Why the Music in Les Misérables (2012) is Worse than you Thought 

Being inhumane to your cast is not a ‘sacrifice for the art’ it doesn’t matter if you pay them 500 million dollars, it’s abuse from an employer. The oscars awarding this is so repulsive it makes my skin crawl.

Right?! It's this behaviour that led to Leonardo Di Caprio in the Revenant. Fine, he did a great job, but when you get to this point, is it even acting? No disrespect meant to Leo or Annie or anyone else, I really like them both. But aren't those specific Oscars for the best acting performance? I'm sure anyone can react in horror to having their head shaved and wading in the mire to reach an uncomfortable bath all the while trying to sing thirsty and tired. Or go through the awfulness of the plot of the Revenant and look like you're having an awful time. It sounds mean and I again, I don't mean to denigrate them (it is surely on the directors in most cases)... But they could just actually act it without having to actually bear the pain of it. Leo didn't die of hypothermia and drowning in Titanic, but then if he did tbf maybe he would've won an Oscar then? You're right that this system just leads to more and more actors flagellating themselves for roles and then for awards prestige which then leads to more roles and prestige. For example, Christian Bale's body must be a wreck! Reminds me of how Henry Cavill has to dehydrate himself for days in the same way as Hugh for his shirtless scenes in The Witcher. It's not healthy and doesn't it kind of ruin it on rewatches to know that they were suffering? Let them act!

@@richardbourton4523 I don't see anything wrong with suffering for your art. The Revenant will be remembered as one of Leo's best roles and for good reason. I do think the Oscars is a joke though. Some of what makes certain actors so damn impressive is their dedication to their craft. It comes down to the question of, would you rather be healthy or interesting.

@@Daniel-cw5yv Healthy and interesting should be rewarded by the Oscars, not just interesting. They're the Oscars for a reason, they should be able to find a film which can do both.

I mean, I still have respect for Tom Hanks' preparation for Castaway, and some people say that playing Joker lead to Heath Ledger's death (personally I would say unless you're a psychologist don't make claims like that), but the thing is, no one should be _forced_ to do anything like that. Sure, it lead to some great performances, but part of that was it being at least somewhat voluntary.

Healthy pee is 1 to 3... 4 to 8, you must hydrate.

My marching band in high school was very competitive, and my director used to tell us that if our pee wasn’t clear we weren’t drinking enough and were letting the other members down lol

When I used to sing stuff the vocal teacher I want to said 'sing wet, pee clear'

WHITE?

@@jirachisob5633 prolly means "clear" or as close to clear as possible

Finally, somebody who appreciates the sacrifices of those who created this fabulous production.

@@happinesstan. The film is still bad.

Watching the Les Miserables 25th anniversary show is such a revelation. They do everything so perfectly in that show.

Piano jail! 😂

C A G E T H E P I A N I S T

So they don't run away from this movie

Bonk

Go to piano jail B O N K

it honestly kinda makes everyone look SUPER suspicious at this point, i'm not gonna rule out tomothy here doing some super weird pressuring on his actors to do harmful shit (like what happened with anne hathaway's weight loss and on-camera haircut)

@@flamepunk8683 What’s harmful about getting a haircut? Don’t be such a baby

@@ohwellwhateverr There's nothing inherently harmful about getting a haircut, yes, you're right. Congrats. But it does make it very demanding for the sake of "realism". It's kinda degrading, lasts for (obviously) a lot longer than just doing it fake, and means you basically get one take which is a lot of pressure on everyone involved. All in all, while it's not the worst thing by a mile, it's just... not necessary?

@@Charbified fucking THANK YOU it's also on camera, meaning whatever degradation would be there is gonna be shown around in theatres and shit, it's not something you'd just *do* on a whim, and i doubt it was against her will or anything, but it really just highlights the way the producers saw their actors in that movie. Especially when beauty standards and shit in hollywood, mainstream media, etc, for women especially, and concerning their hair, i doubt it would have been all that pleasant, and there's a hundred ways to get the same effect without degrading your performers.

Maybe he could have lost some weight, jacked himself up and not dehydrated himself? Prisoners back in those days would have been drinking water. And there's a difference between the look of a bodybuilder's body and a guy who does a lot of hard labour on low rations all day, so it probably didn't even look that accurate.

So it was basically a method acted musical movie called"The Miserables"?

@@erikbihari3625method acting isn't always good, unless you think a death in a movie should be real

@@joedav67 the largest r/wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh you will ever have

He got better!

He probably had singing classes in drama school.

He was so good that when he first appeared I was like, “Oh, finally! At least they brought *someone* in from musical theatre!” (I had never heard of him before).

I remember when it was just released people were questioning the non famous names in the cast, if they could perform. And then there was a video of just a sound of Eddie Redmayne singing Ave Maria and it was so good and people were like yup, I think he would be a good Marius. I try to search it again around here but I couldn't find it anymore.

I see what you did there

Lmaoo

Ah, very thematic.

The true Miserables was the crew all along

The Second French Revolution took place in 1832, when Victor Hugo published the Hunchback of Notre Dame. It's kind of thematic to Hugo's life, as he wrote Les Mis almost 30 years after he wrote Hunchback, and set it to the same time when he published the latter book. Hunchback is actually pretty miserable, and even though Les Miserables had a happy ending, I think it would have worked better if it was published in 1832 instead of Hunchback.

Off topic, but I love your pfp. It's adorable.

I would much rather watch a movie with blatant practical/computer effects than know the talent put themselves in serious danger to achieve a particular look, I tell you what. And Ann Hathaway immediately going on record saying "*This was not impressive, I did to look like I was dying, don't do this*" and directors still demand dangerous crap... disgusting.

I would agree but you can also give up the roles for YOUR own health. As adults we like to blame other things for issues we’ve caused for ourselves. I don’t think ANYONE should starve themselves, dehydrate themselves, harm themselves FOR ANY REASON let alone a role but if you do it anyways… knowing better… uhhhh I think both the actor and the directors are to blame, not just one. This does not go for child actors though.

