назад

I had problems with asmedia USB controllers in the past Did you use the windows drivers or the asmedia drivers since in my experience one of the two did preform with less problems with external drives but the other one had less problems with other usb devices

@legendp2011 4 года назад

wonder how it compares to the samsung x5 ,nvme external drives (you can get the 2tb samsung 970 drives separately and put them in the x5 encloser and it's like half the price)

@Yaboyshock 4 года назад

Definitely gonna have to get this for the consoles in my house

@MatthewLowery 4 года назад

What’s the best external hard drive for an Xbox One X? Is there a noticeable “speed” difference between any of the big ones like Seagate or the WD Black P10?

@canuck21 3 года назад

When it comes to esthetics, yes, the WD_Black line indeed looks amazing.

@grizzly6699 4 года назад

I've been having similar issues with USB 3 since my Z68 motherboard from 2011 with an Etron controller. I've had problems with 2.5" drive enclosures from several companies and 3.5" external RAID drive bays as well. For the latter, I've resorted to using eSATA instead of USB to avoid this kind of problem. It has to be some form of compatibility issue with the two different controllers communicating to each other, from drive enclosure to motherboard. But this problem has been around since USB 3 was a thing. That's like more than 10 years ago. Why has it not been addressed? I never had this problem with USB 2... ever.

@camixxx 4 года назад

It's probably file corruption. You should create file hashes of the known good files and verify your files after you copy. Use rsync (rsync --stats --progress -rvzh /Path/ToUpload/ /Path/ToUploaded/) instead of Windows file copy to help avoid in file copy corruption.

@mackman77095 2 года назад

I think your issue may be a result of power supply, specifically the capacitors powering the USB3 2x2 port on your motherboard. Sure would like to see the power wavelengths on that capacitor.

@jcx-200 4 года назад

I got an ROG Arion enclosure a few weeks back and put a spare Samsung 256GB 970 EVO in it for use for uni work with VMs. Makes things so much more convenient

@smokey1234 3 года назад

4:40 I give you a hint, why this is the case: it is about the power delivery, USB 3.0 (5 Gbps) only supports up to 4.5 W Power delivery. Since new SSDs commonly use more than 5 W (a few do not), the controller shuts down while being pushed to the limit since it exceeds the power limitation. Although USB 3.2/3.1 are downwards compatible with USB 3.0/2.0 protocol/data transfer wise, power delivery is not. If you use a more efficient SSD, speed usually goes down with it. The manufacturers have to fix the power problem with faster drives connected to slower interfaces. I had the same problems with a USB 3.0 drive without external power source connected to a USB 2.0 port, it lost connection every now and then.

@in_the_pines Год назад

that's literally why I just bought a 10 port USB 3.0/Card Reader Hub Amazon. I started having issues with connecting multiple portable ssd's and harddrives (especially) and started getting connection and transfer errors. When I finally realised it was due to it being a USB 2.0/Card Reader Hub (bc I've had it forever) it finally made sense. It was too much power consumption!

@LosDuervo 4 года назад

... but did you monitor the temperatures of the drive and asmedia chip during data transfers?

@arrtea 4 года назад

I have had similar errors with a usb drive and it was fixed by formatting the drive in NTFS.

@jarnhand266 4 года назад

@HardwareCanucks Can you please state what drives are used on the array/raid in the Asus Rog DIMM.2 raiser card? And how its set up (raid 0)?

@AKG58Z 4 года назад

These issues can be because of overheating controller on the motherboard or inside the drive itself by opening it you can pinpoint the cause and fix it and then seeing the improvements

@robertt9342 4 года назад

Watching this with my wife, Eber: From the outside it looks amazing. Wife: Wow, that looks just like a cheap blister pack that would be holding something nice inside. Me: you're right, it reminds me of the back of the blister pack for ram.

@coosh11 4 года назад

Wow once again a wonderful review by hardware canucks... Was there heat issues? What drive is underneath? Do these drives have buffers that once they fill up they crash and slower?

@HardwareCanucks 4 года назад

No heat issues or we would have reported. We think the drive within is a WD Black SN750 or similar but we could be wrong.

@radkosochor8091 4 года назад

Did you tried linux for test? maybe some finicky in windows drivers from asmedia

@Chrisimplayer 3 года назад

how does it hold up now anything fixed because I'm interested but if it's not going to work properly I'll wait.

@itsclink8665 4 года назад

which mouse you recommed me too buy Cooler Mater MM711 GPro Hero GWolves Skoll

@stevele5858 4 года назад

Paying for a future tech? Sounds like RTX

@cronopoly344 4 года назад

@HardwareCanucks - Do you have a thermal scope to see what component temperatures are during failures inside the drive??? You know what I'm talking about so I won't elaborate. Surprised it wasn't covered is all. Especially if the first transfer run was flawless.

@twilightparallax 4 года назад

It looks like a problem with the ASMedia ASM2364 bridge. Looks like there is data transfer corruption (which crashes games). Could be a failure to dissipate heat maybe affecting the pcie-usbc bridge? Were both drives tested the same capacity drives or two separate models (ie. WDBA3S0010BBK-WESN and WDBA3S0020BBK-WESN)? Different SKUs might yield different results.

