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@joshuabarley8532
@joshuabarley8532 10 месяцев назад
Im glad you brought up the "were working on 3 expansions". Weve always known this, they know where they are going with the story well in advance and always have. Only new information is we now have is the names in advanced.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Pretty much ya
@jasonbrown1201
@jasonbrown1201 10 месяцев назад
As a person that right now has 17 level 70's, I can share a few things about why I like what they are doing. I have only a couple I care about power, that is the one I run mythic+ with and the other I raid with. I don't have others to funnel power. Nine of them are my profession alts, they just do professions and gathering. I am still tirelessly grinding rep for all these toons, because they have recipes locked behind the renowns that all of have to be unlock. The buff to rep helps, but it has been horrible the get all nine through Dragonscale, Tuskaar, ect.... and then every main patch restarting the process over again with niffen and now the new one starting Tuesday. The other alts are for the process of transmog. I have cloth, leather, mail and plate, that do all the content that has sets, in example: Time Rifts, Dreamsurges, Forbidden Reach and many others. With all this content I have to repeat over and over, such as rep, I don't get the opportunity to play my main that often, maybe once a week for a couple hours, my progession has come to a grinding halt with the pace of content in DF. My main Priest (mythic+) is currently 420ilvl with a 1000 Raider IO, lowest it has ever been in any expansion. I know I don't have to do all these things, but I prefer transmog and profession over other end game content, but I hate that it comes at the sacrife of my mythic+ and raids. With these rep changes and other things, I feel like I won't have to make those sacrifices in the future. But then with the addition of Delves, they maybe off the table anyways because that sounds like the best thing ever introduced to the game. Something I can do solo (without all the problematic enviroment), but still have progession. BTW, yes you can repeat the Heritage quest. I have done the Blood Elf, Tauren, Forsaken and Orc several times each.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Thanks for confirming the heritage armor stuff. I want to go give that another go.
@jasonbrown1201
@jasonbrown1201 10 месяцев назад
Also, the account bank is a Godsend. I have had to use a personal guild to manage my resources for my alts. Which means I can't craft out of the bank and it has detered me from ever joining a guild because they have to be part of my guild to get access.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
@@jasonbrown1201 Ya that's my favorite part for sure. Such a nice change there.
@voodoo1069
@voodoo1069 10 месяцев назад
I'm really excited for the warband stuff personally. I used to always max every rep every expansion and do all the side stuff but I mained warrior from mid vanilla until I quit in warlords. Then I returned at the end of bfa and fell in love with m+ but with how balance works I'm changing mains at least every other season. Now I'm looking back at my rep sheet on different toons and seeing stuff I already completed not done so I think what is the point in caring about this stuff when the game doesn't want to give me credit for it but on one toon and it has to be the same toon every time if I want the rewarding feel of seeing them all complete. Was pretty lame personally. I love the t-mog changes closest thing to removing lock outs on old raids I could ask for and in fact a little better as I can now just focus on 1 raid at a time and chain it down with multiple classes and progress them all of them at once.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Ya I really like the transmog changes myself as well!
@Rockforce80
@Rockforce80 10 месяцев назад
Regarding the rep, they could still do that weekly huge rep quest. They'd just have to flag the quest in the same way they do those certain pet battle quests. Pet battle junk is often account wide so you can only do that given quest once a week total. The hooks at least exist to gate it in that way. I'm hopeful with the legacy content, he seemed to imply that we start with war within, then dragonflight, and then they start to go further back after that.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Oh ya? Didn't even know that honestly. So if that's so then ya that's a good solution. But ya with legacy content, it will become trivialized unless they take the time to do that everywhere. But I guess at this point it barely matters.
@omy8443
@omy8443 10 месяцев назад
I am fine with the 3 days. That epic feeling in Dragonflight was first not being able to log in for hours on launch day, then if you were able to log in you were stuck in the port of Stormwind unable to get on the boat. I gave up and just waited till the next day to log in.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Ya I get that that is frustrating, but to me that's all part of the rush of it.
@Uncle-Ruckus.
@Uncle-Ruckus. 10 месяцев назад
honestly rly excited what they gonna do with the hero talents, subclasses are always cool in mmos imo
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Ya, I'm really excited about the potential there.
@bojnebojnebojne
@bojnebojnebojne 10 месяцев назад
The 3 day head start is actually huge for those who gets a head start in collecting materials that will be necessary to raiding in order to make big bucks at the start of an expansion. So it does matter for the economy of the game. It's kinda funny acquiring a studio because it was doing so much good work, then proceeds to fire people and expect it to perform as well as before XD. It's like buying a car and removing some parts of the engine and expect it to work XD. When it comes to the heritage armors for alts etc, i think you have to be exalted with your factions main hub town, like Stormwind or Orgrimmar for the character you want to do the heritage quest on in order for those heritage quests to actually show up for your alt. I'm not 100% sure on that though so don't quote me on it :P. Anduin is what a person in a position of power should not be, self-obsessed, too emotional to make important decisions etc etc. He is a crybaby and that is not a good look for someone that is supposed to be the a leader, the King of the people.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Well he hasn't been a king for a while. Don't think he is going back to that role.
@bojnebojnebojne
@bojnebojnebojne 10 месяцев назад
True, but every npc in the game still treat him as if he still is the king. But he probably will go back to that role, knowing blizzards love for a redemption arc.@@heythereguysitsMetro
@AntonioPerez1990
@AntonioPerez1990 10 месяцев назад
I don’t think they will abandon weekly quests. They will probably have gold, gear and upgrade currency as a reward, with reputation at a weekly cap. There will still be a reason to log onto alts to do world content, like Delves, since those unlock an option from the Great Vault every week.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Delves really I can't see being worth doing on alts. M+ is just so easy to gear up in. Unless the gear from delves is significantly better from significantly less effort, I can't imagine doing them on anything buy my main to max them out, and maybe a leveling challenge type playthrough of them. Naked Delving maybe?
