These Cranks Are BETTER Than Shimano and SRAM

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Do the stock Shimano and SRAM cranksets not work for you? Here are some better alternatives!
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@PathLessPedaledTV Год назад

Link to mentioned Nerd Crank Database: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XEFMbNAjIo2FQ2t3yVPH7yIvtJSfcWGx9Q9jpq9dduk/edit#gid=0

@davidstaudohar6733 Год назад

I've invented the zero gravity bicycle, and was Rob blind by the patent companies, I also invented a single sealed crank, with a grease fitting in the bottom of it, I break out my grease gun pump the cylinder up, watch the grease lose from the seal and I know that I have a packed Crank that will never rust because air can't get to it, my next endeavor is to make sealed hubs for the wheel, 3 Zurich fittings can keep your bicycle rolling a lifetime maybe five lifetimes ♦️♦️♦️ Diamond Dave ❤️‼️

@mydearriley Год назад

How do we join your discord?

@davidbabcock3261 Год назад

for heavier touring, I set up my Surly Troll for Latin America trips with an old school 44/32/22 and 11-34, Gevenalle shifters which work great. I have spent months on the bike on all kinds of roads, all kinds of gradients, all kinds of surfaces--and still feel a triple like this works so , so well for the type of touring I've done riding through Central America, Mexico or France or wherever. Gearing range 17- 103 g.i. I dunno, with front friction shifting being so nice, smooth, silent, etc the positives of a triple still really appeal. And I'm not a grumpy old retro grouch, I love riding my STI bike, and my 1x fatbike too, but I have always had the same view as yours regarding lower gearing. Been touring since 89 and even lightly loaded, most bikes have stupid high gears, so these smaller doubles really make sense.

@acbarnard Год назад

Great video! I love the Silver low/low in 34/24, perfect for an old guy like me who turns 61 this month. If I max out 34/11 I just coast. 😅 I installed the VO Grand Cru 46/30 on my daughter’s Pass Hunter. It’s a beautiful crank but one thing to be aware of is the minimal clearance between the crank arm and the outer ring, which is great for the knees but pretty severely limits which front derailleurs will work. Another classic is the Sugino XD2 triple, probably my favorite of all time and still a super deal. I don’t believe it’s rated for off road use, so it may not be useful for many in your audience, but it’s hard to beat for road use. Remove the big ring and replace it with a guard and you have a really nice 34/24 + guard.

@jacobatherton8339 Год назад

Square taper has been around so long, it just works. Looks better than hollow cranks imo. love my old 130/74 triple. I run it 39/28 with a 44 outer chainring as a bashplate. I can manually shift to the outer ring if I really want to use it.

@trueartvandal Год назад

I'm in a big triple groove right now. Got a 52-42-30 on my all road bike and a classic 42-32-22 on my ATB, both used from my local co-op. Middle ring and largest cog is a good combo for max efficiency, and shifting to a smaller chainring after that as a bailout gear makes for an easy shift

@lunam7249 Год назад

triples!!!❤

@johnfowler4820 Год назад

I have been using spa cycle chainsets for three years now and find them excellent, unbelievable value, very versatile and well made.

@mattdelcomyn8012 Год назад

A GREAT vid Russ. A badly needed overview of non aspirational/realistic cranks for adventure cycling. I’ve not seen such a great synopsis anywhere else. Thanks.

@trevekneebone369 Год назад

I have created my own Campagnolo 46/30 sub-compact from a Record Triple crankset. 46T 135bcd ring in the middle position. 30T 74bcd ring in the inner position. Of course, I can go much lower with 74bcd. To keep things looking nice, I have a chainguard in the outer position. Looks lovely 👌

@SteveSmith-bq9rk Год назад

The Sugino cranks and Stronglight chain rings from Spa Cycles are excellent and very good value too. I used them to fit a Powertap C1 power meter to a 1991 Rossin Matrix. So that's a left/right power meter on a square taper crankset with toeclips - and it works a treat! My Audax bike had a Stronglight 80 crankset running 46+32T, long before it was fashionable. Those cranks will allegedly take a 28T inner also available from Spa Cycles.

@herethere2518 Год назад

Splurged on a Silver 2-piece 32/22 a while back and am delighted to no end. Spends most of its time on the local singletrack trails (which are expansive, technical & year-round here in Gorham, Maine thanks to our local army of NEMBA volunteers :), but also commutes/runs errands, etc. Outer guard is thick enough to bash into occasional fallen trees without issue while smooth enough to slough off my slacks with nary a tear as well, and was able to align chainline to my 11-spd BridgeClub no problem (plus included rings run 11 without issue). Paired to albatross bars (with pogies:) & microshift thumby (indexing a bit touchy with Deore, but a fraction of Shimano's 11 plus multiple adapt's: $$$). Happy, happy! My other fav is the samox crank for direct-mount rings. May be a square taper but cost me $25 and I was able to mount a WolfTooth camo bashguard spider with elliptic s.s. ring! Sand it down and drill a few holes with shallow countersinks and it even looks retro-modern!!

