These Illegal Plays Need to caught and stopped! - RULINGS 

Not all cards are the exact same 1 for 1. Take eradicator virus for example , the reason ocg can target it with rollback without doubt is because it reads differently than the tcg. In tcg it is dependent on HJ so make sure to ask. I believe the wording differs with the TCG copy stating “after this card activation”. Since roll back only copies the effect to destroy either spell or traps and not the whole cards texts, the activation of eradicator itself could be seen as a requirement for the effect to resolve

​@@littletlc3155It still sucks, you should be able to have a consistent end result of a certain situation every time it happens, not depending on how the judge feels

@@littletlc3155 have you seen any head judge rule that Rollback cannot copy regular Welcome in the GY? I haven't. And it exposes personal bias since welcome by definition should also be illegal since the fiend lock again uses "card activation". I've run this as a test on 6 separate occasions on fellow judges and every single one that denied EEV fell for it. I've even heard "f* Lab" as I was leaving. I should have escalated this issue (I've been a judge since 2013 and my word would matter) but I was playing actively while I didn't want to make a scene for the organizer to deal with.

@@FrankOcean-- you are 100% correct. Never accept a ruling dispute you KNOW you are correct without appeal (but be sure about it, don't waste everyone's time for being stubborn) then if you can go the extra step of finding a ruling on the database for proof.

@@littletlc3155 english is a shit language and the only reason we use it is because if we didnt we wouldnt be allowed money

As a melodious player there are still times I forget Aria's targeting effect affects BOTH players and I would catch myself. I think aria should get an errata.

I was about to comment on situations like this. When it happens once, assuming it was an honest mistake is fine. On the 2nd try however you should call a judge even if you get called a shark etc. Calling the judge and the opponent receiving a PE - Minor will have more impact on the opponent to REMEMBER the interaction in the future, but more importantly this will save both you and future opponents of that player from the hardest cheating to punish as a judge; "Soft-cheating". There is always the possibility of stress etc making your opponent "soft-cheating" without that intent, but unfortunately, there is an equal chance of maliciously trying to gain an unfair advantage in the situation at the expense of you being a good sport about it. I have tracked players through tournaments repeatedly "soft-cheat" and the illegal interaction was 100% of the time in their favor.

Call a judge over, because this is a PE Minor. If they go on and just hope for you to mess up once, the 2nd Judge Call for this issue will be an upgrade to a game loss. It is important so that your opponent cannot take advantage of it and try to soft cheat

Scumbags like bro, do you have nothing better to do than cheat in a children’s card game lol it’s definitely the cringest of cringe behavior

All yugioh players should play master duel to get a better understanding of how the cards work In real life!! 💯

Are also the people who argue on their mom's grave that you can't use a monsters effect under skill drain

@@thebringer-dreamerdragon-6067 🤣🤣

I dont play master duel but i can read and understand

@@Dertypmiteinemkleinenschwan nice!!! I just feel master duel is a great way to understand interaction between certain cards I am a visual learner so it just helps me a lot!

Skill Drain's recent erratas (only the last 2 specify this) are prime examples of "card with small text, let's throw an explanation/reminder about game mechanics here" A lot of players lack understanding of fundamental mechanics such as this, meanwhile Konami is still treating YGO as " pick up cards and play them" like 1999 were search cards specified "add x. Then your deck is shuffled" or Pot of Greed sending itself to the gy after resolving. Personally I would be a supporter of this if the explanations were color-coded (or even different font/style) while placed at the bottom of the card so everyone could easily identify them as explanations for newer players, then printing cards with such format in Structure decks and Starter Decks

That was referenced directly in the previous video on what works on Bacha, it was the Friday video

im curious as to why he can use the banish effect in that scenario where he oppo has no cards on the field?

​@@Aud1oSnak3etoile doesn't have to banish any cards your opponent controls, she can return cards up to the number of banished monsters, which can be non at all

Well, that’s likely due to the stream confusion now… so it had to be cleared up, it didn’t happen but when officials open that avenue of confusion, it became an issue for magistus

​@@MSTTV "Jerome, you mean we've been playing magistus wrong this whole time?"

They don’t work only if bacha is on the board. If bacha wasn’t there, we would be talking about a different scenario

When a monster card has been negated, if it would try to activate its effects, the activated effects would be negated, not the activations. If you think of it that way, Bacha applies its protection if another Melodious Fusion would be negated while bacha is not negated. If it was something like Skill Drain where Bacha would be negated alongside the other fusions, you stop all the effects including Bacha's protection.