@@bunniesinatrenchcoat1809 under a certain amount of duress, your choices are not entirely your own

@@bunniesinatrenchcoat1809 Since it's currently an industry norm, actors don't really have a choice with this. It's like poor conditions for factory workers in sweatshops or the industrial revolution, if you're unwilling to put up with this treatment someone else will be more than willing to take your place and your paycheck.

Their fingers/hands/wrists/shoulders, and the throats/mouths/lips of any wind players, must’ve been in such intense pain. The longest I’ve ever played my clarinet in one sitting was about 3 hours and by the end of it the only parts of me that weren’t tired and sore were my legs lol

@@shammyturtle9741 exactly. It’s insane to imagine going for eight whole hours. Three is insanely painful. I can’t even picture how much pain those guys were in.

I'm sure Tom Hooper had a thing for overworking his employees. Like, he gets a kick out of it.

String instruments aren’t bad to play long. I play for 4 hours at a time on guitar just for fun

I have actually played for 8+ hours in high school for honor bands, but I had breaks in between. I play clarinet, and even that little thing had me in pain. My hands ached and my thumb was rubbed so raw I had to ice it on break. My lips were so damn puffy from constant playing, and my jaw was off for a week. Even my back and chest hurt. When we got the chance to get up and walk around I bolt up almost immediately. I've also sang for ridiculously long rehearsals and even that sucks. Breaks are needed if you want top quality performances.

I like Jackman’s singing… when it’s directed well. He has a nice voice, but like every instrument it needs to be directed well

@@voguishthrone5887 Not to mention, properly hydrated. Still not over that water thing.

@@jbvader721 yeah- that is such a *bizarre* thing to do to yourself, *especially* in a singing role

@@voguishthrone5887 An experienced singer like Jackman should've known better and Tom Hooper shouldn't have encouraged him. But Hooper isn't musically inclined to know how dangerous that was.

I know right? I laughed there, but I guess she’s not suppose to sound like she’s dying. Forfeiting the nice singing for some acting and starving/dying of thirst for “authenticity” is dumb, cause the singing is the hallmark of the show

@@TicklishCrown I disagree on that one. On film we are way closer to the actors and actresses than in a theatre, so for me the acting has to be more important than the singing. In music theatre you have singing with acting and in this film it is acting with singing.

@@blauespony1013 Yeah, but the music itself is the narrative device. I'd get it if you said "acting first and stunt work after", but the emotions and impact of the scenes literally rely on the quality of the singing voice. That's what a musical is. And that's why musicals are so hard to make into movies. On stage, the emotions have to be big, and the songs make those emotions big. Film is a medium from which audiences expect subtler performances, therefore, making emotions big through songs work usually to a fault.

@@PabloLopez-rp7lq but the whole point was to try something different with this musical and put the acting first. It was experimental and I think it worked. It put you in the scene much more than if they were to sing flawlessly no matter the circumstance. But that's just my opinion. That's why I prefer the movie version of the soundtrack rather than the stage version (though I'm sure saying that is straight up heresy on this channel).

TicklishCrown choosing to have the musical performance be less “ethereal” than the stage performance is a choice; you can like or dislike it, but it’s not an inherently invalid one. Personally, I like the effect of having the characters sing in a way that reflects their physical performance.

I'm sure they were handsomely rewarded for their efforts.

@@jimmunster57 a-and? For a professional musician, getting hurt permanently as a result of playing music (which often results in never being able to play that instrument at a professional level again) would be a death sentence for their career and rob them of a skill they've built up with thousands of practice hours over the course of decades. How many millions per member of the orchestra would the company have to dish out to sufficiently compensate for that risk? I don't think there's any amount of money in the world that can make up for such a loss.

And the music in Les Mis is one of the hardest musicals' music to play.

@@jimmunster57 Lol, musicians getting paid. That's something new

I think they only had one pianist playing while they sung, not the entire orchestra

He sounds like he’s getting punched in the gut with every word. XD

​@@Dreigonix with how dehydrated he was, he might as well have been punched. It mightve been a better performance

He was trying to sing like someone who was loosing his temper

I played violin from late elementary to early high school. The wrists won't just be on fire, so will the entire goddamn hands, backs, and rears. Oh and arms! Playing for 2 consecutive hours was always hard for me but I managed to push through. I can't imagine 3 without breaks in between. Those poor musicians most likely had something damaged by the end of their recording

@@sunchasericeserawings7166 The butt and back was worst for me. Literally no breaks in between playing to lay back made my back try to kill itself. Worse was we sat on those metal folding chairs so our tail bone and hips literally die inside. I think I’ll die at 30 because a clot that built up from my performances will come loose and block my heart.

@@themanwithallthewrongopini3551 oof. Yeah as I'm older with a back and tailbone injury I think those would kill me more nowadays. Good goddess... I feel so bad for all these musicians

@@sunchasericeserawings7166 I was lucky to have a front row seat to see Ben Folds performing with YMusic. The violinist played with her whole body so much so that her hair was swinging about. She must have gotten completely exhausted but she gave that violin LIFE!

@@starkman78 oh yeah, that would be exhausting but worth it

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This RU-vid channel has a video about the same Director and how horribly he messed up the music in Cats (2019). After this nightmare production, I'm surprised he was allowed to continue in his profession. I can't imagine he ever had the best interest of the actors and their health on his priority list. Not to mention the orchestra. You can imagine how he treated the camera crew and everybody else on set if he's that horrible with star actors. I really recommend the Cats analysis. It's one hour and five minutes, but if you start around the 50th minute, the narrator goes into overdrive. There are a lot of comments on that video saying how many times they have watched it because of how good the analysis is, and how much passion the RU-vid creator has.

Considering the name, story and meaning of the name of Les Mis, torturing the cast and crew netted a remarkably more realistic performance than they would have otherwise.

@@sorashirogami1729. Wow, so you think the real world is a piece of turd. Why do you think clean places exist? Because people built and keep them tip top!