@nickporter3531 Год назад

Glad to see Spa getting a mention! I have a set of 42/26’s from them. Excellent value and great quality crankset. Lots of other very useful stuff of their website.

@beemrdon52 Год назад

I like triples. Sugino offers beautiful cold forged cranks in 48-38-28 or 46-36-26 and other combos. These have been around for decades. Price is around $200 to $300 . Also, Shimano makes the Sora trekking series crankset that comes stock on the Salsa Marrakesh touring bikes 48-36-24, as I recall. Not the most beautiful but works well.

@jonbingham7525 Год назад

The Spa cycles are a touring triple crank adapted into a super compact double with a chainguard in the outside position - great quality for the price and the square taper allows chain line to be easily adapted

@eph.merelta9664 Год назад

It is, too bad they won't ship to the EU. It's comparable to the Albion crankset (or even the same-ish?). Edit: they do ship small items again!

@icenijohn2 Год назад

Another option, especially if you want/need true low gears for loaded touring, is to buy older Suntour XC Pro/Expert MicroDrive cranks with the 94/56mm BCD, then you can easily achieve a 6:1 or greater overall range of gearing. I have this on my 531ST touring bike, and using a 12-34 cogset and 20/32/46 chainrings I have a 15.9" low to 103.5" high with a 6.5 overall range, just right for getting heavy loads over the mountains without destroying my knees, yet the higher gears are good for unloaded rides as well. The 56mm inner chainrings still show up on eBay, and being steel they last a very long time. I rode across the US many years ago with a SR Apex 5TG crankset (a copy of the Stronglight 99) with 52/36 rings and a Regina 14-28 freewheel, and my knees are still hurting from that. By the time I later toured India and Nepal I was using 44/28 and 13-34, so my present gearing is just a logical evolution from that.

@imrevadasz1086 Год назад

Yeah I'm I'm currently trying to find a crankset for 94/58 (5 arm mount, whatever the exact mm are), because I have 40/30/20 chainrings left from a used crankset with extremely seized pedals, and that would be just perfect for long days in the Alps with a 12-36 or 11-40 cassette.

@MelvinHughesatp Год назад

The White Industries Eno crank uses a square-taper bottom bracket and is compatible with the VBC chainrings. I love my square tapers!

@donnyo65 Год назад

Interesting video Russ, I am still running 3 x 9 on my tourer as it just refuses to fail! this has 11-36 Shimano on the rear and 42 - 32 - 22 on the front. This gives a huge range even running 29" x 50mm tyres but I rarely use the 42 apart from on the road and unloaded. I keep threatening to convert the bike to a super low two ring x 11 speed mtb setup using one of those huge rear rings but this system just keeps going!

@MisterAndyS Год назад

I splurged on the René Herse 46/30 and have no regrets. I'm at 12000 miles and still on my first set of sprockets, first cassette, second chain. These suckers are lasting! I did recently buy a replacement 46T ring when they came in stock, just so I'll have it when I need it. I'm in the 46T 95% of the time.

@SurpriseMeJT Год назад

Which front derailleur are you using?

@PghPA81 Год назад

So glad to hear you mention a 42-28 on a Salsa Vaya. I have been running a 42-28 with an 11-36 cassette on my Vaya for about 8 years putting thousands of miles on this set up including 6 loaded tours (yes of course replacing chain rings, cassettes and chains). This gearing has been perfect for me. Anything bigger than 42 teeth on a chain ring is unnecessary for party pace. Unloaded I spend most of the time in the 42 tooth chain ring and loaded I spend most of the time in the 28 tooth chain ring.

@lunam7249 Год назад

yep my friend..you have discovered true cycling...not that fucking corn cob bullshit on tour de france bikes!! megarange 34 tooth forever!!

@altaloma7789 Год назад

Glad you have addressed this subject. Gearing has always been a problem for some of us, especially us mules that wind up hauling trailers or other people's stuff on tours. I gave up on aspirational gears after considering the tourist's number one rule: "Never go faster than you are willing to crash". I'm running a Shimano triple 46-36(?)-22 with a highly modified rear cassette 14-50. People who don't pull trailers don't know why I'd want such low gears, but when towing 100 lb. (45 kg) it is absolutely necessary.

@jefflingo5322 Год назад

Nice video Russ - glad you cover realistic gearing and the stuff you use. Another good budget choice is the Dimension Cyclocross crank arm set (110/74) that can be setup as a triple or double. I run it as double with 38 - 24 Origin8 chainrings. You can find it online at Modern Bike.

@greggr1591 Год назад

I got a Silver 32/22 on my RivGus and it's been perfect: I can spin up nearly every grade I've ridden (except the insane ones) and with standard 9-speed in back I have plenty of top end for my retrogrouch legs to play with.

@stuartpotter4923 Год назад

Great content on practical alternatives to the mainstream, as always. Worth noting that if you like SqTaper (like I do) and also like the look of the White Industries VBC double, or even their single ring options, they also do a SqTp version as well as the 30mm spindle External BB options.