@mattsmith7413
@mattsmith7413 10 месяцев назад
i disagree with the alt thing, yes my main will always be my main personally, but if something takes me 8 hours to do (and most of it being monotinous grind) once; then i damn sure dont wanna do it again on my warlock for instance just go gain access to a tailoring recipe. having it all account wide gives the people that want that a good thing. The people that are not bothered about it can just not interact with it
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
As long as its actually optional, you'd be right. I fear that I won't be able to "just not interact with it." But some people have commented that they might have said the warband feature is optional, so if that's true that would be good for me. The thing about the game is though, everything about it is meant to be the same formula. You put in X effort and get Y reward. You don't enjoy doing it, but that doesn't mean it should just be skippable. How long before people say "I don't want to spend these hours leveling my characters" or even gearing their characters!? These things are core RPG features. You don't start a new save file in a single player game and expect to skip all the stuff you already did on your previous one right? Asking for stuff like this to change is unreasonable given how the game is and what its goals are. But that being said, they have handled it well. I just don't expect people to actually be happy with it, because its not just one thing they want. They want it all. Very slippery slope, this topic.
@mattsmith7413
@mattsmith7413 10 месяцев назад
@@heythereguysitsMetro i agree partly with what you think, i suppose it depends on perspective. My personal take on it is the work should be put in, but once. nothing should be given to you without work in the mmorpg genre maybe, but having to rep grinds in particular twice irks me. I love questing, have done every quest i can get my hands to on 4 alts now, and i have no objection to doing so but rep grinds like cobalt assemblt for instance (considering warbands lore wise would be what, a merry band of brothers for lack of a better term) would have access to their mutual friendships/contacts. just my opinion ofc
@jackiethomas3301
@jackiethomas3301 10 месяцев назад
I would really like a comprehensive story for each expansion. Like imagine if you had an adventure journal with a cohesive story for vanilla where you fight ragnaros and kel'thuzad, than to TBC, Wotlk etc all through the years in an evergreen type adventure journal
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Something readable in game you mean? That sounds cool. Probably easily made in an addon to be honest.
@jackiethomas3301
@jackiethomas3301 10 месяцев назад
No i mean like you know how when you log in to dragonflight, and it shows you the 5 or 6 questlines you need to do for "guardian of the dreams" "embers of neltharian" etc? they should do that for every expansion. that way i can get my friends to come play wow, and they actually get to experience fighting ragnaros through a questline, instead of me just telling them about how awesome it used to be. @@heythereguysitsMetro
@christopherdaffron8115
@christopherdaffron8115 10 месяцев назад
So, Blizzard confirmed at Blizzcon that the 10.2 Raid will be the last (new) Raid for the Dragon Isles expansion. Blizzard also announced that the next expansion, The War Within, comes out in the Fall of 2024 which could be November of 2024. So that means that we could have close to an entire year left of Dragonflight. Given the fast pace of previous patches in Dragonflight, how do you think Blizzard can keep new content coming until next November??
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Ya we talked about that on the stream, no clue how they can keep the 8 week patches they mentioned for another 10-12 months. I imagine they are talking about in the actual next expansion they hope to change this. Otherwise its gonna be a LOT of small patches.
@jasonbrown1201
@jasonbrown1201 10 месяцев назад
I think there will be a season 4, a fated raid. Mythic+ will be a send off, using all 8 DF dungeons. That would be why they had 4 in season 1, 4 in season 2 and only the megadungeon in season 3, saving all 8 for season 4.
@TurboBusters
@TurboBusters 7 месяцев назад
The reason you have a portal to ghostlands is because ghostlands and everything north of it shares a map with the rest of the outlands, so it's basically like a second dark portal :p
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 7 месяцев назад
I don't remember what I said in the video about that honestly. But ya I know that.
@Neurotik51
@Neurotik51 10 месяцев назад
My main issue with Shadowlands (and Dragonflight) is the villain. The Jailer, to me, was an uninteresting character who came out of nowhere and was retconned into Warcraft 3's story and Artha's tale. Sylvanas was also wasted IMO. She had great potential to remain this anti-hero type figure working towards her own interests, that's how she's always worked best as a character. The amount of power she obtained so quickly also felt inorganic, I'll never forget how sad I felt watching the Shadowlands announcement cinematic and seeing her just one shot the LK like that, as if it was that easy the whole time. Made the entire Warcraft 3 story seem moot. I'm no writer so I can't speak on the objective quality of the writing, but I don't really care about that, what matters to me is my perception of it. Legion, MoP, and Wrath had great villains that carried the story, that's what Warcraft has always been about, heroes vs. villains; if one side is lacking the story fails. The game hasn't felt like "Warcraft" to me since Legion so I'm hoping the next expansion changes that. Shadowlands was particularly non-sensical to me. It felt like they had people writing it who didn't understand the Warcraft franchise, so even it were high quality or not it didn't belong here. I do agree with what you say about Anduin, his character progression is one of the few things I like that came out of Shadowlands. I'm glad they're using these characters going forward and finally addressing the sword. The premise that it was aimed at someone is a great idea.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Hmm ya, the Jailer ended up being the thing that I was the most interested in in Shadowlands honestly. Love the connection he had to the dreadlords and everything formerly Arthas related. Honestly though, if a character has connections to any warcraft 3 stuff, I immediately love it haha
@jabberie
@jabberie 10 месяцев назад
In relation to that type of statement around selling stuff, Fall ends on Dec 31st in the US. That's why they use it. It's a binding statement.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Fall ends Dec 23rd, that's why I was confused with the 31st.
@mattrose9646
@mattrose9646 10 месяцев назад
Not sweating the weekly rep quest thing you’re worried about. It’s easy enough to make the weekly quest account-wide. This is already how the Time Rift weekly works. So using your Zereth Mortis example, you’d just have done it on one character, it wouldn’t be available to others once you completed it, and the whole warband benefits.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Right, I'm sure its not hard technically. Its not that I don't think they wont find a solution to it. I just think their solution will lead to less content and reward for those who enjoy doing this stuff on multiple characters already.
