The Wrestler (2008) | Wrestling With Wregret 

I prefer his symbolic death in the film.

J K TBF, he could’ve gone over but collapsed on his way back to the locker room. The ambiguous ending is still amazing though

Yes. If he didn't then he would have very soon after. It was the climax symbol that he was at his end.

This is neat info. Thanks.

The Ayatollah dodged drop and the match continued forever more...

Now all we need is Rourke to wear suits, cut his hair, and cut promos with a thesaurus handy.

He's also as delusional these days.

@@Bale4Bond Chris Jericho is one of the best ever at playing a character. Heel, face, tweener, he makes you believe. At one time he could work with the best of them, and now at 49 he ain't bad. Chris Jericho may be delusional, but Chris Irvine is one of the sharpest men in the game.

This, the movie feel like it's about Ric Flair, but Jericho really look like the Ram

The Demo God!

And there still isn't over 10 years later!

@@EC23_10 SIMP

to this day!

RKO1988 people like you are the reason why that word has completely lost its meaning. Idiot

This Proves that This Is a Movie ... a Fantasy in Some Form ...

jaryd12345 Bingo...it doesn’t matter. It’s already taken him. What’s left is totally irrelevant at this point because he’s already been consumed.

He may not die that day, but probably next month or next year.

Well noted. I love that perspective of that moment. It makes me like the movie even more. Thanks.

Death of his desires

Full on Roddy Piper.

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Same 👍 saw it back in 08 w/ a pal who wasn't much of a wrestling fan but he was into sports related films and he enjoyed it.

@@DrinkYourNailPolish as someone who did backyard wrestling and went to the WCW power plant , Brian is spot on, all the wrestlers on the Indy circuits and developmental guys and trainers are very nice and you even make friends that way This movie was a great movie and a great wrestling movie and a great movie too

I was going to comment but you already said exactly what I was thinking. It's a real film, a lot of the people in the film are real wrestlers. The deli where Ram works is real and some of the customers were real and the lines improved by Rourke. Marisa did not use a body double which also put a real touch for her character.

Requiem For A Dream was way more depressing

Michael Burke I was in high school working to be an mma fighter in my home gym when this came out back in the day

I believe anyone who has worked in any job with customer interaction has had that fantasy.

Not the being a wrestler part ... just the losing it at work 🤣

"Ayatollah, I'm fooked"

why?

Please tell me I'm not the only one who read that poem and couldn't help to imagine Bryon Saxton writing and reciting that poem...LOL! Seriously, If Saxton actually did write poetry I'd imagine it'd be quite similar to the famous poet Bryon's works...

Please see yourself out, Byron

That's an amazing quote - thanks for sharing.

That's what makes it a classic tale. Not only in sport, but universal.

FINALLY, Wrestling With Wregret has reviewed.. The Wrestler.

Couldn't have said it better

Exactly

Yes sir

@@Nightrumble It didn't shit on his company directly. Even though, it totally does indirectly. But It always bothers me when people talk about the movie like it's a wrestling movie. It's not. It's a deadbeat dad trying to reconnect with his estranged child movie. It could have been a Stuntman, a Super Hero, A Sewage Worker. The story remains exactly the same.

He also took blood money from murderous cunts in an UNNAMED middle Eastern nation

Believable quote, Vince is gonna die before he chooses to retire I feel. Vince doesn't have a life outside of the industry it seems in the same way as Randy doesn't in the film

@@Stefan8u "Believable quote, Vince is gonna die before he chooses to retire I feel. Vince doesn't have a life outside of the industry it seems in the same way as Randy doesn't in the film" Whatever you have to say about Vince, he loves the industry, he almost singlehandedly built the industry. He might not be a nice man, but I do get the feeling that he'd never ask his -werstlers- superstars for anythnig he wouldn't do himself. And for that, I have a grudging respect for him.

- Hulk Hogan.

i think this movie was really what began a large shift in the popular attitude toward wrestling. other things like ESPN talking about WWE helped too, but really this was the film i think that made people start to see that wrestling has a ton of layers and psychology and not just some clownshow

@@skippythealien9627 The E60 special on WWE round when The Wrestler was out got me back into wrestling

thats interesting

Was that day JUDGEMENT DAAAY! ?

Jerry was a great wrestler

Thats who he reminds me of

@@Hugh_Morris awesome matches with aj styles

The director didn't base it on Roberts alone. He's said it was an amalgamation of numerous wrestlers.