@mattebrittenham-jones938 Год назад

I just wanted to say that while I agree that the SunXCD crankset is a fantastic crankset. I have one on my Bridgestone RB-T set up 3x with the 110 BCD spider with a VO Drillium 48t, TA 36t, and an old Suntour 24t in the granny spot. I'd like to get another one to run 1x on my Gorilla Monsoon, which is how I know they are not available seemingly ANYWHERE. I really hope SunXCD does another run of them, because I love them and that 50.4/110 BCD spider is also a great piece they should make more of. With it, you can use old TA and Stronglight 50.4 bcd cranks with the vast array of 110 and 74 bcd rings on the market. The VO Grand Cru 50.4 is a reasonable alternative, but they don't sell it without the rings, so you'll have to pay $200 and throw away the rings if you want something different than what comes on them. I wish VO would sell more chainrings, but also I wish they would sell their cranks sans rings so we could buy our preferred combo elsewhere, and I wish they would sell a 50.4 narrow/wide single ring in 38t or 40t for 1x

@newoldsteel Год назад

With my vintage bikes and even a neo retro one, I ALWAYS go with square taper. I’ve had some for almost 5 years and they still spin silent and fast. Plus how easy it is to adjust the Q factor if you have a few laying around when going from frame to frame!

@marcusathome Год назад

Thanks for pointing out these great choices! Apart from being functional I think the chainrings are a defining part of the design of a bike - so don't be afraid to try something different!

@VishalNaik-ux2sk Год назад

My eyes have been thoroughly opened. Thanks a ton for that

@lostisleminstrel Год назад

Thank you for talking about the tremendous overgearing on bicycles. My 1x10 has a front 34 tooth, rear 11-36. Yes it is low geared but I have spent more time in 34 11 while riding. I spends my money and want to use all those gears instead of saving them for the day I plummet off a cliff. Keep up the good work demystifying the hype.

@jemmgillies Год назад

I’ve got the VO 46/30 set on my Cross Check, love them!

@aamj50 Год назад

My Trek 2020 520 Grando came stock with 42/28 and 11-36 10 speed. I think it's a fantastic combo and probably the last of its kind that you can get off the showroom floor from a major manufacturer.

@JaccoSW Год назад

Two thing; 1. You don't even have to rummage through a bin for the 50.4 chainrings. Spécialités T.A. still makes them to this day! 2. Another 46/30 crank is made by the British Chater-Lea.

@ninacnmmsncom Год назад

I changed out the chainring on my Liv road bike. Went with FSA SLK. Very pleased and didn’t break the bank either.

@snafu0o0o Год назад

I went with Velo Orange and also found other parts at the local co-op and it went great. The BB width has been a little challenging due to my ignorance but it’s gettin solved easy enough now.

@lunam7249 Год назад

most BB are in between 67mm - 73mm this will fit most cranksets with or without spacers..

@tillman5529 Год назад

Great video! I recently tried to find a budget friendly sub compact double and the spa cycles kind of crank (Sugino XD2 copy) was what i decided to go with, if i would set up my old trek 970 with brifters. Well i probably wont, because the bike is unfortunately a bit too small and just doesnt justify the investment but thats another story. Here in Europe there is also the Stronglight Impact Crankset available, depending on where you can source it for under 100 Euros, too.

@leightonbohl1920 Год назад

Hi, Russ - The Spa Cycles compact cranks are copies of the Sugino Alpina 2 triple (mentioned in Frank Berto’s history of derailleur gears) for a fraction of the Japanese maker’s prices. They are eminently versatile, from 24 teeth on the 74 BCD inside lugs, to beyond the mid-50 tooth on the outside of the 110 outside spider. Rings are produced by Spa, or you can buy pricier kit in the form of TA rings. On my bikes I use them as a triple (with Dura Ace 7700 derailleurs), a double (with Campag Nuovo Record derailleurs), and a single (middle ring with shims to take the place of the outside ring on the spider) on a converted Kona 90s MTB with a Shimano Altus 8 speed rear derailleur and an 11-34 rear cassette. I would not use any other crankset . . . Perfect! The Fossill

@lukehendrickson3669 Год назад

I have a Sugino-made White Industries crankset (44-32-22) on my Riv and it’s both cool af. It’s supremely practical as I live in a hilly area and so climb and descend quite a bit. I think Silver or RH would be my choice were it not for my WI. Great vid dude!

@davidhale1568 Год назад

Ha I’ve got one of them on my old titanium airborne works a treat

@CrustyRusty38 Год назад

I tried the Rene Herse crankset two years ago and love it! It is a high price but the quality is unbeatable. I bought the crankset to tour, I am setup with an 8 spd cassette with 11x34. The rings I chose are a 46 and 26. Last year I was on a long tour of 8159 miles crossing the US east-west and then west-east. I carried 50 pounds of gear on my bike and the 24 tooth ring lasted 20,000 miles before replacing. I will be touring again this year and wanted a fresh set of rings so I changed them with life still in them.

