These Incidents Are Full Of Controversy | Sim Racing Stewards 

I love judge Doorbent! 😍 Thank you for your judging Jimmy! I just want to update, that after watching all angles my incident got penalty removed by the stewards (also Im not wide in that corner im as much as possible on apex because you CANOT touch that yellow sausage in ACC at all).😅😰

Forza has this weird thing with its physics, where if you get bumped on the front quarter you just lose all steering. Thats why the white AMG just drives off the track.

"Do we continue? Is there more?" followed by a Big Zhou Moment and Jimmer's stunned silence into looking into the camera and going "... oh dear" had me in stitches

As an ACC regular, the Jardier clip needs a *tiny* bit more context. The reason Jared is maybe slightly wide of the apex is because that curb will absolutely fuck you up. There's a very good reason for him to leave more room than usual.

Some context for the first one: Its very hard to return to the track safety on forza Motorsport without loosing control (especially on sim steering) and the off track kinda sucks you off and slows you down without much ability to turn

Love when a new episode of Judge Jimmer comes out

Racing Words to Live By: At the end of the day, you are the only one who actually cares about where you finish. Drive accordingly.

6:46 to me it looks like the porsche lost control due to being pushed to the grass and didn't mean to rejoin like that.

The Jardier incident is just 2 guys at the very top of their game going side by side through an extremely fast narrow right hander and touching the tiniest amount. Hard racing. This then results in netcode flinging the other car out into the shadow realm. IRL they would have continued side by side to the next corner. So for me it's a racing incident. Also I think he got a pentalty because in real time it looked worse than it was. I'm glad the stewards overturned it, in the end. We can't blame the stewards either. They do a fantastic job and help us sim racers have the best possible time on track. It was a tricky one for them regardless.

I'm the 787b guy and Jimmy saw right through me lol that was 100% humblebrag. I actually though no way this was legal, but then reddit pointed out I was one wheel within the lines 😅 didn't expect it Nice fo feature on the channel though! Been watching since 20k subs, if you're seeing this Jimmer thanks for the content ❤

Jardier's penalty was overturned, rightly so, because it was absolute bollocks. He left all of the space he could, it wasn't even netcode or anything, you can clearly see the differece in the angle between the 2 cars and how more aggresively the black car is turning in and ends up hitting him.

Haha, I was in the Cadillac vs Ferrari race at Road America. The Ferrari driver (Liam), was 2nd in class, running all alone. The Caddy was the last LMDh still running, several laps down. None of us in the session could believe the LMDh was that careless/dumb lol. Was wild.

Blue mx5 at okayama looked like it was blindly following the racing line and not watching their surroundings

In the first clip where the AMG went off, he probably stayed off because he couldn't resafe joinly

Judge Jimmer is here to lay down the law in sim racing everybody

7:55 Ugh, man....I kinda agree with Jimmer here, but red car is absolutely parking on the apex at that corner. Just because you can outbreak someone doesn't mean it isn't a bit cheeky, you're sacrificing the exit speed of both cars to make a pass and risking a huge accident. Blue car is still at fault for running into him but do we think he can slow down enough to not completely lock up here? do we really think that Red car is making that corner at a reasonable speed? That's a medium speed corner that he's slowing both cars down to make the pass on. Is it legal? I guess so, but it's a 'I was able to get by you because I braked later, it shouldn't matter if I'm taking the corner significantly slower than both of us usually would' kind of move.

I feel like multiclass races are the ones where you have to have a heightened awareness compared any other kind of race. The different speeds and handling models of the cars are completely different to eachother, I feel sometimes people kind of forget this when racing in multiclass.

FYI: as far as i know the Jardier incident got overturned and the penalty dropped (he got P3) before the next AOR round, after he had protested it after the race.

