The World's Most Dangerous Musical -- Spider-Man Turn Off the Dark 

It's Ringling Brothers not Ringling Bros. "Bros." is an abbreviation. I've seen people do this with Super Mario Bros so it's not uncommon.

Has the "take a shot every time this kid says hubris" joke already been made?

Yeah, they would have needed Cirque du soleil performers to make it work.

No

Your still hearing that joke because your consequences have actions.

Right!? It makes so much more sense!! UGGG this show still stresses me out haha. I'll always find myself ranting about this at dinner, even if the conversation started over something like enchiladas. -Brendon

Or better yet, they should have had Mysterio tech direct the show

@@themostop6142 Would've cut the necessary budget in half, I'll tell ya that.

But NOOOOO, Taymor just had to awkwardly use Greek mythology and the first Movie...

Hell the Marvel super show didn't have these problems

Coming from someone who is a broderline atheist, that is as close to a sign from god you can EVER get. That's like in bright lights flashing "STOP WHE YOUR AHEAD"

That is very true, and its a repeated pattern too! Such as the Immortal Queen dropping unexpectedly dead just days after shaking Liz Truss' hand, and then a week later Truss killed the economy, her career and her party.

It’s the death note

@@spaghettinoodlechop3163, clearly somebody gets it best. But then why would the creator be hunted?

I am a firm believer in signs from the universe, and moments like this only strengthen my belief. There’s “superstitious” and then there’s “everything around me is saying without words that this is a bad idea.”

Whoa man, that's awesome~ :)

@@Checkmate1138 That totally is awesome. To be the lucky kid whom Spider-Man high-fives in the show

@@Checkmate1138 it really made my whole trip. It was my first time to New York so my family decided to go to this show. I’m from Massachusetts so everything about the city amazed me. We got to the show and it was right after the Freak Like Me song that I will admit, 8 year old me got scared seeing all these bad guys as it was as real as Spider-Man at that moment too. My dad and I walked outside the show for a minute before walking back in. We didn’t want to walk by people sitting in back of us because we thought that might be a rude thing to do again so we just stood by the railings and watched. My dad pointed to the left of me and we saw Spider-Man getting ready to swing. There were platforms off the railing for easy access for the performers to jump and swing off of. Before being fully tightened and ready to jump, the Spider-Man about to jump looked at me, a kid scared of the Sinister Six and ran over, gave me a quick high five than ran back on the platform. Before jumping in to save the day, he turned around to me, did a little wave then jumped off. If that wasn’t enough, when walking outside after the show, we saw one of the performers in his Spider-Man costume holding a little bucket. He was collecting donations for a charity and after looking at me, said “High Five Buddy”. Two Spider-Man high fives in a single day. This was my first Broadway show and for everything that went wrong at some people’s showings, the night I saw Spider-Man: Turn Off The Dark was nothing short of perfect and beyond that.

I also went and collected some of the “webs” Spider-Man shot at the audience after the show and still have them to this day😂

I watched two shows, summer 2011 and 2012 and they were great. Execution and the swinging scenes was extremely well done. I can’t say for the shows where they screwed up or even the first one but when it works it was fascinating. It was an ambitious show and no movie will come close to it in immersion.

Million-dollar idea, ten-cent execution

I really hope someone retries this one day

This needs to be retried. It just can’t fail if you get all the right resources and people together

Charlie Dawson ,Would’ve been a nice little self aware joke

And Vulture who as the video mentions flys. The very thing the play wanted to make the actors do!

What about Turn Off The Dark as Mysterio's origin story?

Do you think the casting would have been the closest we ever got to Bruce Campbell as Mysterio?

And even if Mysterio looked fake he’s meant to be fake. Perfect.

The fact that no one even left a reply on this comment beats me

@@ligmaballs2022 fr

@@ligmaballs2022 Whoa what the fuck. It seems fuckin crazy to me that I never saw this video until right now, looked at this year old comment, and saw that both the only replies were less than an hour ago.

@@rabidporcupine0 Same

Well hello gentlefolk

It looked terrible. No, I don't have to admit that.

@@troodon1096 Ok, no need to sound so hostile

No I agree I liked the sets too, I saw it on Broadway even though I didn’t want to (I was with my little brother so…) but the most memorable aspect for me was the sets and stunts.