@JonathanBays Год назад

I use the Velo Orange its great looks great on a retro bike and gives good low gears for older riders

@scottcopeland7457 10 месяцев назад

Thanks Russ. I’ve decided to give the New Albion Clipper crank a try. Should be arriving this afternoon.

@michaelruelle5508 Год назад

Got the IRD Vortex for my bike for randoneuring. I am loving the step down to 46/30 for more spinning up those climbs.

@fancytyme Год назад

I've used the VO, IRD, and René Herse cranks. They've all been great in my experience. I also have a '53 Galmozzi Super Competizione with the Stronglight 49D crank that the VO is based on -- modern materials are a lot better! I like the Herse cranks the most for elegance and the sheer range of options. I'm also in the process of turning a 3x Sugino Impel into a double - 36t Spécialités T.A. "middle" ring (Wolf Tooth narrow chainring bolts) and 22t Vuelta inner. That might be too spinny but we'll see!

@gearedforadventure Год назад

Great video! I agree that MTB double works absolutely great for touring or bikepacking. Not that long ago you could get Shimano MTB cranks in 38-24 which was spot on in terms of low-to-high gears. For some reason Shimano recently switched to having 10t space between gears, so now you get 38-28, 36-26 etc. Still, 36-26 will let you climb any gradient you'd ever need (even with panniers) and 36 isn't that bad for flat too (unless you use super skinny tires, then it becomes a bit low). It is also possible to use brifters with MTB front derailleurs, a bit tricky to set-up but with careful adjustment it can be done and works fine. That being said, without bags or panniers "standard gravel" 46-30 should be enough to climb anything.

@johnkem2630 Год назад

Agree Russ. A smaller chainring is lighter than the 11 & 12 speed cassette cogs. One can also use 10, 9 or 8 speed cassettes for weight savings and use a shorter & stronger chain with the benefit of a better chain-line. The longer life and lower expense of less gears is another benefit. One can also eliminate the front derailleur and use the smaller chainring for only the anticipated steep climbs as you once demonstrated. 👍

@chrisw2208 Год назад

Can vouch for the Spa Cycles crankset! Got the 40/24 on my 90s MTB gravel grinder and it's great!

@richardcarr6493 Год назад

l ve been running 46t single with 28t bail out and changed to a 44t this for easier pedaling into the winds last summer and biking with kids alot too :) This is mounted to my old steel miyata via deore 175 mtb cranks 12-32 out back

@sagehiker Год назад

Feel like joining the biking Contras against the Eagles! There are so many more great crank choices out there using square taper bottom brackets than there are for press fit or external bearing types. It took me a while but after too many times having to tweak a Box 9 or Eagle GX system while my resto-mod 2x or even 3x keep spinning, I am a convert. This is great peek into your experience. I have also watched some of the pitfalls with Henry Wildeberry.

@chrisdaigle5410 Год назад

SRAM high end double MTB cranks were very nice. With XX,, they had carbon cranksets with several different lengths, two q factors and chainring choices. On my touring bike, I use the 42/28 with a dropper link and a cassette with 11-42. So I have low enough gears to tour with a load and I use road double tap levers because 10 speed in SRAM can go back and forth between road and MTB shifters. Exact actuation is what they call it. It also uses a regular GXP bottom bracket.

@slowwerthensnot Год назад

Long live Square Taper!

@Jacob99174 Год назад

Objectively, why?

@slowwerthensnot Год назад

@@Jacob99174 doesn’t require anything crazy for bb , cheap bb last quite a long time, I seem to get a year plus without creaking, fine tune chainline with different bb spindles…..

@Jacob99174 Год назад

@@slowwerthensnot limits your options for cranksets, however I can dig that!

@Ferrichrome Год назад

I have a 20 year old bike that does not creak, I don’t know what type of crank or BB it is though

@ZhengZL69 Год назад

I feel like square tapers are harder to maintain because you need more tools (the spindle extractor) and I feel something like Shimano's hollowtech system is more efficient. You can do everything with an Allen key and it is usually both lighter and maintenance free as long as the tolerance on the bb shell is good and the bearings are well sealed.

@racerx8410712 Год назад

Russ you know I've been preaching 2x, four bolt mountain forever!!! Thank you for coming around! Now just take my other advice and run a 11-36 in the back with your 38-24 front combo!

@keithc5729 Год назад

Thanks for the great video, always like alternative gear ratios. I am running GRX with a Wickwerks 41 tooth big ring. The Wickwerks 41 tooth big ring bolts right up to the shimano grx crank. I end up with a 30x41.

@LammersQuarter Год назад

Cool piece! Square tapered is a no go if you are a hard charging (MTB/Gravel) rider over 85 kilos. It’s a mechanical standard because it’s the cheapest way to interface cranks with a bottom bracket, not the best way/better way. All the square tapered cranks I tried failed (came loose, deformed or broke at the interface). I have been on the 24mm Shimano threaded bb interface for more than 20 years. Cheap, simple and effective. Never a problem and all the gears you want cheaply available.