@mayoutoobid 3 года назад

are the problems of this drive fixed yet??

@rayyoung2154 Год назад

Once I read this article, the transmitting speed depends on your plug-in speed. If you ram it in, it will perform as USB3.x. If you slowly plug-in, it will perform as USB2.x. Something related to backward compatibility.

@vh9network 4 года назад

I am getting that same issue @ 4:25 on the bottom window with an 10+ year old 500GB WD Green internal drive that I suspect is dying. Been in the process of recovering files off of it. Got a 4TB WD Gold ordered on the way to be my new backup hard disk drive. Seeing you guys experience this similar issue with a modern external WD product is pretty interesting.

@HardwareCanucks 4 года назад

More like worrying.....

@ryankeith4078 4 года назад

Nice, bought one and I'm using it on my USB 2.0 ports. Super speeds.

@infro42 4 года назад

So how is it after 4 months? Were the problems fixed?

@izlomdisertir 4 года назад

What file system was used on the WD drive? I had absolutely the same problems with a much older model (samsung t5). The reason was the default file system (after the purchase, I updated the disk firmware and it was automatically formatted in exfat). For the first time, I noticed problems when working in Adobe Photoshop (files were saved significantly longer than expected, the process always stuck at 99%), while simply copying files to disk, the speed was unstable (regardless of the platform, it was completely random), rarely copying errors occurred (it looked like disk reconnected). As a result, it turned out that exFAT was to blame, in which there is no support for some algorithms for optimizing the operation of SSDs, which is why problems arose. After formatting the drive in NTFS, all problems disappeared. This is sad, since this disk was bought exactly as a portable working disk with actual photoshots "in the process" for a one workflow of a windows PC and macbook. But now this desire will not come true, because there is no full, trouble-free NTFS support in MAC os.

@ArturoTabera 4 года назад

I'll certainly buy a car that crashes randomly in a wall. But I've been told this will be fixed in a future update. Nice customer advice there. Thanks!

@triadwarfare 4 года назад

9:45 so basically it could end up very well, or very badly like the Radeon Navi line of driver issues

@caseystewart3437 Год назад

Every time I try to render a video on davinci resolve I get an error and it won’t finish. Could this device be the problem? When I use my C drive it was fine

@serras_ 4 года назад

Why weren't any PCIE 4 drives used in the comparison? I would have loved to see how it stacked up against a PCIE 4 drive when it was beating out the PCIE 3 drive...

@stjenkinsjr 4 года назад

I just bought 3 WD Black P 10's. Running transfers on HP Zbook's and Z6's they produced the same inconsistencies

@username65585 4 года назад

I'd like to see an update on this in a year to see if the issues are fixed.

@johnrambo6549 4 года назад

can u try it on linux ubuntu ...etc ?

@Rockerrobin 3 года назад

Had been using this drive for games on my xbox and wanted to format it for game clips but neither my computer or my brothers detect the drive.

@cheesefries7436 3 года назад

I like how they assume the transfer issue with the ASMedia controller will be fixed instead of being ignored and other, actually functioning, chips replacing it in the market.

@specialagentjerrylewiss 4 года назад

Does MacBook Pro 2018 support IT?

@X7007 4 года назад

did you disable USB selective suspend???

@LaczPro 4 года назад

What if the drive doesn't have enough cache and that's the source of all problems? Like being a cache-less SSD. It's an interesting video on a product to check out and investigate.

@lobstershrimp 4 года назад

Will it it work full speed with Zephyrus Duo?

@rushdrift 4 года назад

The design is very army-ish love it.

@mx5701 2 года назад

Tacticool crap design for folks who peaked in high school and think that hissing at people makes them seem hardcore...

@sevanmelemedjian5541 4 года назад

Nice video. I suggest maybe you could have compared the actual file size of the Steam folder on the drive versus that on the computer, or even compare hashes of some files you were unsure about (like Civ or any other game that would crash). And also maybe try to transfer the files with a Linux distribution to see if the problem was able to be reproduced.

@DBLCreations 3 года назад

So how is it performing today?

@tayfunsaral5024 4 года назад

"uploaded 6 seconds ago" nicee

@sh1fud813 4 года назад

This comment : 17 minutes ago The video : 14 minutes ago Whaaaaaaaaaat

@tayfunsaral5024 4 года назад

@NonLegit Nation why did you feel the need to reply. If you dont like it, just f off?

@Vader294 4 года назад

Tayfun Saral why did you feel the need to reply if you didn’t like his reply? The irony of internet trolls lol

@sh1fud813 4 года назад

@@Vader294 why did you feel the need to reply if you didn't like his reply that also disliked the other guy's reply who hated this comment. This never ending hate replies tho Lol.

@TheKr0NicCr9fTeR 4 года назад

Yo I've been away from this channel for a minute... but Eber you're looking fit dude.

@fino963 3 года назад

Great video guys thanks.

