The Worst Power Creep In Gacha Games 

Okay, I've been convinced. Rappa supremacy 4 lyfe. 😃

Poor Silver Wolf. Her whole identity as a character was powercrept by them adding her most unique ability to the kits of characters that would want her.

I find it nuts HSR is 3 years younger than Genshin yet it's already at 60 characters while Genshin has 89. It's like dude you don't even have enough good 4* options and you damn sure do not have enough universal LC options and the most worrying is they keep trying so much power to LCs and the alternative is nowhere near close for some characters

It's weird to think dps like Acheron, Boothill & Yunli might be seen as "mid" dps a year from now, just like what happened with Jingliu & DHIL. The previous "strongest dps" now being seen as mid

HSR powercreep is inevitable because turn based games don't have a lot of options to make characters play in an interesting way. This is why powercreep in genshin is not that high in comparison I think

I got baited into clicking on the video after seeing Neuvillette in the thumbnail. I’m glad I ended up watching through to the end, though. I don’t play HSR, so I don’t know the full extent of how the meta is shaping, but I remember when DoT and Jingliu were top tier, and now I’ve been seeing nothing but doomposting about them lately. Good summary.

Say anything about Genshin, but compared to hsr the devs have done a pretty decent job at balancing the meta for long ngl ☠️ The fact that Bennett Xiangling Sucrose Fischl are still touched on to this day make up for pretty decent balancing not to mention the 4 star weapons being so good too...

Spending months of resources to grind a DPS to max level traces and relics just for it to get powercept by the next is peak HSR gameplay. Most HSR units can't stay strong enough past their first rerun. For reference, Hu Tao and Dan Heng IL are both 1.3 units. I would be surprised if Dan Heng IL manages to stay afloat over the course version 3 without a massive surge of powercreep, let alone be still on the upper echelon of DPS like Hu Tao 4 years into the game.

I met a lot of genshin players through co-op, and about half of them when I asked them about star rail told me something along the lines of: "I quit because of powercreep", and after firefly released I did the same and the only reason why I'm back is so I can get my Sunday and probably leave again.

The powercreep in hsr is so bad that the tierlists are looking like conveyor belts /j

I agree with this video,as someone who happens to like "outdated" teams like DHIL and DOT i honestly just gave up on clearing endgame,it's impossible without vertical investment for a newer player. So ill hyper-invest into those and hopefully that'll give me half the dps i need to clear

For Genshin , powercreep doesn't really matter as much because how genshin's elemental system works.. Element reactions buffs your damage so much that even with a full 4* Overload team consisting of Sucrose/Chevy , Xiangling , Bennett and Fischl for your first half and have a cheap Hyperbloom team on the second half with DMC , YaoYao , Xingqiu and Kuki , you can still clear the abyss... But for HSR , there is no element reactions that amplify your damage.. you are dependent on the raw stats you have farmed for your characters through relic , eidolons , lightcone investment and the base multipliers the character has.. So if a character that doesn't have a good base multiplier , no matter how much you invest into them , they'll struggle a lot even with broken supports considering there is no element reactions that amplify your damage..Blade is like a perfect example for it.. Blade's base numbers are just no good enough at all.. Unless they release a support for him that just increases his damage like 500x which wont likely happen , he will still struggle in a lot of the endgames.. Plus the character performance really matters how the devs caters the content towards. Jingliu was considered the best dps in the game and one of the major reason for that was because the MoC was filled with ice weakness.. so she had no issues whatsoever clearing out the MoC. An E0S0 Acheron will struggle a decent bit now because the content doesn't favour her.. It favours break characters like Firefly , Rappa and Boothill.. HSR's powercreep is and feels more impactful compared to Genshin's powercreeo solely because the lack of element reactions

THANK YOU for bringing up the whole idea of perceived generosity. That's 100% how these kinds of games work. They aren't going to forego their whole business model, they're going to offset that loss somewhere else out of sight. It's a sleight of hand tactic to get people to lower their guard who think they're savvy towards the business. As a more extreme example to contrast, ever seen those mobile gacha game ads showing "FREE 5*, SSR RANK, SUPER SUPREME GOD SLAYER+++ RANK CHARACTER! 500 FREE PULLS! JOIN NOW!" Yeah so uh how much value does that free character have vs the actual meta characters? Are they Aloy? Will they be power crept in a patch or 2? Are they only good in the early game and disproportionately so? For the pulls, what are the rates for the real meta characters? How many copies are you expected to have to do "good damage"? Do you need to get a shiny version for them to be worth anything? It's always about what they're not showing or telling you. Edit: Forgot to add on that they'll often borrow lingo or units of measurement from other similar games as a point of false comparison as part of the deception. There's big opportunity for that with HSR specifically because it has Genshin that it can be an exact comparison against, and being from the same company it'd be all too easy to overlook the differences in the model in favor of the similarities.