@LammersQuarter Год назад

@@PRH123 they didn’t jump their bikes to my knowledge…

@rodneynoriel1528 Год назад

If you’re doing a vintage road… never forget the Campagnolo gran sport 116bcd. They are a great way to run a semi compact on a vintage super record. I hoarded a bunch of 50t and 35 t chainrings before people discovered them.

@lunam7249 Год назад

most campanolo vintage is 135mm BDC , very expensive and hard to find along with suntour biopace

@123moof Год назад

My 2x bikepacker is setup with 34/24 and 11-42 with 29x2.5 and has been pretty decent, but I agree it is not hard to spin out when unloaded, or on any sort of downhill. I also recently picked up a 90’s 26er, despite your warnings, with 44/32/22 setup with 11-34 out back, and it has reminded me that triple rings are pretty great at both ends. At $100 it might be cheaper to buy an old bike than a new crankset if you want to try things out (if you ignore the couple hundreds bucks in parts and a few weekends to get the rust heap rolling nicely again).

@ehounshell Год назад

Love my 44/32/22 * 11-34 dadbike. 22 for hauling the kid trailer over the mountain. 44 for zooming across town.

@johnbrann75 Год назад

I find crank sets to be difficult to find and very expensive. Difficult to find meaning I don't want to buy anything from outside my country (Canada) and get stung with rediculous shipping and duty. You've given some great options, thanks. I've actually bought second hand bikes just so I could get the crank set.

@McGowJobs Год назад

I just put a later set of (used) later (NJS - 9/16-14) Stronglight arms on my singlespeed. Square taper is life.

@JohnPilling25 Год назад

Great summary Russ. I’m about to upgrade our two bikes that we keep in France (yes 90’s mtb’s with 3x7) to something a bit more capable as not only do we go out gravel riding on the D and F roads in the Pyrenees, but we also need rear racks and panniers to do our grocery/wine shopping and it’s pretty hilly. I like 1x and my bike is going to a 40 to 11-48 setup (microShift advent x with 104 bcd shimano z- crank and a hollowtech bb) but the gearing is still too high for me getting up places like Rocacorba in Banyoles. My cheap fix would be to move the 40 ring to the outside of the 104 bcd spider and fit a 30T ring on the inside. As you mentioned you spend 95% of the time in the larger of the 2 rings anyway - and as the rings are n/w - a front derailleur is no use - I would simply stop - move the chain to the smaller front ring by hand - then pedal up the hill. Once at the top I’d stop and move it back. My wife has solved her problem with the hills by getting a used e-bike as her mtb has a 7 speed freewheel and cannot be upgraded. I’m hoping to sell that one for a few euros when we are back in France next May.

@michaelhayward7572 Год назад

Difficult to find a 30T with a 104 BCD...

@jonathanwilcox9592 Год назад

I've recently custom my Stronglight Impact triple (110/74) to 40/24 without a chainguard. It has been hard to find a suitable front mech to use with shimano brifters that has a short enough cage to mount close to the outer chainring without fouling the chainstay. I might add a large chainguard to allow use of typical road front mech. Currently using an XT 2x10 front mech but the cable pull is wrong - fortunately my brifters are 3x so there is plenty of additional pull to shift, which is rare and predictable. It's fine because the shifting is infrequent but I am keeping my eye out for a well priced short-cage front mech that will not foul the chainstay e.g. IRD sub-c, Microshift 74s, BURD, Shimano CX70. I totally agree with Russ that 40/24 is spot on for recreational all-road riding.

@oheso Год назад

Sugino OX2, which fits a modern (Shimano 24mm) bottom bracket. I'm running a 44-30. Apparently it can go as low as 27 on the inner ring. Very happy.

@Ey_up Год назад

Another boost for Spa Cycles' TD-2 cranks and custom rings. I run a 46-30- bash guard on a Shimano 113 square taper and a 2x Shimano l05 fd on my Homer. 38-24-bash guard on 118 Stronglight square taper with a Shimano Exage 3x fd (28.6 readily available and cheap on ebay), for the day I go triple on my Atlantis (max 2.4 tyres). Spa Cycles can give all the chainline/bb options advice you may need. Unless you get the boss on a bad day, the staff are superb! The opposing reviews you may find always make me laugh but having spoken directly with staff, they are very friendly!

@SeanKeesler Год назад

42 & 26t Spécialités TA Pro 5 Vis rings worked great for me on the VO Grand Cru cranks.

@PathLessPedaledTV Год назад

Were u able to reuse the VO crank bolts or did you have to order $80 worth of bolts to make it work?

@SeanKeesler Год назад

@@PathLessPedaledTV I bought the bike used... So I didn't have to... Not sure if that was required in the initial build...

@chrisgress4086 Год назад

I run a XT 10 speed double crank, 26-36. It works well with my 11-42 cassette on the rear with a Microshift rear.