@@troodon1096 SHUT UPPP I hate this musical but ur annoying as hell for that.

I've always liked the scene where peter in jumping in his room, since i watched a video of it. Pretty creative way of doing it. The story, music and songs are pretty bad though xD

It really should have gone straight to Vegas, there's no reason it could have gone better on Broadway than Vegas (at least without existing in Vegas first). That's where people go to see this sort of spectacle. I just wonder if somehow this team was completely unaware that the rigs and tech would have been nearly a non-issue. Or, were they somehow so blinded that they thought regardless of production cost, they'd make more money on Broadway because more kids find themselves there than on a Vegas trip.

Yes! That's brilliant! I know NiGHTS is based off Mystere but from what I've seen of that, KA and various others including the Avatar show, it would have worked brilliantly, they've got a unique style. I wonder if in another universe...

Especially with the added focus on Arachne. You know, the mythological figure whose entire story revolves around hubris. Honestly, all this coupled with the first producer literally dropping dead before he could sign the contracts is like one big exercise in real-world dramatic irony...

Harry Read it's almost like this whole musical is cursed

Green Goblin is in a musical based on Greek myth.

What Greek mythology?

Alex 1 The whole of Greek mythology is based on hubris

That’s a great idea for a play Gary you should write it down

Oooh get on writing this script

That’d be a realllly fucking good idea. If only we could get a hella famous director and producer to even acknowledge the idea 😢

Someone get this man a scholarship

Revant Pamidi Haha, thanks! I’m actually going to Uni next year for English Lit, so I appreciate the thought.

True. I think it's unfortunate how much simple fines tale precident over actual, deserved jailtime... but hey, that's capitalism for ya! Money is apparently more important than justice or morality :) (sorry, society has just left me a little jaded... heh :P)

@@fifilulu5999 i understand ya, man. at least they had insurance at the time.

It's New York. It's incestuous. The unions and politicians and legislators and entertainment producers are either one and the same or extremely close.

@@fifilulu5999 Not everything is due to the fault of capitalism and I hate the "it's all capitalism's fault" trend Gen Z follows because of the thought that communism is so much better.

@@BassGal92 Lick more boots, Bezos will surely hire you.

sounds like a good reimagined origin for Mysterio, he finally lands that broadway play but the producer drops dead before the paper was signed, so he uses his techincal knowhow and broadway stage skills to get revenge on the broadway company when Spider-man comes in to stop him because he was out on a date with Mary Jane when his spider senses began tingling.

to be fair, pretty much every Broadway theater (and most buildings) in NYC is historic, and a lot of musicals do some renovating before opening.

That is hardly surprising, a lot large scale blockbusters do that to varying degrees!

Funny you mention that because they indeed, renovated the threatre once again a few years ago and now it houses Harry Potter and the Cursed Child on Broadway, which also includes actors flying around lol

Dod you actually see this??? I did and it wasn’t that bad. Stay in your fucking lane

@@jonnyfendi2003 would assume you’re not directing the comment at me in regards to Harry Potter because yes?? I have ??? I literally work as an usher there and have seen it 300+ times lol

You do know that Bono is the lead singer of U2?

@@fisher3317 and that doesn't excuse him in the slightest lol

@@IAMFANTROLL I'm saying that he's a talented singer (listen to Bloody Sunday, Where The Streets Have No Name, etc. if you don't believe me).

@@fisher3317 he's overrated and big headed. Yeah he made hits but he comes off as an asshold

@@fisher3317 yeah and still no one takes them seriously. For good reason

Yes! I think they got her mixed up with Athena

Because she pissed off a goddess

@@YouKnowImOnMyPeriodYah which is ironic

I think they thought that since she was the mother of all spiders she was a deity

@@YouKnowImOnMyPeriodYah wait so Athena turned into a spider?

Oh my gosh, thought I was the only one who noticed

IKR, That was supposed to be a thoughtful and somber part of the video but I couldn't stop laughing

That's aged like milk if you've seen the SM:NWH trailer. Just get Stephen Strange to reverse it. 😂

with great responsibility comes power.