I like how the "YOU'RE NOT AT FAULT" stamp just kinda became the de-facto stamp there at the end despite it appearing(?) that the car was, in fact, at fault. Unless I totally missed which was the poster's car. Love this series, nice to learn more about the in-depth rules of racing and what makes for legal/illegal moves!

Love that jimmer says “the aston martin” even tough they were both astons on the jardier one.

Props to Jimmy for the 24 hour event last weekend.

14:33 the way I howled at his. Holy shit. 😂

The Monza chicane kicked from Server is because there was 5 contacts in 1 lap. When doing server creation you can set that but the default is 5/lap ban.

On the Silverstone punt, I don't think blue is as at fault. They just had two significant incidents, the latter involving getting bonked in the side, I think they're worried about having recieved steering damage that would manifest itself most under braking, thus staying way to the side and going long, leaving room for passing.

For the second one (MX5 clip) it could be argued that the blue car was reacting to the track curving left ahead or following the racing line. For the 4th clip, I wonder if the Lynk & Co could actually see the Audi. The collision didn't seem to affect the Lynk & Co all too much if at all. This is a known glitch in Forza in general as it's been around for several installments and is still a thing in the new FM. The rest of the clip was likely coincidental positioning if that's the case.

That incident at the end is so common because people think it's safer to drive very far away from the other guy. In practice it's better to be right next to him.

It’s after 5am and I'm in hospital over night after my achillies surgery with zero sleep because a crazy man has been shouting down the hallway none stop but then jimmy releases a vid and 12 minutes ago and it makes my night. Thanks Jimmers!

Talking about the two Aston's in ACC moment: On one hand, yes, the black AM turned into the Blue and Black AM ... but the Blue and Black AM was understeering wide into the Black AM. I agree with a racing incident. Odd moment, both did something "wrong," so to fault one over the other seems unfair.

Your comparison of multiclass racing cars and their lines was a good learning point

Normally in this series I agree with Jimmy most of the time but this episode there was quite a few where I was leaning the other way. For example the first one, the Lambo is at fault, merc was well alongside so should have been allowed more space. Last one, imo the nature of the corner, (having to be on a certain line to take it flat for example), is irrelevant if there is a car well alongside, and in any corner it doesn't matter if the car alongside is trading paint or is on the complete other side of the track, they are still alongside so should be left space, even if it means the next corner or sector is going to be heavily compromised or very awkward.

"I know that I left them space But part of me feels like I shouldn't have gone for that in the first place. I am the McLaren." Taves of Pave. Simracing poet. 😄

I love this series. Not only is it entertaining, but it’s also educational. I personally have learned a ton from this series about rules and just common racing courtesy

For that first incident it looks kind of innocuous at first glance, but it seems like it was definitely on the Blue car. Slowing it down to 0.25% speed and looking at it, the blue turns into the AMG at the last second, where they would have both made it otherwise. Could definitely still be mild netcode tbf though.

blue miata definitely has a case of driving line tunnel vision

Sim racing in Australia with latency issues etc. helped me! 2cnd place is always better than a DNF

On the Zhou inchident: This was apparently after thr race ended, hence the blue car slowing down

Jardiers 5 second penalty was removed on appeal!

20:59 i had a whole discussion about this one on the subreddit especially about leaving space i'm glad you agree it was a sqeeuze

Rage quit after a small punt is a certified Forza move

I grew up in the 80s riding a Honda 125 3-wheeler with no helmet or any other protective gear. I had a blast but that damn thing was unstable as hell. It got up on 2 wheels every single time you turned, would flip over if you just looked at it funny and had a terrible tendency to bounce then flip ass over teakettle. They needed to do something to mandate that 4th wheel.