Hsr glazers not gonna admit there’s power creep cuz they spent almost a year talking about how much better hsr was than Genshin and that it was the most perfect game that Hoyoverse released. Any criticism is going against the agenda

Sadly this is the reason why I can’t play HSR because of all the power creep issues

Acheron effectively sealed Star Rail’s fate as a powercreep model of gacha, In 2.0 the meta seemed healthy as sparkle buffed a lot of older DPS such as seele jingyuan and even blade, while taking DHIL to the top, him and DoT were the best bet for clearing a boatload of content in the game, but its genuinely hard to describe how ridiculously overpowered acheron was on her release, there was no comparison to her output. This was only compounded by break units which at the time there were none of, so superbreak being a powercrept *mechanic* meant that consistently units like Boothill and firefly were curbstomping content as they were dps that could comfortably drop their sustains for more output due to the delays from breaking, which will probably become more pronounced once better break support comes along. And now we’re even seeing examples of DIRECT powercreep, such as yunli with clara or Feixiao over Dr Ratio, which doesn’t bode well for the games future meta.

i think another problem that adds to this is the fact that each character is a major time sink. grinding for their talent, level, and lc mats can take an a long time especially when there isnt a sweep function (yet). and i havent even mentioned the stupid rng of the relics. whats worse is that by the time youve finished building em, they're probably already powercreeped by the next big thing. at this point why even invest so much time on building your character when theyre just gonna get powercreeped in a few versions.

Honestly one of the reasons I don’t even bother playing HSR anymore. No point in trying to catch up and build my teams when in three patches they’ll be even more power crept

I can smell the death threats from here

Star Rail power creep is nowhere near the levels of terror that you will experience in Fire Emblem Heroes. That game is pure torture to get into, and worse if you were a day 1 player.

The biggest reason as for why the powercreep feels horrendous is because hypercarry, as the most dominant thing you can be doing, was the worst outcome of the meta in 1.X and I at least believe the devs know this as well. There was so little to do outside main dps support support sustain because sub dps or tank or breaker or literally any other role basically didn’t exist. From there because elements don’t actually matter that much you already had people going well this char does more raw damage than this char in 1.0. There’s no nuance between how half the characters played because they were all running on the same crit hypercarry team. Who were the best? Anyone who worked with Bronya. Jingliu is still extremely reliant on Bronya now and a year ago but because Bronya is being outscaled by limited harmonies and because none of the limited harmonies really buff Jingliu that well. She fell off. Which is true for 90% of the pure Crit dps with no mechanics outside basic and skill. Which is why the devs have been trying to make archetypes for the better part of 2.X. Star rail basically didn’t let you exist without a decent harmony/pure support in your team until Feixiao who can run HMarch and Moze as an actual comp with no harmonies. The dps needed to have functions with the team in order for the most overpowered role in the game to not be required. Acheron still used pure supports like Pela and wolf so I’m not counting her . Honestly the only reason Acheron is even partially falling off is because her pure support line is really ass outside Jiaoqiu. She’s been living off the fact that she’s really good despite them since her release and honestly she’ll probably end up fine if the game ever throws her a bone again. Anyway I sort of want the direction where units can be sub-dps because it was failed before, even if you can argue it powercreeps the base game, because tbh the base game just sucks. My only thing rn is that until they properly establish all the archetypes they want to establish, most characters are waiting for support like these are card game archetypes waiting for legacy support which just feels really weird. So what I want to say in all this is The powercreep is trying to lead to a better game that can properly balance its damage creep through the function of archetypes and while it feels awful for the early half of 1.X units, I can cope and say it will eventually slow down. (Also I hate break in its current state save this archetype from being harmony spam pls)

I’ll protect u from the death threads with complaints You are amazing and your pillows deserve to be cold

My best friend quit star rail shortly after getting Argenti on his first run and she came back recently and it has been a pain trying to catch her account up 😭 ever since 2.0 came out things have been getting more and more inflated and its not very fair to new/returning players.. like why is March 7th the ONLY FOUR STAR PRESVERATION?? 😭 but im pretty sure if they did give us another four star preservation it wouldnt matter because its like theyre allgeric to making fourstars even somewhat comparable with five stars. My biggest compliants is the lack of a good roster for four star sustain units 😭 like looking at genshin they have a plentiful of sustainers you can use if you dont have five stars, and Genshin is braindead easy 💀 meanwhile hsr gives us enemies that can literally one shot everybody but the only good four star sustain is Gallangher

Now I don't feel bad for dropping Hsr. Btw you didn't need to use zzz and genshin in thumbnail (ig its clickbait). But yeah Genshin also has powercreep but its really slow and it all comes down to your preference in playstyle.

That's my main reason why I quit HSR. I deleted my account during first patch of Penachony after i got black swan. I realized that the HP modified of enemy increase if new DPS released. Good thing genshin impact use elemental reaction than DPs number.

