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Also let's say hypothetically she is to blame...why couldn't they go on as a three piece. But of course you can't blame Yoko for the other 3 not getting along.

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@@ChelaximCan tell how young you are jumping in with that theory. The other three got on just fine, Ringo was the glue of the group, but they would have struggled to continue without their main frontman as they wouldn’t even be the Beatles anymore. As popular as sell out McCartney is these days, John was the front of that band, it would be like the Rolling Stones going on as there Rolling Stones without Mick Jagger, even when Keith’s there it’s not the same. Or like how Queen are still a band with a new weirdo front man. You’ve got legends in that band, and I like them more than Freddy, but Queens not Queen without Freddy. They were asked years later [the beatles] if they’d ever get back together, they said not whilst John was still “unalive”. They wouldn’t do it without him. Before he passed he had already separated for good from Yoko, and there was talk of the Beatles getting back together but obviously it wasn’t to be

I mean...John didn't leave Julian in his will...Sean Ono Lennon was. John didn't put his carrer on hold when Julian was born...he did when Sean was. Maybe John didn't like Julian 🤔 I mean Hey Jude is about Julian...not by his dad tho...

@@Chelaxim true, John was admittedly a horrible father to Julian and I think (at least I hope) he recognized that when he became a father to Sean. And he may have wanted to do right by Julian after the fact but Julian or Cynthia might’ve turned him down and said they didn’t want him in their lives again, we’ll never know. But back to what I brought up before, given the circumstances if I were in Yoko’s position I would just give the letters back because it’s the right thing to do.

I agreed, even if John never met Yoko or exist. The group would have break up, anyway sooner or later as band. As don’t intend to last forever, even if with or without Yoko in it.

Most people haven’t been in a band.

Sounds like ur not about the music ur about drama

I think that's why the partiarchal societeis are so misogynistic: They think women are the source of evil and should be kept small.

That's how misogyny works. Blame it all on a woman for ruining men. Like podcast bros blaming women for bad relationships and career struggles

@@cutekitten12 But that makes no sense. If men are so great and strong and deserve to rule the world, how can they be so weak as to be influenced by women?

@@cutekitten12 Misogyny will continue in one way or another as long as most people are *chimps* at core. Men AND women. A chimp-y lady will still unashamedly (or obliviously) proclaim that she needs a "big, bad boi" to protect her "scared and insecure" little a*s because both her mentality and outlook of the world is that it's a *jungle* . Last week I heard a radio host claim she'd "love to live during the Stone Age" because "A big, strong man would PROTECT her from everybody." Her wet dream no doubt. Not to be a wholly independent, self-reliant woman of the civilized modern age but to be *protected* by a big, bad *brute* . Does she even listen to herself or is remotely aware of how self-oppressing she comes across? If she desires such a time she can go live in places where women still are relegated to "traditional roles". My point is there will never be a shortage of chimpy men, brutes and jerks as long as there are PLENTY of chimpy women desiring nothing else than to be "saved and protected" by their likes. For people who mentally and psychologically still are on the CHIMP level and perceive the entire world as a dangerous JUNGLE expect no significant progress. You can't have equality with a large percentage still living on the "chimp-in-the-jungle" level. If the world is indeed a jungle we can maintain and re-introduce the ideas of social darwinism. Heck, we can embrace it at all levels. The nazis did claiming it was "the natural order". Sure, if you believe that humans are no more than chimps in a jungle. Why is there misogyny? Stupid women desiring stupid men. That problem would be solved within a generation of people lived up to the name of our species "thinking human". But what "thinking" is needed for a chimp in a jungle? " Like podcast bros blaming women for bad relationships and career struggles" And WHO listens to them? Chimps. And that's the fundamental error of feminism. The bizarre notion that only men are chimps but women can't possibly be. As long as hordes of people unashamedly stuff themselves with unhealthy fast-food there will be tons of fast-food restaurants. Don't give me that cr*p there isn't healthier and cheaper alternatives. The fast food industry just exploits a market more than willing to eat their bad food. See my point? Where there is a huge market of buyers there will be a huge market of sellers. You're solely blaming the seller in a *free market* with better alternatives. You can't have the cake and eat it too. You can't have all the freedom without the responsibilities and obligations. And freedom without reason is no kind of freedom at all. It's called a... JUNGLE. Free to a blind fool or those who have seen too many animated Disney feature films.