@@erikbihari3625 Your reply has the faintest of relations to my comment, juuust enough for me to be unable to say that it has nothing to do with my comment at all. Well done. Just so we're clear here, I was making a joke about how the cast and crew were miserable when making a production titled, you guessed it, The Miserable People. That's what Les Miserables mean. That's all there is to it. Evidently, it flew over your head, although considering how this joke is so lowbrow it's a tripping hazard in hell it is actually impressive how fucking stupid you have to be to miss my point so hard. Well done, you dingus.

@@sorashirogami1729 Still, I'd argue that the entire performance could've benefited if the 'musical' part of the entire production didn't have to be the one to compromise when everything quite literally originates from a musical. It's one thing to make a good normal dialogue-heavy film, but it's another to make a musical act like a dialogue-heavy film with all the sacrifices of a dialogue-heavy film. It just doesn't work to serve the same purpose, and if Hooper wanted that he could've done that - but instead he opted for a half-assed gimmicky setup. They told the story of Les Mis but didn't bother trying to do it the way Les Mis wanted it to be done. Was the performance in the movie itself great? It was emotionally riveting, so of course it wasn't bad. But it's more of a luck of the draw that the cast itself was just competent and lucky enough to have at least made it into what it was. Had they been 1% less lucky, the performance would have toppled, and they wouldn't have gotten at least a half-decent musical film out of it. They shouldn't have risked that and should've opted for the more secure and more impactful decision of just keeping the musical's integrity as a musical, and to have allowed their actors to facilitate that by ensuring that the production kept their eye on the integrity of their vocal performances. But they didn't, because Hooper couldn't care less.

To this day I have never watched the full movie, even though I love Les Miserables; it was the first musical I ever saw. I read the book as well and watched the BBC film adaptation multiple times. This movie just offends my sensibilities. Of course, Samantha Barks knocks it out of the park but she is the only thing I can appreciate in this disaster.

the movie was my first exposure to Les Mis. when I saw it, my first reaction was "so this is the musical that everyone loves so much? it's kinda meh" then I went and saw a stage production at a local theater. it BLEW ME AWAY. I was so touched by the story and emotion. I cried so hard at multiple points, that after it was done, the person I saw it with had to ask if I was ok. I haven't seen the movie again since then, but I have seen this video about a dozen times, and that's about enough for me lol.

this was me with the into the woods Disney movie versus the 1980 broadway musical on RU-vid I can't even get through the movie anymore LMAO

I actually watched the movie first, and was like meh about it, couldn't see why it was an award winning musical. Years later I watched the 10th anniversary theatre version and was blown. Away. It made me, an atheist, have a religious experience at the line 'to love another is to see the face of God'. And this video laid it all out so clearly why the disparity is huge! Phantom of the opera (25th anniversary) and Les Mis (10th anniversary) are now my top two musicals ❤️

@@xx_izzyxx2250 every worker has their limits, no matter what profession they are in.

@@xx_izzyxx2250 yes but you check out the behind the scences of this movie , the actor were made to do some hard stuff

They probably got paid for it too lol

I feel like the director wanted to be like Kubrick, but came to the conclusion that if Kubrick's actors were abused, then that is what makes a director good. The end result or overall quality of product seemed secondary to "being seen as a creative visionary"

@@thenonsenseguy2364 watch the fucking video or just listen to it at least, jesus

Reminds me of that wrestling video with the empty arena where Bray Wyatt monologues at John Cena and it's dead quiet, and suddenly wrestling taunts turn into a soliloquy from a conceptual play, and John looks sooo uncomfortable

I'm in tears

Yeah I also thought this- he was a choral scholar through school and then also at Trinity college Cambridge, so he actually had a pretty rigorous background

makes sense, because he is the only one who acts like he is in a musical and knows how to sell it (besides Barks obviously)

@@writerintherye And Aaron Tveit! He’s so good

As a violinist and flutist I completely agree. That shit would hurt

@@caithemburrow5569 tendinitis galore

That’s legit abuse, like marching band performers barely have to play and March for 4-5 hours at a time but at least we’re granted plenty of breaks

The director is crazy and uneducated, that's all lol

Brass commiting suicide in the back row

Its the Actors/Actress decision nobody forces them, if they dont want to do it, they shouldnt take the job.

@@Hesher93 ah yes... and if an actor decides to jump off a building to recreate a character's physical ailments, its ok because its their decision, and noone forced them to. It shouldn't matter if it was their decision or not. someone needed to have told them that if they do this they have a chance of seriously harming themselves. Imagine a world where hugh jackman or anne hathaway did get serious vocal damage. (thank goodness they didnt) We would be shorted of these actors and the future performances they might give.

Please, actors do it to serve their own interests. By showing that they can/will do/learn something for a specific project, they are showing everybody (from the Academy to the general audiences) how much committed they are to their art. That makes them more bankable, respectable, recognizable and award-worthy. It's the same with athletes who keep pushing their physical limits by repeatedly winning medals/trophies and breaking records.

@@allywatchstation As if they didnt know that, they are adults for gods sake, they know what they are doing. They know what eating an Apple a day would/could do to them, they are adults, its their decision, there is something like personal responsibility. At the end of the day, they do it because they love it or for the pay check, nobody forces them. Espacially actors like Hughe Jackman who can handpick their roles.

OP: "This bad thing needs to stop being the norm." Reply 1: "no one's FORCING them. If they don't want to be abused, someone else will be abused instead." Yes. That's the problem. Reply 3: "the actors do it because they benefit/profit from it." Yes. That's the problem. Reply 4: "well it's always been like this, so..." Yes, that's why OP said it needs to STOP. Shout out to reply 2 for understanding what OP's words meant in the order OP put them in. It was apparently a pretty monumental achievement.

Did you recover by the time he explained why was it wrong? 😂 I bet you needed more time than that.

They will have had worse, that’s what orchestras do. They play music hours on end. That’s what they are paid to do.

pros are trained for long days but for wind players (i’m a clarinettist) i can’t imagine that their embouchure will have held up perfectly. they train for stamina though!

@@xx_izzyxx2250 you sound like my HR.

@@xx_izzyxx2250 But for 10 hours straight?? Constantly, to the point where they are begging for a 2 minute break? That could have crippled their professional music career. They were not paid enough for that.