@nukins
@nukins 10 месяцев назад
21:50 i think a benefit for the 3 day early release for people who bought the epic version could potentially be a smoother launch for everyone. You wont have as many players funneled into a zone on both the early launch and the global launch which puts less stress on the servers theoretically. That being said i think d4 had some launch issues despite doing the same thing so I could be very wrong here, but time will tell
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Ya, that SHOULD be a benefit, you would hope. But sadly ya there will still be launch issues because a LOT of players are going to pay for that for sure.
@Felixxfb
@Felixxfb 10 месяцев назад
I mean...I haven't seen launch problem since shadowlands...
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
@@Felixxfb There were major problems at launch for DF. The content wasn't there when it was supposed to be for many players.
@littlelindman
@littlelindman 10 месяцев назад
Blizzard pays around 53% less than the competition for the same level of dev experience. ( Taken from q4 of 2022 so mightve changed but highly doubt it ) I dont see how theyd ever be able to make something of good quality with the majority of their staff having little experience as game devs ALONGSIDE of paying them less than half of what other studios do.
@wiziek
@wiziek 10 месяцев назад
Most of gaming studio pay less then other software companies.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Meanwhile they have made something of tremendous quality.
@Wubadubs
@Wubadubs 10 месяцев назад
They will cap renown gains so that you dont feel forced to do it 13 times a week. I dont think they wanted us doing 500 Hunts in 2-3 days to max renown to get our first Primal Focus before raid release like we did at the start of Dragonflight. As someone with 13 toons, I have one "main" whose done all the story, but on all my alts in Valdrakken I have what feels like hundreds of quest markers on the map of quests i already have done on my main. Its kind of ridiculous and overwhelming, like theres no way im gonna go through and even try to see what those quests are on my alts so i just forever have a mess of ! all over the map. I dont need to do the bread crumb quest to show me where the Revival Catalyst is on every character. I wouldnt worry about locking yourself out on quests if it stays that way going forward, i kinda wish I could toggle on/off "Quests I completed on this Account" because I have already seen the story and they generally give no rewards aside from 20ish gold. Every time I log in to an alt i hear "Champion, can I have a word with you?" and theres some little pet looking thing with a ! over it following me around. There has to be some sort of middle ground, because I wish I could be like you and pick one toon and just play it forever. I started DF as Prot Pally with the intention of keeping it my main all expac, but when they put mana on me that was the end of that. I am SO GLAD I do not have to the campaign, do all the story just to swap to my new Evoker main, and if I need to swap again its just a matter of gearing the toon, which imho is the BEST feature of Dragonflight BY FAR. I 130% agree with you about them being stretched too thin. Im really afraid they will over promise and under deliver. I never felt that way before Dragonflight, and to me the Dragonflight Beta was scary and the things I was worried about are actually still problems I have with the game. I dont know about Alphas, I never got invited to an Alpha until Dragonflight, but I was generally in the first wave of Beta since Pandaria. Shadowlands Beta was 131 days. Dragonflight beta was 81 days. In Shadowlands Beta I felt it was mostly ready to ship aside from a few bugs here and there. Dragonflight Beta was like "is this really what we are getting?". In the Dragonflight beta seeing the development of the Thundering Affix was like "OMG what are they doing?" and honestly it felt like they were still developing it AFTER release as the whole "Tank gets the 3rd -/+ charge" didnt happen until well into the season. The first iteration was so bad I just assumed we would never bring Melee to M+ or at most 1 melee. Then all the sudden we just dont have seasonal affixes anymore, which kinda makes me a little sad (even though I hated Thundering). The whole Work Order system wasn't implemented until almost 2 weeks before release and it was super confusing in beta. Now I personally feel like we have Auction House, and The Other Auction House. The whole expansion felt so rushed and more and more I just feel like its "How little can we do to appease the masses?". While I agree with you on the 3 day head start... those people are also getting the Beta, so its way more than a 3 day head start. I know you dont actually get to keep what you do on Beta, but just "practicing leveling" is a HUGE head start, and usually enough to get Ahead of the Curve, so to speak, on other people leveling so your not caught in choke points. Which is what I think the 3 day head start is supposed to alleviate. Letting a % of players start early will make "release day" much smoother. Unfortunately it will also make "paying" for the 3 day head start and have it be full of crashes and WSD (I play on Illidan US its always a problem) feel terrible. If it takes more than 3 days level ill be surprised. I almost agree with you on Classic+, but I have a lot of friends that are going to come back to WoW to play Classic+ for 1 reason. Its super low commitment. Leveling 1-25 in a month and getting to do "a new raid" with "wacky stuff like tanking warlocks" is a cool game mode. I dont think anyone is gonna take it TOO seriously. I think its just an experiment to see if they can fix "Warriors are the ONLY tanks worth having" and/or "Why would you even consider playing arcane mage?". I'm more interested in just playing with these friends again who have long given up on the game, I kinda worried whats gonna happen when they realize theres no Random Dungeon Finder in Classic+ tho xD Thank you Metro for taking the time to read this. I hope some of this is thought provoking for you. Wubs.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Thanks for the passionate reply. A lot to reply to, but I notice a really interesting thing that I hadn't thought of totally. The 3 day head start and the beta equaling something that will equate to most of the players in this boat being done leveling and doing end game content before the game even launches. Under previous circumstances, that would be the case, at least. Maybe something will be different now.
@elcanaldelargan8575
@elcanaldelargan8575 10 месяцев назад
I have already seen a few interviews, I can answer a few things. Rep grinding.- The repeteable quests (daily, weekly...) will give rep only the first time you do them in each period of time (that day, that week, etc...), and I suppose non repeateable quest will give rep only the first time you do them (although no confirmation there). Evokers.- Will start at level 10, like other hero classes. Quel-thalas portal.- Both that zone and the draenei starting zone are, currently, in the same map than Outland, although not seen and far away between them, but they are in the same map, when you are in that zone, you are currently playing in Outland. Delves might be a blow for M+pugs, though, as a lot of M+ puggers do it as an easy way to get better gear than in outdoor without strict timetables and, with the current situation in M+ in regards of the community.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
I think it would be the best thing for everyone honestly, if people only doing M+ for gear moved to another system. That's a huge part of the reason there is such a mess in low keys, I'd imagine.
