If you're thinking about doing this, read this first. I have an ultra SFF PC that can only fit a short, single-slot low-profile GPU. I initially installed an RX 6400, but I decided to try the A310 and A380 GPUs for their extra display port (I’m running an i5-12400F, which has no iGPU) and AV1 capabilities. I performed the cooler swap without issues. However, the A310 cooler fan is extremely loud. You'll need to create custom fan presets for each game, balancing between preventing overheating and avoiding deafening noise. My RX 6400 performs marginally better and is silent, so I ended up returning both the A310 and A380. If you don't mind tinkering with fan curves for every game, this could be a viable option. However, be aware of how loud it is-ETA uses a noise gate in their video to reduce the sound, but you can still hear it if you listen carefully. It's very loud. The best use case for these cards might be in an SFF server that you can place in the basement or attic.
Thank you. I will be using it in an sff server in a network closet. Can I ask, did you have to clean and repaste for the cooler swap, and what VRM heatsink did you use?
@@IamLegendAnon google's filter is very angry, so ill just say its on page 3 of 'all products' on yeston's website, and its definitely single slot. its bright pink with a plain looking heatsink. i literally cannot link you the page.
Perfect for a SFF Proxmox gaming server. I'm in the process of putting an Arc A380 and an RTX 3050 in a SFF case to support two Windows gaming VMs. I have another A380 on order as well.
All they need to do is like what this guy did. Stop the production of the fat heatsink and produce more like whats on the a310 card to put it in the A380.
@@Vhalikuporamee447 I have had problems passing through GPUs but great success with an ASRock B550M fitted with low profile RTX 3050 and A380 cards feeding Windows 10 VMs. I suggest you keep slugging away at this because it's possible and was not difficulty.
I have to admit, the sparkle card designs are very good looking. Sparkle should get into making motherboards with the same aesthetic. Because yes please lmao.
Sparkle is FSP. They are primarily a power supply company, making power supplies for over 30 years. I don't think they've ever made any motherboards, but I bet they would probably do a really good job at them.
Anyone that is testing Helldivers should NOT do solos on Trivial Difficulty. This game gets hammered by the CPU as you play with others and higher difficulties. You should at the very least test it on HARD and in a squad. The more enemies and effects go on with higher difficulties. Someone that makes this build to play Helldivers 2 will be caught off guard to why they are getting much lower performance when they use your video as a reference.
yes but that is also a laptop cpu which is nowhere near a 7800x3d or a 14900k. I have a 5900X and when playing on level 4 difficulty or lower I can easily get 70-90 fps. But on level 5 or higher the frame rate tanks to mid 40s when crap hits the fan. Hopefully the devs can work on this more, but the game can get very cpu limited. Even with a 7800x3d.@@no-barknoonan1335
I wonder if Sparkle would consider making such a version of the A380 from the factory. Doesn't look too complicated to realise in the manufacturing process.
I would like to see how the A380 performs in an emulation build. Especially considering Intel arc doesn't have native support or great performance for anything older than DirectX 12. Could the RX 6400 be better in that case?
I can only say my RX6400 has no drawbacks to emulation, targeting reasonable graphics, and some old stuff at 4K. CPU is the biggest limit but not too severe on an i5-8500. Will grab an i5-11500 or something with avx512 one day.
I've got one under Proxmox. It's the same as native. It's vital that Resizable BAR is switched on in the bios for this card. It's more like double performance with it on. I intend to run two of them for two gamers in one PC build in a SFF case. I reckon I will succeed.
I run an A770 and most of the older console emulators are perfectly fine, but things like Switch emulation or 3DS are completely off the table. The dev time has not been put into intel GPUs at all on their end.
I still have reservations about the thermal cooling on those cards, as they're designed to dump all their heat inside the case instead of exhausting it through the bracket like larger cards do.
With Intel releasing drivers allowing you to carve up their GPUs as vGPUs on virtualization, this is a practical no-brainer for homelabs. The MS01 was already an absolute beast, now you can carve up a GPU for things like Plex...