Seriously, you're shocked? Have you ever read the bible and noticed who gets blamed for Adam's fall? Women were regarded as manipulators and seductresses all the way back.

Whatttt, my whole childhood I thought it was just a pretty monkey😭

I didn't know who Yoko was until that episode.

I love that episode because it’s got great comedic timing and yeah the Beatles references are fun to notice when you’re older and know their songs. I like the twist at the end where “Moko Jono”/Michelle tricked Mojo in the long run to be caught by the Powerpuff Girls and isn’t a punchline since that Mojo’s job 😂

It started when Adam blamed Eve.

Our societies refuse to hold men accountable for their own actions. Can you imagine a woman abusing her children and people blaming the father gor chosing the wrong mother? I cannot.

@@lovelyandsmartcommentator5130 lol

@@lovelyandsmartcommentator5130 Wasn't it "almighty God" which did that? The "unforgivable sin" was also eating from the Tree of Knowledge or something. So the "moral" of the story is that seeking knowledge is a sin and one should never question anything. Isn't religion great? Pardon my sarcasm.

The hate towards Yoko ono all this years is just so lazy and predictable, it's misogyny mixed with some level of racism. And I'm pretty sure it won't be this bad if she was conventionally very attractive looking woman. Yes sounds bizzare but if you actually read what Beatles fans say about her it's a lot to do with how they perceive her with negative bias. People know it in their hearts it's stupid to blame it all on her but they just want a scapegoat that's easy to blame. So they think those four men were forced to disband by a woman single handedly and John was a baby being bullied by Yoko ..

She was not gifted nor artist

​@@TheLowDee she is a good artist Awful musician. And yes she did have an affair with John Lennon. But John was also an abusive husband in his first marriage

People are nicer if you are like Didy, Drake or Micheal.

Were you friends with him? That would be the only way to back up your claim with facts.

@@lucienramirezTerrible Musician and Terrible Artist

Perfectly said. And so correct

So was John before his death.

Yeah, she sucks, but people don't hate her because of that.

yeah he basically chose Sean as his favorite. I think even Julian confirmed that at some point, but I think he and Yoko made amends some time ago and he’s been helping Sean with caring for her

@@PersonalJesus-ot7vz I do. I also despise John for this.

so you completely disregarded the entire video and proved the point. well done dumbass.

The Beatles are not the Beatles without Lennon. All four were essential. They’re not like The Rolling Stones and other bands who just keep going after some members leave or die.

But once a band looses an important member the band is not the same anymore. Telling this as a Bon Jovi fan after richie left the band doesnt feel like Bon Jovi anymore.

Harrison in particular wanted out from under the shadow of Lennon/McCartney. Harrison released 'all things must pass' and more than a few of those songs were tracks that got vetoed by Lennon/McCartney. FYI most critics and fans call that triple album the best post beatles output. Harrison even approached Art Garfunkle after Simon and Garfunkle broke up and said 'I know what it's like to be in the shadow of a guy named Paul'. If they wanted to pick things up again they could have at anytime. I'm not sure it was ever necessary. Creatively the beatles had run it's course, Lennon hated playing live, freeing McCartney to tour to his heart's content with setlist replete with Beatles tunes.

Yeah you do because that’s exactly what happened, you’re not the Beatles without John, as legendary as all the other members are, it was time to call it quits, although when he left her they were gonna get back together but well that never happened in the end. They always said they would never do it without John, I don’t think people who say this know how tight band members can be and the respect they have for each other through all their drama. John wanted to be with Yoko, he was in an abusive and manipulative relationship, she wanted control and to isolate him it’s clear to see when you have experienced it, im surprised the feminists don’t see that, they’re just mad someone thinks bad of a woman. John used to hit her too in anger he was open about that. But Yoko was awful to him, threatening divorce and things and trying desperately to get back to him when he agreed because she didn’t think he would agree