As usual when it comes to HSR powercreep, yeah it absolutely exists. But also as usual when people are mildly peeped writing clickbait videos (let's be real this is a clickbait topic) they tend to make unreasonable points that don't really hold up a lot thus making the video a lot of rage bait that's not very interesting to talk about. This video is not an exception with small holes everywhere that make writing a reasoned argument about it overly tenuous and fairly stupid. Examples: - At 3:38 you mention the increasing game difficulty between 2.1 and 2.5 that... does not exist. Yeah, Acheron released and at that moment they basically locked the difficulty of Pure Fiction and MoC from that point forward until the 2.5 Pure Fiction. The enemy matchup lineups changed a lot during that period with the release of Jade for Pure Fiction and Firefly in Memory of Chaos but the measurable difficulty modifiers of the modes stayed almost the exact same (oh spooky the MoC HP% multi went from 120% to 130% during that time). A lot of old characters became able to clear the endgame modes with the changing enemy lineups as well. - You mention characters needing their exclusive Light Cones and then proceed to talk about Boothill who, to be fair, didn't have any F2P cones at all that did much of anything for him (his best option was a 3 star that gave a speed boost to him on kill lol) but also really couldn't care less about a lack of cone at all as a break character, and Robin who has multiple amazing F2P options that fullfill different roles (one of which giving the energy you want in the form of But the Battle Isn't Over as well). It's especially weird to mention them when Yunli is like, right there, and has her RNG factors heavily mitigated by her light cone (increases her chance to get hit from about 28% on most teams to 70%). And these are only a few examples in the video. Talking Star Rail powercreep is at this point a massive circle jerk between people who say it doesn't exist and people who think it's the end of the game when both really couldn't be further away from the truth which makes the whole thing a mess.

And then there is jing yuan, who seems to be getting a buff every other patch. He suffers from reverse powercreep.

The biggest thing with powercreep with me is how much stronger the enemies get in comparison to older ones, its the big difference with star rail to me where its not just that old characters are weaker by comparison but bew enemies are so much stronger that the same team might just not work

10 to 15 minute video ✅ Genshin Commentary✅ Persona 3 music ✅ Perfect video to play while eating

Yeah this is why I couldn't care less about powercreep in any game. For Genshin I'm doing just fine. For ZZZ I'm also doing fine. For HSR I haven't even left the snow planet yet despite the main story for it being finished and I barely unlocked much in HSR, but still I'm getting through the game just fine without worrying about powercreep.

All the generosity that hsr players screaming about is that 10 pull every start of the patch and rest is the same with genshin. I played the game for a month and i havent seen that "generous" side of the game at all. Despite doing most of the things recommended to me i havent even got enough gems to guarantee **one** pity for a character. I dont even know if i played the same game as them.

Tbh, in my personal experience, i've never felt real powercreep in hsr. Yeah, it exist, but im still clearing everything with seele monoquantum, some people make it seem like the game is unplayeable if you dont have the best 5 stars in the game. Even if you dont clear everything with all stars you would only lose like 1-5 pulls per patch. Dont let the FOMO get you. 😔 (sorry if my english is ass, still learning)

Hsr is slowly turning into dragon ball legends

2.6 is the first patch that didn't introduce 2 new 5*s. The first since release. And 2.7 introduces 2 again. The release rate in Star Rail is just too fast. It's approximately twice as fast as Genshin, that releases just a bit over one new character per patch on average. This is what drives powercreep the most - the need to justify spending jades on all those new characters. While HSR does have better fleshed out late game content, Genshin's release rate is, I think, a lot more healthy and is much less FOMO'd. Also Genshin 4*s are a lot better and are also released more often. We'll see how ZZZ goes, it's too early to tell yet - double releases in the first few patches are fine, but I hope they slow down starting from the patch after the next. If Miyabi is the only character that gets released in 1.4 I'd be glad.

Powercreep in star rail is an issue yes but imo it's not that big of a deal? You don't need absolutely every character to clear all endgame modes and you can still 30* moc and 10* apoc shadow and pure fiction with older characters, missing a few rewards is not that big of a deal. Hsr gives a good amount of pulls so you can get some of the new powerful units and clear endgame with them. Older units had their time to shine and if I get a new character I want to use that character anyway. You can still use older characters in simulated universe game modes eg I managed to clear divergent universe protocol 6 with DoT team. I think people are way too focused on fully clearing all three endgame modes when it's really not that important

Might be a hot take but i think people doompost hsr powercreep way too much. Yes of course the game has power creep just like literslly every other gacha game, i mean look at genshin with characters like xiao and ganyu, ayaka, xiao only is good now bc of OP supports, the same thing with star rail. Acheron withouth jiaoqiu, or yunli withouth robin is a noticable downgrade and that's just how games like genshin or star rail work. The only exception to this rule is neuvillete which i know genshin hates for making him so broken Also if you love a dps, like i mean there your main you might aswell beef them up and get eilodon for there supp or themselves, bc i mean at the end of the day you only need 2 teams to clear every content. And pf is basically free with how easy it is, vertical investment is good if you just want less teams and focus on like a few characters.

Power creep in HSR is particularly bad because there is very little skill expression compared to active combat games. Better character models and more power is all they can really offer of value between metas. Which brings up the meta-creep that Leech briefly mentioned with DoT teams. HSR slows their power creep a bit by constantly releasing new "metas" that you will need to buy a new team for, and then releases an end game mode targetted at that meta. Ngl though Firefly working so great with harmony TB and 2 4 stars was a pretty cool move on Hoyo's part. The best way to play HSR might be to just login twice a year and do the story though..