@elcanaldelargan8575
@elcanaldelargan8575 10 месяцев назад
@@heythereguysitsMetro I'd say the worst part, at least in regards of toxicity, is probably more in the mid keys (10-20) than in the low ones. But, specially if you come in the mid of a season, you need to do the low ones in order for people to let you play the mid (and later on, the high ones) and, if there is no people to do the low ones because they are in Delves... we will see how it works, but the M+ system could become even more stagnated than it already is. A question I have not seen answered is what will happen with M+ rankings and warbands, I can be god with my priest in M+, but terrible with my DH, if you can only see the total progression of the person, instead of the character, I might go with my DH and have some 'issues' for the party (I would never do that, but... as an example). For now, I like some of the changes, as they adresssed a good chunk of my motivations to leave the game, and I might come back for next expac, but I'm not convinced yet.
@lyukduke
@lyukduke 10 месяцев назад
As a wannabe gamedesigner, what you spoke about account wide possibilities made my gizmos turn and I came up with a way I'd like to see some account wide benefits, if any. Assuming the xp per level scales non linearly ( which I don't know if it's the case for WoW because I've been playing it for a while but never wanted to investigate this part of its design), you could make it so that any character you play other than the highest level one you have gets a version of rested xp boost that lasts up to a certain total, derived from a fraction of that highest level character's XP amount. Now, in theory, if each new level scales non-linearly, this should give the replaying experience of making alts a little more spunk without spiralling into brokenness. I'm pretty sure this has little to do with your own concerns and I do apologise for going down a tangent here but I just wanted to share my two cents :D
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Cool, its always fun to think about stuff like that. That would absolutely kill the game for me but hopefully it will never happen. Leveling is already too fast as it stands. Maybe would be cool for Classic's Season of Discovery though.
@lyukduke
@lyukduke 10 месяцев назад
Indeed I was thinking about Classic only, alas I can't seem to get seduced by retail enough to get back into it - the novelties scare me away! Thanks for replying mate, I appreciate :D Keep up the good work!@@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
@@lyukduke oh cool, ya good idea for classic. Enjoy!
@mikeoldes5150
@mikeoldes5150 10 месяцев назад
You definitely have a different take than I do. Alts have kept the game interesting outside the first month or two of the patch. For my alts i just want to get leveled and start the mythic + grind. Not reputation and busy work that is usually required.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Nothing like that is ever required on alts though, unless you want to treat them as a second main. Especially not if your only goals are Mythic+. I literally ding 70, buy full greens, and get a 20 done the first week on two alts now haha
@wowxleahyrain
@wowxleahyrain 10 месяцев назад
​@heythereguysitsMetro can't you only buy up to 379?
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
@@wowxleahyrain that's correct. All you need to get started. Keys are insanely nerfed right now.
@skyreaperskyreaper6453
@skyreaperskyreaper6453 10 месяцев назад
Good video. My only genuine and legitament concern is augmentation evokers and the state of support roles in the game. Dps is by far the most popular role and in m+ there are now only 2 dps slots, and as long as metas as god comps exist, this further creates friction from playing what you like, which I think is genuinely poisonous to the game. Delves seem to combat meta issues though imo but I honestly love m+ and I’m worried that Aug is genuinely harming the meta and enjoyment of it for everyone.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
I can see why you'd say that, but there have always been meta picks. Perhaps never quite as locked in as Augmentation though, to be fair. But ya, I ran hundreds of challenge modes with 2 enhance shamans in every group for example. I think there is far too much worrying about "meta" and maximizing your character when playing the game anymore. Just play what you can, and do the best you can on it. If you have to do your own key to progress, then do it. And hell, if you can only get so far because of your spec, wear it like a badge of honor. In BFA I could have climbed way higher as Prot warrior than Blood, but I was proud that I still accomplished what I did on the spec because I love it more than progression.
@Lunarae-y7j
@Lunarae-y7j 10 месяцев назад
Hi Metro 👋. I'm looking forward to warbands in 11.0 but at the same time you brought up great points regarding rep and quest lines for alts, gets people thinking. I love Anduin's character development and where he's going and I agree, Shadowlands set that up. Thank you for sharing your thoughts ☺
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Glad to see you!
@Lunarae-y7j
@Lunarae-y7j 10 месяцев назад
@@heythereguysitsMetro Taking a break until next Tuesday reset day and 10.2 arrives 🙂
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
@@Lunarae-y7j Smart, get the head clear before it launches!
@orsikbattlefate3976
@orsikbattlefate3976 10 месяцев назад
I can honestly say I have never used an alt to make my main stronger cept through trade skills, even in EQ1 I didn't use alts to make my main stronger either, nor in any game really
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Okay
@shellydkitty
@shellydkitty 10 месяцев назад
Long time viewer first time caller. Just want to say I really appreciate your take on all things WoW and though I'm a newer player (started in Shadowlands and also don't get all the hate for it!) I can already tell how certain community desired changes driving the development team can easily have unintended consequences to how the game changes/how people interact with the game. When you were talking about Classic towards the end -- I just started playing classic (just classic, no hardcore, no wraith) because I really wanted the OG experience. I'm playing with my partner who started playing in classic originally, and when I started making observations about certain QOL things missing from retail that would make playing classic "easier" they quickly pointed out how making those changes over the years massively changed the game in unintended ways. Putting in LFG queues makes dungeons more accessible but you lose the community aspect of having to manually form a group and people are not really working together anymore to tackle that content in the same way; opening up cross-realm grouping means no one has a server-reputation anymore and people can act like assholes without any social consequences, etc. You pug a mythic dungeon with people you're never likely to see again; in classic I see and interact with the same people all the time and it just feels different in a good way. Leveling is meaningful in a way it can never be again in retail. I love playing both, but they feel like two separate games at this point! I think having more things account-wide like rep is also going to have unintended consequences that maybe we can't even see now, but it's sort of too late. Like you said, they're a business and they need to make money to stay in business so they're always going to be a certain amount of catering to your audience. But I do sometimes feel that people complaining about these things don't actually like what the game is and want to turn it into something else and my question is always "why don't you just play a different game?" Anyway, sorry for the long babble, but just wanted to say I appreciate your thoughts and always enjoy your longform videos when you talk about the game!