Definitely sell your 1660 super to recoup some of the cost. The A380 is superior. But it does have the achiles heal of not really working on Desktops that lack resizable bar. Which is why 1660's are still commanding a decent price on E Bay. Since an standard budget build strategy is it buy an 50 dollar used Dell business desktop, use an 20 dollar adapter so you can used an normal PSU with the mortherboard, pair it with a 60 dollar 500 watt power supply, and then buy an 1660 super for 120 dollars used. Giving you an pretty usable little gaming beast for only 250 dollars. So you fill definitely find a buyer for your old GPU. You can sell it for at least 120 dollars. Which is like 90 to 95% of what an A380 will cost.
@@CharlieConcepts-pw9ur You make an excellent point that the A380 is superior to the 1660 for the same money. However you're also right that it needs resizable BAR. I reckon without it then it's only 50% performance so in an old Dell desktop you may as well keep the 1660.
You should do a video like "Graphics Settings for Dummies" as I don't think any one else has as much experience with these small builds like you do. Most reviewers get the latest mega parts and show how awesome it is, but there really isn't much for the minimalist's like us.
This is pretty awesome. Those GPU temps are really good, the question is at what noise level? I'd really like to give this a try in an Optiplex 7090 micro I just got... if I can get Re-bar enabled.
@@zgillet Yes, I do... the tiny 1.16L systems. The 80 series and 90 series had an option to have a PCIe Gen3x8 slot on the motherboard rather than having a SATA port. It wasn't a very popular option, and you won't find a lot of the them for sale. Typically they would come installed with an RX 640 or a Quadro P620. The next generation eliminated the option... which is unfortunate, because I think it's pretty cool. Though I'm thinking it might only be able to support A310, rather than a A380.
Ah the 'ol cooler swap. It's always fun to check the cooling contacts and bolt points. I have done this with LP gtx cards, quadros, and I have seen people swap enterprise passive heatsinks out for consumer dual fan units. If it works, it works.
You need to put the VRM heatsink onto the mosfet not the chokes which don't need cooling. You're making the mosfets hotter by blocking airflow to it now.
Ah just noticed this. Looks like if he had a thinner heatsink just to target the mosfets that might be a better idea. Wonder how much effort it would be to just mill a piece of aluminium out to fit.
RIGHT! I was looking for others that pointed this out. I'm a subscriber, btw. I really enjoy your GPU tier list. I'm hoping you'll make one for the 7900 GRE. I want to know which model has the best GDDR6 (Samsung, SK Hynix, Micron) for overclocking.
I've once modified a GTX 1050Ti (ITX size, dual slot) with an ultra low profile CPU cooler (so it came down to a little less than 1 slot) to squeeze it inside of an ATX PSU case build. Worked just as well as the stock cooler, but that's not for the faint of heart, since you need to manage die pressure yourself and you have to drill and tap your own screw holes into the cooler. I imagine something similar could be done for this GPU. Would allow for some really small form facto builds.
Best way to test Fortnite is just to go play a match of Battle Royale, which is what most people play it for. That'll save a replay (Career -> Replays) that you can use for consistent testing.
*ThinkCentre models m720q, m920q, m90q, p320, p330 & I believe also the m920x "tiny" models each all have an actual PCIe Express Slot* (I believe x8). & there's x16 to x8 adapters/ connector cards (90° angle) made for this mod to add a single slot discrete GPU into the original housing. Some people have done it and drilled or cut holes in the top over the CPU & GPU fans for better airflow. Some have even 3D printed a new top cover/ lid for this upgrade. It'd be nice if you could do a video on it showing newer games running on it. I've seen a couple people do it with A2000 single slot mods. & it'd also be cool to see someone do it with a RX 6400 using Chimera OS. Which that I haven't seen yet (you'd be the 1st). Also it seems everyone that's done the GPU upgrade on a 1L mini/ tiny are using the i5 8500t variants of those ThinkCentre models mentioned above. Those could be a budget build version of something like this setup here. But for a fraction of the price.
Where did the excess heat of this card (with the A310 Cooler) go? Or is it just circulating inside the case? Wouldn't it be better to perforate the slot bracket to push the heated air directly out of the case, like with most blower style graphic cards?
Emulation showdown between this and an Rx6400 please. That doesnt require a cooler hack so the performance difference in those two would be appreciated.