@@xx_izzyxx2250 Orchestras are NOT paid to play 'performance' level for multiple hours on end. Sure, they may PRACTICE for hours on end, but its often at a significantly reduced strain. They had to go all out for hours.

Damn that’s tragic

see this is what broadway does to actors too though. making them work through colds and shit because it’s tony season, it shocks me how little vocal damage has happened…

Brian Molko did this at Cardiff CIA a few years ago, tried to perform Placebo's greatest hits with essentially the middle aged man level of freshers flu. I was there. It was sad. He spent months with an ENT having surgeries afterwards... we're going back to see them again soon and hoping the battle to save his voice was worth it.

I've had my voice completely collapse during a stage performance... it turned me off of musical theatre forever honestly.... all because I was forced... FORCED into singing in a register that my voice wasn't made for at all, I'm a low tenor, higher end bass singer, they expected me to hit notes meant for a female vocalist and I did and it hurt so much that my voice died on stage, completely, in the middle of the show, couldn't make a sound, couldn't speak a word and somehow that was MY fault.

Right?! Wtf was MacIntosh thinking trusting THIS ONE to do this.

Probably because he didn't go into the karaoke performance after not drinking water for 36 hours

​@@elsie8757amazing what you can sound like when you're not torturing yourself

⁠@@jplayzowI want to laugh but this is legit what happened

@@stellarluna1834 Yeah go figure doing literally everything the wrong way to get a good product doesn't get a good product

Well because he wasn't drinking water and...did you watch the video?

Yessssss! It is the best!

I almost exclusively listen to the original London recording because it’s what I grew up on, but I make an exception for the 10th anniversary concert because it’s amazing

@@shammyturtle9741 I get that entirely.

fr the comparision cuts made it seem like the movie was a 10th grade school production

@@writerintherye And it had NO RIGHT to be that way. Realism comes when you focus on developing your characters, stories and plots, not from developing "The right feeling."

They’re lucky no one dropped fucking dead

Same. But I enjoyed it for the sole fact of it being Les Miserables - book, movie, musical, I cry every time.

I watched the movie first and thought it was pretty bad and didn’t understand what the hype was about. Then I saw this vid and was like ☹️. Figured out why lol

Saw stage first then film and didn't think the film was that bad yes Hugh and Russell didn't sound great but if u pull any film apart like this your bound to find issues

Big mood. Although I believed I had watched the Liam Neeson non-musical version first but to hell if I ever retained any from it.

Same, but now I’m doing a production of Les Mis and they didn’t do very well.

Or outright refuse to allow the actors to abuse themselves like that. If it were me, I’d insist on hydrating. Oh my goddddd

And THAT is why she won the Oscar!

@@OmniphonProductions Are they awarding the effort instead of the actual end result of the performance?

Actors are professional vocalists...and speech arts is a real discipline of study. I once saw Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen perform a play without amplification, and I could hear everything from the back row. They are pro stage actors who know how to project without injury. Similarly, Audra McDonald did a show as Billie Holliday, in vocal fry for the whole show run. No injuries. She's a master, who knows how to manage the task in a healthy way for her voice. My guess is that Anne Hathaway has this type of skill. She makes the sounds in that song without straining her voice like a layperson would...said layperson would probably do far more vocal work than was necessary to produce those sounds. Likewise, a professional pianist isn't really working all that hard, physically, because they've taught themselves a certain economy of motion while accomplishing physical tasks which amateurs haven't internalized yet and thus overdo.

@@ivorytickler7777 Audra McDonald is a _goddess!!!_ Knowing how she usually sounds, when I saw the Billie Holiday performance, I couldn't help wondering whether (metaphorically) making a clarinet sound like a muted trumpet...caused her discomfort. However, as you say, there are techniques by which professionals avoid discomfort (or damage) that laypersons might otherwise incur. Death Metal vocalists and professional voice actors would all have very short careers without such tricks of the trade. Having said that, not all professional actors are _singers_ (or dancers for that matter), especially if they have specifically focused their attention on film. (I'm lookin' at you, Russell Crowe!) There's is an added degree of difficulty in Musical Theater that most people simply don't appreciate, largely because people like Audra McDonald make it look so easy. With all this in mind, I think your final paragraph is spot-on; especially considering that Anne Hathaway nailed _I Dreamed A Dream_ on the fourth take.

@@OmniphonProductions She also grew up watching backstage while her mom sang that same role!

That's one and a half days - you can die from not drinking any water for a period of over 2 days!

I keep thinking about the massive kidney pain in his lower back. Ouch!

I'm not surprised if his kidneys are broken

Well the thing with specifically Jackman is that it isn’t new to him- actors playing superheroes are often asked to dehydrate for a stupid amount of time because it makes the muscles pop out better or something. Doesn’t excuse it and actually is emblematic of some bigger stuff, but for him specifically it wasn’t super new.

could've (& probably did) seriously damage his voice

I'm feeling mighty thirsty right about now

Hydrohomies spotted

Saaaaaaaame

Same

Man, I literally got up and went to drink water after that part, that sounds painful

I used to sing a ton and this made me go grab several cups of water. jesus fuck that's utterly horrifying to me. It's the same thing as taking a hammer to a brass instrument, you just don't fucking do it.

SAME

I drank 24 oz and I still feel thirsty. Why would Jackman agree to that?! My throat is sore just thinking of it. Whyyyyyy

not a vocalist at all but my throat is screaming at the very thought

I drank a cup of jizz!!

While I completely agree that it's criminal he didn't get the part, I'm at the very least relieved to know he dodged a bullet given the conditions all of the musicians in this movie endured pfpff

@@TheTrueTurtlegirl Heh. Somehow I doubt he would have needed more than one take. Or given up drinking WATER. Jeez, I can't over how stupid that is.

@@jippy33 Honestly, the idea of intentionally depriving oneself of water for the sake of a performance is bad enough, worsened significantly by the idea of someone SINGING under those circumstances. The fact that they say that all so casually and with proud smiles on their faces is HORRIFYING.