Think of it like the character of "Pink" in Pink Floyd's "The Wall". He's a little bit of Roger Waters, and a little bit the stereotypical rock star.

Ethen Millard I pretty much figured that out after watching beyond the mat

I saw Rick Flair in this movie. If it wasn't for the WWE bailing him out, Flair would be broke and working Indie shows for $200/night.

DDP was the difference.

Huh, I'm seeing parallels there. Isn't part of the ending of the show his therapist refusing to see Tony anymore because he's clearly never going to leave the mob life?

@@austinleach1307 Yeah, that's what happens in the Sopranos. Her therapist convinced her that she was basically aiding Tony's criminal behavior and Tony could never be truly cured.

That wasnt really a big focus of theoast season. Yes, melfi cuts ties with tony but i dont even think there’s any of that in the last half of the final season. The last scene is the soprano family meeting ine by one at some random diner, tony’s there first and he’s always watching the door. Meadow gets there last, and as the door opens it cuts to black, we’re left unsure if meadow or a hitman walked thru the door.

Reminded me of Jake's story in Beyond the Mat

exactly. fuck sean penn. he's an overrated piece of shit who thinks he's smarter than everyone.

Scott Bauer at least in real life Jake was finally able to reconcile with his daughter. The whole story in the movie ripped my heart out, and is even harder to watch now that I’m a dad, since I can empathize with his daughter being pissed that he was never around.

@@thevoid99 Penn's more of a "too cool for school" actor I agree Mickey should of won ... But he actually puts his money in lots of charities and he rents an apartment

If he could have stepped aside for Mickey to get the Oscar I think he might have.

😂

He blamed seth rollins.

I heard Hogan thought it was about him because he said "brother" alot

Thorn Age a hogan movie wouldn’t be that great.

given that Mickey looks like modernday Hitman not shocked

Is that good or bad

Why? In a bad way?

As an active wrestler I understand what you mean. I also tell people to watch before thinking of starting

Both, kinda. I can see a lot of the passion that the character had reflecron on myself and also some of his struggles. Even tho i did not had any carrer ending injuries nor am I even close to beeing old. I had a lot of reasons that made me temporarily quit the whole thing. I rewatched the movie 3 weeks ago and hit me so hard. I had everything planned this year. My wrestling return a world travel to train everywhere (us, mexico, japan). And then the pandemic came and once again I was unnable to wrestle. I also met some people that did thenselves into that kind of passion. Idk, that movie has something that always gets me

There's another thing: the fact that I had to choose a lot of times between wrestling and a job, like the character did is another reason. I live in brazil and pw is such a small business here that I believe just one person in the whole countrie makes a living out of it (the company owner)

Yeah Norbit got robbed of an Oscar

@@Hadarouken It won the Academy Award...for Best Movie Ever Made.

Eddie thankfully didn't get the Oscar for Dreamgirls...

"It ain't about ability, it's all about politics, remember that."

sure but plenty of power rangers actors or action stars make a career out of fake fighting and dont end up violent murderer/rapist/drug addicts

@@ChichiNaka except the Red Ranger who beheaded his friend with a sword on a LSD trip.

@@ChichiNaka See, that argument would work if those actors/ actresses actually took legitimate bumps instead of landing on crash pads, using wires, or having a stunt double to the stunt itself. Wrestlers actually take that damage, action stars don't.

I think it’s Al Snow who stresses this, but “the only fake thing about wrestling is the finish”.

Wrestling is scripted....totally different from fake

Hogan couldn't play a tree in a school play.

Possibly one of the greatest leaps of faith

@@TheMuldoonFella One of the harshest truths about wrestling: If you are a broken down shell of a person that dies in the ring, you're a hero. If you are a broken down shell of a person that murders your wife and son, you're a pariah whose name will never be spoken of again. But in either case, the question NO ONE wants to ask themselves is "Why must they die before their time, to begin with?"

Well, ultimately we dont know what happened, all we got are pieces that we have to put together. And that's the true beauty of good movies: even when you see the set story, there are stories you make up on your own based off of your own experience. I've seen people in this comments section say that he either died at the end, or finished the match and died right after, or he finished the match and just went on in the ring until the ultimate final bell called.