Because fadra was chain link 2. The summon occured. But trident couldn't activate it's effect as after fadras effect was kashtiras activation making the summoned trident miss it's timing to use it's effect. You can activate an effect of a summoned monster mid chain link resolution. Because the kashtiras had to resolve the chain. The trident was summoned and just sat there.

You can't* activate

Trident is a when effect. When it was summoned in chain link 2, chain link 1 was fenrir attempting to activate its effect. At the time trident wanted to activate its effect was the same time fenrir effect was trying to activate. So think of it as trident had to wait his turn and then forgot to use his effect because he was watching fenrir fail to resolve the effect on his summon

wait what how

@@michaelmorales1602 Fableds love to swarm, and I had Card Destruction waiting.

But Baka is funny

Only when summoning it from the Extra Deck can "ignoring summoning conditions" be applied. If it wasn't properly summoned and ends up in a public location, they still will not be able to be revived.

Yes

It can't. Zebufera specifies that it must be _"1 of your "Vaalmonica" Normal Spells/Traps"_ and cards banished face-down can't be identified.

Yes. That does not change anything

Stone sweeper still goes through because it already activated, but you obviously can't activate other monsters after that chain resolves from the hand

Because it's not a quick effect. On summon your opponent has priority to react on summon of you have no trigger effects. So samsara gets negated before it can activate its effect. But than again I might be wrong 😅

Samsara D is not a quick effect. What dodge?

U can’t respond to imperm targeting it

To clarify how negation of cards work and removal from field. Dodging targeted negation means you can remove the card from the field before the negation resolves. Lotus is not a quick effect to tribute itself so its activated effect would still get negated. If you were thinking dodging the effect negation meant removing it from the field for its effect then that doesn't work. You still activated it on the field while the card was negated so it doesn't resolve in the graveyard. If we take Hieratic Seal of Heavenly Spheres as another example. If it was negated and you use its effect to tribute itself, it is still negated so it cannot bounce a face-up card to the hand. But its graveyard effect would still trigger since it was tributed and the card isn't negated when it activates in the graveyard. Hope that helps clarify things.

@@mythriljojo But then how would an already-negated Fenrir resolve successfully if Book of Moon was chained to it's effect? Wouldn't it still resolve on the field? Why is that different that tributing for cost to leave the field while negated?

People commonly make that association that negated=can't activate. I've activated card effects of negated cards just to be met with "It won't do anything" (before the chain is even revolving), to which I reply "I'm aware. It will resolve negated." For monsters, applied negation can be removed by flipping it face-down, which can make a difference when building a chain.

@@TwoSmooveGood example is Hieratic Spheres probably. Even if it’s negated, you can still activate the effect to send itself.

@jumpiestaman100 That is a great example. Then, the GY effect can trigger and resolve with effect since it is a new copy activating it.

It's a "When effect", that means that the synchro summons needs to be the last thing to happen in the last chain for it to trigger. In this case it was resolved at CL2, since fenrir ef was the last thing to resolve, Trident dragion missed the timing of it's activation hence why it's illegal.

Trident Dragion needed to be synchro summoned as the very last action in the previous chain in order to get its effect. In the previous chain, the very last action was the negated Fenrir resolving its effect, not Trident being Synchro Summoned

"When [X]: You can" effects need to meet their condition as the last thing to happen prior to the current chain being formed. Fadra causing the Synchro Summon of Trident was not the last thing to happen though, it was the negated Fenrir attempting to resolve

When effect, so needs to be the last thing in the chain, in order for its effect to not “miss timing”. Another example would be Hot Red Archfiend King Calamity. Your turn comes and your opponent has Crimson Dragon + a Level 12 Synchro. Turn player priority, you go CL1 Imperm target their crimson, they go CL2 Crimson target their Level 12 Synchro. Chain resolves. CL2 the crimson brings out the calamity through its effect, and then CL1 Imperm targets and negates the crimson. Doesn’t matter that King Calamity was summoned. Its floodgate effect won’t activate because it wasn’t the last thing in the chain to occur (it had to have been summoned as the last thing in the previous chain link.

@@yzusiajN ohhhhh ok thank you for helping me understand the ruling ^^

Because you still have to have summoned a monster properly before reviving it from a location that is public knowledge. It has its own summoning conditions but the requirement of being properly summoned first before summoning it from the gy is game mechanics/rules.

Trust me it’s correct. While Bacha is Active, the negated fusions of other melodious should still be active even if their card is negated. If Bacha gets negated the protection gets negated. While Bacha is active, even if you have bagooska, your effects will go through. It’s like altergeist protocol.