This line legit threw me out of the trance this video had me in. I was so into it and enjoying the story-BRICK WALL, haha. What an experience~

You should look up a list of the worst ever musicals. There was a Tess of the D'Urbevilles, and a Moby Dick musical.

ESPECIALLY cuz everyone does Musicals...as the SAME CLICHE song-and-dance crap, instead of creating something new and that FITS something like this. It could've been a Bway show WITHOUT singing, for instance!

The Medium Is The Message

@@bi_cycle WHICH Moby Dick musical because there were many and one in particular i'm thinking of that uh didn't do well

On the other hand, some can surprise you. The Legally Blonde original book kind of sucked (allegedly), the movie was iconic, and the musical was amazing.

I actually heard about this in his Spider-Man power loss theory video. I didn't know that he was actually involved at one point, and I certainly didn't know that this thing was actually dangerous. All I heard Mat saying was 'star in terrible Broadway musicals', so I didn't have much to go on. Good to know he rejected this, cause if he had been involved, he'd be dead, and we wouldn't have our theory podium.

He’s still actually helping out with theater. I heard that he and Steph were actually producers on this one horror based play recently.

@@auraemerald8434 1. I was mainly talking about acting but thanks for telling me.😊 2. WAIT, REALLY!!!😳

@@wichygirl2204 YEAH, NO KIDDING

Kinda looks like him on the far left at @0:55

XD

She’s not lying, early gray hair is a consequence of extreme stress and/or pain. She must’ve suffered a great deal. Poor woman.

@@007Julie She talked about it with a such of sense of loss and pain. It was a bad experience for everyone involved.

@@atomictea21 I’m so sorry for her. Although the more she talks about it the more it helps to let go of the trauma.

Nice pfp 😂

Lol it was just a warm up!

Even better, Hadestown had a very long and dramatic road to Broadway. Not because it was expensive or poorly reviewed, but because they recognized early on that they needed time to flesh out the story.

Also, since when was Arachne a goddess? The Greek pantheon got Taymored!

@@CSGraves She's not. Either Brendon might've gotten it wrong, or it could've been Taymored. I vaguely recall one version of the script supposedly stating she was a goddess, but I might be remembering it wrong.

and hadestown is incredible

It also demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of the myth of Arachne. She was not a goddess, she was a mortal woman cursed by Athena, either as a punishment for hubris, or in retaliation by Athena after Arachne made a point about how Zeus and Poseidon regularly abused their power over mortals, especially mortal women, for their own pleasure, depending on the version of the myth you're reading. She's turned into a spider because she either shows hubris by beating Athena (or thinking she can do so) in a weaving contest, or by weaving lifelike images of Zeus and Poseidon abusing their godhood, causing Athena to pull a "my daddy works for Microsoft" and turning her into a spider out of rage, with the logic being that she should be cursed to weave for eternity.

​​@@GeneralNuisance00 So she got fucked over?

I mean, there's a reason that his name is "your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man." Because he's just that, a man. Not a god, not a hero out of ancient Greek myth. He's a man who has some power and a great sense of responsibility. Truthfully, I don't think the Greek myth approach would ever work with a Marvel superhero, because they are so often written as people with power. As opposed to say, DC, who wrote archetypes/symbols that later became people.

Same with Reeve Carney. So glad that this didn’t end their careers

I don't think she was even a thought when this was created besides spider gwen isn't as big of a cash cow as peter

Unfortunately she was created in 2014 and this was 2010

@@r3dh00dlum yeah, that's why this would be a possibility, but at the same time probably not. I doubt they'll attempt a superhero musical ever again. Plus someone would most likely go woke with it these days anyway...

@@rlamas4783 She wasn't cuz she's a fairly new character since her first appearance was in 2014

@@sweetchildomusicians4621 according to this video, the last musical that had a superhero setting was that Superman one in the 60s. So maybe in another 50 years we’ll get another superhero musical...and maybe it will also be a train wreck

probably the timeline where radioactive stayed in

Yeah that's the one Tony Adams didn't die before contracts were signed. Talk about a bad omen.