When I'm doing an hour of PRACTICE I drink at least 4 bottles throughout to keep myself sounding even vaguely presentable. I also gasped and clutched my throat in solidarity

To quote Joseph Joestar : OH GOOOOODDDD!!

this video is what got me back intodrinkign water. Hearing Davis like that, I couldn't imagine that much damage or what it might feel like

im a vocalist, it aint.

You Can't sing, CAN'T sing with so little water very well. That was terrifying to find out. Plus so little water hurts everything else!

He had that much blatter control ?!?!

@@PutBoxOnMe “bladder” 🙄🙄

@@tose917 Who cares man? Seriously. Someone might criticize you for using emojis, and you’re out here critiquing incorrect spelling? Hypocrite; didn’t even spell “forever” right in your own name.

To me it seems his dedication is still there, it just went into prioritizing the acting visuals (often at the expense of vocal performance, as the video shows).

@@CaptPhiI yeah true, I actually think that the movie had good acting, with good facial expressions that added depth to the story. Despite that, the singing is clearly not up to standard, as are a few…other things (cough cough-Javert’s suicide-cough cough).

Ironic.

You should hear it in a New Zealand accent.

Seriously. How hard is it to say "Lay Mizzerab"?

@@jimluebke3869 He was doing it to be funny. Pretty sure Sideways knows how to pronounce Les Misérables.

I want to upvote this comment multiple times. The cringe was strong.

Right? When I was so surprised by his performance in this film because I knew he started in musical theater.

Hugh's passion gets the better of him when it comes to musicals. When they did the rehearsal for investors he wasn't supposed to sing due to surgery but he ended up doing it anyway because he got caught by the energy in the room. He needs a good director to nudge him on the right path.

and not singing full blast for 8 hours straight every day!

@@SquareViking I read about that. Apparently he ripped stitches. Like... calm down, Hugh?

@@SquareViking I don't think he understands that there's a difference between sacrificing and putting your all into a role and just being void of logic.

Seyfried is 38, and Snow White is supposed to be 14

@@ad-sd-vids5332 You talk as if actors can't play roles that aren't their age.

West Side Story '21 also did a lot of live singing on set, so whatever you think of the casting, Zegler's chops are not in question.

​​@@TheSoulCalledZuziaYou talk as if a 38 year old actress could ever believably play a 14 year old.

@@lordfarquaad8601 Good actress could believably play a 14 year old. She may not look at one, though.

What’s wild is most of the cast had experience, they were just put in such awful conditions that their performances suffered.

Agreed. Stanislavsky is rolling in his grave.

I think it's a dangerous idea, that pain=greatness. Not to mention, kind of stupid. By this logic torture victims should be topping the bestsellers and awards lists. Oddly enough, no one has tried to test out my "Being tortured makes you a great artist theory." It reminds me of the make work fallacy, that people used to be better because they suffered more. Oddly enough not many people are volunteering to live medieval in the western world.

Y'all seen the Revenant? Lol.

@@niallreid7664 Leonardo put himself in hell and sat there like 🔥🔥🐶☕🔥🔥

You might want to check out this great video essay on Method Acting by Broey Deschanel, it goes into a lot the problems with the suffering = art mentality ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-AVWGyuBFgzw.html

I salute to them and am also terrified of their wrath

@@Goblinoiddoof string players have the anger to fight god and will win because they have the final reserves stamina to keep going when God's exhausted

@@artemisfowldragon The only people who can fight them off are the Organ players You simply cannot fight people insane enough to play the organ

One example I could think of: Bob Bryar on This Is How I Disappear from MCR´s The Black Parade. After God-knows-how-many-takes you could hear on the final recording how he just wants to murder the drumkit.

Man, the corners of my lips would’ve been sore after *one* hour (I used to play trumpet) playing around the Middle C (ie *not as strenuous on your muscles*)

To be fair i guess they ALSO took the received critics and tried to work on it after the movie was aired

“hugh jackman may be dead, but i’m his brother....kip..hackman.”

Hathaway especially! It’s not that her voice itself is bad during the movie, it’s that her singing voice barely makes an appearance. It’s honestly so sad that she has such a pretty voice but ended up doing the weird half-spoken sob-singing thing.

Hehe mcrmy

Polly Sage i never said I hated it lmao. I like the movie lmao. I said the singing sucked in many parts. But the performances from the holy trinity is really what made it for me. Of course, I was only ten during the movie and was star struck regardless so I mean I didn’t really look deeper into this until seeing this video

Yep, Tom HOOPER clearly likes to throw HOOPS for actors to jump through.

And Amanda Seyfried because 1.She do Mamma Mia which she nailed it 2.She is Amanda Seyfried

It's not just "pure talent" it's a lot of hard work mixed with talent

Colm Wilkinson as well, and I suppose Helena Bonham Carter and Sacha Baron Cohen did a better job than most although not as good as the musical in anyway.

While I agree with the gist of what you're saying, it's likely less about "pure talent" and more simply because she knew both the role and the show (and how the music actually works in the show) inside out, having done it onstage a number of times by the time she was cast in the film, and thus didn't feel the need to needlessly muck around with it as much as *some* people (coughHughJackmancough). Praising someone for being talented is good and all, but it's also good to actually recognise and respect the years of dedicated work they put into it on top of that.

Me too.

L opinion

Well I’m sure a lot of people knew it was a book originally but I was surprised to hear that the musical itself was written in French first

Plus, some Americans probably didn't know it was French and thought it was pronounced "less mi-zur-ah-bels" ;)

zxKAOS1 that’s how this video started lol

I think people think that the novel by Victor Hugo was written in French but maybe assume that Claude-Michel Schoenberg wrote the songs in English.

@@antoinettea6179 Pretty much this. There's the distinction that it takes place in France, or has a French theme, vs. the lyrics itself being in French (language). People are aware _Miss Saigon_ takes place in Vietnam, but wouldn't think that its original adaptation is in Vietnamese (it isn't). Or _Cats_ is about a bunch of cats, but its original language isn't some "feline language" (which it also isn't).

Agreed, it was awful how they were treated, but I didn't really like The Greatest Showman either. Imo, they took an awful man who was literally very abusive and turned him into a hero.