Imperm and Veiler work specifically on Bacha because they in turn negate its text that protects Melodious fusion effects in the first place. Since the veiler was used on Etoile, and Bacha's effects were all live, Bacha protects Etoile's quick effect. It's the same reason why you can end on Etoile, bacha, and bagooska and still have a live Etoile effect.

At the time it's flipped face down, a negation like Veiler or Imperm will wear off. So if Fenrir (that is negated by Imperm) is used as CL1, then Book of Moon targeting Fenrir as CL2, on the resolution of CL2 Fenrir is placed face down and at that time the effect of Imperm wears off, so at the resolution of CL1 the target of Fenrir is banished since no other effect interacts with it. This is not to be confused with a card like Ash Blossom which negates the effect itself and not the monster. In the case of Unicorn CL1, Blossom CL2, Book CL3, despite Unicorn being placed face down, Blossom will still negate the effect to add.

Changing a monster facedown is the exception. If you remove an Impermed monster from the field by say, destroying Fenrir with Offerings to the Doomed, it would be negated. But if you used Fenrir and chained a Book of Moon, it would resolve just fine.

@@babrad I glanced over this and managed to mix up Kashtira Unicorn (which you were using) with Knightmare Unicorn lol. I was like "how are you booking a Link Monster?" then it clicked.

Also to add to the previous comment, effects activate and resolve at the same place. So if your monster removes itself from the field while being negated, for example Samsara D Lotus tributing itself to summon a Yubel, then the effect will resolve on the field where Samsara was negated so it doesn't resolve successfully. The argument "but it's in the GY now so Imperm wore off" isn't correct because the effect activated and resolved on the field. For an effect to bypass that we have the example of Tour Guide summoning a Fiendish Rhino Warrior with its effects negated. While on the field, the continuous effects are negated. Going to the GY is the requirement to activate, so it activates AND resolves in the GY where the negation placed by Tour Guide has finished applying, and the effect resolves successfully.

Lingering effects stop applying when the monster is flipped face-down on the field.

You just gotta study this game and its thousand ruling religiously.

@@thebringer-dreamerdragon-6067 lol you right and I get that it would just be nice to have a universal place to get correct information. There should not be multiple interpretations of how certain cards interact with each other so everyone can be in the same page!

That would be ideal, but Konami doesn't care enough to make something like that happen. Any passion projects that attempt to do something like that will be met with "Oh but it's not official so it doesn't count!"

Correct. Lingering effects like imperm stop applying to a monster if it is flipped face-down on the field. So for example, if player A successfully resolves imperm on the special summon of player B's R-Ace Turbulence, then afterwards player B activates the Turbulence effect and chains Book of Moon or Book of Eclipse as CL2, the Turbulence would resolve with effect and set up to 4 from deck. Flipping a monster face-down on their field is just weird like that.

@@Exapico so this ONLY works for SETTING the monster? it does NOT work for bouncing the monster to hand with compulse or tributing it for a cost (for exampe effect veiler vs rescue rabbit)

@@whynotsquat8315 Yes, it only works for flipping a monster face-down on the field. If you tributed to activate an impermed Rescue Rabbit, the effect would resolve negated.

@@Exapico thats crazy

Short answer is When vs If timing. Basically Trident Dragion is an old card :p

If the effect that allowed you to Synchro Summon is not CL1, then the last thing to happen in that chain is whatever CL1 was. When Trident was summoned, the chain was still resolving, meaning that the "When" in the previous chain was NOT Trident being summoned. Had Trident been an "If" effect, it would not matter when in the last chain it was Synchro summoned, just that it was special summoned.

I just feel he's just tired, more so lack of energy than passion, he made the streams such a treat from his enthusiasm.

I am just tired. I can back from YCS and immediately put back to my day job while wanting to craft videos, writing a judge document for regionals this weekend I am exhausted

@MSTTV Rest easy bro. Still love the content-

Drives me nuts too, and I'm not even a band nerd!

Incorrect. Face down monsters are no longer negated, and their effects will resolve normally. You can see this in effect in examples like CL1 Robina CL2 Veiler CL3 Book target Robina CL4 Imperm. Imperm resolves negating Robina, but because Book flips Robina face down, its negated status goes away and will resolve normally as CL1.

@@KatsuneUndercover oh ok. I know it doesn't work by sending the monster to the gy with droplet for example, is it just different for face down?

@@Mal-Function4 yes, a monster being face down is different