I disagree with the dog comment if only because we bread/evolved dogs to be our companions. They love and trust us because we made them over thousands of years to do just that. That said, anything else is fair game in my opinion.
You can breed many animals that we normally eat for that purpose, so you saying dogs are different... Thats just your bias due to the values of the society you live in. Doesn't make it any less hypocritical. And its okay to not be morally consistent, buts important to acknowledge when we arent.
Meat eater: “So you would kill a human being but not an animal?” Vegan: “Yes” Meat eater: “Why” Vegan: “Because human beings are animals” DO YOU SEE WHATS WRONG WITH THIS LOGIC???
They say human and animals are the same and they also say that we all have to be vegan. So if you want us to be vegan then go and tell the animals to become vegan too. So we all can be equal
@@BTrillJ lmfaooo lord have mercy! It's like were living in some alt reality nightmare Truman show george orwell tv show lmfao. Wake me up when its over!
as a japanese residing in japan, it was my first time in my life hearing such a power word "fuck nugget" and made me laugh so hard i pissed. these words americans come up with is so good. this is why i can't stop learning english
@ Humans are dominating the planet. Can humans die and be eaten? Yes. But we've domesticated just about every animal in existence sooooooo if that's not being top of the food chain I don't know what the fuck is.
“Humans are equal to fish!” “But some fish eat other fish. Why do those fish get a free pass?” “Because we have morality!” “Ahhh, so we’re NOT equal to fish.”
@@vivigoddess4453 Yep, but its generally considered repugnant because of the many social, pyschological, and biological negatives it imposes on the canibal and others around them.
@@vivigoddess4453 Yes. But the fact that we, as humans, can acknowledge that cannibalism is wrong and other animals can't see the fault in it shows how we are different. Humans are burden with a sense of morality.
2:43 Yo Jubilee low key does people dirty. Some guy mentions "eating dogs". **Pans to Asian guy** LMAO Shit thanks for the likes everyone. Appreciate it.
The whole "if you'd raised an animal, would you be able to kill it?" Argument is ridiculous. I've raised chickens for eggs and when they've been severely ill, I've killed them and eaten them. I do agree that there's so much of a disconnect between a live animal and the plate it ends up on, that most would cringe at the thought of killing an animal and prepping it to eat.
"There is no food chain" Go outside and tell that to a pack of wolves, I'm sure they'd love to enlightened by your infinite wisdom. Maybe you can go eat some lentils together.
It depends on where you run into the wolves. I've ran into plenty of wolves where I come from. Even crossed a couple on the street while out for a walk. I'm from an isolated fishing village in coastal Canada. We have wolves and bears around all year round. Bears tend to be more scared of you than you are of them. Wolves are more confident but they'll still keep their distance so long as you treat them respectfully and they aren't starved. Now run into wolves in the suburbs and that's a different story. Animals are smart enough to know where our territory is, and they know it's bad news to get involved with us. So if they start coming around those types of places, they're likely starved. And all animals are unpredictable when hungry.
@@galenjones9529 The vegans in these videos obviously have no clue what it takes to produce much of their food, anyone who has a clue about how to grow a field of soy (like the one about 8 miles from my house) knows that without the herds of cattle the meat eaters use we couldn't grow the fields of soy. There's no way we could chemically produce enough fertilizer to do it because soy fields can completely destroy the quality of the land, only a few growing seasons and then you have to leave it fallow for years before you can use it again.
@@msihcs8171 Indeed, which is why I dislike those types of 'converter' vegans and vegetarians. They go around preaching how good their habits are without considering how unhealthy it is. To be vegan you need a lot of supplementation, some of those vitamins can only be found in meats, because they're produced by the animal. Imagine for some reason supplements couldn't be made. Be it a mass failure of technology or something more apocalyptic. How long do you think a vegan would live before dying to malnutrition or deficiencies. A year, maybe two. That aside, the ecological impact certain crops have on the environment alone is pretty problematic, as you had said. The amount of land it takes for fields, destroys hundreds to thousands of habitats, pushing the very animals they claim to be 'saving' to adapt or go extinct. Farm animals have a more efficient space to nutrient ratio, even if some of the methods might be questionable. Some vegans, from my understanding; choose that lifestyle because they can't stomach how the animals are treated. To be entirely honest I've hunted animals in far less humane ways than anything you'd find at a slaughterhouse. Just so that I could eat when I'm in the bush. Example: Stunning a pheasant by shooting it in the head with a rock fired from a slingshot. Then wringing it's neck. A few times, they'd come to and I had to stamp on their wing to pin them down. It's not a fun experience but when you're hungry, you'll pick the most efficient method. Even if the method is grizzly and uncomfortable.