@kimstrickland65 Год назад

I you are not afraid of triples, the Sugino XD2 500 is still available, and you can set it up easily as a 46-34-24 (smallest middle is 34, smallest 3rd is 24). Again, another square taper bottom bracket (JIS) is used, but these are not hard to find. The cost is reasonable, and the finish is good.

@andrewduncan4908 Год назад

Also Sugino doubles with external bb can be got in the 46-30 range and even in 44-27. Super high quality as are their bb’s. Bit expensive but super quality. Just order them direct from jp.

@Fatbutnotflat Год назад

Is sugino mighty taper = JIS?

@kimstrickland65 Год назад

@@Fatbutnotflat I just tried out a Sugino Mighty Comp that I pulled from a bike recently, and tried it out on some JIS and ISO (Campy) bottom brackets. It fits on both, which is not surprising, since they have the same taper. The taper extends a little bit farther on ISO, so the narrow end is a little narrower on the ISO bb. With a bit of wear on the crank tapers, you might run the risk of bottoming out on an ISO bb spindle when you tighten the crank bolts, but for one in very good condition there should not be a problem. I would still use anti-seize compound on the flats before assembling. The reason I did not mention the old Sugino Mighty is that the BCD of the crank is 144mm, which limits you to a small chainring of 42 teeth (there were a few 41 tooth 144 BCD chainrings, but those are a bit rare), which is a bit large for the small ring for touring or poorly paved roads.

@faz723 Год назад

You were running the Sugino OX 601/901 cranks many years ago! Can run almost any combination with them (110/74) - 89 pounds for the spa cranks - currently 108 dollars..

@scottallison7157 Год назад

Maybe someone already noticed this detail, in comparing the Sugino XD2 to the SPA CYCLES TD2/RD2, the SPA TD2/RD2 has all 5 chainring bolts exposed, minor detail, but worth noting. Didn't know about the TD2/RD2, wow, an insane price point, wondering if there's some sort of hidden catch? Love that you can get a silver set with a black bash guard.

@jonahbert111 Год назад

I have a 54T chainring that works just great on my Zizzo folding bike with 20" wheels. LOL The Liberte model comes with a hollow crank, 8 spd cassette.

@eduardbenda3498 Год назад

You can swap GRX chainrings only - this is probably the cheapest option - for instance company Gebhardt in Czech republics makes GRX chainring in wide range for 1x and 2x drivetrains. I am using 26/42 from them with no issues

@rollinrat4850 Год назад

Old school 110/74 mtb cranks work perfect as doubles. You can find these practically free if you look. I run 24/42 on one bike with a newer mtb double Deore front derailleur (m616) Shifts great! Best thing you can do is get an adjustable chainline type BB like a Phil Wood or older Race Face. IRD's newer BBs are fine as well. I just set up my monster cross/bike packer with 94/58 mtb cranks. I'm running seriously low 20/36 c'rings on this one for all day loaded big mountain trail rides. On these sort of set ups, finding the correct front derailleur is the KEY. The mtb double derailleurs work well because they allow getting the cage close to the big ring without the bottom tip of the cage touching the chainstay. Triple or road derailleur won't allow that. It took me quite awhile to find this front derailleur and dial it all in. Front derailleurs can be tricky on a custom set up. Friction shifting is also the bomb! You're not limited by silly unnecessary clicks for 2 gears. Friction allows infinitely trimming the derailleur. There's no point in indexing two freakin gears. Triple cranks are truly the best for long mixed road/singletrack, all day rides. But you need to understand how to shift!

@ehounshell Год назад

What are some MTB double FDs to search for? Would be grateful for Shimano parts numbers, for example.

@rollinrat4850 Год назад

@@ehounshell Shimano M616 for standard round seat tubes on my bikes. I believe it works as top or bottom pull. They include shims for different diameter seat tubes. 28.6-34.9mm I think. Anytime you install a custom, non stock gear set up, there can be fit issues and fiddling around required. You may need to buy extra parts to find what's perfect. The Deore series is affordable enough to buy a bit extra. You can always sell it later. If you have direct mount, e type or other proprietary type front derailleurs, good luck. Those are a certain challenge for custom non stock gearing. If I set up custom gearing for customers, they will pay extra for my time and the parts involved. Front derailleurs can be trickier than rears. Rear derailleurs are more 'standardized' in regards to how they bolt on. Frames tubes, geo and gearing are all different. Tube diameter, tube shape, frame geo, pull direction and other variables effect what front derailleur you can use. It took me a bit of experimenting to find out what worked on my bikes. The front derailleur you use depends totally on the frame and your crank. For my normal and very standard, old school metal frames, I use standard round clamps. Some of the front derailleurs I still use are over 40 years old. I hate proprietary junk and avoid it like the freakin plague. It's why my bikes are mostly decades old and many are custom built EXACTLY the way I want them. I never ever use my money to purchase compromise. I get exactly what I wanted and it's perfectly reliable for really long rides.

@gabrielleavitt1838 Год назад

Just put the New Albion 46/30 on my Diverge. Great value for the extremely low price. Solid so far. I have a vintage White Industries mountain double that you have inspired me to break out for my Frankenstein gravel bike. Had been running it 1x, but having a bail out gear is a great idea! Thanks for reminding me about them.