Built a PC for my Niece loaded it with a 6GB ARC380, ($75.00) I have the ARC580 ($89.00) to put into my desktop, and Built a system with an ARC 750 OC 3 fan ($189.00) all from MicroCenter, so three so far. Replacing my RX 6600 in my desktop it goes from 0 fan to 2000 at 50 degrees no matter what I do. THE 580 has about the same performance. Just put the AMD RX7600XT 16GB in my gaming rig and RT works well enough. I also do use Linux so NV does not play well. Add them all price and that is 5 GPU's for under 1 NVidia would have cost me.
If you really have the money it’s the rtx 4000 sff ada with the cooler mod from n3rdhardware. To be fair, resale value in a few years will likely still be at least $1000+.
I love these small builds but still waiting for the BD790i build with the LP4060. You used a full size GPU with it but used the LP4060 with the BD770i and the AR900i. I really wanted to see the comparison between the BD790i and the AR900i.
*@ETAPRIME* hey there Prime. I've looked but couldn't find any videos with you modifying any of the older "mini"/ "tiny" office PC's. I've seen you make low end budget builds using these older SFF Office PC's. But I was wondering if you've done so with some of the "mini"/ "tiny" 1L Office PC's as well ? The tiny Lenovo ThinkCentre models m720q, m920q, m90q, p320, p330 & I believe also the m920x each all have an actual PCIe Express Slot (I believe x8). & there's x16 to x8 adapters/ connector cards (90° angle) made for this mod to add a single slot discrete GPU into the original housing. Some people have done it and drilled or cut holes in the top over the CPU & GPU fans for better airflow. Some have even 3D printed a new top cover/ lid for this upgrade. It'd be nice if you could do a video on it showing newer games running on it. I've seen a couple people do it with A2000 single slot mods. & it'd also be cool to see someone do it with a RX 6400 using Chimera OS. Which that I haven't seen yet (you'd be the 1st). This GPU in your video here (A380) or even the A310 would also probably be nice to see in one od those older 1L tiny ThinkCentre PC's. They are about the same size as the MS-01 but for wayyy cheaper. Helping aid in building something similar for a low budget build for a fraction of the price. Also it seems everyone that's done the GPU upgrade on a 1L mini/ tiny are using the i5 8500t variants of those ThinkCentre models mentioned above.
Could you show these units and how well they handle older generation games. Like Shadow of the Colossus pushed up to 5x or something. That would show what the system is capable of.
@@jonathanbutler6635 No problem. I did that test just days ago with the latest drivers (3/20/24) for both cards. I ended up giving the 6400 to a friend.
They don't need to make a copper one, there is plenty of space inside the ms01 to make a 20% larger than stock A310. What other mini-pc brands have a ms-01 comparable product?
I bought an Asrock A380LP for my HTPC. It's OK, but its bios is locked so that it can only draw 45 watts maximum. I've tried several methods of raising the limit in order to get more grunt out of it, but to no avail. I am told that the Sparkle unit can be bumped up to 60 watts or so. BTW, when you run an ARC GPU with a 12th, 13th, or 14th gen Intel CPU with an iGPU, you get much better performance due to Intel's Deep Link technology.
After watching this video I immediately purchased the Sparkle SFF card and despite an affordable price it was just too damn noisy! And I thought the PS4 was cringe with their "Jet plane" effects.
I would love to see a comparison between this card and the Dell single slot LP rx 6500. I just got one and it was kinda hard to figure out what to buy because there was no reviews. I think it could beat the performance when using pcie 4.0 like in that PC, but not 3.0 Other single slot low profile cards I would love to see compared are the t1000, GTX 1650 gddr6, and rx 6400
Would we be able to fit a 2-slot LP card into the MS-01 if we chose not to close the top, or is there something else physically stopping us from doing so? Thinking about the LP 4060 from Gigabyte, although might need to change/cut the mounting bracket there (and lose a DP port).
Well sorry tomstate the obvious, but one of the reasond windows 10 keys migh be very cheap now is that windows 10 support ends in uctober this year, if their sponsorship deal is still ongoing you might want to re record the insert to focus on windows 11 instead. Otherwise nice video
ETA, it's been a year I watched your last video but it feels to be back. Also I had a question, since Intel improved the card so much through updates, is it good enough for buying for my own PC build in your opinion?