It's notoriously hard to avoid being malnourished while vegan. Vegans will acknowledge this to each other, when they think other people aren't listening, and just constantly lovebomb, and try to circulate tips for making sure people get enough nutrients while staying vegan, because a somewhat common occurrence is for diehard vegans having to start eating animal products again, basically because their doctor tells them they don't really have a choice unless they want to start slowly dying, because being vegan not only makes a balanced diet hard, but it actually damaged their ability to absorb a lot of nutrients from the plant-based foods they've been eating. It's really complicated, and I'm not trying to write a novel, but, yeah, no, being a healthy vegan is harder than being a healthy omnivore.
Black guy in the beginning: "Idk if I could ever give up chicken..." Me: *LITERALLY grabbing a bag of chic fila off my uber delivery driver*. ...Same bro. saaaammmeeee
A tiger switched to a vegan diet,and did fine. When it was hungry, it hunted up another vegan. Of course the vegans helped by always telling the tiger they were vegans.
The blonde chick was already looking judgmental at the other side as soon as she sat down lol. She wasn't there to learn anything, like she already mentally dismissed everything the other side was gonna say before they even opened their mouths. Typical alt leftie.
@Reese B Also on a physical level. Look at the situation right now. The whole world economy is going to shts because we need to protect the sick, obese and old people. While it should be just a survival of the fittest situation.
You guys all got it wrong. When a vegan "compares" other animals to a human, he is making an analogy, not saying they are the same but possibly implying that these animals have fondamental similarities to humans that should grant them the right to life and not to have their throat slit just for pleasure. Anything that has a will to live and which can also experience subjectivity shouldn't be exploited without necessity.
I’ve worked in the grocery business for 15+ years. Most of it spent working in the produce department. Vegan products are very expensive and most of your chain grocery stores don’t carry a lot of the products because they’re expensive and they don’t settle. People don’t realize that if you decide to go vegan there are a couple things you need to realize. Vegan food is costly. So if you’re going to start eating vegan save your money because it is expensive. Secondly unless you’re going to go to a grocery store that specializes in organic products and vegan products the selection is going to be pretty limited.
“These big companies don’t care about you.” So? We don’t care about them either. It’s just a business transaction for most of us. Not everything needs to be an emotional investment.
Amen. I don’t WANT big corporations/companies caring about me. If they do, something’s wrong and I’m in danger lol I want to make a transaction and move on. Or not make a transaction and move on. Good comment
I could kind of see his point. Food chains vary from ecosystem to ecosystem. Humans aren’t at the top of the food chain in the ocean. Those would be animals like sharks. It isn’t until we’ve taken over all the ecosystems that we are on top of every food chain.
@@missylks1239 I would have to respectfully disagree. Humans are soooooo atop the food chain that we can capture damn near any animal and place them in zoos and aquariums for our entertainment. And if we really wanted to and had absolutely no remorse for life on this planet, we can make extinct ANY creature on this planet and utterly destroy any habitat. Now what other species can boast that?
@@asdfdg11 its ridiculous to say that we aren't on top of all ecosystems 😂 of course we are lol if ANY sealife uses all their abilities and we use ours, gloves off. Meaning we use our tools (boats, explosives, weapons, etc) there's no way in hell that any creature would beat us. Thus why, as I stated before, we have great whites, whales, etc. In aquariums for our pleasure lol The most dangerous creature on this planet by a large margin is the human. We can destroy whole cities, either by explosives or biological means. The human brain is the greatest weapon of ANY creature on this planet.
you simply took a step backwards then. you talk about nutrition and health, then you talk about eating a nutritionally inadequate and unhealthy food. seems stupid to me.
@@sirdook2761 well the best and most up to date science on the entire planet goes directly against your statement and favors my statement. what is your evidence that chicken is the opposite of what i described?
"My mother died at 49 years old from eating poisnious processed buckets of ice cream garbage so I decided to not eat meat to live longer." Genius logic.
@@alex.profi27 I don’t remember the point I was making, but I agree wholeheartedly. Eating ice cream doesn’t kill you. Eating a shit diet for decades is probably what killed her. It’s odd that the daughter can’t make the connection.
@@alex.profi27 You need to take a basic class in nutrition before saying stuff. Pretty much 90% of welfare diseases is the body going bonkers from consuming too much sugar.
The food chain was a natural occurrence. Also: Meat isn't the problem. Our over consumption of it is. Also Also: How do you "raise" an animal "in the wild"? Either it's domesticated or it's wild.
Most people say over consumption of meat is the problem due to environment purposes. Actually this is incorrect. Agriculture alone makes up roughly 10-15% of our global CO2 emissions. Reducing it to 0% will not solve our problems. Our main problem is our energy production. It makes up 72% of our global emissions. Simply switching to cleaner energies will solve the problem entirely. Food is never the problem and we don't have food shortages in the world. Food is just being mismanaged.
@@brolytard4life441 If you can choose to not support an industry that's clearing jungle and cutting animals throats then it's your moral responsibility to do that to the best you can.
@@hughfergusson9544 Honestly one thing I hate is when someone imposes their morals on me. I'm not in your church and I don't believe in your book, so to speak. I see nothing moral wrong with killing animals for food and clothing. Evolutionarily this has given us humans an advantage and we human have the genetic tools process this food. Everybody has different morals because everybody is born in different circumstances.