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
That is pretty much my exact thoughts. Especially about Classic and it being a different game. But ya, to restate, all of those changes described here were stuff people asked for, and its very clear how much it changes the game over a long period. People never think about that though. They just want what is best for them, in the moment. Not what is best for the game. And that's a big problem.
@nathanw4897
@nathanw4897 10 месяцев назад
Excited for account wide bank, gold, and reagents.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Great changes there for sure.
@Offpls
@Offpls 10 месяцев назад
Can they please fix soar? I want to be a dragon. Druids will have better dragon riding than dragons and that’s a sin.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Not sure what you mean specifically, but they did say that Soar will be proper dragonriding in an interview. Is that what you mean?
@skyreaperskyreaper6453
@skyreaperskyreaper6453 10 месяцев назад
Soars working fine?
@Nutzy5840
@Nutzy5840 10 месяцев назад
Soar Will be just like dragonriding in 10.2.5
@skyreaperskyreaper6453
@skyreaperskyreaper6453 10 месяцев назад
@@Nutzy5840 soar is already like dragon riding just a worse version
@Bunstonious
@Bunstonious 10 месяцев назад
I don't agree with the criticims of account bound stuff. I am a serial alt enjoyer and the reason I am like this is because I struggle with focus, and swapping characters makes it easier to exist in the game without getting bored (For example, I don't have a main character but a roster of them that I play on and off depending on how I feel at the time and what I feel like playing each session). The one thing that is a massive bother for me is the rep requirements, and the thing is, because it unlocks so much that you need now it simply can't be ignored for the most part and you HAVE to level the rep for cosmetics / crafting recipes / mounts / QUESTS and various other things, where in the past you only needed to level the rep if you wanted the mount or one of the basic weapons, but none of the main story beats were locked behind the reps. Having account bound reps I think is a solid change that means that you don't get penalised for changing characters part way through the expansion (My wife and friend both changed their main throughout the expansion so far and are terribly behind, and even myself have to go back on a character i'm not vibing with because I need to level the reps). There is a penalty for changing characters and it's quest completion / gear and that's ok (although it could be like other MMOs where all gear could be warband locked and you send it to the character you want to play, but I don't think they would / or should do this necessarily). And the thing about this whole thing is that most of the people still playing the game don't have the time to grind like they did back in the day when they had less life / responsibilities, and so the game changes with them, you may not like it because you DO have the time as it's your job (or you just don't care for alts like other people) but the reality that a majority of the player base are getting older and have jobs so they just won't engage if it stays the same in perpetuity. In addition to that you need to think about the competition and how they handle the same thing, and the age of Blizzard and WoW's systems are showing. Perhaps the "wanting to play it like it was" is a massive vote for Classic and Classic+. Regarding the quests, again this is where Blizzard are showing their age, most MMOs have a repeatable quest system in case you want to repeat older quests but for some reason that sort of thing is only possible while party synced, so the ability to do it is there but they just haven't implemented it. This is a great way to have your alts complete quests that have been completed before in case the progression was account wide. Remember this, reputation is NOT a necessary element of RPGs, this is a GAME MECHANIC that Blizzard used to use to time-gate rewards. I think the main issues with the story right now is how tame it is and how disjointed it is from a storyboard perspective and I think the reason SL was so panned was because it invalidated a lot of the previous high and low moments, had an unrelatable bad guy and the individual story beats were very inconsistent.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
The stuff unlocked from rep isn't needed for multiple characters though unless you want to master multiple professions across your toons. That's always been my gripe about the alt thing. You are falling into this trap too. I play multiple characters and simply never interact with reps or other long term progression systems on alts. You don't need to do it to enjoy the character. And if you WANT to play the character as if it were a second main, then that is your choice too
@Bunstonious
@Bunstonious 10 месяцев назад
@@heythereguysitsMetro hey man, that's your opinion and I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Personally I think this is an amazing change and i'm glad it's coming, but I understand that not everyone agrees.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
@@Bunstonious I'm just worried that people will want more and more. If you are upset about having to regrind rep for stuff you didn't need now, what will the next problem to solve be? "I don't have time to gear all these characters?" Eventually it becomes something it never should have been just because people aren't able to just log on and enjoy the gameplay of an alt without feeling the need to pursue everything pulling at their attention.