The Arc A380 slightly outperforms my old GTX 980, so it's not a complete turd LOL. I have one for transcoding in my Plex server and it does a great job.
Your video is tilting in favor of getting an A380 as my intial foray into exploring the benefits of ReBar. Thx! So for using the A380 Predator Bifrost app, are there any specific configurations/tweaks that are needed for the Acer software to detect the Sparkle card? I have downloaded the three available versions of Bifrost in preparation. And would it be running Bifrost by itself only WITHOUT the Intel Control running concurrently, yes?
Remember how there was this software or a mod to some software that let people use AMD and Nvidia for DLSS & FSR... Wonder how hard it would be to make that same software run intel graphics too. Then you could run DLSS-FSR-XESS or whatever Intel called theirs- all in tandem!
Hey @ETA PRIME how about a face off with all available options on the market in 75 Watt GPU cards for upgrading an OEM PC that doesn't offer PCIE power cable?! I am thinking about the new ARC 380 (without external power), RTX 3060 6GB, good old GTX 1650, maybe even GTX 1050 Ti for comparison and if available an RTX A2000 6 or 12GB card which should be that RTX 3050 6 GB.
what would be really dope is if someone took a 4090 gpu die, and stuck it on a single slot pcb like this and power limit it to 60 watts. i wonder how fast it would be. hmm this gives me a idea ima power limit my 4080 down to 60 watts and see how it runs.
I did some testing and the results were quite interesting, in cyberpunk 60fps locked 1080p ultra settings no dlss it would need 90 watts to maintain 60fps. With dlss on it would do 60-70 watts at 60 fps. You cant simply lock a 40 series at a certain watts, in msi afterburner have to fps limit it instead, even at 46% power limit it would still hit 150 watts. With a custom bios it could be power limited down to 60 watts. but still even at 60 or 100 watts, would be a bad ass mini gaming pc. And with a low watt draw it would be cool and not get burnt up. So a small single slot 4080 can be done, and would shit all over all the other low end single slot cards easily.
@@turboimport95 I love the idea, I set my 4070 to ref boost clock, and power limited as far as afterburner would let me, undervolted to .900 and it doesn't draw over 125 watts, and I lost 10, maybe 15fps on the high side. If you could get one of the custom circuit board makers to make a itx or low pro board that would work with something like the 4070 ti super, which is basically a 4080 lite, and running it so low, it wouldn't need much cooling, paired with a 7800x3d, which if you haven't seen, uses very little power with lower end gpus because its so efficient, probably have an amazing 200-300 total system gaming pc.
@@KesterKurtal i got a 7800x3d and its fast for gaming. how did you under volt? i cant change the voltage in msi afterburner., it only says 0% and can only go up. only the power limit can down to 46% even then it pulls 150 watts.
@@turboimport95 PCWorld How To Undervolt Your GPU (And Why You Should) . Use that search string, can't use links on most youtube videos because of bots. It's a good guide for it, and from my experience with Nvidia cards, they pretty much have a set low point they will go to.
Is there a link to the heatsink you used? How was the performance vs. the standard a380 without any overclocking or overvolting (I’m prioritizing stability)?
😮😮😮- Can you try this on either an Optiplex i7 2600/3xxxx/4xxxx? I have an old GTX 1050 ti in mine, and is a little long in the tooth. I really do not want to get rid of this PC.
I was thinking of using one of these in a media center PC but can't find out if it can do 3840x2160 at 120hz since that's what my TV is. Some sources say it has HDMI 2.0 and some say it's HDMI 2.1. Do you know which one it is? Have you tested it on a 4k @ 120 monitor? I really don't want to buy one if it can't do 4k @ 120.
I love ETA Prime for all of the low profile card reviews, but I would love if he also did a quick benchmark with a non-gigachad CPU. I understand the no bottleneck argument, but if I am going to lose 5% or 30% based on my CPU I would like to see that
How did you get the single slot card? Im building a home media server and this card being able to trranscode av1 would be nice to have in a single slot and lp
Yeah, I like to see how the Low-Profile GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3050 OC Low Profile 6G Graphics Card and the GIGABYTE Radeon RX 6400 4GB GDDR6 PCI Express 4.0 Low Profile Video Card GV-R64D6-4GL works in the Minisforum MS-01