@@420catboi It's all about the perspective from the context. The whole world was abusive towards the 'freaks,' and in that world he was a shining light of acceptance, opportunity and respect. He offered them jobs, gave them a family, etc etc. That there were wage disputes or he teased them for what made them unique and caricaturized them for the sake of the show, may make him something evil in the modern day, in a world where 'weirdos' automatically have more than he offered, thus he would only be taking away. But at the time, all of it was better than what they would have gotten from anyone else, and what more can you ask for besides improvement from where you are now? And they stayed because there wasn't anything better for them- he was peak human rights for them. So to those people, he was their hero, and if we have to polish what he did to make him come across that way to us, so be it.

@@420catboi I see what you mean but it see these kinds of films as fictional works. Like the Conjuring films, I really like them but the warrens in real life were frauds

@@frde2190 I agree. Fictionally, they're stunning pieces of work. But at the same time, I think it's important for people to know the real history behind these stories and why they're so impactful as well. But that's just my opinion. I totally see where you're coming from tho.

@@frenchbreadstupidity7054 I recommend watching Jenny nicholsons video on greatest showman

I thought he was being ironic/witty because it sounds like it was very very miserable for the actors and the orchestra. I would be surprised if this RU-vidr doesn't know how to pronounce it properly given that he seems to be highly educated.

PS. Your name is Internet Ghost and you said his pronunciation killed you. Were you already a ghost before you saw this video, or did this video actually cause your death? Please don't answer if that is too personal a question. Hope you're doing well wherever you might be! 👻

He pronounces it properly every other time on the video, the inaccurate pronunciation was done as a joke.

my first voice lesson with my voice teacher back in high school consisted entirely of me doing breathing exercises on my back to get used to it. And singing on back helps immensely as well. (as long as you're straight and flat)

this is the opposite of what the simpsons taught me

@@oo4667 what do you mean lol

@@carmenmercedes9903 iirc after an operation homer discovers that he's a wonderful singer, but only while lying down

@@oo4667 oohh

Was one of them Wolverine?

And then the greatest showman is good?!? H o w

@@thatpitter He is a good singer, for some reason everything went wrong with this, look up him in Oklahoma

right?? why does he start off irish and end up english and occasionally wander into french?

I think it’s because he decided to not drink water for 36 hours.

Agreed. The jaw thing is what lazy people do to achieve "vibrato." They should be able to oscillate between two notes without needing to move their jaw at all.

I don't think anyone's lying, I think they were just approaching it from different angles. The director probably wanted him to look unrecognizable through makeup and costume and acting. Hugh probably decided to make himself more unrecognizable by changing his body.

@@laurencummings9560 I'm inclined to think Hooper lied. Simply because he's shown as egotistical in trying to completely remodel two beloved highly successful musicals. Maybe i'm creating non existent threads here, but it does seem far off from something he'd do.

@@laurencummings9560 Well. At the end of the day, it's the director's job to direct the actors. So, I still say it would've been his responsibility at the end of the day.

So. If Hooper isn't lying. He could've still told him not to do it. He is the director, and Jackman would've had to listen. So, no matter how you look at it, Hooper looks incredibly bad and incompetent as a director for allowing this to happen.

@@laurencummings9560 That's entirely possible, but honestly, even if he's not lying I don't know how much it matters. The fact that Hooper found out his lead in a musical was deliberately dehydrating himself, and he DIDN'T respond "I appreciate your dedication but that's a massive risk to your health, and also your livelihood because you're an actor and if you ruin your voice that'll be bad for your career, and even if I'm just being completely selfish it will also do terrible things to your singing, so PLEASE make sure you're drinking plenty of water" is bad enough.

thats not really a problem tbh, there are more awkward acting scenerios than that which is why it isn't really acknowledged thats literally the norm

Im learning to get better at it and it feels 100x harder to do it without a backing track, I cant imagine how hard it was for them at least give them an ear piece.

I can’t remember if this is shown in the video but the actors had earpieces where they could hear the piano backing being played, so it wouldn’t have been singing in a vacuum to them, it’s in another BTS video

@@Justice237 Piano is just one instrument and depending on what other instruments are playing you might have have to project more (ik they have throat mics and it's mixed in post, but you still don't get the same effect from just editing it louder) and you can still miss cues like the jobert scene.

Lmfaoooo that was not uncommon in early rehearsals in high school drama. Ahh painful memories 😂😂😂.

I mean, either way he still mentions how Crowe's singing in the film isn't even representative of what his real capability is. I mean the whole point of giving Crowe credit for anything music-related at all is to show just how good he 'should've' been had the production not compromised him, and the rest of the cast's singing ability. But yeah it would be cooler to have further noted just how even more musically competent these people have been, because then it just makes it even sadder when they're not performing up to expectation (less to their own accord, and more because of the production).

Literally every male buff male actor has done it. Its not good but it makes muscles pop and appear more toned

Chad Kroeger Yeah and it’s not healthy. They should not do that. Nobody said they don’t they said they should not

@@DeathnoteBB *should not* Either do it, or someone else will. It's their job. You don't get to play Cpt. America by being average.

adam goessl bro dehydration isn’t healthy. don’t encourage unhealthy behavior because there are other means to get ahead

@@gabrielleporter553 It doesn't matter what I promote. We live in a capitalist society. Viewership will drop if Thor isn't as ripped. No one will be able to make a compelling argument that he's actually healthier, and should thus be seen more often. Dehydrating for a day is fine. 36 hours is a bit extreme.

@Louis Kirkwood I'm fine with a sequel or prequel if it at least has decent damn singing.

