@@humanbass I mean a perfect replica, scaled down like the GOAT but looking and functioning identically to an original M16 otherwise. I was thinking of the M16A1 or A2 since having a carry handle and FSB avoids the dilemma of either having a pic rail that's out of proportion with the rest of the gun (like the GOAT) or a "pic rail" that won't actually accept anything since it's too small. The 5.7's case width is approximately 83% of the 5.56's (.313 and .378 respectively) so starting with the M16's 20 inch barrel and scaling it down to 83% brings it to ~16.5 inches, making it non-NFA. A 12" M4 or 8.5" Mk18 Mod 0 would also be really neat
Diamondback makes a gas operated 5.7 PDW, so there is no reason it couldn't be made into an M16. The lever delay system in most of the handguns is really more of a locked breach than a blowback, so that could probably be used to make a sweet M16 looking platform.
It would have to be a drum since 22lr curves so damn much. The full size 22lr rifles all only go up to like 18 or 25 rounds other wise it gets way too long.
@airic88 In NY state, not only must your semi auto be a state compliant abomination, but you need a pistol permit to buy them. Bolt actions, lever actions, pump actions, and semi auto shotguns specifically don't require a pistol permit though. I know how utterly horrible it sounds and it is.
Cool concept, but at that price point, it should come in a takedown variant or 10 round mag standard. For that reason, a conversion kit at $250 is much more cost effective option for those of us who already own AR'S.
Never had an issue with mine in the past. The only issues were with unburnt powder clogging the gas tube but a properly set up AR is a breeze to clean.
@joeymurphy5617 as long as you use high velocity ammo and keep it oiled and clean it every few hundred rounds it's fine, there are companies that make aftermarket upgrades for it, like an aluminum carrier so it can run subsonic and low velocity rounds, also it doesn't like some drop in triggers with light trigger pulls but functions fine with most standard fcgs or increased power hammer springs
@@joeymurphy5617I had issues with mine. Realized gassing was an issue and the ammo wasn’t high velocity. Put the kit in an AR with a carbine length gas tube and used high velocity ammo. Fixed the problem without issue
Kelly tec cp33 mags are 33 round mags from factory in 22lr. As long as the operator doesn't make a mistake it is easy to load and functions reliably. It's doesn't matter if you think the 22lr doesn't deserve more than 5 rounds, doesn't mean everyone else doesn't want it. People like shooting a lot of 22lr and mag dumping, therefore you and your little group are the outliers. Have a great day!
Lol they should have paid Kel Tec a license to use their patented rimfire doublestack mag designs. And by 'pay' I mean offer to pick up the cocaine tab at the office for a while. 😂
Giving a literal child anything more dangerous than a mid-power pellet gun is wildly irresponsible with so many other options available. It's not that you can't get away with it under tight supervision, but a child under 7yo is fundamentally mentally under-equipped to work with mortal machinary. If they're not allowed to get their knife badges, they can't handle a proper firearm. 3-5yo: Nerf gun (basic manipulation and aiming) 5-9yo: pellet gun (safety and functional fundamentals with some leeway for accidents) 9-11yo: single shot/bolt action .22lr or semi pellet (scaled down training and safety fundamentals reinforcement) 12-15: semi .22lr and highly dependent on the teenager: bolt action full chambered rifle (advanced training and limited full usage under supervision) 16-18: Entirely individual dependent There is no shame or threat in using training tools for training. It doesn't impede anyones rights to have literal children use properly scaled stand-ins.
Looks like it doesn't even use a buffer spring which means they should have made this into a ar18 derivative rifle... to put on a folding arm brace and pistol barrel
Also, I’ve been teaching my kids (7, 6, 4) to shoot, and I’m using a 50 year old Remington 511 which has a long length of pull, so they can’t get a good hold a cheek weld. I’m going to get a cricket or hennry mini, but I like this option too, to give them an idea of AR controls.
A used 10/22, and a stock. You have 10, 15, 20, 25, round Ruger mags. They're great. Others make mags. They are definitely, and I cannot stress this enough, they suck more than dudes for Harris.
Wouldn't surprise me. During our quals in boot camp we shot M-16 with the .22LR conversion. I was like WTF, I grew up with 30-06 and other high powered hunting rifles, so it felt like I was shooting a bb gun. 🤣
If I needed a tiny gun to teach tiny humans to shoot I'd probably just use a Ruger Charger pistol with a brace. At least then you have something that will grow with the shooter from tiny person to adult.
They really need to up their mag capacity game. Especially with as popular as Steel Challenge is now-a-days. This seems like it would be a great budget option for a small kid to get into SC, but a 5 round mag aint gonna cut it.
Goat 15 - 454.95. H&K MP5, 16-inch barrel, in FDE, chambered in .22LR - 425.00, AND WAY SEXIER! With that said, your videos are always well made, and I look forward to all of them Tim. How about doing an updated video on Thermal Vision, and Night Vision. Some new things out there are getting with-in a price range one might be able to afford if you also would spend 4k on a rifle or buy Vortex Optics! Thanks Tim!