You mean one where Bono and the edge didnt write the music?!

probably the timeline where tom holland's spider man became the greatest spider man ever

I loved it

I don't think they set out to lose money on purpose. If they wanted to waste money, they could have just set a big pile of money on fire, filmed that, and the result would have been more entertaining.

In the first moments when he said that it was started by one veteran producer and a young lawyer, who really wanted to become one I was like "wait, this sounds almost exactly like the setup to The Producers" I guess this musical is what would happen if Max Bialystock died in the first act, leaving clueless Leo to manage the whole operation.

Most certainy

True, that was some bad luck from the start

alexander macdougall that’s a fucking omen if ever there was one.

People dont tend to pay attention to obviously bad portents these days, well at least in USA entertainment industry culture.

I'd say that the producer was the lucky one.

alexander macdougall I agree I got chills watching that part

TV Carpio was a part of the workshop cast for a little bit

It's nice that they were able to do anything good at all after this.

same here lol

I loved them in gang bang brothers gangbang Guam 3. By far the best of the ten part multi cinematic universe. I am looking forward to the Zacharia Snider cut.

yess!!

That is something I’d actually love to watch.

That sounds highly entertaining, id watch that.

But only if that big argument takes place in song form, with all the finger pointing like that song from Into the Woods.

So like the disaster artist?

no this scene is a necessary piece along with Peter and Uncle Ben`s dynamic before Uncle Ben`s death and Peter`s Origin FOR THE SHOW. its visually stimulating as well unique and interesting. The execution should be ominuous and mysterious not "laugh inducing".

@@SB992REBORN is this meme I cannot tell

Honestly man if you’re that disrespectful then you shouldn’t bother attending a theater show

@@anicetorodriguez8862 If something is that absurd you just can't help yourself

@@sweetpeach3649 nevermind you win me over lol

Tiddlers that I can see like back in the day the Batman shows at six flags it’s more a themed park type show then a musical I mean and those things should live outside of theme parks I love those little cool 30-25 minute shows

This was the only thing I ever saw on broadway, never knew there was all this controversy lol

This is exactly how I’d describe King Kong. Stop trying to cram theme park rides into a theater.

@@hothotheat3000 I actually enjoyed King Kong for what it was. Not groundbreaking theater, but I had a fun time. I enjoyed King Kong over Spider-Man. But I agree with what you said.

@@Analblockage The first time King Kong was on Broadway didn't really end well for anyone involved either.

I mean, great comet kinda renovated the theatre (albeit much cheaper and not as severely) and I heard there was a plan for a tour, so I guess they’ll have to adapt it to a proscenium stage

I remember reading that they wanted to do stadium tours in London, Vegas and Hamburg. So they seemed to have accepted that a normal tour wasnt possible.

Lol yah no wonder they would be in debt as every theater has to be retooled to be able to use it for production. I dont think they want to be perpetually losing more money than they took in, unless they are just insane.

If they moved to Las Vegas which was their second choice Las Vegas had lots of stunt shows and the theatres would be perfect. This should’ve been in last Vegas originally.

Also, productions of most shows are often modified because of the temporary nature of tours. Certain elements are sometimes cut altogether because they can't build into a stage like they can for a sit-down performance.

Mamma Mia: Don't forget about me!

No joke, I saw Cats on Broadway and ‘till this day I have no idea what the musical is about. The movie is abhorrent but seriously why was the Broadway show even famous to begin with? It’s nonsensical!

@@007Julie that's the point!

@@007Julie That's the point, it's a nonsensical spectacle with lots of colourful costumes and fun songs. It's nothing more than a bunch of goofy nonsense with no purpose other than entertaining the audience.

@@Brainwave101 well then, Andrew Lloyd Webber did a fantastic job.

That's sweet Did she and Page get along

Hopefully, things got better for them in the long run, otherwise that would be truly pitiful..

@@dafilmqueen556and imaging this being your big break in musical theatre too. Only for it to become an infestation of problems, it’s tragic :/

Honestly I survived is a great thing when job hunting either for theater or elsewhere. I mean I've worked on tons of projects both when I was a kid and when I became an adult and lead and worked under for these projects. And the one that hit the most bumps or had that one asshole leader usually made me more capable for future projects because I had experienced Murphy's law. It's ultimately a glass half full perspective but it's something to admire that when the going gets tough that people stick it out till the end. Not advocating for people to just endure abuse tho. That would be toxic. We all have limits and people should do whatever it takes to take care of their physical and mental health. But bumps on a journey just make the journey more interesting, in my opinion.