+Cameron Sykes #FACTS

Man I agree

In retrospect, even if he did, I still would think Heath Ledger would’ve won if he lost. (And he played THAT Joker role)

Eh, Sean Penn was a bit better. Itt was the right choice. Also Heath Ledger was a supporting actor and he did win.

@@theitfactorjameswheezer2852 Jesus Christ..you sound like a total homophobe. Penn was excellent in Milk but I guess you would have to actually WATCH the movie before you can judge it..Something tells me you haven't watched it once and have no idea who Harvey Milk is without having to google his name. He was gay..so what? It's like bitching about "Selma" because Hollywood loves pushing the pro black message. Get a grip

Famously happened to his good pal Rocky Maivia...

Dlo was at a indy show… he probably relates

Yeah always felt ot was Ric Flair's life. Bit Taker documentary really made me see him in a different light. The never ending vicious cycle.

@Metropcs Metropcs good point, but you could still see the creepy vicious cycle addiction. When you have a good match you are like cool I can have another one and when the other one is bad, then you can't leave on that one. Personally I am a little bit bummed as I was expecting a last ride biker style year for Taker. I think he could still do pre taped match like the Boneyard match et do his entrance and a chokeslam/tombstone without having a match (which he will probably do), but at the same time it wasn't healthy mentally for him to keep doing in this addicted cycle.

Undertaker, Flair, Roberts, I kinda see parts of all of them.

I was there too. Dover NJ, representing!

Shooting a film be like that

its a movie they should of known it was going to happen like that

Yep, as others have said it's a little silly of the crowd to expect a live event energy when shooting a Hollywood movie!

@@George_Gilbert Hell, even The Rock had trouble controlling the crowd when he was getting live shots for "Fighting With My Family" at the one RAW taping. Trying to get dozens, hundreds, or even thousands of untrained/unwilling extras in line can be a bitch, even for Rocky. This was the infamous event where he called CM Punk on the phone to appease the raucous crowd, but Punk was in an elevator and didn't receive it. It infuriated Vince that he did it and actually caused some heat between them.

+Guillermo sierra Cuéllar *clever*

No one as nobody thinks of you.

@@rickyvandusen1744 #Unnecessary

@Josh Allen mcu*

The scene where his daughter walks away from him for good is truly heartbreaking

Roddy Piper and Marty Jannetty, too

Misawa still hurts today

What happened to Misawa?

@@TheMuldoonFella He had a heart attack in the ring and passed away shortly after. The tragic thing was that he was planning on retiring but due to a whole lot of complicated circumstances he was the only big star left in the company so he didn't really have any choice but to stay for a while longer.

@@atticusshadowmore3263 oh shit. Thats fucked up

He probably didn't have the money to open one

Some people are not good instructors, it is one thing to be able to do something and completely different trying to teach someone else how to do it.

The Dude Abides Ric Flair had his own academy?

Probably never occurred to him. Part of what destroys Randy is his unwillingness to accept he's not a young man at the peak of his career any more who needs to change gears in life. It's tragic, because like you say he could definitely have parlayed that knowledge, experience, and respect to pay it forward.

@@DSFARGEG00well said! It’s like he never really grew out of that era in his life and thought that the good times would always be there, not taking into account of his future.

I’m ashamed to say I loved that movie lol I even paid for a digital copy. It’s cheesy in the best way possible!

Everyone else: Yes. Yes you are.

Yes.

Yes

Back when Ready to Rumble came out i honestly thought it was pretty funny.... but i was also like 7 years old lol

I completely agree and I LOVE Bret Hart.

It puts him in the perfect place to talk about how not all retired wrestlers are like the ram.

@@bryanelam7431 No... not all retired wrestlers are like Bret! A VERY small percentage of them are able to ride out on their name alone. Are offered 100s of thousands of dollars for an appearance. Think of ALL the wrestlers you grew up with (espically if your over 30 like me) and how many of them are still making the money they did in their prime... LIKE BRET HART

@@nicole9volt you missed my whole point! The reason why he is in the perfect place to talk about how not all retired wrestlers are like the ram character is because that's the place brett is in. That's all I'm saying, it's just the reality of where brett himself is at in life, that's all.

@@bryanelam7431 Did you eat mushrooms for breakfast or is your brain always this smooth? “Bret in the place to talk about his place”? What”?

i legit thought it was a rib from the southpark guys.

Yep, got that mumbling, constipation rock of Bruce Springsteen down pat.

You’re saying that’s NOT springsteen?