@@2727.L There's so many interviews showing how unhappy harrison was with both mccartney and lennon. There's a story of Dylan asking Harrison why he was so happy while they were recording the wilburys albums. He said he was just having fun recording with collaborators. Dylan confused, asked him was it not fun recording with the Beatles and without hesitation he said 'no'. Even if Ono is who you say she is, the beatles would have broken up soon because of harrison.

quoting Anthony Fantano, not a great start

@@AragazBraila He's not wrong. There's still guys who blame women for everything. Cough cough( Andrew Taint)cough cough

@@alienboy1322 Andrew tits doesn't believe what he says he just says controversial stuff to sell courses

You......broke up the Jonas Brothers??

Nah, she is not talented, her singing voice is awful

Its a known fact that JOKO was Lennon's Heroin supplier and Handler AND, of course, a Home-Wrecker. A woman of low moral character! Then again so was Lennon - he was LOW RENT! She exploited the Lennon name for her own financial gain. It wouldnt surprise me she was involved in his Deletion in 80'!

Imagine the hate Paul would get if he were honest about it.

@@azv343What do you mean honest?

Fun fact: Paul has admitted multiple times to not liking Yoko. That says a lot about her as a person.

@@georgelucas2571 Fun fact: you can still dislike someone as a person and *not* spread nasty rumors about them which are not true.

They mentioned by they broke up but never cleared up the drama specifically about yoko

Eve's failure was actually on Adam for misinterpreting God's original words. He even acknowledges this after the two of them are exiled.

@@CaptainRaccoonWhitly still hasn't stopped religious fanatical men putting all the blame on Eve. They think all women are carbon copies of Eve. Some go further by calling the Holy Virgin Mary a "sinner" by default cause of her gender. Any feminine or woman is by default a sinner (worse than man) to those fanatical hypocrites.

What's even sadder is that it was Lucifer who convinced Eve to commit a sin by eating an apple of wisdow, and that after Adam was offered an apple, too, he didn't only eat the fruit, but also shared it with Eve. Yet, believers still blame Eve for everything and use her as the justification of their misogyny.

😮😮 true

It is Jada fault. She also put her dirty out for the world to see. Let’s not victimize Jada. Both of her children are reflections of her and Will.

LMAO, No, that is another situation. That is an abusive and controling woman.

@@malek015Ai yeah, except you guys have no proof that she is controlling.

​@@malek015Ai This absolutely proves my point. It does not matter what kind of woman she is (and Yoko was also called controlling), it was Will who slapped Chris Rock. Hr is responsible for it, not her. This is so misogynistic to make the woman responsible for something stupid a man does.

I stand with you. That incessant yelling was awful.

She didn't try to ruin the song. She was high.

@@canesugar911 You're still responsible for what you do/n't do when high. Regardless of what substance/medication she took, her actions/decisions led to her interrupting and ruining part of the song. Drugs are not evil, what you do when on them can be.

This connects to a major point the video misses- a large reason people hate Ono is they feel her art is terrible. A lot of her "music" is literally just her screaming into a microphone. Some peoople might enjoy that, but it's extremely niche. The Plastic Ono Band created nothing that lasted. So there's a perception of a mediocre artist piggy backing off the Beatles' fame to get a level of status she never would have got near otherwise.

@@mankytoes I mean, all art is subjective. My issue has nothing to do with the style of her art, or whether or not I dislike it(tbh I loathe it), just that she was forcefully injecting(or at least trying to) *HER* art into a someone else's, where the two styles clashed. It's obvious from his flash of a facial expression that it didn't fit. Kudos to him for continuing on as though nothing happened. You wouldn't know it except by looking for it on his face.

No one forgets that. What they forget is that Ringo nearly beat his wife to death.

yeah she is a bitch! Kudos to the guy holding that sign up!

List of things that are all on Beatles docs, Wikipedia, interviews...

Ah yes because Lindsay Ellis was the first person to ever defend Yoko Ono.

@@Chelaxim the timing of this video is super sus though. I had the same thought as op.