I like that this is still somehow more grounded in reality than Riverdale

The highs and lows of highschool football

All I know about Riverdale is that it's a show that feels like the writers are just trying to see what they can get away with and, because it's the CW, no one ever stops them

I've been binging videos critiquing riverdale and other shows he's worked on so seeing him pop up in the intro genuinely got me like a jumpscare His face scares me now

Gosh Riverdale is a nightmare

It's the ONLY reason to write a music tbh lol

I live my life trying to spite ALW

Casey Coolican hes a good composer, but by GOD do I hate him as a person

@@epicremarc This.

Epic Remarc I’m just curious, why do you hate him as a person? I feel like I’m missing out on some information about him.

Huh did not expect to see you here, love your vids lol!!

There was a similar show that suffered a similar fate to Spiderman called "Star Light Express" many kids liked it as the cast wore roller skates and it was a show about trains that the composer had written for his young son. Perhaps Spiderman would have done better if they used a story line with out the greek god aspects and focused more on being a family show experience like cats or lion king. Also, very Jelly that you got to see it! Wish I had! 🙂

@@littlesongbird1 Interesting that you mention *Starlight Express,* because I was thinking the same thing. A guy with whom I was in theatre in high school had a role in it as one of the trains, and I got to see a preview performance. Andrea McArdle was also in it in a small role. They were still having technical problems, and the set malfunctioned in the middle of Act One, causing a 20-minute delay (so they skipped the intermission). I think there were moving platforms that had to get to the right place in time for the actors on roller skates playing the trains to roll over them, or disaster would ensue. I got the impression that the whole thing was very dangerous. My friend told me that every night after the performance, he had to go see his chiropractor.

Casey Coolican lol

Best comment here

*insert Elmo laugh here*

@@SirBlackReeds lol

did they really omg lol

YOUR UNCLE IS HADES???? HOLY SHIT DUDE

@@flynniejunior838 yep!!! extremely proud of him 💖

@@ferenczliszt I got to see him in D.C. a couple of times, playing Coriolanus and Prospero. He's an excellent actor, and it was a joy to see him perform.

You've got a real cool uncle.

Must be cool to have Patrick Cage as your uncle, he's amazing! Happy for you💜

OMG he was in this 👁👁 he’s so good in hadestown

SAME GOES FOR PATRICK PAGE

yes oh my god

fr fr

@@laurenbelles6850 HE WAS IN THIS TOO

I saw it and Page was so memorable

I was in college for my theater design degree at the time, and the whole department was glued to what was happening. It was a great learning experience for us as well as we realised what could happen and that people could get hurt or die if we didn't communicate, work as a team, and tripple check all safety requirements.

that's so cool!

They are not to blame. All the blame goes to U2

They’re not likely going to badmouth a show (and by extension, all of its producers and directors and whatever) to a complete stranger.

Did she ever get a Broadway show?

@@JenniferBrigitteOpticalVortex I NEED TO KNOW THIS TOO

It would have been a lot cheaper too

How many times does uncle Ben have to die?

Gaby George as many times as you retell the origin story. How many times do Thomas and Martha Wayne have to die? How many times does Krypton have to blow up?

Liam J.A. Quigley They could've just adapted the Death of Gwen Stacy story, which could've been amazing. It has some good Shakespearean drama at the core of it. Peter chooses not to expose Norman Osborn as the Green Goblin in order to protect his best friend, Harry, but that ultimately ends up costing him that friendship, and the love of his life. Heck, Peter and Gwen would make for a more interesting couple for a musical, since they start out hating each other before eventually falling in love. (Though then again, MJ secretly found out he was Spider-Man on the night Uncle Ben died, so you wring some nice drama out of that as well.) You could've done something really beautiful with Gwen falling "down" in slow motion over the audience, while Spider-Man is back onstage at the "top" of the bridge, trying to save her. And then have her stop very suddenly when the web catches her, to depict the jolt that ultimately kills her. (The moment when Peter realizes that Gwen has passed while cradling her in his arms never fails to be heartbreaking. "Gwen...? No. No no no no no. You can't be dead, honey! Don't you see? I saved you...")