Louis Kirkwood the thing is, recording it live does not have am single advantage. I get that the idea of a musical is to be seen live, but this is not the stage adaption. As someone who is quite familiar with the theater world: Things that work on stage usually don’t work out in film, and singing live is just one of those things. If you’re approaching a movie adaption the same way you’d approach a stage adaption you will fail. It’s a shitty experience for the actors, bc singing 10-12 h a day can damage your vocal chords immensely, wich is something that was described in this video over and over again. The actors can’t show their full potential, bc they have to hold back so they can do the next 20 takes just as well (wich just doesn’t work). Also just bc another director/producer would do it just as badly as what was done here, doesn’t make it any better. Overall this is just overcomplicating things with out having any positiv effects on the movie, the crew or the cast

@Louis Kirkwood It isn't just that the actors had discomfort (which is bad) but that it didn't produce a better product but actually dragged it down. In theatre they make concessions to the performance for the sake of music by getting them to just stand in front of a microphone so it sounds better. In the film they made the opposite concession, making the music worse to get a movie performance with full crying and facial expressions and so on. The thing is if they had studio recording they could have had both. That's what is disappointing for me, that when the goal was "a transcendence to the traditional forms" it instead felt like it was bogged down and stuck in the mud somewhere in between those forms.

@Louis Kirkwood lol no, it genuinely sucked.

+Rebecca W. If the "fake crying is too obvious" thing were true, why does Samantha Barks prove that false?

I don't even like The Greatest Showman for a bunch of reasons. However, I will wholeheartedly agree.

He totally redeemed himself in Greatest Showman. (Mostly "From Now On") I mean, autotune and such but my friend saw The Man, The Show live and she said he was great. So he was obviously just not meant for Les Mis.

He was meant to be 'rawer', grittier here than in The Greatest Showman and this music was recorded directly as performed which I don't think The Greatest Showman was so you can't really compare the two.

@@northernlights9814 but as Sidways pionts out in the video (35:55 is when the part starts), all of the actors were able to do better performances hydrated. Jackman did a better performance outside in the cold rather than what got put in the film.

@@fairyflight8436 I saw that in the video, but I always presume the end product is the choice of the Director of the movie, be it 'artistic' choice or his preferred 'take'. This Director had so much experience from making movies and tv-series that he would not overlook a better 'take'. He made his choice, his preferrance, and we can like it or not.

Boe is such an incredible performer... His version of Bring Him Home shatters my heart every time I hear it, it's so beautiful

that remind me of Jeremy Jordan auditioning for the same role as Zac Efron in the Greatest Showman and singing through the entire musical score for him to then be told no.

Good for him, he avoided this monstrosity

Yeah, but given what we learned in this video, he dodged an unhealthy performance

​@@laurahenderson4528 Jeremy did the whole demo recording! And then Hugh lost his voice when they were going to put it on in New York for producers, and they asked Jeremy to go and sing off stage while Hugh lip-synced. And they STILL didn't cast him!!!

What does that even mean?

@@infinitusfinitus It means that they're good enough to pull off cry-singing, even though by crying they're risking a dozen moments of screwing over their own entire performance. It's like being able to race a VWBeetle. Yeah it takes a bunch of skill, props for doing it twice, but please don't make it your primary mode of performance

@@QuikVidGuy - nah I think Sideways' comment is in reference to the not-so-subtle but friendly competitiveness between those who play instruments and those who sing. The orchestra conductor would always joke with us when we, the chorus, would join the orchestra for rehearsal and he'd say "Musicians!" but only in reference to the orchestra and he'd call the rest of us "singers" implying that singers were not actual musicians. It's a joke that continues with every generation.

Are we gonna ignore "and he's all like 'no, all lives matter! Nya!'"

as a vocalist, i agree. we suck.

What drives me insane is that people have literally said that to me; that stage performances are not as “real” because it sounds too good. I hate hearing it so much and so many of my friends have said it to me.

It's such a weird take, because by the nature of a musical, if you're sacrificing the music for the acting, then that's not a good performance, it's an inherently bad one? That IS the performance. Why did they even want to make a musical? They could have just adapted the book with their all star cast, and nothing would have to suffer? I get that they made Cats afterwards ppbecause this film did well, but as a first step, why make a musical if you're not comfortable with how the singing somehow 'compromises the acting performance'?

@@lokiawriter8077 omg that's the *worst* wth?? Of Course stage performers endeavour to sound as perfect as possible - that's what makes them *professionals* that are performing their *job*?? I think the fact that so many people consider 'singing as a hobby' and 'singing as a profession' as pretty much the same really makes this sort of attitude worse and worse. Especially with the amount of TV singing competitions they really don't understand that musical/opera work from a very different technical standpoint (flashback to every time I told people I'm doing professional singing lessons and getting a shrug, but then receiving an 'ohh so impressive' for me also doing Cello - despite my cello skills being like... actual literal miles worse than my singing)..

@@richardbourton4523 I assume it's because nobody really knows the book, so the "money" was considered to be in the musical, but yeah they probably could have come out with a better product considering

People worked hard to hone their craft for years upon years only for some two-bit hack say a performance shouldn't be perfect. Wtf?

Also, how is being super buff sick?

@@Ociloc exactly! I wouldn't think he's sick if I saw him, however, I would be concerned he's not eating/drinking enough. To make actors have that extreme muscle definition, it's not just Hugh depriving himself of water. Most male actors do that for movies to look leaner and it's SO BAD. Being buff doesn't mean you have to have 0% body fat. That's majorly unhealthy. An example of someone being absolutely ripped but also having a healthy amount of body fat would be Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson, although he is an extreme example because he's so tall. But yeah. The guys in the movies look as shredded as they do because they're starving and dehydrating themselves and it's SO NOT GOOD. It's unrealistic body standards for dudes and is causing people to hurt themselves.

Music nerd rages for 38 minutes and 36 seconds because actors get paid millions to do their jobs

@@sarahturner4148 like you know how you can tell it's not healthy? They never maintain that physique. As soon as the shoot is over it's back to hotdogs and dad bod city baby.

@@sarahturner4148 I mean, if they wanted to make Hugh look realistic as a convict of 20 years- malnourished all the time, then... They did a good job. The main problem here is that they put the acting performance before singing and it really shows

I think it’s down to balance. The film could have been realistic without completely sacrificing music too, if only they just prerecorded the songs with, y’know, actors who could sing. This film is an excellent example of realism done wrong. Realism done so badly it interferes with the story and the music.