Hsr powercreep can be slowed down if they just release one character per patch but the greedy mfs wouldn't do it

I realy hate that hsr has class based weapons instead of the system genshin has, like the only character that gets cucked by his weapon type is Thoma, while in HSR Boothill, Acheron, band so on have little to none f2p options

The worst part about power creep in HSR isn’t that Character A is weaker than Character B. The real issue is that many characters people initially skipped have actually aged like fine wine, which makes me kind of paranoid due to poorly timed banners. The best example of this is Topaz everyone skipped her because, at the time, we didn’t have Ratio/Feixiao, Aventurine, or Robin, so her best team was Hypercarry Topaz, which wasn’t that great. But with Jingliu and HuoHuo being released around her banner, Topaz’s pull value dropped even further. Of course, the devs know how much people want Topaz now (which is why she got two fast reruns), and it’s not because of the meta but because she’s genuinely that good and fits into her team incredibly well. She’ll probably synergize with even more future teams due to the summoner meta on the horizon. It’s a nice bonus that teamcomps offer such variety and creative possibilities. Compared to Genshin, it’s a much better approach to team-building than the typical Hypercarry characters that rely on multiple buffs or reaction-based DPS.

finaly some one else said the rate you need to pull charters makes the extra jade even out. thought i was the only one that relized that.

I wish I could main my e2 yanqing. But joining in 1.5 and not having the time to gather like god artifacts and max shit, hes literally like 3x worse than firefly. Not even an overstatement. No but honestly, I had to replace my yanqing, blade and sushang so fast to acheron boothill firefly etc. IN LESS THAN A YEAR of playing. Yet in genshin, yoimiya and noelle still clears abyss for me quite easily, although with more investment, but still with fast enough times to save more than a minute.

Doesnt seem reasonable to treat powercreep like an end to everything you built up, like "oh no i cant play this game anymore, my older character cant compete against the absolute strongest in the 1% of the hardest content right now! I cant get my extra 2 pulls, Its all for nothing!" Like be fr. You play games like these and should expect them to convince you to pull for the characters that will do better in whatever impossible-mode level they drop completely catering to the newest one

Wonder why I lost interest in playing Star Rail 💀

As someone who has been playing FEH since day 1, I can tell you confidently that Genshin players don't understand what Powercreep is and certain HSR players can be in denial about it. If we ever got the Fallen Edelgard equivalent in HSR or Genshin, a LOT of people will be extremely upset. Imagine Venti's dominance in 1.X, but in 5.X... A recipe for disaster.

Nothing in all three of these games compares to the absolutely horrendous powercreep in a game like fire emblem heroes. Legit most characters are unusable unless you invest EVERYTHING into them

Neuvillette is the goat the goat🗣️🗣️🗣️🙏🏻

I'm a big HSR defender and think it's my favorite of the three in the thumbnail but I definitely would never say it doesn't have power creep, especially when compared to Genshin. One thing I don't think I hear enough about from people though is how the power creep comes a lot from newer unit synergizing way better than older ones do. Feixiao isn't just better because her numbers are bigger, but because her core team of Topaz, Aventurine, and Robin not only gives her bonus damage, but they all give each other more and more attacks. Or Firefly who benefits from Lingsha/Gallagher being on the team but also implants fire weakness for them to also do good damage. Compare that to DHIL who beside from Sparkle doesn't have teammates who give him any benefits for his high SP cost, or Seele who doesn't have a single character who benefits from her getting additional turns or who gives her more damage from attacking multiple times in a row. Even Acheron just has Jiaoqiu for units who really click with her kit. Also they very foolishly added omni-break damage to Acheron so now all DPS units have to have it and so pumping numbers is the only way to differentiate them.

I have a C6 Seele (Dolphin) and she doesnt even do half as much as a acheron, Its just sad how Greedy the HSR developers are and we were blinded by their "Free pulls", I quit HSR a week ago also because of how stale the meta got, like we just got a break support and another break dps rappa and now fugue(tingyun).

If youre planning to play HSR now, youd be stressed af if you dont have good units.

6:58 not gonna lie this really goes into the community issue where hsr just has the superiority complex of while it’s true that hsr devs are more active than genshin devs that’s really bout it. Hsr as a game doesn’t have enough going on to really warrant its hype especially with how absurd power creep is and how much the game devolves into turn brain off and just autobattle unless you actively need to take iver

Seriously, I've said this several times, the same shit, word for word and I'm always stoned, HSR and horrible at PowerCreep, I just gave up really playing, I join once a month to farm for my Blade and I give up when it goes to do 100k with a decent team build and then I get Rappa and it does twice as much with zeroed artifacts. Like, if you can't do all the endmodes for any reason you will be losing 30 pulls or more per update, and they will even say that this game is generous, kind of like a mother who throws leftover food to her child only if it is.

Solid reasoning. I had a break from HSR between Fu Xuan and 2.4, just claimed Ratio in between. Can't max out any endgame mode yet. Normally, I get comments like "gg, skill issue, build a Himeko and a Welt". Nice to know someone has a different opinion.