They could have done something like Spider-Verse, since part of why I loved that movie so much was how different it was from other Spider-Man movies, but still had the heart of the character in there.

Damn I hate that algorithm farming shit

Patrick page was also in Spiderman and hadestown

Which makes Hades' "I don't think we've met before" line to Orpheus really funny in a "let's both pretend that show never happened" sort of way.

@@mirandatilley2486 I also find it a little funny that Patrick played/plays Reeve's foil character in both musicals.

if this pattern continues then reeve's post-hadestown career is gonna be fucking insane

Went from one show with Greek themes to another show with Greek themes but this ones Greek themes actually have a reason to be there

Look at the fallout after the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, that's a pretty amazing case of dominos falling across the globe. The death of one person can have massive reverberations when certain criteria are met, even more so in today's world where information can be shared live or seconds after an event. There are definitely some negative aspects to having that immediate communication across the world, we are now faced with "if it bleeds it leads" news telling us all about the terrible crime in places you never go. Even worse we now have to hear about the plethora of death, greed and abuses that plague the world and almost no one speaks about the good things that happen, it can make ppl a bit crazy and make a bad situation a hundred times worse.

There's an alt universe out there where he didn't die, and this show was the best Broadway show ever, and not even Hamilton would've dethroned it. But we'll never see it.

Not only his death, but the fact that they tried to make it happen on Broadway first. They really should have just made it in Vegas like a Cirque du Soleil show.

"the right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world"

Ft

oof. And I have to imagine that it not being your fault makes it better and worse at the same time. What happened in your case?

@@bryanchandler3486 At the top part of the stage we had a wooden door of some sort to keep the aerial straps centered, but they pulled the straps a little too high so that the swivel mechanisms got stuck in the wooden panel.

What show was this?

@@offsewingdragons9142 it was One the musical in the Netherlands :)

@@sembach1255, I pity you, stranger. I pity you..

He did invested in a restaurant though

Manuel David Rendon Acevedo wiiiiith, pretty much, the same result

@Imaru Lewis or cartoon.

Or action figures

@Imaru Lewis First rule of the game, right after looking both ways, and washing your hands. I remember my mom sitting me down and telling me to never invest in anything spider man related unless it was movies or comics

I've heard about that. Why is it that Macbeth is considered cursed.

@@bilbebop3693 No idea. I think Theatre people get very superstitious. Like how saying “Good Luck” is bad luck so instead they say “Break a Leg!” And also they refer “Macbeth” as “The Scottish Play” because it has something to do with evil Spirits or some crap.

@@maxkennedy7430 More specificaly witches. A coven of witches objected to Shakespeare using real incantations, so they put a curse on the play. Legend has it the play's first performance (around 1606) was riddled with disaster. Some believe Shakespeare brought the curse upon his own play by using authentic spells in the three witches’ dialogue, while others believe that a production that has been staged for more than 400 years is bound to have its fair share of accidents. Either way, most thespians don’t want to take any chances.

@bilbebop As far as plays go, it’s had its fair share of accidents, both on stage and on screen. A lot of the well-known stage accidents are theorized to be because the play is known to be shorter, less expensive, and generally more low-effort than Shakespeare plays, and thus is used more often by novice groups. Considering how many prop weapons are needed for the play, this can cause problems. Stabby problems. Of course, the superstition is rooted in some witch-related story which varies from telling to telling. Either Shakespeare used a real spell which attached a curse to every production, or outside witches cursed the play either because the spell was real or because they were being represented unfairly. Either way it’s a spooooooky curse. All of this is to say that yes, there’s probably non-supernatural reasons for the curse, but also it’s a fun story and if it is real I’m sure as hell not going to let myself get cursed

There are actually a few mediums like that. The opera “La Forza Del Destino” was considered cursed for a long time because world famous baritone Leonard Warren died onstage after finish an aria about how he did not fear dead.

THANK YOU for not blaming Taymor for everything like everyone else is. Classic case of misogyny, the lot of them.