It's not realistic for a slave during this era to be able to sing like a musical theatre performer. It's also not realistic for him and the entirety of everyone around him to also know the words to all these songs. It's ALSO not realistic for them to be on camera, cameras didn't exist back then. So yeah maybe realism shouldn't be how we judge quality

right but they obviously wanted it to be more realistic than the average musical. you can’t just complain every time people try different things

@@imsadlol4528 but trying to be "realistic" here made the musical significantly worse. There's a difference between trying new things out and just... making bad choices

Yeah, if they really don't give a shit about the music, then DON'T include it at all. Would Les Mis work as a normal, singingless movie? Who knows, but it would've been better than this.

That performance was the first time I ever cried during a movie (and the whole movie theater was crying with me). I will remember it forever and yes I *loved* her performance best. You're not alone, plenty of people do :) Now, I haven't seen this movie since it ...er...came out in 2012. Take with a grain of salt. But I remember not enjoying the rest of the movie as much and it took me a while to figure out why. I think it's because it was...too much? Too much gritty breathy sobbing back to back half-singing-half-talking with like, every single character? Personally, I don't think "acting over music" is always a bad thing but it also robs us of hearing how the actors actually CAN sing. Like, I remember wanting to see/hear at least *some* of that in the movie and being disappointed. Looking back it was ALL "acting over music". Course, given the insane conditions and circumstances of the film, I doubt it could have been anything else.

It may not have served the music, but yes, it was an incredible performance. It's challenging for me to think of many/any performances that come close to what she did there.

I agree with you. What I think is a really big limitation of musicals is that sadness and dying and death has to be pretty. Like even in the examples shown here yes the music in the stage version sounds prettier but I think it loses the emotion and ugliness of pain

yeah, i enjoyed it to and i think in that scenario it worked to put the acting before the vocal performance. a movie is a different medium than a stage production, and i think it would be harder to sell the scene if anne hathaway did prioritize signing it “pretty” rather than committing to the reality and context of the song. on a stage, that sense of reality is somewhat suspended, and i feel like that kind of emotional acting performance would seem too… grounded i guess? it wouldn’t serve the production in the same way a stellar (and still emotional in its own right) vocal performance would, and i think a stellar vocal performance at the expense of the powerful acting performance wouldn’t have necessarily served the film. of course, we’re talking about an incredibly raw scene, and i definitely don’t think EVERY performance should prioritize acting over vocals simply because it’s a film and not a stage production - i can understand how that approach applied throughout the entirety of the musical is going to hurt the adaptation rather than help it. the film was kind of my first exposure to the musical - maybe the fact that i had sung on my own in choir helped, but i had no trouble hearing that what fantine was singing in her dying moments returned at other points in the musical, and in seeing the clips he provided side-by-side, i do again think that the broken singing of a dying woman worked to sell the reality and emotion of the scene for film rather than the pretty vocal performance of stage. maybe there could have been a “better” balance of singing the melody versus selling the emotion and whole on-her-deathbed thing, but regardless i was able to hear the music enough to pick up on it. but again, i totally understand the other criticisms presented of adapting this musical to film, i just agree that i can give that particular decision a pass in those specific scenes. i don’t need it to be a vocal performance that i would listen to on spotify, as long as i can pick up on the music enough to recognize it later and i’m connecting with the weight of the character’s emotions being delivered in a particularly intense moment. if i were a bigger musical theater fan, i would probably have a different opinion, and if i were seeing that kind of performance on a stage versus in a film then i would also probably be of the opinion that it doesn’t work.

@@ErikaCartet couldn’t have said it any better, like I had said in a previous comment I feel it’s unfair to compare the musical and the film seeing as they are 2 different forms of art and media. And yeah I agree at some spots the singing should’ve been more of the focus but all in all I saw it as a really good performance and it got me into musicals back in high school and I’ve never watched a better performance than Anne Hathaways, even in cinema it’s one of the hardest hitting scenes and it’s because she’s just absolutely broken but is singing such a beautiful and powerful song

a fellow edgeworth profile pic spotted in the wild, hello :D

marius... isn't even a tenor. he's a high baritone (i think his range is like... a2 to g or a4 which is entirely doable for a sufficiently high baritone - i'm a baritone and that's doable for me), but he's definitely a baritone. if eddie IS a baritone then he's definitely one who's scared of high notes but you see that A Lot with not hugely trained baritones.

Michael Ball is one of the most beloved Mariuses and he is a high baritone

Thank you! I was going to comment it, but you beat me to it.

yes truth. Its the same as Russel Crowe. Javert is a bass to seem menacing. Look at phillip quast performance. Those low notes cant be hit by a tired Crowe

@@sungod1384 yeah, crowe certainly kind of gets the low f in the confrontation but not with any sense of like. confidence or gravity. i get that javert isn't usually cast on the strength of his low range but at least make sure he CAN do it

Yeah, actors shouldn't have to sacrifice their health for a performance. If anything they should make sure to be well rested, fed and hydtrated so that they can do their job to the best of their ability.

Anne is a good actress though, and not usually a method gal.

@@henrikibsen6258 She is, but losing a lot of weight in a short amount of time is just incredibly dangerous. It's affects not only your physical health but also your mental health. This upsets me personally because I had an ED in the past and I know what it's like to be severely underweight. I can't condone anyone putting themselves in that kind of state on purpose, no matter how professional they are.

It’s what she deserves.

elrapido5150 YES!

She was terrific

OMG SAME

@@lucydiamond1595 lmaoo SAME HERE

same here! they were both amazing

Hi "why the hell was a musical directed by someone who knows nothing about music" gang.

@@erika6473 hello fellow member

Lezz Mizurabulls

i assumed he was being funny. now i’m not so sure. hardly a great way to yknow. launch an authoritative statement. jesus h

I think he was joking.

Boo hoo

To be fair even when English speaking people try saying it correctly it inevitably comes out with some accent

YES

Cats 2: This Time, We Left The Buttholes In

Cats 2 does exist! I hope they ain't making it a movie though

Hal, it’s about cats

Do I hear “Starlight Express” off in the distance?! 🤣🤣🤣🤣