Iyo def got bias. Powercreep exist in EVERY gacha game. But it doesn't stop a TEAM (not character) to be good, because the dev can always make a new support character or relic set for that spesific team. And HSR has been what? A year old, and only in their FIRST meta shift but people cried like it's the end of the game. Bro chill, let them COOK first. Also I don't get the argument "Star Rail produces characters like nuggets from slaughterhouse". Sure, but no one told you to pull for them all. People with these thoughts are either gacha addicts or just salty that their fav character got left out. It's team building game with gacha, if you can't be patient to wait for the dev to bring back your chars to T0 then you already lost to the dev cuz they make money out of your impatience.

It's not just power creep, the endgame buffs are scaled to be so that even if your team is well built, if it can't take advantage of the buff, it's a massive DPS loss. Genshin does this too but nowhere near as egregious

spot on. People bend the rules for whats considered P2W or powercreep depending on how much they like the game, because having genuine criticism is deemed impossible for something you like.

Hey, kinda off topic, but thanks for using Risk of Rain 2 ost in your videos, I got into that game after listening to The Rain Formerly Known as Purple in your video about Genshin's artifacts

I think zzz might be a little bit safer than direct powercreep but more vulnerable to subtle powercreep because of the enemies having weaknesses and resistances for certain elements and if they want someone to not be meta anymore they can just make the new enemies and the enemies in the endgames be resistant to that character which reduces their damage a lot(especially anomaly characters). And we’re currently in the anomaly meta rn so yeah

The rise and fall of DOT is why I don’t really play anymore. I came back around 2.0 for the story. Pulled Swan, Acheron; because.. Mei, and Firefly to make a super break team. And I guess I’m a sucker for the girl who needs to be saved trope. I can clear most with them, all I’m sure if I did the relic grind more. But it’s square peg in a round hole since meta switched to follow up right after. Actually topped up to get them vs my usual dolphin spending so I kinda feel scammed now. I’m sure I’ll come back at some point, but it’ll just be for story now

there are few content creator in hsr who till now deny powercreep, the first powercreep was DHIL and JL who came 1 patch after him, then once ratio was out with a full team he became better than DHIL, when in fact its team archetype that got upgrade and more synergy than the other, also end game modes sure favor a team or specific character each patch, Golden gear favored QQ and DHIL, swarm disaster was very easy with fua team, DU is a joke with acheron or Fire Fly acheron got demotes after few patches of having lighting resistance enemies in MOC/AS and better buffs/support characters for FUA/break team once we get to the new planet meta will change and maybe even the current FUA/Break teams might fad away like my mono quantum QQ team

I came to terms with power creep the second Gepard 2.0 and Clara 2.0 came out. Makes it hard to take the game seriously when my new fav character will be unusable in 2 updates.

Blade was my first 5 star and is still my favorite character. I have not used him ever since I got Feixiao.

The biggest issue with star rails power creep is solely the fault of the games general systems being as barebones as you can get. Enemies literally mean nothing outside of their break weaknesses ( something that’s getting phased out) combine this with lack of variety on what each character can do because they only have 1 skill abd their ult and the game goes into the issue of being “ how many punching bags can we throw at the player”

I’m on your side for the first time ever when it comes to the power creep in HSR. The MoC bosses of the first half of floor 12 should be made for Acheron. I recently even picked up Jiaoqui, but it’s near impossible to clear it under 6 rounds. Then I picked up Rappa, who has about 100% less break effect than my Boothill (she has 134%) and she just annihilated the first half in just *ONE* round. And Rappa isn’t just good on one mod, she’s good in *ALL* three endgame modes. Before I had her I was struggling in MoC. I only found *ONE* MoC run that didn’t played a Firefly or Rappa team (Firefly/Rappa, Lingsha, Ruan Mei and MC) in first and Feixiao (plus Aventurine, Topaz and Robin) in the second half. And I always try to look at how other people cleared it, if I don't find the right combination. 😅 I could still manage it without Rappa by splitting up my break team to run Firefly with MC, first half and Boothill-Ruan Mei second half. But yeah…. 👀🤭

TBF there's been pretty significant power creep in Genshin too. Just not as much and it took Hoyo 3 patches to raise the floor of end game content. Yes you dendro.

In all truth bro seeing how far seele has fallen simply solidifies this because I see her doing fine around 1.6 but the second we got to Acherons release is when many old dps just couldn’t do it anymore

In Star rail, If you just pull meta, the game is stupid easy. If you choose to skip any meta character just because you don't like them, then the game just feels like shit. It's crazy that one single character can completely change your game and is almost a necessity for half the teams For example, In Genshin, there's almost always a replacement for a character you don't like because most of a character's value comes from their element and elemental application. In Star Rail, if you skip someone like Ruan Mei because you dislike her, the game will be much harder; She's an invaluable character and is almost a necessity for playing the game, and there's not a single decent replacement for her that also won't be needed by your second team I hate how much this game pressures you into pulling the current meta characters and how bad the game feels if you are missing even ONE of them

i dropped HSR just a few weeks back after playing since launch, tried playing f2p and it got to a point where i was just spinning my wheels at the moment i got close to full clearing anything it the goal would just move further away. ZZZ i quit even more recently as it just feels like it takes eons to build a single character and since i also was playing that f2p it felt like i was regularly attacking with a wet sponge most of the time.