@DeepFriedLemonWedges 3 года назад

does anyone know the video where eber said he used pinterest for cool wallpapers/pictures?? it was either a laptop review video or a phone review

@PWNHUB 4 года назад

5:10 Blizzard has made it a point to demand modular design in their games. World of Warcraft for instance has been able to just sync up and play on external devices for years and years where other games need to be installed on the machine they are being played on and cannot be transferred over.

@SirMoDeNa 2 года назад

I am planning to buy the 4 TB drive to work on a MacBook Pro M1 Max for photography purposes. As of today, do you recommend this drive or better go for another brand and model? Many thanks!

@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 2 года назад

yeesh. I was thinking of doing the same crap myself but then... About 600 bucks for the 4tb model. DOOD that's more than what I paid for my ps4 pro lololol. Gotta be a cheaper and almost as fast option. I think I'll look at samsung products instead. I'll sacrifice a tiny bit of speed for a model that's cheaper and more reliable thank you very much. Shame we can't get a cheap one that's super bad ass but hey... You can't have everything I guess lol. And if you look at recent comments. People still complaining about the bugs a year in so they obviously didn't fix much. White boy in this video got played lolz. No offense to him of course. I'm sure he means well but it happens... We all get duped sometimes. But how bad is the dupe? Not very so who cares... That being said... I'm still on the fence with this product.

@NetvoTV 2 года назад

I see there's a G-Drive Armorlock SSD where you can lock it with phone and track it, maybe you like that model? Buy me one if you getting one! :)

@stuffinfinland 3 года назад

Did you guys tested it with Linux? Prolly some Windows 10 caching issue or "Removal policy" is set to "Quick removal" (which means it's isn't optimized for the speed). Check the device policy on device manager.

@averytucker790 4 года назад

Did you try turning off and on again?

@smakusdod 4 года назад

So it doesn't work in 2x2 mode. Great recommendation!

@waitandhope 4 года назад

Hey yo we be rockin the usb 4.0 here my cat got me the goods on this

@depth386 4 года назад

For my desktop I got an 860 EVO 4 TB for $829 so when you showed me $700ish for 2 TB i kind of barfed regardless of the speed. The SLC buffer on it is so large it is functionally always maxing out SATA III so it’s still good enough in terms of speed. In addition I have that three layer MLC longevity and it helps me sleep at night even with a nightly back up to a HDD. My upgrade path can skip NVME entirely and jump straight into Optane if I so choose so the SATA III is not going to be a serious problem for a long time into the future.

@sanjhaigopinath 4 года назад

I am planning to buy wd black p50 my current pc has Maximus hero xi motherboard with usb 3.1 gen 2 port what kind of speed can I expect?

@youridv 4 года назад

linus had some issues with using a raid array that was too fast as well. weird

@mrb3991 4 года назад

Hi my 12Tb Western Black external started to fail which i got for Xmas , started to fail , i noticed as iit started to make the strange vibration buzz when it was'nt reading correctly, i just hope my replacement turns up amazon Uk say its due Aptil 2nd they cost 400 on the wd website

@CesarinPillinGaming 4 года назад

Overheating of the Asmedia chip perhaps?

@smartG1123 4 года назад

Should've swearn thunderbolt was now a open standard? Or do it still not matter?

@Sedokun 4 года назад

Looks like issues with files above 4Gb?

@radicalxedward8047 4 года назад

My motherboard supports usb 3.2 gen 2 but I haven’t found any thumb drives that support 10Gbps

@eovoos 4 года назад

did you try changing file system maybe large file size limits are not being copied

@DeimosPC Год назад

What is the difference between the P40 and P50?

@pierrelezan 4 года назад

What about Linux support ? Sometimes it’s Just à Windows kernel issue...

@The_Chad_ 4 года назад

I'm pretty sure the fastest m.2 drives are a fraction of those speeds. A Samsung 970 evo has a read/write of only 3500/2500MB/s. I think Crucial said they are coming out with a gen 4 that will be about twice that this year, but that is still less than half the speed of USB 3.2 gen2. I don't know if it is the flash or the controller that drives the flash, but there is a component of the tech that hasn't yet caught up to the speeds in which we can carry information.

@clouddancer9 3 года назад

Such a cool design we created a stick for the P10 version.

@shshankking 2 года назад

I have macbook pro 14 m1 pro .. will I get the full speed?

@IamLegendAnon 4 года назад

The best USB drive available right now is just to get a m.2 ssd and stick it in an enclosure that has either type c or usb 3.1 (10gbps) male port. My enclosure has both. With this, you get fast speeds (faster than sata), for relatively cheap (I spent about $100) with high capacity (I have 500gb). Because it's an ssd, the random writes and reads are fast enough that you can run an OS off of it too, and boot from anywhere. Unlike an external drive, it's also slim enough to fit in your pocket and not much bigger than a USB stick. I recommend b key over m key, because you won't be able to saturate m key on 10gbps and the random reads and writes are the same (and its cheaper). Though I do use m key because I upgraded the m.2 in my PC for more capacity and reliability and began using the old one as a flash drive.