@Bunstonious
@Bunstonious 10 месяцев назад
@@heythereguysitsMetro "I'm just worried that people will want more and more" - I mean, that's the nature of a product right? And expecting the product you're interested in to be as good or better than the competition is also standard practice. The problem is that the players that they're looking to serve are just vastly different with varying different needs. I think this is why the Classic / Classic+ is ideal for those that prefer a more 'static' and old school experience, and retail is great for the modern experience that keeps pace with others on the market. "If you are upset about having to regrind rep for stuff you didn't need now" - I mean, technically I don't "need" anything, but it's intended that if you WANT story you need to play a SINGLE character. I think your characterisation is actually pretty insulting ngl and just wrong. I don't need story? That's one of the main reasons why I play RPGs. And i'm not 'upset' per se, I just think it would be better and more engaging on the core of the game rather than dealing with reps. Honestly I would have been fine with it if STORY wasn't locked behind fucking reps, but here we are. "what will the next problem to solve be" - I can tell you straight up the next thing they should solve is cross faction stuff, and keep plugging away at that so that the system is more engaging and you can play with the people you want to play with. In my opinion that would be a better use of the dev time than account bound reps (reps are only a minor gripe for me personally). At the end of the day there will always be things that every game can be doing to make it better, and I don't think there is anything wrong with asking for betterment of the game that you pay lots of money to play honestly. Maybe if it wasn't so heavily monetised i'd say "leave it as it is". "Eventually it becomes something it never should have been just because people aren't able to just log on and enjoy the gameplay of an alt without feeling the need to pursue everything pulling at their attention." - I mean, I have said that we have that game already that doesn't change and remains relatively static, it's Classic. And who determines what it SHOULD be? You? Me? Blizzard? I just want to be able to play the story on a few of my characters without feeling the need to grind my ass off on rep for no reason, when it was a few mounts and a couple of 'ok' weapons it was fine, but literally everything and even crafting requires a separate rep requirement so they either need to drop rep requirements altogether or make it account bound. Honestly I don't think it's a game breaking thing whether or not reps are account bound, and I certainly don't care enough to stop playing (I have a sub paid until 2024 in like October lol). I personally think this is a good change, but fair enough if you don't.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
@@Bunstonious it's just the slippery slope here that worries me. This change is relatively pointless to me. I don't even have a single rep maxed this expansion. The only thing I am worried about with it is whether the leveling challenges will be compromised with this. But this worries me for the future when players continue to demand more and more and we just eventually have something that isn't an RPG anymore. You just log on and have Max level toons with full gear. That will be the only thing that would ever make me quit. And it seems to be heading that way.
@Covdova
@Covdova 10 месяцев назад
What program are you talking about that edits the video for you?
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Not entirely sure the name of it honestly. Its some command line thing. Here is the video I watched to get it all set up ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IENbktZtjXQ.html
@brohogany9920
@brohogany9920 10 месяцев назад
I think you make a good point about various systems and old content that will be affected by warbands. Its a lot of work which has probably taken a lot of the devs time. However I still don't think you're letting yourself see the positives of the warband system. By making the game alt friendly blizzard is giving players hundreds of hours of more playtime now that you have so many ways to play. Theres no reason to make a player choose one or two classes to play and expect them to repeat so many tasks just to use then in pve/pvp. Games like osrs and ffxiv have shown how entertaining and poweful it is to remove barriers and let players experience all of the game roles and not just a fraction of it.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
No, those things just don't exist. You do not need to do these tasks at all, let alone on alts. I don't even have a single rep past 30 on any character. It does not offer anything you need to play the characters and have fun. That's the issue. Too many players make it sound like they are not allowed to play the game the way they want, but that couldn't be less true. The bigger issue here is this disconnect from reality with the systems makes me worry about the future. How long until the narrative shifts to "I don't have time to gear my character" and we introduce "treasure troves" where all gear is BOA now!? Eventually its just not the same game anymore.
@brohogany9920
@brohogany9920 10 месяцев назад
@@heythereguysitsMetro consider this though. Let's say you have your main you've played for years and have transmog, rep, achievements ect tied to them. If you're unlucky you could go an entire expansion or two where your class is nerfed or changed in a way where they are no longer fun or in the meta. Or what if you do make an alt and you end up liking the play style more. However all of your achievements are on your original character with 6 expansions under their belt. To me warbands puts the player before the class. You aren't out into a situation where you feel like you have to stick to one character because of the time commitment. Now when you do rep, achievements, transmog ect you're working towards an account goal and you're still free to try that new alliance race you unlocked or the latest class added to the expansion. I'm not currently a retail player so I could be wrong about these things and your opinion is valid. Isn't it fair to let players have warbands who want to play alts? You don't have to play alts and if you really wanted to do the grinds you could always link accounts right? Don't get me wrong though a toggle would be nice like you mention. And I do hope they preserve as much old content as possible. Just food for thought.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
@@brohogany9920 ya just need a toggle and I'll be happy.
@kingpacalulu1533
@kingpacalulu1533 10 месяцев назад
If I'm not mistaken, I think the way it would work is you physically have to add whichever alts you want to the warband for it to apply to those characters. Characters not in the warband wouldn't get the rep from the characters you put in the warband. Hopefully that's the way it works because I see your point otherwise.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Ya, hopefully. You may be right!
@nathanw4897
@nathanw4897 10 месяцев назад
Interesting. This would be a good compromise. Not really my impression. The login screen you have to add your favorites to be in the “camp” image. But seems like warband is a fancy name for account bound. Like how other games like SWTOR did surnames/family.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
That was my take-away from that, ya. That the "optional" part would be which characters appear there, not to toggle out of things being account-wide.@@nathanw4897
@mattsmith7413
@mattsmith7413 10 месяцев назад
i took that a different way, the optional part is which characters you want to display on the character screen, an aesthetic thing, so you can match xmogs for fantasy and such. the warbands i believe will truly be account wide, once youve done said thing once, all other characters if they meet requirements have the rewards associated to that thing.
@Marbo-Marbo
@Marbo-Marbo 10 месяцев назад
Rep weekly will be per account for the rep reward
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Assuming so, ya. Do you think that's a good thing though?
@Rethmaa
@Rethmaa 10 месяцев назад
The “everything account wide” thing is just a shining lie. They still couldnt figure it out how to make rbg titles accountwide. Again these are just some titles that you own from probably from 2005-2006.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
I have no idea what you are trying to say here or why it's relevant to warbands.
@bononoz2948
@bononoz2948 10 месяцев назад
I agree with a lot of what you say here, primarily when it comes to Blizzard just pandering to the community. In terms of the story, I think the writing for Dragonflight is god awful but the writing for Shadowlands was amazing! My worry for the three expansions is that they're just gonna inject more postmodernist nonsense into badass characters like Anduin and Thrall.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Oh ya, that sort of stuff never really bothered me in a video game. But I can see why it would upset some people. The game certainly isn't as dark and gritty as it used to be, but the way the story seems to be moving is encouraging to me, regardless of what specific characters are into.