@rollinrat4850 Год назад

You can even run a 1x set up like that with a bailout granny gear and no front derailleur/shifter. Use a 2x or 3x crank. I like old mtb triples because they're cheap or even free! When the climb gets too hard, Stop, catch your breath, enjoy your surroundings, 'shift' the chain by hand. Move on. This usually isn't a race. It's supposed to be 'party pace'. No stress, no rush!

@gabrielleavitt1838 Год назад

@@rollinrat4850 great idea!

@rollinrat4850 Год назад

@@gabrielleavitt1838 Russ talked about down shifting with his toe. Years ago, as a teen I first started riding my dads '50s Raliegh road racer. The front derailleur broke, so I pulled it off and started shifting by hand without stopping. I still do this once in awhile, but I ride offroad mostly. I'm also not nearly as flexible as I used to be!

@ME-hm7zm Год назад

I down-geared an old 90s road bike with the New Albion SC 42-26t cranks - works pretty well, though sometimes the chain likes to fall between the rings.

@bikenraider99 Год назад

I have a couple of older Truvativ FireX cranks that I have a hard time parting with. One is on my 1999 Fisher Mtb and the other is waiting to be mounted to a bike; probably my Gitane or Bianchi tourer. I like trying aftermarket cranks; Race Face was my ultimate.

@veloaa-montreal6924 Год назад

I've been shopping for an XC hardtail for bikepacking and it's virtually impossible to buy anything with a double nowadays. I was looking at the Trek Police bike online, it has a 10-speed 11-42 cassette with a 26/36, I thought "wow! that's the perfect setup!!" And it comes with 29x2.2" tires and a rear rack!!! It's very telling about the industry that they would build such a practical bike and not offer it to the public.

@outtatrex Год назад

Thanks, great stuff !

@electrocit673 Год назад

peterwhite cyccles sells the TA 40 large and a 26 small ring. you can also get the SunXCD 50.4 chainrings their small is 28.

@eisernerbursche Год назад

Thanks! For Germany, I can recommend Mr Moskopp and his "radplan-Delta". I got an absolutely beautiful 2x square taper crankset ("Dolomiti II") equipped with 42-26 TA-chainrings to run my 29er touring bike on 2.25 inch tyres. I could freely choose w/e combo. Dolomiti II uses 104 and 64 as diameters. I use a 107mm Token on 68mm BSA standard. Rear is 142mm.

@jonobuckley3215 Год назад

Spa Cycles, Harrogate UK. Great shop. I renovate old Dawes bikes and although their website looks old fashioned, the service is excellent. I must have spent a small fortune there over the last 20 years.

@Martin-on2pp Год назад

Most cranksets inspired by Stronglight from France. I had one, really great. Not anymore, I ride a Santos Travel Light with Rohloff.

@stephensaines7100 Год назад

I can personally pledge for Spa Cycles and ordering chain-rings from them! I have a coveted pair of Stronglight 99 triples, got a great deal on them brand new C$125 but with an awkward set of ratios for mid and outer. I bumped the mid (46t) up to the outer, and use a 40t, which I ordered, for the mid. The existing 28t inner remains. (I have a brand new pair of SR 30s if ever needed, SR being the only other known user of 86mm BCD rings) I replaced my TA Cyclotouriste Pro V set, couldn't get replacement rings anymore in North Am. And here's the upside: Spa Cycles not only carry all the replacement rings (even tooth numbers only) for TA, they do also for Stronglight, and have an exclusive supply arrangement with SL to distribute all the SL and TA rings (SL made and continue to make TA rings), and at a *very good price*! Even with postage, the price was cheaper than I was getting the rings here in Toronto when they were available by local distributors. Remember, the UK prices are advertised with VAT included. For export, that is taken off the advertised price. I called Spa before ordering, incredibly helpful and informed folks. They mail by airpost, it took less than two weeks to arrive.

@stephensaines7100 Год назад

If and when the mid ring wears to the point of replacing, I'd order a 38t instead of 40t just to more evenly spread the ratios.

@jeffandersen6233 Год назад

Great content and food for thought. I love these "small cranks as they provide loads of cruising gears and no having to walk gears. I recently tried a bike with a 50/34 and mostly used the 34. A 44 big ring would have been perfect. I wonder about the big jump shifting though. Any issues with 14 or 16 tooth jumps?

@tuomaskankaanpaa1490 5 месяцев назад

Built a bike once for a shorter rider with an origin8 crankset. A nice looking 110mm bcd square taper crank which start from 140mm arms. Don't know how well they are available today though.