@@hughfergusson9544 ohh no the poor little animal ohh no lwts just build more farm land destroy more habitats and indirectly kill more of them through starvation in a. cause i domt want to have blood on my hands
@@hughfergusson9544 You eating South American beef? Bro, I eat beef from Florida mainly, and I don't eat beef from another country. Who in the US is clearing jungle for their cows? Cutting their throats? How tf you want them to kill them, wait for them to die of old age?
@Hannah Bradner but most of the individual who can afford the best healthcare don't actually need the best healthcare. Why? because they are generally more healthier (I said generally, not all of them) because they can afford higher quality food and not cheap processed food. They can afford better lifestyle, etc etc... you get what i mean. Socialism also mean better educated society, which improve the quality of living as a whole in the country. But I think extreme of any system have their own bad affect, socialism or capitalism. Extreme Socialism mean personal achievement would be limited and individual progress get halted. Extreme Capitalism mean manipulation and unethical exploitation of people for the sake of profit would be the most preferred and effective practice to succeed allowing in degradation of morals. So we should take the middle ground and see where we need socialism, and where we need capitalism. because it is not all or nothing type of thing. we create the system. we make the rules. we can get the best of both world where everyone's happy. Shit, I sound like a hippie
the problem is capitalism? well i was born in the soviet union and remember getting up at 5am to go stand in a two hour line to get bread and guess what - sometimes they ran out of that shit and there wasnt another store to go to and get it. i remember how i got bananas for my birthday. i was ecstatic because ive never tried them before...and we were considered relatively well off.
@@millybrumwell8998 ok. So what other system? Socialism? The free market system isn’t perfect, however, it is a great deal better than both socialism and communism.
@@millybrumwell8998 No system is perfect, but only an idiot would totally, summarily disregard the best working system we have, Capitalism, in favor of returning to repeatedly failing systems like communism. That's sheer stupidity. Capitalism works. It just does. Some people don't like it simply because they feel they're entitled to more and the Free Market keeps their ego in check. At the end of the day, you get access to resources relative to the amount of value you create for the market and the consumers operating within it.
@@StratumPress well said. most of the lefties never experienced what a fully socialist/communist regime looks like. its not all sunshine and rainbows. want to own a car? get in line, its only 10 years. want to open a business? sorry, all businesses belong to the party. not to mention the hit it has on morale - whats the point of working harder or trying your hand in a difficult field if you get paid the same as your neighbor who sweeps the floor? oh and if you dislike the corruption in capitalism, you have no idea what communism has in store for you. work camps in siberia sound good? great cause you can be sent there for any reason they come up with even if you literally didnt do anything wrong but someone from the party dislikes you. i left when i was young but my parents were in their thirties. ever wonder why people would move thousands of miles away to a country that speaks a different language?
Because they get more views. More views equals more money. It pays in government green to have viewers even if those viewers come to cringe and bash because of advertisement revenue. We would rather watch the crazies being crazy than a half normal conversation. The sick part is that they know they need crazy content to compete for views and keep their jobs, all the while probably telling the vegans in the videos that they "are unique" and "we want to feature your personality" and if it we're me spinning that bullshit for money I'd tell tell them "your views on the subject are enlightening and need to be spread to more ears." ...Money
I love chicken and watermelon. It is not my fault they taste good! 😂😂 I've tried to eat vegetarian before (for about 6 months), but I feel much better eating a variety of foods, including meat, fish, eggs, and plant based options too. You do you. I also believe the human being is superior to other animals. I grew up in a place where eating rabbit is normal. I am privileged to be able to choose not to eat rabbit, because I'm not comfortable to do so. But I am not going to shame who eats it.
I have a sister who quite literally *couldn't* eat meat for a long time, she was born without certain acids to break down the proteins in meat (she would violently throw up any time she digested red meat specifically). Over time her body naturally started producing said acids, and she tried meat for the first time in over a decade and a half a few years ago. She's still a big fan of vegetables in general, likely from having them be her almost sole diet for more than half her life, but she said eating meat just felt natural, and now she get's a steak or fried chicken any time she has the option to.
The blonde girl is coming from such a place of privilege. "I don't have to worry about anything in my life, so that's why I have time and money to spend on my extreme life style" Why did they choose this lunatic to represent vegans. There are plenty of normal vegans, and I'm saying that as a meat eater.
thank you! i'm apart of that 'hippie-ish' community and i really appreciate people like you who are aware that these are just extremists/purists. And boy do they not do well in representing our community. most people in our community do research and actually have personal reasons (i.e. i do not like to eat much meat because i don't like the taste, i support ethical companies because i know what it is like to work for a very unethical company, etc.) why they stand for such. bandwagons and purists are the ones that destroy the image.
appreciate the recognition on a side note, unfortunately most normal people of any lifestyle tend to just lay low and live life, so you probably won't see many on these types of things lol.