@@BassGal92 I don't think you have the evidence here to back that claim. Please save that word for when it matters.

@@BassGal92 How about save that word and use it when it matters

Understandable. They did have the rights to Green Goblin, tho? What on earth?

​@@BassGal92 Misogyny?

I had that same thought XD

Something that wasn't mentioned in this video is that the producers did initially reach out to Cirque Du Soleil about co-producing the show as a joint venture. The powers that be at CDS - who actually had experience with this sort of thing and knew what they were talking about - came back with an estimate of both the money and length of development / rehearsal a show with the proposed aerials and effects would cost, and the Broadway producers turned it down because they thought it could be done cheaper and didn't want as long a development process. Of course, given all the setbacks before it finally officially opened, they probably ended up close to what CDS had estimated it would take, but with all of the focus having been on the technical end, the story suffered.

@@ballybough23 Interesting. That's actually a part they should have included. Of course CDS made the huge misstep of trying to branch out to a younger straight male audience with "RUN" that was like... a live action Fast and Furious movie. It was full of car chases and stunts and projections and... explosions and stuff. They spent a fortune on it and it was completely ignored. They lost tens of millions on it and it closed in about 3 months. It was a huge reason that CDS went bankrupt and is probably going to shut down for good. Fans of Cirque Du Soleil weren't interested in seeing a live action movie and fans of action movies didn't want to see a bunch of acrobats acting out action sequences from Fast and Furious movies.

Well said!

@@chuckufarley9161 Why do you have to bring age, gender and sexuality into this? I'm all three of those things you mentioned and I don't give a shit about cars, little own fast the furyshit infinite sequel crap.

@@drafezard7315 sounds like someone needs to learn the importance of found family

Fr the set was absolutely beautiful, it looks like it came straight from a comic panel.

@BiBro one of few it seems

Yeah, no, they really should have done it in Vegas. Then it would have run for 5 years or something.

Would have worked a lot better as a travelling (and thus scaled down and cheaper) show. Las Vegas might have worked, maybe, but Spider-Man is primarily a family friendly enterprise with kids as the target audience. Kids aren’t usually going to Vegas.

And then some!

What she did beyond the costumes and sets?

​​@@sarasamaletdin4574 Directed the entire thing? Edit: do you know what directors do?

You are so right. I was just thinking that!

Arachne won the competition. Athena got mad and Arachne killed herself in fear of Athena's wrath. Athena isn't the good guy in this story.

@@Lemonrollcake Well, tbf to OP, there's multiple different versions of the myth. Theirs and yours are equally as valid because the stories were shared verbally, and so, the boundaries of the human mind came into play, modifying the story as it was told. And really, both versions are valid to use in this story.

People swear by that book “the hero with a thousand faces”

@@Lemonrollcake depends on if you're listening to the traditional stories or Ovid (a dude who absolutely HATED authority and the Greek pantheon)

Ikr? I mean I always wondered if spiderman was something real but I'd never heard of it so I just assumed it was something they made up for titus despite knowing the lion King was a musical and so when I saw this video I knew I had to watch it to find out if it was anything like the show

I've been meaning to watch UKS for years, what's something you love about it?

@@bryanchandler3486 the characters are just so fun to watch and the fish out of water cliche doesn't over stay its welcome, it also genuinely makes me laugh out loud

Same! I thought it was a joke! 😅

wait which ep was that i don’t remember that happening ??

They even called it a "Geek Chorus" 🤢

Taymor is a talented woman but she was not right for this

I really like her, but she's totally wrong for this. If you're going to do superheroes, you really need to be aware that they are what they are. They're not high culture. They're not intellectually compelling. They're not high art. It's also really hard to show a lot of character development in a stage play if that's not the main focus of the production at large. (Death of a Salesman doesn't have pyrotechnics and giant choruses.) It's doubly hard to show character development with kitschy subject matter from the onset. You need a zippy story and some compelling visuals. She's not that person. Kudos to her for trying to give a movie turned into a Broadway musical (tacky and hateful as a whole) a bit more depth. She way, way overshot though. Again, kudos for trying to make something a bit smarter that would appeal to theater snobs and people from flyover who just want to see their favorite movie on stage. D- for overall results though. If she came into this thinking the audience is roughly the same as for a production like Sponge Bob The Musical, she would have been more successful. Sponge Bob doesn't need an overarching story about saving our marine habitats. Sponge Bob is Sponge Bob. Spiderman should have gotten the same kind of treatment.