@turboseize Год назад

The Sun and the René Herse look nice. I am missing a Stronglight triple, though! They look nice, and with the triple, offer plenty of range. So you can have a bailout to get you up really steep and loose stuff, a medium ring (39 up to 42) to spend most of the day in and a big ring that is actually useful downhill or with a tailwind (i.e. not smaller than 50). Z-Light triple looks particularly gorgeous and slightly retro. I am currently undeicided whether I should re-use my grandfathers Nuvo Record for my randonneur restauration (but that would necessity finding smaller rings - 56/42 seem a bit impractical once climbing or hauling stuff is involved), or whether I should go the triple route.

@agelaonsoikea Год назад

I'm happy with 28-38 set up or a single ring 38 crank. Cassette is 11-46 but I never use 11t cog.

@boathemian7694 Год назад

I’ve made do with a cheap 30/44 tooth on my old cyclogravel bike but that 38/24 would makes the hills a bit easier

@rikmiddleton974 Год назад

Hadn't heard of any of these until you got to "Spa". (I'm UK) They are the solution as far as I am concerned and can vouch for them. I've been on them for years.

@That5ivef1ngerdhand Год назад

Word of warning about sun xcd cranks Is to put Loctite on the chainring bolts I have heard multiple accounts and personally experienced all the chainring bolts loosening while riding

@charlesmansplaining Год назад

I want to try some of those Rene'Herse double cranks they claim are compatible with modern 11 speed and Di2. I currently use a 50-34 Shimano 9000 Dura-Ace and it seems perfect. I'm willing to drop to the 48-33 I guess. As you say, the larger rings are just a remnant of an old era. I've heard that a common problem with riders of the old days was they blew out their knees and other problems from the big gearing. I'm not a racer and don't do group riding so this crankset might make cycling even more enjoyable.

@_rakkim Год назад

Just the video I needed 👍

@jonathanwilcox9592 Год назад

I would also add it is worth looking for older Stronglight 80, 99 and 100 series 86bcd chainsets that can take 28t chainrings.

@GeekonaBike Год назад

30t small ring w/ the huge cogs available today will still get you a gear that is slower than getting off the bike & walking. Back in the day Triples often has a 28t granny gear paired to much smaller big cog on the rear.

@lunam7249 Год назад

yep. correct.. a 30 tooth nice for road bikes....some mountains are super steep and older people dont like the knee pain so prefer a a 22 front with 34 rear ....yes, maybe "slower" that walking up mountain, but wayyyyy more effficient and less tiring....😮🎉❤

@rollinrat4850 Год назад

It's good to get off the bike sometimes and walk. Use some different muscles. Smell the flowers. It's not a race. It's party pace!

@lunam7249 Год назад

@@rollinrat4850 yes, sometimes i go to the gym and do deep squats to get the different muscle groups worked...

@themindunset Год назад

Love this!

@davorinrusevljan6440 Год назад

There are quite a few affordable 3 by cranks with external bearings BB on ali express

@jonathankeenan5163 Год назад

Square taper all the way. Last 10x longer than the dross that was supposed to replace it. A big thumbs up for Spa Cycles. Their web site is like a time warp to 1990's homespun web design but a solid company that know their stuff. Also a shout out for Middleburn cranks (UK company) that make some great options. A well timed video as I am just mid-struggle deciding the transmission for a new build. Glad you made it back from Europe safe and sound!

@ollekgspd Год назад

Shimano 600 38/26 and DuraAce 7403 42/26 with chainrings porteur Stronglight (tripleizer).

@jellyfishsalad5926 Год назад

Square taper is great. Can't say I miss cotter pins though.

@NotALizardPerson81 Год назад

You don't miss custom fitting/filing every pin to the crank/bottom bracket interface? What! 😂 Seriously though, some of those old pantographed and chrome plated thin cranks are really cool.

@James-gx7sk Год назад

Sugino! or eBay 90's MTB triple.

@severs1966 Год назад

The Velo-Orange crank is a copy of the very long-established and super-high quality TA crank. TA pattern chainrings are still widely available new. 94 BCD dates back to Suntour "Microdrive", originally manufactured by Sugino (the most popular model being the Impel).

@PathLessPedaledTV Год назад

TA rings aren't "widely available" in the US. Literally one dealer with no online shop, who you have to order thru the phone or email.

@charliewhiskey8440 Год назад

I love square taper - adjustable chain line to suit your Frankenstein build, comes with whatever chainring combinations you desire with a touring triple 110/74 BCD crank arm, and if you want it light you can go for Ti BB. Think it's not as stiff as a "modern" external BB crankset? How often do the great majority of cyclists sprint out of the saddle?

@Fake_Name12345 Год назад

For ~$100 MTB single cranks offer modern bottom bracket options and chainrings down into the 20's

@buyung94 Год назад

U forget about some brand. There's still middleburn, available in taper or external bb. And dixna la crank available in external bb. They over some wide variety of tooth combination from compact to speedy side.

@PathLessPedaledTV Год назад

Like I said, talking about cranks I've personally tried or have good familiarity with.

@sadhu6740 Год назад

VO drillum w/campagnolo 10spd record on the litespeed. IRD 46×30 on the 27×1 1/8 wheeled nuovo record vintage bike. Both work perfectly and look proper on an older bike. Superglad these companies exist