I was pretty hooked on simracing and Jimmy's video during covid lockdown but then left simracing for a bit I'm so glad and impressed by how much he achieved in so little time and how cool he still is

Red and Yellow GT3 incident is 100% on the red car. Red car picked inside to cover, has to leave the room outside. Its not a corner and he can't just cover that off when he chooses its convenient to not allow the yellow car to go the other direction. Textbook blocking.

hey Jim awesome judge. I was in the sub judging the clips 7:40 and 14:05 too and boy... was it a circus. I couldn't believe the amount of people who said the black and red car in 7:40 was at fault because he was doing a "massive dive bomb" and that he was "never going to make the turn" or he was "parking on the apex". For the clip at 14:05, almost everyone was saying the green car was being an absolute menace and guilty of all three incidences. Anyone who says otherwise would get downvoted. It genuinely shocked me because i get downvoted for stating what you've mentioned in the video. To the people sending these videos into the sub, do take the judgements in the comments with a grain of salt. Better yet, wait for Jimmer to judge your video ;)

Almost all of these can be avoided by paying attention and lifting without being so pushy, patient driving is always quicker

I would like to point out the lack of avoiding action on the part of the green Cadi at Silverstone. When the blue car spun there was a great opportunity for the green car to dip around the back of him. It would have been an off track overtake, but the car in front was not in control and so it should have been fine. Also, the final incident, while you expect someone to NOT drop an anchor on the racing line into a fast corner, there was time to at least try to swerve around him on the inside of the corner and just follow the black car through. I would mostly judge that video as Insufficiently Opportunistic Racing on the part of the green car.

Most underrated part is that the Aston in the first clip is "Lord Vlad V" (presumably Vlad Von-carstein).

My response was "Oh ffs! 😂". Jimmy's was a bit more SFW. 😅 14:38

“i’m a certified flasher” - Jimmy Broadbent, 17:51

I think blue MX-5 was literally just following the guided line without looking at space but MX-5 behind was at fault regardless

theres a joke about judge shed talking to a (iracing) rookie about sentencing them to three weeks in the assetto cubes but i think im just having a mental breakdown

On the first clip, you just have to remember Fernando's eternal words... "You always have to leavea the space! All the time you have to leavea the space!"

Been some racing for a very long time......But. I learn a lot every time I watch your videos.

I had so many of these kind of run me off the circuit incidents this week 13. I had the run on a guy coming out of a corner, was safely alongside in the middle of the road. Then he pushed me towards the right side of the track and just kept pushing off the road! Hate week 13 D:

as being a go karting marshal the incident start @5:14 or so i would call from what i seen as blocking on the red car and an unsafe pass on the yellow car

Alongside means alongside, it doesn't mean has a nose by the rear bumper. It's up to the car behind to make the pass.

You are awesome. I love your combination of deep racing knowledge and humor!

Happened notice you're in the social pages of F1 23 You've made it sir, you've been added to an F1 game lolz but seriously congrats on being recognized for your contributions to motorsport Cheers and beers for Jimmy!👏🍻

That such minor things can turn into full-blown penalties and judgements is such a downer for new racers. You can be going through a turn doing everything right and then some guy tries to pull alongside, bumps you and dies, then you've got people saying you did this and that wrong. I've never seen another esport where you're expected to protect your opponents from themselves like this. If you've given someone enough room that should be all that's required. If someone decides to send it through a corner to try and get round you and ends up evaporating then that's on them.

1:00 As a forza motorsport player when you get into the grass at that speed the steering of your car isn't going to do much.

I'm no expert. but in multiclass races, wouldn't it make more sense for the faster class of vehicle, with more downforce to pass on the outside of any given corner?

23:10 wrong stamp for that incident. Stamp says "You're not at fault" audio says "you would probably end up getting penalized for that"

For the first clip other than the weird FM steering physics mentoined by others, I could see the game giving a time penalty for a direct rejoin there. I've experienced it before where Ive been pushed off track just from heated racing and been given a time penalty even though it wasnt my fault for being of track. The off track penalty is a bit borked so the amg may have been trying to avoid that.

Seeing the flashing lights made me laugh on the caddy one. I used to help run an Iracing league a few years ago and the amount of people that would claim it was very intimidating, with one guy claiming it was more so than a boardroom meeting (and he was a up the food chain a fair way too).