@OldManDoom
@OldManDoom 10 месяцев назад
They set up the Shadowlands end of Arthas’ story years ago? Then they have been that irredeemably awful for that many years?
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Opposite in my eyes. Maybe if you find the game "irredeemably awful" you should not watch videos on it?
@bynamscott5564
@bynamscott5564 10 месяцев назад
As far as I understood , you have to pick characters to include into warband. I am happy with everything they have announced. I will try that new "classic"+ for sure even tho I am not fan of classic at all. I am fine with Cata annoucment as well because that maybe/probably means we will get Pandaria "classic" as well and that is my favorite expansion to the point where I would even leave retail to play it.Also I might play some Cata as well I am excited about upcoming changes because I am into collecting reps/achivs etc and I have spread those over my alts to make it easier and with upcoming changes its gonna be even better. Every video you made so far that is similar to this I have agreed with you and had same opinion as you 100% but on this one is not like that at all but you did made some good points especially about community and wow now being so spread out with so many versions and hardcore version is 100% "hype" version.I like your view about story and Anduin as well, Maybe you have been overthinking too much this or like you said maybe you have built up some expectations?
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Nope, just how I feel about those things. If its true that the warband is optional, that will solve my major issue with it! I did not hear that announced myself, but it would be a wise thing for them to do.
@ThomasBachler01
@ThomasBachler01 10 месяцев назад
@@heythereguysitsMetro they explicitly said that you "can" add characters to your warband and not all characters in the login screen where part of the warband. I think this is as certain as it can be that it is optional without them explicitly using that word.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
@@ThomasBachler01 The way I hear that is that they can be added to the screen itself. But ya, hopefully it is totally option.
@ThomasBachler01
@ThomasBachler01 10 месяцев назад
@@heythereguysitsMetro I rewatched that part and you are right. I am now less confident, but I see there are already many people in the forums asking for toggle options, so let's hope they listen to that
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
@@ThomasBachler01 ya im sure its not just me
@aasdsa6320
@aasdsa6320 10 месяцев назад
Well i assume they making those changes since its a wrap up of WoW its the end after that 3rd expansion, so meaning they just give us more and more stuff let us be able to play more characters for the last expansions. So i think its justified for those changes in my opinion.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
You mean you think wow will end after these three? No they already confirmed that wont be the case. They plan on another 20 years.
@Neurotik51
@Neurotik51 10 месяцев назад
Not a chance WoW is ending lol, why would they ever kill such a lucrative franchise? They likely wouldn't even be allowed to by their superiors.
@RaWBoy67
@RaWBoy67 10 месяцев назад
Don’t see why legacy content rep/renown cant be account wide. Ie: How busted would it really be to have an alt army do Brood of Nozdormu rep farm?
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Well its work, first of all. But if you mean philosophically, I laid out my opposition to why in the video.
@RaWBoy67
@RaWBoy67 10 месяцев назад
@@heythereguysitsMetro Your argument was about the "degenerate" (paraphrased) alt army trivializing current xpac reps, which I agree has merit to not be account wide. I think anything not current xpac should be account wide so I don't need to repeat legacy content (which there is years worth of).
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
@@RaWBoy67 No, my argument was that the old stuff is something I enjoy doing over and over again here and there for leveling challenges or otherwise. If I can never grind these reps again, that's going to make me less happy with leveling than currently.
@RaWBoy67
@RaWBoy67 10 месяцев назад
@@heythereguysitsMetro Oh. I guess I didn’t get that from the video. Not sure how many people enjoy regrinding reputations for fun though. Perhaps it could be an opt in/out thing.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Hopefully it will be, ya.@@RaWBoy67
@Blaylock2
@Blaylock2 10 месяцев назад
I don’t think it’s bad writing I think it’s like a movie some people love certain movies some don’t . I don’t call it bad writing I just don’t like the story .
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Ya that's the sensible way to look at it. But legit, people think its just factually bad. I can't understand that.
@Blaylock2
@Blaylock2 10 месяцев назад
Yeah I get you, now don’t get me wrong I loved the other stories this one I just can’t get vested in .
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
To each their own, as they say!@@Blaylock2
@Sodacacik
@Sodacacik 10 месяцев назад
the game is becoming what people joked about 15 years ago when they said if the players designed the game the game would be a joke
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Well its certainly not a joke. But the sentiment is the same. The players designing the game compromises much of the purpose of the game in the first place.
@grilledleeks6514
@grilledleeks6514 10 месяцев назад
Blizzard added mythic plus. Blizzard added gold for tokens. Stop blaming the players for the state of the game. Players would only do as bad of a job as Blizzard already is
@big123lak
@big123lak 10 месяцев назад
retail lost to many players there gonna have to keep doing things that siphon as much money off who's left most the money prob comes from start of season wow tokens and those promotional deals they do all the time for game time or mounts and stuff
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
How do you know that?
@skyreaperskyreaper6453
@skyreaperskyreaper6453 10 месяцев назад
You’re delusional. Yes theres problems with the game and the company on a fundamental level, but honestly it’s so easy to tell that people shit on the game for stupid or no reasons at all just due to not liking blizzard games.
@QuickSh0t
@QuickSh0t 10 месяцев назад
Sorry the writing is bad. It's never really been good though. If you want good writing you have to go read books.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Its not bad in my opinion, and is far more compelling than the fantasy books I have read. Its up there with ASOIAF in my eyes.
@WritesFantasy
@WritesFantasy 10 месяцев назад
Honestly, I was sad to hear account wide rep and account wide flight paths. There is RP value there for me, of my characters having a history of what they did. My alliance have near maxed Legion and BfA reps. My Horde have near maxed Shadowlands and DF reps. It's a road map not just of my characters, as their own individual self, but of my history as their controller. Who I mained, what I did on who. What I earned on what. If everyone has it. They lose their individuality, and become just....pixels.if that makes sense.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Totally makes sense ya. Sadly the game is losing a lot of its RPG elements year after year. BUT some commenters have suggested the "warband" may be something you do have to opt into. I suppose we don't know for sure either way, but if so, then you can just continue as you were. I might put the toons I do M+ on all in it, then nothing else.