@@Bunny-ch2ul I'd be interested to see what a movie version of hers would look like. Her directorial debut was really beautiful.

Yeah it's take real "talent" to Ruin a globally beloved superhero. It's people like her ruining the MsheU and Fan favorite Hollywood Franchises *RIGHT NOW*. But yeah she's talented....

BlueChord agree

Welcome back hahaha

Welcome back hahaha

Reeve Carney?

Looking at Julie’s background she seems to more care about real life historical tragedy’s, Shakespeare plays and alternative set and costume design that doesn’t adhere to normal methods. Sure she did Lion King but that was a story that kinda needed a unique visual style to work on stage how else are you gonna depict a lion singing with a meerkat and a warthog on Broadway without it looking ridiculous? How did they think this was gonna go? she is the exact wrong person to do a superhero story, it’s like when they got Ang Lee to do a Hulk movie and a good chunk of it was Hulk staring at the tranquility of nature

@@mrcritical6751 And like hiring Ang Lee for Hulk, the decision was based on the one thing she did that was the least representative of her work (Lion King for Taymor, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon for Lee).

@@mrcritical6751 holy shit I thought the Ang Lee thing was a joke. lol

@@mrcritical6751 I thought Ang Lee's Hulk was a great film, the cgi was good for 2003, Danny Elfman's score is amazing, the actors do a decent job and it explored the messed undercurrent of the Hulk comics.

Yeah, she's very sophisticated. Her approach and aesthetic are very intellectual. She doesn't pretend otherwise. Why anyone thought they should hire her for a production that's essentially kitsch from the start is beyond me. She was perfect for The Lion King because The Lion King is basically Hamlet, and since it's about animals, it needs to be heavily stylized. (Or it would be Disney on Ice, and they clearly didn't want that.) There's a lot of meat there to work with. Superheroes? Not so much. I wouldn't want to watch Seth MacFarlane try his hand at writing something Ibsen-esque, and I wouldn't want to watch Ibsen's take on Family Guy. This is 100% that level of mismatch.

I would have expected there to be a crash pad just in case that happened....!

what was his canon event tho

​@@neru1584the actors injury

OSHA to the producers: "Gonna cry?"

The Audience: You want forgiveness? Get religion

Oh. Oh. Oh oh Kay. 😂

The Critics - "You're Trash Taymore"

Plot twist: That was the REAL Spider-Gwen origin story.😅

That sounds like the saddest moment ever, thinking you can swing and falling like in Spider-Man 2. Sorry bout that, it just sounds so soul crushing.

WHEN WILL YOU LEARN?!

THAT YOUR ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@@jamiee7367 *THAT YOUR CONSEQUENCES HAVE ACTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"With great consequences, come great actions." - Parker Peter's Auntie Ben

The replies in this thread are everything I'd hope they'd be.

I don't think adding Greek mythology elements to a campy sci-fi story would ever have worked. The theming clashes.

Well, yeah. But if the writers wanted to save the script and had no option to remove it.

Moreover, if Norse mythology is "real" in Marvel's stories then it probably wouldn't phase people too much.

@@stapler942 It could work, but I don't think it could work as "Spider-Man with Greek myth add-ons". It should be something like Batman Ninja, where the whole thing is built as Greek Myth: Spider-Man Flavoured. Really feels like they picked the wrong director for this franchise. Just because it worked for Lion King doesn't mean it'll work with any "children's media" (or whatever connection they saw).

@@orca042 Greek tragedies feels more DC, being that they are gods among men.

I actually thought it was called Turn of the Dark for the longest time. Thought it was a cool name. When I finally saw the a poster and saw it was called Turn Off the Dark, I was like wtf does that even mean?

@@xJusteBx Easy, you turn off the Dark

Board meeting was like: “How about ‘spiderman turn on the light’?” “Nonono, it has to be more vague” “Perhaps,‘Turn off the dark’?” “Genius”