Vegans: Absolutely won't step forward when asked if they'd kill an animal Everybody: Agrees humans are also animals Vegans: Yeah, I'd kill a human Uhhhhhhhhhhhh
The vegans in the video are crazy. They were chosen specifically to be made fun of. Everyone has the right to voice their opinion. Even the crazy people
@Uden One-Eye dunno my dude, Im pretty sure racoons would destroy everything around them too if we had 7 billion of them running around the globe lel. This is not a human unique trait, we're just efficient at it
"it's not like there's lions walking around in downtown LA." He almost made a point... then I saw photos of a lion walking down the street in Minneapolis today....
The only way humans are like fish,is being able to get them on a hook by knowing the bait they want. Kind of like a corporation selling you the T-shirt you wear to protest corporations. The mark feels they made a statement and the corporation makes a profit letting you make a statement.
@@innerpowerup welcome to the whole diversity, inclusion etc etc racket. That's what happens when you use words to manipulate people for your own ends. Even your enemies figure it out, then flip and run the script. not a corporation one that doesn't clammer about diversity, inclusion, safety etc etc.
"I would kill an animal" and only one guy stepped forward, yeah right. People who have gone just two weeks without food have turned to cannibalism, so... Not saying you SHOULD kill animals willy-nilly but you'd be surprised how easily hunger comes between morals, pretty sure anybody'd kill an animal if they were hungry enough.
"FoodChain is a construct of labels" Someone better get the memo out to the antelope, gazelles, wildebeat, etc. pronto. Because they've been doing it wrong a very very long time.
Food chain as I understood it goes like this, maggots eat dead flesh, frog eats fly, bird eats frog, cat eats bird, cat dies, maggots eat dead cat. Or such a manner and to be considered as top of the food chain is to be the top predator in your food chain. Humans are the top predators and are the top of all food chains because nothing naturally hunts us or eat us on a regular.
It might be a "construct of labels," but it's a "construct of labels" that adequately describes reality, which makes it real. Newtonian mechanics are just a series of abstractions, as well, but once again, it adequately describes reality, which makes it real. No one is out here arguing that momentum doesn't exist, just because humans picked a natural phenomenon and described it.
Majority of the people don’t hunt the meat themselves, you go to a supermarket and buy what some slaughter worker has killed and wrapped in plastic and you go to the supermarket and buy it, that is not the food chain. The food chain is a natural order that exists in nature and is a part of the ecosystem. Factory farming, artificial inseminating and breeding animals by the billions just so we can kill them and eat their flesh is not natural and is not part of the natural order and certainly isn’t the food chain. These animals we eat wouldn’t exist because they have been genetically modified and selectively bred so by that reason alone isn’t part of the food chain, these animals are completely unnatural. The concept of the food chain is so flawed when it comes to the way we eat animals because people aren’t doing it in a way that would symbolize natural order or something that would actually be in the food chain.
Okay so if I heard correctly this girl said when her mother died she was eating buckets of ice cream. I don't think meat killed her it was probably the unchecked diabetes
Well no it was clearly the dairy in the icecream obviously... not the heaps of sugars and the fact that she probably didn't have any space left in her tummy for vegetables anymore.
Everybody knows: it's not about what you eat, it's about what you DON'T eat!!! And it's especially bad when you eat A LOT of what you don't eat... when you do eat it... but you definetely shouldn't... so you DON'T!!!
Charlye'Charleston umm don’t the heaps of sugar make your blood pressure go up? It can be bad for people with diabetes. In this case he said “unchecked diabetes” which means she probably didn’t know she had diabetes. Hence why she ate so much ice cream before.
6:15 Oh please LOL this fake outrage . They're just avoiding answering. Acting like vegans don't ask the silliest most extreme questions to get people to trip up and contradict themselves. "Oh you eat fish? Why don't you eat your neighbor?" "If there was a non-human alien with the intelligence of a human, would you eat it?" "Would you drag your dog underwater with a hook through his mouth for fun?" Asking if you kill an animal to save a human is completely mild compared to the stuff they dream up.
totally agree! and like. in all of their hypotheticals they draw such a false equivalency of animals to humans is so strong with them. vegans totally ignore that we are literally biologically inclined to protect other humans first. gun to their head, they would kill a fish and not a person bc were all programmed to be invested in the survival of our species. like no, humans arent more important than fish cosmically speaking, but they are to us and thats a double standard and thats *fine.* like as long as noones disrupting ecosystems and wiping our species it really truly is just they way nature works
I agree bruh its stupid to say extremes arent valid. Of course they are because they determine your answer. Meaning, YES everyone would kill an animal in a certain scenario. If you don't want a fucking crazy example, USE MORE FUCKING SPECIFICS TO THE QUESTION. Don't blame the answers, blame the question.
"Have you ever planted a crop? You kill everything above and below the ground. Every worm, every frog, every bird, you kill them all. The real question is how cute does an animal have to be before you care whether or not it dies to feed you?" Not an exact quote but probably the best line I have ever heard for this argument. Thanks to the writers of 'Yellowstone'.