@WritesFantasy
@WritesFantasy 10 месяцев назад
Lol. I think Anduin is lame AF. I have 0 respect for him. Ready for Grey mane to take over as king.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
I was just talking about the writing of the character, not whether you would like him if you were a part of the universe or not.
@becomeanhero9875
@becomeanhero9875 10 месяцев назад
if this account wide shit gets more people playing the game im all for it i just wanna see some fresh blood in the community
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
I feel ya. Problem I worry about is that its not coming from a place of sincerity. Its a symptom of many people wanting more and more for less and less, and if this continues, eventually the game may not be recognizable anymore.
@becomeanhero9875
@becomeanhero9875 10 месяцев назад
i feel sorry for those who think the game is too far gone from what they originally enjoyed,that does suck the worst for them. they do have classic and classic + however. i think that continually splitting up the playerbase is unfortunate, but that is a whole other bag of worms to argue over. sadly i believe pandoras box has already been opened with regards to the game being unrecognizable, as long as the gameplay stays relatively the same i really just want to spend more time playing and less time in lfg/doing laps around w/e the current hub is @@heythereguysitsMetro
@seimeianri
@seimeianri 10 месяцев назад
sacrificing rpg elements for player convenience, since they butchered gem crafting and colored slots, and simplified secondary stats I think it's not a real rpg anymore, my opinion I don't really mind warbands as announced, the point you brought about weekly quests is important, maybe it will be a one time per account, we will see, but yeah, everything they said was in line with the community for what I can tell and it feels odd they weren't pushing back or doubling down on anything hero talents is cool, even if not deeply impactful, they might keep tinkering with talents, it's better than the covenant abilities which had nothing about class fantasy the only wish I had (still have) is old world revamp, finally attaching ghostlands is a start, also delves could be around the old world as well I haven't bought it yet, I'm thinking about the heroic edition for the mount which is all I care for now, wish it had a fel-green color too, but can't wait to check your transmog, keep up the good content
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Thanks!
@markh4604
@markh4604 10 месяцев назад
Nitpicking hard. Game the way it is currently ? Bad . Oh we get changes ? Bad. Gimme wotlk mama . The real wowkiller is the playerbase u guys can never be satisfied
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Oh no, you probably are confusing me for the people just hating on the game for views. These are my legitimate concerns and they will be legitimate issues for the way I play the game. The game the way it currently is, in regards to these topics, is good. And the changes are bad. In my opinion, obviously. I know many disagree. I explained this in the video though, but I guess you didn't see that part. The wow community doesn't agree on anything at all really, so that's why you think they are all "not satisfied." Its actually different people with different viewpoints, and marginalizing one to please the other is not a good way to make a game suddenly after 20 years.
@markh4604
@markh4604 10 месяцев назад
@@heythereguysitsMetro No man ,watched it thru . I respect that .Just gets tiring hearing complaints every step. With your take on the story i totally agree, but gameplay wise i think we are getting a lot of changes we have been needing and myself i am not a big alt player. For the quest problem im sure they will have a solution , it would be simply dumb not to. You are right we all have different ideas but for majority of the players they are making the game better . Feels like they are starting to listen.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
​@@markh4604 Right, just in my opinion they are listening to the wrong things. People are asking for things that are contrary to what an RPG is, and I worry what that might look like if they "keep listening." I look at it as they are not making the game "better." They are making the game different. I liked it the way it was, and it was that way for 20 years. I don't think its unreasonable that I should be able to continue enjoying it the way it was instead of changing it so radically. Hopefully it will end up being optional, as some other comments have suggested it will be.
@grilledleeks6514
@grilledleeks6514 10 месяцев назад
Im sorry but retail will never be good without a reset. No matter how many expansions they list off
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
Its good now.
@grilledleeks6514
@grilledleeks6514 10 месяцев назад
​@@heythereguysitsMetroI don't agree. It's a bloated mess where 99% of the content is dead.
@vearheart42
@vearheart42 10 месяцев назад
Its good now.
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
@@grilledleeks6514 Perhaps you mean it wont ever live up to your expectations of it? Its obviously "good." People seem to enjoy it..?
@grilledleeks6514
@grilledleeks6514 10 месяцев назад
​@vearheart42 oh well in that case I guess nothing needs to be improved. Muppet
@grilledleeks6514
@grilledleeks6514 10 месяцев назад
Anduin is not a bad ass. His dad was. Anduin just cries a lot
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
I like Anduin myself.
@grilledleeks6514
@grilledleeks6514 10 месяцев назад
​@@heythereguysitsMetro I like him too. I just don't pretend like he's a badass. He's done nothing but fail so far
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
I don't pretend like that either. Its just a character in a video game. I was just admiring the writing that has spanned decades.@@grilledleeks6514
@grilledleeks6514
@grilledleeks6514 10 месяцев назад
I didn't mean for that to come off as accusatory to you, or what you assumed BTW. Was just shitting on anduin. Poor choice of words
@madtrade
@madtrade 10 месяцев назад
anduin in the bfa trailer still give me goosebump and i'm a horde 4 life
@RamheadWOW
@RamheadWOW 10 месяцев назад
My concern is why does female dwarves have beards
@heythereguysitsMetro
@heythereguysitsMetro 10 месяцев назад
ya, bit strange haha. But its optional
@Healsallday
@Healsallday 10 месяцев назад
A lot of fantasy lore paint female dwarves with beards
@RamheadWOW
@RamheadWOW 10 месяцев назад
It's just unnatural
@stylishskater92
@stylishskater92 10 месяцев назад
@@RamheadWOW The original dwarven lore of Tolkien actually explicitly states that female dwarves have beards. This is for once not a weird identitiy politics move, just recognizing/paying homage to Tolkien. So from the godfather of modern fantasy himself, female dwarves with beards is actually the natural version. Dwarves are not humans.
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