I can't get the image of a top-tier operator carrying the goat 15, and every time he shoots it, a dog toy squeak noise happens, and the target explodes.
Very cool. Something I've always wondered is why do gun manufacturers seem to love flathead screws (in the past especially). Such an easy call to cut down on scratches from slipping screwdrivers.
It needs to come with a faux suppressor the slips over the barrel and threads on the far end of the can.. I have one of those on a 12in VZ 58 and it looks awesome.. it makes the barrel no longer so it makes it look more proportional..
This reminds me of the Daisy .22 I had as a kid. Super short, light cartridge, single shot. Mine was a single-shot boltgun, but this would be great for beginning shooters.
You kinda lost me at proprietary but the real killer is the silly 3 mile long barrel for a frame like that. I'd really like to hear some day "Patented but freely licensed for use and improvement by any American manufacturer, so long as they share their modifications with other American manufacturers as defined by greater than 70% ownership or stake in the enterprise is held by American citizens and more than 80% of parts and raw materials are of American origin."
Love my 10-22 bull pup. Had fun with it when I was on leave July 2023. Price a little steep for what you get but considering the BS that a company has to go through to get paperwork done and then to certify and receive the blessing of the ATF that it cannot be easily converted to full auto, OK.
Definitely need this for my daughter to teach her the controls of a AR, so once she is old enough to use her standard size AR she will be proficient, and comfortable with this style rifle. 🤙🐸
Modern gun school is pretty good.after watching your channel. I went to the VA and at first I was denied here in riverside County CA. Then I was approved. Thanks for the info.
Yeah the barrel looks awful with that handguard length. It needs to be a folding brace and pistol barrel so they can give it a acr chassis or something like that.
@jason200912 I mean, it isn't the handguard length that kills it. It's the barrel length in proportion to the receiver. The receivers are 4/5 scale. Which means that the barrel is exactly as proportionally long as a 20" barrel would be on a full scale rifle. Therefore I think instead of a braced short barrel, it would work better as a 4/5 scale m16a1 replica. Fixed a1 length stock, carry handle upper, clamshell handguard with the fixed sight block, and a three prong flash hider. At that point the lack of forward assist would actually be clone correct. And I am positive everyone would want one. Retro rifles are way cooler than high speed tacticool stuff as far as range toys go. And who wouldn't want their kid to have a 22lr a1 clone to learn how to shoot with?
**Smith & Wesson probably discarded that idea a long time ago as being stupid. **But if it turns out that there's a real market for it they'll make a copy of it like they do everything else.
@@jamesshotwell810 I was not talking their full size version I was talking of them making a Lilliputian model. **Nearly everybody makes a 22 LR trainer model, or a way to convert your standard AR into a 22 LR.
i remember many years back on a gun building site i was on there was a guy doing a scaled down ar to shoot 17 hmr. i dont recall how it turned out or if i saw it finished.
If it had 30rd mags I'd be all over this for youth training on the ar platform, cause let's be honest when my kiddos are using it, it'll be a fun range toy. Hell I'd settle if it accepted 10/22 mags
My hang up was when I talked with the guy at shot show about it he had no intention of even doing a 10 rd mag let alone a 30 rd mag. It is a cool rifle but needs to fill the American needs and that is a standard 25 or 30 rd magazinne.
So if you use a recoil spring, and have the bolt hit a buffer, which sends a weight into the buttstock, countering the recoil by slowing the inertia of it... You could set the bolt to only go back into battery when the buffer returns to battery.... and that would be an optional rate of fire limiter
Honestly, I would like to see them pin and weld a flash hider to make it 16" OAL. It would be more dimensionally correct that way and be a little less front heavy for kids. Really neat gun though!
I'll never own a 22lr AR again other than a Tippmann Arms, it's a shame that a company not typically a gun manufacturer makes a 22lr AR better than companies that specializes in making guns.
Any 22lr that cycles semiauto is a good start. I would like to see more of it resemble an actual ar15, but that would likely increase the cost beyond what the market would be willing to pay. It’s on my Xmas list. But I’ve probably been a little naughty, so it probably won’t be underneath the tree. I did get a new Red Rider bb-gun last year 😜
I bought my older Grandson an AR lower for his 16th Bday. We then put a Franklin Armory dedicated .22 lr upper on it. For his 17th Bday we built a mid tier 5.56 upper. My other grandson I went the route of buying the lower, building a 5.56 mm upper and using a CMMG .22 conversion kit for it. The accuracy of both is reasonable with a slight nod to the dedicated franklin Armory upper. reliability? Both required a 250-300 round break in but are now running good with High Velocity ammo....stay away from the bulk stuff no matter what the manufacturers say. Price difference? Well by using the CMMG kit we only had to buy one optic...so in the long run they came out within $50 of each other.
It does look like a good trainer for new &/ young shooters to become aquainted with the AR-15 rifle! But for that price, it'll be hard to compete with just buying the Old king, the Ruger 10/22.
No thanks I will stick with the tried & true Ruger 10-22 , whole lot less money with more accessories than you can think of . Plus you can actually build one from the ground up rather than buy one and add on later .