That's a movie.. not science. Breeding (raping) animals into existence just to kill them and eat their flesh at 1/4 of their natural lifespan is the circle of death.. not life.
Giorgio Tsoukalos you sound like you have to beg for sex and validation. Understand this, we’re still animals and have to sustain ourselves by taking another life. Be it plant life or animal life. It’s built into our genetics. “The Circle of Life” explains how if you take life, you must also preserve life in order to sustain yourself. No different than a farmer raising live stock and plants to sooner or later harvest them. Some of yaw talk with your brains closed, it shows.
Its not only not more expensive to eat a plantbased dieet, it can be cheaper then eating meat. I do agree peoples stupidity knows no bounds, you displayed this verry well.
@@Kowsky_ so i mostly eat simmilar tobefore i went plant based whole foods. I eat the same vegetables more fruit and nuts a bit more then i used to. Meat is not inexpensive( and highly subsidised, for every dollar of veal there’s 80 cents that’s payed by taxes) and lentils, beans etc. Are cheaper then meat. Now i do live in the Netherlands, lot of plantbased products in the Aldi are same price or cheaper then the meat version. And since the taste of meat is mostly spices and herbs my father thinks he stil gets meat here. Biggest diference is my sex live improved, less omad after a work out, gained muscle faster, bigger and harder erection, condition improved. And my 4 year old preformed better on memory tests then the 6 year olds at Ger school, she’s the tallest in her class. We’re not meant to eat meat, its a 257 billion industry denying it’s not the capatilstic system is why there’s so much bad information about nutrition is just dumb, don’t blame people for being stupid but i do think its a bit sad. Yet there also still people voting right wing, believe there is a God and thinking capatilism is the best system might be the least harmfull of those believes. Think you should realise the biggest diference between us and other apes and why we evolved the way we did was the willingness to work together, teach each other and share food shelter and knowledge, capatilism isn’t sustainable in the long run. Only thing capatilsm wants is increase profits and lower cost of production, most expensive part of production is human labor, since slavery isn’t permitted company’s move to country’s where there’s cheap labor. Yet once these people use there income to get there children educated, the educated organize, wages increase, company moves to the next country with cheap labor. Its a cycle, now robots are cheaper then human labor so in the long run there’s a point that we Will have less jobs then people for those jobs. That’s the point capatilsm implodes. Went on a rant and of topic, might also be hard to follow my mind works chaoticly. Sometimes that’s fun just a bit hard unraveling all the thoughts in acoherent story.
8:20 "If you eat animals, you have no basis to say which animal deserves to live and which doesn't." -Preach Someone just forgot that humans are animals ... unless they would kill a human to save a dog ...
@Mrs.NopeWorthy that's a given. There's a movement saying veganism is a women's issue. That you can't call yourself a vegan and be a feminist bullshit.
Tell the vegan woke girl that feminism is a product of C-A-P-I-T-A-Lism because it gets women out of the household to serve an employer or other women above them (female managers tend to be even more fierce towards women in my anecdotal experience), because nothing is more capitalist than doubling the workforce, and she'll probably blow a fuse. Remember that Feminism used to support eugenics fiercely and it took WW2 to get them to bottle it up, and eugenics is one of the ways to improve productivity which also helps Capitalism, while abortion is a form of eugenics and eugenics might also be a method to create vegans. She'll be bowing fuses in every direction by the end of the levels of discussion we could have breaking her mental scripts.
@@milkshakebarrage9581 Feminism's is rooted in Marxism. It's only thanks to the quality of life provided by capitalism that they can bitch and moan this much.
She was speaking with so much confidence, summing up something so massively complicated with "capitalism bad." That level of ignorance with beliefs is naive and embarrassing. Only hypocrisy can stem from a person like that.
It's sad how those "vegans" make all of the adequate vegans and vegetarians look dumb and entitled. I am vegetarian, and don't care what other people do, and I would never preach no one. Gush it's stupid.
They don't care, their arguement is something along the lines of the christian arguement, even though they might agree that we too are animals, they still think humans are above animals in that we can't compare ourselves to them in the ability to contemplate killing another.. living thing.. or whatever, even though we are animals and even if they too think that, we still can't compare ourselves to other animals, why? tbh i don't know why, i have a sneaking suspicion it's because none of what they say makes logical sense, but i can commend them on being consistent atleast.
I wouldn't say they don't know. They usually just say, those animals kill for necessity to survive. When humans don't have to kill animals to survive so it's not done for necessity. It's done for taste. Also heard, animals also kill their young and rape. Following an animal and picking only what your see as an acceptable example to follow for what's okay 'well a lion does it so I can.' Wouldn't apply as they do other actions you do not condone. Necessity and taste are two separate things. Following decisions made by a lion does not justify killing (its not necessary for survival). Nor is rape or killing the rivals children necessary for survival. It's necessary for the lions' survival. Not a human's.