From the screenshot I saw of Lances thoughts, they seemed reasonable even if I disagree

I really, really don't like Cornette.

Look at the lives of guys like Iron Sheik, Marty Jannetty, Roddy Piper, Tony Atlas, Kamala, Sabu..... Wrestling can be an unforgiving business

Cornette is too focused on the fact that it highlights the indie mudshow shitfest that he doesn't like and he thinks the movie implies it represents the business as a whole, which is not what the movie is going for at all

It would’ve been incredible.

it wouldve turned this great movie into a so bad its good movie

At least he gave us Superman lol

God, they should have made both lol

We kinda got that already. Imagine Con-Air as The Plane Ride From Hell.

my uncle worked EMT in the new orleans area in the late 70s-mid-80s, so he covered a LOT of wrestling shows.. by the time the 90s came around, when me and my brother started getting in to wrestling, he took every opportunity to shit on the business. He told us about blading, how they'd fake 'branding' people, how they fake certain moves, or explained that if certain moves really happened that guy would "be dead". He mentioned meeting Hogan and a few others, in passing, and that they were good people, not the characters. Like if they were a heel, he'd be like "no he's actually a nice guy." I'll never really understand why he had as much contempt for the business as he did. But looking back, it feels like if he thought there was the tiniest spark of interest, he had to extinguish it.

@@maxdecphoenix hope he not still hating

@@stephonwilliams5232 he passed away in the early 2002.

In the same vein, Eddie Murphy was incredibly close to an Oscar nomination for his role in DreamGirls, then he went and did Norbit.

And don't forget, this is the same industry where directors and producers have parties and give away tens of thousands of dollars in free stuff to the Voters just to win their favor. The thought of one of their precious Best Actor nominees doing a wrestling match would have been a nail in the coffin for his campaign for the award.

it's so interesting you mention this because it's 100% plausible. Sean Penn was long despised by a lot in the Academy because he always always skipped these award shows...but even he won Best Actor ahead of Rourke and you're absolutely right. I can't help but think it's because of the way wrestling was perceived by "high brow" culture at the time. You don't have to like his movies (i'm well past the age most of his films are intended for), but you can't deny that Dwayne Johnson busted his ass to become more than just a sideshow in the movie industry...and while Batista and Cena are really good actors too, Rock definitely paved a huge path for them to be successful

That's weird cause they live in a fake world and act like other people. Wrestling is acting with so much more physicality, danger, devotion ect.

So was I. Sort of.

Where??

Who is Cesaro?

He's called Claudio Castagnoli now in AEW part of the Blackpool Combat Club @@MikeSerota

Well I understand why people like Cornette hate it. It's a movie about the parody of the industry that some """promotions""" like ECW or VZW were.

Clan Koos ...what?

@Ethan Kinsella So true. It was a heavily researched movie so its uncomfortable for those in the industry

Because guys like Lance Storm, Jim Cornette, Bret Hart, and the like are successful in retirement, and not because they left professional wrestling and became used car salesmen. Storm isn't even that physically broken down. They can still show up at events and have plenty of fans happy to see them. Bruno Sammartino hadn't been shown or mentioned by WWE on any program for two decades and still drew five hundred people to an ROH meet and greet. Not a WWE fan concession, not a TNA "backstage" access, an ROH meet and greet. You know, if Randy The Ram really was a Jake Roberts equivalent. That said, Roberts did go through a pretty dramatic downward spiral, as did Scott Hall, Dynamite Kid and several others. In some cases worse than what was depicted from the movie from a private, financial, legal and physical perspective. But it's not so accurate in how the public would treat someone if they really were a territorial era star. Dynamite Kid was/is a violent sociopath confined to a wheel chair, but people still like seeing him if he so indulges them. Also, if Ram was truly a big territorial star and wasn't comfortable with garbage wrestling, he'd have the pull to not do it, even in a garbage central promotion like CZW. Especially if it was a one off appearance. Yes, the plot dictated he suffer from being out of his comfort zone, but those might have been the two biggest inaccuracies in the movie. True, garbage matches did help break down Chris Benoit, but Benoit was psychologically comfortable in those. I'm not implying The Wrestler was a bad movie. I can just understand why someone who loved working professional wrestling and retired either happy or financially secure, possibly both, would find the movie insulting. My beloved profession is finally getting some mainstream press again, good press at that. WWE isn't even involved, maybe someone else deserving will be propped up. It's a long time coming! Good God what was that? He's stalking a stripper? We're aren't getting good press, we're getting pity! How dare you?