I'm happy to kick in the perspective of a newer player: I'm two months into HSR and I'm glad someone said like Soul did in this video. I try very hard to play who I like - for HSR, I joined for characters like Blade and DHIL. I know Acheron does way better damage than both of them and ignore weaknesses, etc., but I don't want Acheron. Her character doesn't appeal to me (neither does Feixiao or Boothill, who all look weird to me). So, It is genuinely frustrating to know who to pull for because the best characters are the newer characters, and as stated above, they don't appeal to me all that much. So now that DHIL is finally on banner, I'm actually wondering whether to bother pulling for him because he's like a year old, and clearly a step behind the present top DPSs, and the real question now isn't whether I want DHIL, it's "is investing in him going to be a waste of my time?" .... due to powercreep. Honestly might just quit the game.

the sole reason im even keeping up is that the units i wanted ended up all being being t0 dps (Acheron Firefly Feixiao) in genshin i can run arle/haitham one half and carry a random bullshit go meme teams on the other and still full clear (stuff like repurposing my nilou as an onfield hydro dps, geo carry xilonen etc) In hsr i have the feeling we kinda slowly get to the point where you need 2 strong teams with way way less room for lower investment variants to clear. I have a direct comparison. Ive got feixiao on 2 seperate accounts both e0 one with her signature+robin in her team the other with just the herta lc and no robin instead she has topaz. while my sig+robin feixiao can comfortably bully hoolay down in 5 cycles which for his level of hp pool is pretty good while the one without those luxury options need a whole lot more to even kill hoolay (like 2-3 more). On top due to how restrictive the first side of Moc 12 is given our current fire/imaginary dps roster is and it took getting rappa to even get the first side low enough to clear with the non robin feixiao. oh no i dared to pull for black swan for the kafka that has been sitting on that account since forever instead of robin how dare i. I quite frankly lost motivation trying to keep up on that account due to how many different mandatory things i didnt pull on compared to my main account like getting a break dps as late as 2.6

You gotta do like long deep dive videos into these issues. Showing us all of the teams, characters and so on. I think that would be pretty interesting

I started playing Honkai Star Rail a bit more recently, and I have found that some of the fights tend to be more difficult than the fights in Genshin Impact, which I have been playing for over 2 years. I really want to get Acheron because she reminds me of Raiden Shogun and because Raiden is a comfort character for me, but I also hope that I can build her well enough to carry my team. I also like using Electro characters as my Mains and I have been maining Serval as well. I have been a bit nervous to increase my World Level in Honkai Star Rail because of the difficulty of certain enemies as well.🖤💜

Genshin doesn't really have powercreep as such imo. Sure, stronger units get released, but those new units also buff old ones and introduce new ways of playing them, for example plunge Diluc with Xianyun, Vape Arlecchino with C6 Candace, Mualani and Dehya in general, Furina and Jean/Noelle, Chevreuse and Raiden, etc. Then there's Neuvillette who straight up mogged all other characters lol.

I think the fact that HSR is turn based makes it feel worse. you cant really get better at the game you either meet the stat check or you fail. things like genshin and ZZZ have room for variables based on gameplay. the same characters with the same gear can have a different run every time. Genshin and HSR ridiculous artifact system and sub stats are also a problem. So far im loving the system in ZZZ I had no idea how much better it would feel by removing RNG values on sub stats. ZZZ only been out for a few months and i think some of my sets in that game are better than sets i have in genshin or HSR because of it.

Currently I still can get the highest reward in the 3 endgame contents with respectable score. With the existing of powercreep my respectable score (top meta) surely become a barely score (mid) in the future and maybe cant score (irrelevant) after that. My plan for myself is to get newer team line ups before my current teams are completely irrelevant. Getting just the two core of the new team like the DPS and the support looks good enough for me. Besides, there's no way I'm sticking for the same team for a long time because it makes me get bored. I also prioritize pulling newer units (and if I like their kit+design). HSR powercreep may or may not affect me because of this. As long as it isnt very bad like HI3, I still can take this kind of powercreep. I dont mind if it takes me to mald to get the highest reward with mid units barely clear the endgame. Although comparing to HI3 isnt fair since it has actual in-game leaderboard (competititve).

I really cant get into star rail and my main reason being is that I so limited what I can do per turn. I cant block. Nor use an item. Nor pass my turn. Nor switch out characters. After playing Persona, seeing star rail is painfully basic on what you can do and its quite boring. I feel like I should be able to have a plethora of choices when it comes to gameplay and not like 3 options max with no other choices??? Like atleast let me guard 😭 anyways thats my main gripe with the game. Very little to do each turn and its not entertaing, well atleast for me.