When he said chicken I pointed at the screen and said "Yes! You tell those vegans! I will never give up chicken!" And then I felt white guilt, because if it was me who said it, they probably wouldn't have put it in the video.
I worked with a manager who was vegan and proud. Which is totally fine, not my place to judge something that has no bearing on my life. It's just that she championed how healthy she was compared to meat eaters yet smoked cigarettes and drank her vodka like the world was ending.
Being a vegan is a privilege lifestyle, but there's other ways to be vegan: eat noodles, drink water, breathe air... That's a meal plan for broke people BABY 😎
@@jose_s_bam7938 you can make veggie noodles from the following: 1. Zucchini 2. Parsnip 3. Sweet Potatoes 4. Turnips 5. Carrots 6. Squash 7. Broccoli Stems
Being vegan in my country is quite expensive. The vegan diets preached usually consists of these imported vegetables not readily available in my country. Some people have more food sensitivities to plants as well. Like there are people allergic to nuts, soy and wheat. I think people should be able to live their own lifestyle as long as it is not hurting anybody.
“There is no food chain, humans are equal to fish” Incorrect, the whole point to the food chain is that every species has something to keep its population in check. We don’t, hence why we’re at the top of the food chain and why we have a overpopulation problem. Just what I think should’ve been said If I got anything wrong feel free to comment :)
I agree are higher technology takes us to the top of the food chain a human with the right gun can bring down the toughest animals but take that gun away and give them a spear or knife and we are very much apart of the food chain and low down on it as well there's plenty of badass animals that can make our weak asses a meal including big ass fish with teeth lol but at the end of the day food is food if we wernt supposed to eat meat we wouldn't be able to eat it carnivore herbivore and omnivore carnivores eat meat only herbivores eat greens only and omnivores eat both and can digest both nature supercedes personal choice take a vegan and put them in a situation where it's starvation or a steak and guess what its tbone time and if If a guy that eats alot of meat is suddenly in a survival situation and is unable to catch and kill food guess what its time to find some wild edibles and make a salad that's the beauty of evolution and the human body at the end of the day the real truth is that bo matter what you want to eat meat or veggies the animals we source as food need to be treated better and not tortured before thier slaughtered or while thier slaughtered let's start there and meet in the middle we can be more humane then were being and I really think that's alot of the vegan issues
@ There is tho... Those ants want part of the dead lion but they are not the ones that will kill it, so they are very low in the hierarchy. Maybe the keywords here are "in general". An owl will hunt for a mouse but it damn sure won"t try get a fkin hawk. So the mouse is lowest of the 3, then the owl then the hawk cause that bitch will tear an owl apart.
Many of these animals you just listed are not some big fan of human flesh. The reason why there are cases where they have killed humans. it's not because they like to eat humans. Most often it is because they thought you were another animal or because they see you as a threat, so they are just trying to defend themselves. However, usually they will just kill you and then leave. they are found to be very few cases when humans have been chased and killed for food but that is rare. it is usually a result of the predator being injured and unable to hunt their usual prey so they choose humans because we are very simple prey without a weapon. It may also be because there is too little food available.
The "there is no food chain" argument is based on the fact that we've removed ourselves from the need to hunt or forage by "breeding" our own "prey",we forcefully inseminate animals (we would call it rape if it was done to humans) so we can consume their secretions,babies and flesh, making us sick in the process. We oppress billions of living beings for our taste pleasure destroying the planet at the same time and yet we still want to think we are apex predators when we're actually playing a game we all know is rigged. For us humans our food chain is called a supply chain.
@@philautie.2609 Capitalism gives people options to choose their diets. If a government controls what you eat you lack that choice. The government is going to do what is most cost effective. It’s not cost effective to make everything organic and vegan because governments don’t have the crop land to yield that much.
@@aresdesiderata8959 ive tried a few vegan meals in my life and im telling you ive only ever had one great experience. If there was more cheaper vegan options that tasted better than meat out there, i wouldnt mind choosing that plant patty
@@SauceMcgee You don't like stir fry? Chili? Salad? How bout soup, or stew? What about Indian food? What do you eat all day, steak only? Do you eat it plain, or do you season it really well, using all of those vegan seasonings and flavours to make it taste good?
The whole "it's a construct" thing is probably in my list of most hated arguments. Like sure, maybe for stuff relating to human society like government or law or safety codes you could use that as leverage to change shit up. But for some other things, they exist regardless of us and/or our observation. The only thing people constructed was a name. Because thats how language works.
Exactly. Once everything becomes just one thing, it ceases to mean anything or even exist as existence requires contrast. The only reason you can even see an object is because you simultaneously see its background. What feels hot is because you know what cold is. So if everything is a construct, then constructs don’t exist because you don’t have non-constructs to compare them with.
Its called anthropomorphism, science has a name for what these idiots are doing. Haha and when you tell them they have no idea what you mean. Its almost like a strategy.