Cornette’s logic is that the film shows wrestlers as fundamentally broken, which given his love of kayfabe and the glory days of Mid South, hurts him physically.

It's like Her. Great movie but I only want to watch it once.

Evan Rachel Wood & Marisa Tomei would each have reigns with the 24/7 48/7 7-Eleven I-95 (South!) European Television W9: The Whole Nine Yards Championship :P

I think that's more what the movie is about from a wrestling perspective, the amateur circuit. It's just told through the eyes of a has been instead of a hungry up and comer. You could make the Rocky version of the kid who gets his big shot and the sacrifices and compromises he makes along the way, and it would be entertaining, but I much prefer the story about an old man filled with regret.

Hows ur shift? Lmao

@@randyrichardson1542 training a newbie. So super slow

10? Kid your not old then or now

Dude i took my dad to see this when i was little and i didn't tell him what it was about lmao

@@fc775 12 years is a long time tho

@@romangagne5842 dude you're 22. You're still a kid.

Pretty sure I remember seeing Jay Lethal in there.

"They call you Hollywooooood don't make me laugh Cuz your movies and your actin' skills are both trash Your movies straight to video the box office can't stand While I got myself a feature role in Spider Man" - Macho Man Randy Savage.

@@akshay_9146 OOOOHHHH YEEEEEAAAAAAH!

Besides the fact that he's a terrible actor, can you imagine Hogan putting aside his pride and massive ego to play a down and out loser clinging to his wrestling career to salvage something out of his life? 😂

@@gst013 Hogan wouldn't have put the heart attack over and would have changed the ending to him dropping the big leg on the Ayatollah and becoming famous again, brother.

This movie would have ended a whooole lot differently. End credits rolling over photoshopped press clippings with headlines like "HOGAN WINS BIG AT BOX OFFICE" and "SUBURBAN COMMANDO 2 TOPS $90M".

"..And now here's Baron Corbin, with a Package Pile-DRIVER!! OH MY! HE KILLED 'EM!! WHA' KILLED 'EM!! HE DEAD! HE DEAD!!!"

Yeah but did he died??

@@forteerick937 - I think he dieded.

Pretty sure ayatollah is supposed to be a non copyrighted sheiky baby

Watch the move again, it’s a flying head butt

Personally think it might be a head butt/double elbow drop combo. Move your arms a little more in and you get the elbows first(which would look brutal btw) but move 'em further out & you get the headbutt(which would be a little more dangerous move from there for the wrestler).

He smacks his elbows to get in character. It's like Ric Flair slapping his shoulders.

Great Sasuke use it in his matches, totally a headbutt

Except Axl intervened personally to give them the right to the song

@@beneddu He means this video itself.

I hope they can get Chris Evans to play Macho Man in it.

Its rumored to be called "That don't work for me brother"

Requiem for a Dream borrowed the bathtub screaming scene from Perfect Blue.

People buying fake rumors being overexaggerated and ballooned up by the american government so that they can get kickbacks from it, and every idiot believes it's a big deal just because everyone else says it is? What a scary year this is. For totally different reasons. 2020 has become essentially the movie Idiocracy. Just replace that president with Trump, and Electrolytes with Coronavirus and make it an anti-placbo that everyone is irrationally afraid of and THAT'S 2020.

Dark Side Of The Ring

He chose how to go out.

1. There's no such thing as a WWE Legend's Contract, it's a myth 2. He wasn't a former WWW star, he worked and was known exclusively from the indy promotions. Great advice on money saving for athletes

@@meciocio The Legend's Contracts don't pay normal, it just gives WWE the rights to merchandise a SuperStar and prevents them from appearing at rival Promotions. The character was based on many, but mainly on former WWE & WCW star Jake "The Snake" Roberts, so a major WWE SuperStar who got lost in drugs and alcohol, lost touch with daughter and still wrestled on the indies long after he was done.

@The Dude Abides His heyday was the 80s, so either WWE, NWA/WCW or AWA, especially since he had a video game. He's basically Jake "The Snake" Roberts.

Josh Alexander worked construction till Impact gave him his contact and actually said the other construction guys called him The Wrestler

Dude this is from two years ago and you just hearted my comment. Good job