One major issue with HSR is that while many of the 4star supports are serviceable or surprisingly good in some cases for their rarity tier (Pela, Tingyun, Gallagher, and if we're being generous Herta and Xueyi as subDPS), the limited 5 star supports are on a crazy higher ceiling between the likes of Ruan Mei, Robin, Aventurine, Lingsha, and others. Additionally, while it's somewhat possible to cope with a superbreak team using HMC using some 4star DPS, most of the 4 star DPS are at such a considerably lower floor and ceiling than their limited5 competition. While you didn't dwell on specifics to the extent of the HP bloat of Genshin's recent Abyss, even for some longtime accounts it's becoming difficult enough to clear the most recent sets of MOC AS and PF; to the extent that you had to either have the foresight to pull for FOMO and/or have enough good puzzle pieces available. Lot harder to make a passion project character shine (fellow Blade coper).

At this point we will have characters which literally oneshots a single enemy by the time we fight Nanook (btw the enemy will have 100,000,000 hp on a normal enemy, 1 trillion on bosses and 1 quintillion on weekly bosses, while characters would have basic attacks dealing a million on a non-crit, having 1,000% base crit damage, just for the enemy’s hp to be doubled next patch and hoyo releasing a even more powerful character)

Honestly Limbus company is also a turn based game and it doesn’t have as quick leaning to power creep as Starrail

Can't argue with that. Even I, who try to clear every moc/pf/as with 4* only, can't deny that power creep is real. Enemies receive more and more hp every patch. At some point, 4* characters and the older 5* just don't meet the damage threshold.

4 stars will almost always be weaker than 5 stars which is the case for most gacha games. There will be the occassional low rarity unit thats used for XYZ reasons but they dont make the rule. Fortunately like you said in genshin, the difficulty isnt too hard to force a non-f2p to roll (unless you have the occassional abyss) but the 4 stars are just insanely good in genshin such that their C6 is almost the same if not better than some 5 stars. But this is not true in star rail, getting an E6 4 star is great but it wont make them perform super crazy, unless you're Moze! Now in star rail they HAVE been inflating the hp pool making the lower ceiling teams perform worse which sucks. This is a turn based game and such all turns matter. Althought I'd still say its the same as genshin as if you just care about clearing, any team has the potential to do that. These current game modes have been favouring break (firefly becuae fire weakness) and FUA. This added with their good teams and the inflated hp pool creates the illusion of a "dps gap". Tbh most units in 2.0 have been really good and like genshin, most 1.0 units are not used as much with kazuha, hutao and xiao staying somewhat relevant. but unlike genshin star rail has more usable 1.0 units. Ratio, Mei, topaz, huohuo, IL (yes) Kafka dot. The yunli-clara example falls a bit flat for me as clara is a standard unit, she's not supposed to be a reference point.

As a Star rail player, I don't deny that there is powercreep but it is manageable to still full star everything as an F2p as long as you have good builds and are getting at least 1 or 2 of the most recent dpses, which is rather easy considering the amount of currency we get. Also, yes, Star rail is more generous than genshin and pulling new units is more fun in star rail. Here are a few facts : you don't NEED every unit, if you don't have enough self restraint to not be drooling after every new unit then that's on you, also star rail releasing more units means It's more likely for a unit you like to come out, unlike genshin where you could go 6 months with only useless reruns or units you don't give a damn about and end up not pulling anything which defeats the whole point of a gacha. Also, don't act as tho f2p players in genshin are able to get all the 5 stars in the game either, a f2p player in hsr probably has after 1 year as many 5 star as a genshin player has after 4 years and considering how boring genshin is and how much characters are often the only content, that just makes genshin feel more sluggish as you wait to have enough for a 5 star or for one you like to be on banner. You are talking from the view of a genshin WHALE, as someone who has played genshin f2p, I can tell you it sucks, you go for LONG stretches of time between new 5 stars obtained, it takes forever to build them and if you miss a unit you might have to wait a year or more until they come back. Genshin also makes you feel like you'r working in a coal mine to obtain pulling currency with that time consuming tedious exploration of convoluted maps. All of this to say, yes Star rail has more powercreep than genshin but star rail is also more fun for non-spenders and It's endgames are manageable with good planning.

LMFAO i love the immediate diss to star rail players. It's accurate after all. The only argument I sadly can't accept is acheron being 0.5 simply due to Jiaqiu existing. My man literally single handedly makes E0 equal in power to e2 which makes her equally powerful to the top current units. Dot isn't useless, but they are currently neglected and the most powerful characters literally make dot require 4 prenium units to compete (limited at that). Boothill is in a weird position where technically he got powercrept instantly. but at the same time he is equally powerful due to the fact he gains value as both a normal break unit and hypercarry unit. Which is true because when he was first released people said he deals to much damage to a single target, due to him stacking basically the value of both traditional hypercarry and full break units. As the game progress's he might become one of the stronger units and stay relevant despite him not being the absolute strongest.