Hmm

I'm not saying they blatantly stole the idea, but they brought up the same arguments and the timing is indeed, pretty sus. That said, even though it's on Nebula, I highly recommend Lindsay Ellis' video on this topic. It's really good. The episode of You're Wrong About on Yoko is also great.

It was both of them. Those two assholes were made for each other.

You know that Paul and John actually left the past behind in the late 70's and actually met a couple times?

@@chusty93 They did but in the late 70’s there were times when Paul called up the Dakota and if she answered she didn’t put John on the line to speak 🗣️ to Paul

No, he blames the manager.

Harrison wouldn't have stayed with the group forever even if Lennon/McCartney could have gotten along.

It’s true. Women are taught that it’s their responsibility to tame their abuser when in reality it’s the abuser’s fault. Women are blamed for getting raped by men because she was dressing too sexy or drinking too much when in reality it’s the rapist’s fault.

It's not projection It's fact lol and it proves you're not watching

Boom THIS !

I've always thought so, too . The fanbase is very male and white. As you'd expect, there was a lot of unnecessary vitriol flung yoko's way. I wonder how they (public and media )would have received a blonde English woman instead .

@@alexsobers1208 Majority male? Lol, like 80% of the Beatles fan base back in the day was teenage girls.

You contradicted yourself. Lol She didn't just show up in the band's practice, Jon brought her the practice, Jon told the band that her opinions matter and that is why she was comfortable expressing her opinions. Hypothetically, let's say that her presence and opinions are what broke the band up, that is says alot more about the state of the band members than her. The condition of the band had nothing to do with her. Let's be honest, you almost never hear of a man being blamed for things like this, so in what world are the women just as bad as men? This weak argument gets thrown around every time a man is being held accountable for something. You literally just proved the videos point. The member of the band is using his own mouth to tell you that Yoko had nothing to do with the issues they had and you, a random is still arguing with that. The woman has to be blamed somehow.

Yeah she actually came to Paul before she met John and he turned her away. Then she claimed that she didn’t know anything about the Beatles until she met John.

As a musician I endorse this message lol

They have a few narrators they rotate. I think this one has been there a long time actually.

Will obviously you won't listening for the past sixty years.

@@Chelaxim honestly, I couldn’t care less about the Beatles. I’ve only seen clips of how terrible Yoko was at music.

@@MrErik052005 another overreacted band!

Lindsay Ellis isn’t the first person to do a video in defense of Yoko Ono.

@@beethovensfidelio Nope, but she just happened to make one a few weeks ago that has all the points in this video and more. That is why I said "Weird timing".

No, Lennon broke a family. It was John who DECIDED to abandon Julian and Cynthia. It was John who DECIDED to start an affair with Yoko despite being married. It was John who DECIDED to bring Yoko to the rehearsals. It was John who DECIDED to leave the Beatles. All of those things were LENNON's DECISIONS and he is to be blamed for what happened.

The same argument can be applied for these cases. He wanted to leave, it was his decition, so no Yoko's fault. Yoko actually saved Cynthia for an unhappy marriage. There're people that just don't belong together.

@@fabricaHumanoide Agree

I will always love, enjoy and defend Yoko❤

​​@@chusty93yes,but she helped,she is not Innocent,she is also responsible, without Yoko wouldn't be cheating, because you can't cheat and sleep with someone else by yourself.

If you are that easily distracted at work because someone was twirling their hair, that is a “you” problem.

How are those excuses, he was a big man and made adult choices to choose himself and her over other commitments . And it sounds like the other members were drifting apart too at the time with or without Yoko

thank you❤john lennon is the most overrated person in the world!!!

Amazingly bad

Aww someone hates smart women I see

@@alexsobers1208Yoko Ono is the opposite of smart

@@alexsobers1208 I don't know, When I see one I will tell you

@@breadstick8456 the opposite of pretty too! God, Lennon must have been on some HARD drugs to leave his beautiful blonde wife who was a 10 to a minus zero Yoko!

She’s a horrible person AND a terrible artist

@@georgelucas2571agree. Can’t get what some people see in her “art”.

I think Yoko Ono is BETTER-LOOKING as a woman than John Lennon ever was as a guy!