@@deanmccrorie3461 Idk, I'm a little confused by your statement, idk if i agree or disagree, please clarify. Imo, everything including science and math is technically a construct. It's all to perceive our understanding of reality. There were no theories about anything before humans came along. We created theories to understand reality. Like the food chain in the video, like gravity, and like social hierarchy, it always existed, but it wasn't till humans came along and created these theories/ideas to understand. what do you think?
CybZer0 not everything we see is a construct science is not so much a construct it’s more of an explanation to what we see and how to make it understandable
@@viesturs6321 He's talking about Covid pandemic used to justify government mandated shut-down of economy which forces people into bailout indebtedness, which is literally the government buying up their businesses with printed money, which is just the socialist idea of seizing private property into public ownership. End case is that most businesses will be government-owned.
@Jaskaran Singh What is corporatism? I can justify the bailouts like this: US businesses and government have a symbiotic relationship. Business cannot survive without government, government cannot survive without business. Therefore, it is in the best interests of both that government bailout business during a temporary disruption like a pandemic. But if the government bailed out all the people directly instead and allowed US businesses to fail this would be unsustainable because without businesses the US government does not have the money to indefinitely support the people; they all need businesses to survive. Millions losing healthcare, jobs and the coming evictions are all individual problems to be solved individually with either the existing safety net or maybe some new limited measures. Not everyone lost healthcare, or jobs, or houses, so not everyone needs a bailout. If the government gave even the full 6 trillion in bailouts to all people directly, tons of those are wealthy retirees who need none of it anyway, tons of those are wealthy successful employees and business owners, only a fraction are people who lost jobs or houses and each of those would only get around $20,000 which would barely cover rent for a year. By giving to corporations they intend for the money to be spent more wisely in maintaining a thriving economy that is competitive internationally rather than just softening the impact of losing that economy for a year or so.
They guy is just talking about the different levels we see each animal at. If everything is equal why are we allowed to own dogs which is basically slavery or why am I not allowed to kill a person with out the moral out rage of killing a fish. I think the edit is just weird
He was trying to make an analogy of "why is eating humans any different than eating a fish" because we're all still animals by definition. But it's just a weird analogy and his delivery was odd.
That look in Aba's eyes when he said he would absolutely kill a human being that was trying to hurt another human being.....was intense. Shit got dark for a second. Lol.
Here in South Africa, if you live in rural areas, you’ll probably eat a cow or chicken that you raised personally & probably even gave a name if you’re into that sentimental stuff. Heck, you might even be the person who kills the animal 😂 I personally can’t relate because I grew up in the city for my entire life 💔😂
Yeah I'm South African and I've slaughtered many chickens and helped off a cow or two, it's ingrained in our culture... we kill cows and goats to celebrate in social celebrations such as weddings and funerals and not only that but when we talk to our ancestors it's not uncommon to do it also
Why don’t any of them open vegan stores in poor areas? You could sell dirt to poor people and tell them it’s vegan and good for them. They’ll be so happy.
The question wasn't "is it too expensive to be vegan?" The question was "is it too expensive to eat healthy?" Unless she's trying to equivocate veganism to healthy, in which case she's wrong like 2+2=7
I don't understand the argument that being vegan is healthier. Being vegan is literally just being able to eat what normal people eat, but less. The best vegan diet will always be worse than the best diet, because the vegan diet has less choices and restricts good sources of nutrients. It is just a matter of how good the diet is planned. Vegan diets can be good, but it has nothing to do with it being vegan
@@kleptomania2631 well vegan diets if not supplemented correctly can be very detrimental to your health and from I understand a good population of vegans don't properly use supplements
That’s true a lot of vegan diets aren’t healthy or at least aren’t balanced also companies are catching on to the vegan trend making vegan potato chips vegan candy. I think labeling something vegan doesn’t mean it’s healthy but makes people assume it’s alternative healthy snack.
Yup....they're quick to say shit like "Oh, you can't eat this tofu shit that tastes like chicken if you add the flavoring that it comes with", but conveniently forget to mention the high sodium content of that flavoring. SMH.
yoop, but problem is most of them does not get it.. that when they switch to vegan, start looking on nutrient & ingredient info, cut out most if not all processed food, no wonder why they feel better.. when you stop poisoning yourself on a daily basis you'd feel better.. but they attribute it to veganism, not conscious food choices..
@@rhez_ True, especially for American vegans who eat "organic food" that's grown with lots of chemicals... As a Nigerian, if I eat chicken from my pen, with Vegetables from my garden, grown with my chicken poo as manure, you are in no place to tell me to go vegan😂😂🤭
“Would you kill an animal?” I guarantee every single one of those people have swatted a fly in their house or killed an ant that entered their house. Any vegan that is a vegan strictly to “save the animals” better have tons of flies and ants in their kitchen.