I'm someone who started playing not so long ago, I'm heading towards Xinanzhou and just finished belobog, and NGL, the amount of powercreep this game has makes me drift further and further away, from it, I like the Story and characters, the gameplay is a bit tedious cuz it's repetitive, but considering the increasing amount of effort both in time and building characters that it seems to be required with each patch... It makes feel HSR like a total grind fest (not a good one) instead of a videogame that I can casually play every now and then, and sure, I'm not obligated to play every day or anything, but for how things are going it seems that unless you grind every day, you won't be able to do shit in the long run, cuz you're going to need power creep characters, since the F2P rout might become even tighter than it already is.

Powercreeping in hsr is insane as a 1.0 player! I stopped playing for like 3 months and I felt so behind when I get back.

I'm not sure where the "Boothill got completely overshadowed by Firefly" sentiment comes from and I say that as a Firefly main. Since his release he has had simmilar clear speeds to Firefly and arguably higher in some cases. This is without the fact that a lot of break content like puppet boss and DU feels more favored to firefly. Not only that he is about to become even better with Sunday and Tingyun His one issue is that his lightcone is a much bigger upgrade than the f2p one. But like as you said in the video thats a thing for many dps units.

I am that person that quit SR for a while. I quit about a year ago because I was already beginning to feel the power creep since I didn't have the best 5-star characters. And then I came back a little bit ago because March had two swords, and March is great. I did not stick around. That power creep that I was feeling before just felt overwhelming.

Time to listen to us F2Ps. We have unlimited wisdom and we can survive any endgame.

Raw painful facts as always 😢 I wanted to play Blade so bad I had him E1 with a signature. And we all know what happened here 😭

all one needs to say is: so far only three characters lasted in top tier until their rerun. Ruan mei Aventurine and Robin. Not even Sparkle. You could argue Topaz but she increases with fua relevancy. Acheron who was hyped to high heavens and back basically now has a pull value if you dont have her lc and first eidolon already. No one makes it long enough to be really worth it if you dont immediately get at least e0s1 on release and dont yoy dare get anyone on their first rerun they'll be useless immediately.

I really dislike the way the Star Rail devs are handling the game, but I'm afraid that ZZZ is going in the same direction. Of course, it's still too early to know; Genshin also had a significant increase in the damage ceiling with the early limited 5-stars. However, what saved Genshin is that, with every new character released, there was an opportunity for older ones to shine through new synergies. I don't really see this happening in Star Rail or ZZZ, because the combat systems in these games are far more straightforward than the elemental reaction system in Genshin, and this leaves these two games with way less room for indirect balancing, like Genshin did with healers when Furina was released. That's why I don't see a world where they can make a character that helps Blade compete with newer DPS without unintentionally buffing an already overpowered DPS and worsening the situation. Hopefully, they will figure out a solution for this soon.

this is why I like genshin.. literally all my characters from 1.x are still more powerful or works just as fine as than anything they release later (neuvillette not inlcuded) and pulling new characters is basically dictated only by my wanting them and not by me needing them to clear content.

It feels like when a new drip market comes out, the character will either redefine an archetype or kill an existing character no matter if they were a 4 or 5 star. Jiaoqiu could’ve had the same kit and be ice but instead they killed what little presence Guinaifen had by making him fire. At least there are reasons to have Yunli and Clara on the same team at times.😅

i agreed with everything in the video but the thing about genshin is every abyss 4 star clear has xianling bennet fischl and xq like they are soo broken u can’t release 4 stars stronger than them, might as well make them a 5 star (yelan) so yeah. powercreep in star rails is getting crazy not to mention them putting the dps and the bis support together in the banner (firefly ruan mei / robin feixiao) so imposible for f2p to save realistically

I just play star rail for the story at this point. Whatever happens in MoC or the other endgame modes happens. I only full cleared MoC a couple of times and I doubt it'll ever happen again, forget the other modes.

The power creep in recent gachas has honestly not been as bad as some older gachas. FFBE, final fantasy brave exvius' powercreep is so severe that old 5 stars are no longer even usable in certain content. They were replaced by 6 stars, 7 stars and now effectively replaced by '8' stars.

lol the clickbait Jane Doe in the thumbnail...

I really hate the power creep there.. 1. I never pull on a character if I know I can't get their light cone. 2. there I characters I don't give a damn about, for example - acheron, until I got firefly. I just gave up on 36 stars cause I didn't want to sweat on it. I remember blade and jingliu were easy win. now not only she is not on top 3 anymore, she is so behind. plus. why every showcase on the internet is like: they are good. look at my e6 character with their e6 supports, I can almost 1 cycle with them. and there's firefly, the one who can 1 cycle with just the mc on her team. wow, I can't wait to see who will switch her.

i use a lot of old characters (jing yuan, dhil etc.) and have been full clearing since silverwolf. i don't have acheron or firefly and i rlly do think i would've rage quit if i hadn't pulled for their new BIS supports of the week and support eidolons. i think part of what makes new characters so compelling is how braindead they can be to play and the zero relic investment it can take for them to do well. i pulled feixiao and half leveled, flop relics and she was devouring all of my top 5% older dpses with their lightcones. even if i can still clear with them, it's super disheartening

Yeah that's why I stopped playing Honkai Star Rail because the rate at which they were releasing characters was getting to much for me and seeing all these people say oh this character is better than the previous best character is just so exhausting