Would I kill an animal? Yes! It’s kinda hard to make a burger with a live cow On that same note, if there’s a rabid dog attacking a child, would you or would you not kill it to save the kid? You would! Honestly the amount of stupid crap that was said in this, gahhhhhhh
Choosing to not use animal products is completely different than say making a 15 minute walk take an hour because you're obsessed about not stepping on a single ant.. I don't kill flies but I understand why someone would.. They are a nuisance and they carry lots of germs. Is the reason you pay for animals to be killed for those two reasons I just mentioned? Do you think vegans have to be perfect? So perfect that we haven't ever killed an insect? Lol
If I have gloves on I can do it... went fishing the other day and they’re fucking slimy to touch and they flop so it surprises me and I scream and jump and run away lol it’s fun to fish though just gotta have those gloves lol
@Mr. Green This^ but those are insect parasites not human so they wouldn't even know where to go but eating bugs is something we've always done before farming don't hate until you try it.
Help yourself and adapt the question to your useless answer; Would you kill an animal for your own food if someone was to prepare the meal for you? Or even simpler would you kill the animal if you knew how to prepare the meat?
@@JDBob3 Well there are a lot of "ifs" there. That just proves that the question is not that simple to answer as presented in this video. You can't honestly talk about something you have zero experience with. It depend so much on the context, and I'm not saying that just to avoid answering. But if we don't take any extreme, then the most commons situations where you have to kill animals are when you work in a slaughterhouse, or when you are hunting. In both cases, well then yeah I would kill an animal as a part of my job, or for the thrill of the hunt, or for getting rid of an invasive species. I don't think I would take any pleasure in doing so tho, especially since I'm an urban boy who's not used to the smell and the screams. Do this answer satisfy you ?
One of the earliest episodes of Croc Hunter, he literally captured and killed a wild pig that he used as bait to capture a crocodile. He knows about the importance of a top predator like the crocodile in australian habitats as well as the problems caused by wild pigs, which are feral animals, in australia.
Energy is ancient knowledge, written about in the pyramid texts. For example when you get good or bad feelings about situations you are reading energies surrounding the thing, its not a negative thing its human to do so
Listening to this girl with braids when she was speaking about "it is not so expensive to eat vegan" cost me a breakdown. Literally. I have so much to say to her that it burns inside
@@Oogway-go6np I eat vegetables daily, and I can fucking tell you that it's time consuming, and I can't even eat vegetables without having to buy a variety of them if I were to be in a strict diet.
@@Oogway-go6np What's worse is "but if you prepare all the food right, buy the right things, that are cheap, they can even last in the fridge longer than a steak", is that this sort of thing requires me then to prepare all the meals I eat. To me, that is blastedly inconvenient, given my daily schedule. And the convenient methods are insanely more expensive than conventional. Case closes.
Exactly! Like you think the government is opening these stores up? Nah, locals see what people are buying and open the liquor store because that's what people want. Just try opening a vegan/ health food store in one of these areas and watch how fast it'd go out of business.
There's liquor stores at every corner in high income places. Vegan stores are only in weird sides of town where there's a alot hipsters and annoying dumb haircut glasses chick's.
I went vegan for awhile without making up these weird excuses that these people did. My reason was I heard it makes you feel better so I spent a year and a half testing it out. After awhile I came to the conclusion it made me feel energized but made me feel weaker and frail. Its more important to know what your body likes and how it responds to food because everyone is different but if your argument is about cruelty to animals then thats a different arguement all together.
@@ErgoProxy12345 We acknowledged that example was extreme. If you were paying attention the problem was that you complain about extreme examples and then proceed to give an extreme example. It is about hypocrisy. And the example wasn't dumb. If you were getting attacked by a lion you would kill it. You also seem to not understand that setting was not established. He wasn't talking about lions in LA but a hypothetical encounter with a lion.
@@BraceInc Raising a wild animal in a forest, which idk about you but I don't think there is any forest in LA to live and raise in. That is the problem. You get on someone for making an example that wouldn't be possible but then turn around and do the same thing. By their own logic they made an extreme example.
I like how she hates capitalism so much, but her fashion sense is a niche that could only be brought up from and curtailed to by a capitalistic society. Everyone needs shoes and clothing for the winter, but nothing is practical about dying your hair, wearing a beanie in the summer, and having ripped jeans.
@Ryan Williams It's like saying "yeah! Why should we care about babies? Let's see how a toddler cares about us when we are hungry. The toddler doesn't now better. We do, because we're smart (most of us). You now can repeat the dogmatic phrase "animals aren't humans" but it's about a "superior" living beeing caring about a "inferior" one.
non humans animals arent equal to us, we have dominion and power over them but with great power comes great responsibility. what would yo do with having power over innocent lives, would you protect them or kill them when you can jut buy a B12 supplement and leave them alone? otherwise let's start eating our neighbours dogs.
@@VeganofSuburbia go one-on-one with a fully grown wolf and let's see who's on top of the food chain edit: I mean no weapons just what you mama gave you
@@ennuiii OR! We could google what common sense is. Capitalism doesn't and DIDN'T dictate whether human beings ate meat or plant. Before capitalism or socialism or communism existed, people had need to eat in order to live; and meat has been a source of food before buying and selling was even a thing.