Awesome video! Always fun to learn with you! :D

1st one was a shoulder from the Lambo.

On the 2nd clip I think the blue car was too intent on following the racing line aid. It is there for reference only and in situations like that it would be better to look at the surroundings and given more room for the faster car.

That last clip at Zandvoort feels especially silly because after that left hander is a flat right kink then a very fast right hander. Neither of which make any sense to be on the outside of so there was absolutely no point in lunging up the inside at all.

I saw a third incident in that second clip...the black car with the yellow roll cage went off track to pass (reacting to what was going on in front of him) without giving the position back! If only Jimmer would appear in the comments to pass judgement on this move!

You must leave-a da space!!! It's crazy how many drivers can't get that through their head. Here's my advice: Err on the side of caution. If there's any question of whether you need to leave space, meaning you are not sure if they are along side or along side "enough", then just leave a car width. If the guy is on the outside, be prepared to leave space, unless you KNOW you are clear. Then you are covered. If you don't leave it, you are just as likely to crash as the other guy. What's worse? Losing a position, or a DNF? And for those trying to overtake. If you aren't at least halfway overlapped, you should probably back out. Get a better run next time, or better yet, Get them to cover the inside (compromising their line) and leave room to get a good run out of the corner. Then you can drive right by them down the straight and they can't do anything about it.

Those prototypes at RA are exactly how most gt3 cars have their races ruined, and the prototypes drive off like nothing happened. They need to start issuing special event bans for drivers that do that.

17:52 - I am a certified flasher - Jimmy Broadbent probably like the 11th or 12th Dec 2023

Clip 1: I'd say the AMG drove next to the lambo only at the apex, so the lambo was already committed and didn't have to leave him room. Racing incident. Clip 2 incident 2: to me as soon as someone is next to you with any part of his car on a straight, you have to leave him at least one car width. (I'm not gonna count the kink as a corner) so even though blue car probably just wanted to get back to the left side after being overtaken there he should have checked if it was clear. It wasn't and judging by the direction he was going he'd probably not left any room anyways. I'd say blue is actually at fault for this one. Clip 3: similar to clip 2 but here the gap was closed before the Porsche is next to the Mercedes. Even though the aggressive rejoin was more likely a lack of control on the grass, Porsche is still at fault. Clip 4: black Audi was alongside at turn in so the blue Audi had to leave him the space. Clearly the blue audi is at fault. Might even be intentional wreck. Clip 5: same starting situation as clip 4, different outcome. Still black Aston is at fault. Given that he has the disadvantage I'd call it a no further investigation. Clip 6: one tire still within the white lines. No contact. No further investigation. Sick slide though. Clip 7 incident 1: BMW couldn't turn more than he did. noone at fault. Racing incident. Clip 7 incident 2: clearly the white McLaren fault. Just sends it. Would never have made the corner while leaving room for the BMW and the black McLaren on the outside. Clip 8 incident 1: camera car at fault. They just drove in the back of the car in front. Clip 8 incident 2: more of a racing incident since camera car couldn't really avoid the contact without just heading straight off course. Clip 8 incident 3: I'd say it's not an intentional block but rather giving the black car on the inside the corner. Camera car didn't see that move coming so there is that. Probably more the blue cars fault. Clip 9: in multiclass the faster category has to make sure the overtake is safe and respect the room the slower category needs. Cadillac at fault. DQ Clip 10: same as clip 9. Cadillac at fault. Clip 11: agree to Jimmy, although I am ok with reacting as long as there is enough room for the other car to react and as long as you don't close the gap when they are next to you. But in the kink camera car closes the gap when the other car is already inside so camera car at fault. Clip 12: even though the move wasn't going to work, but the BMW still should have left the space on the inside. So bmw at fault.

15:15 😂 your face once you realised what you said

1st incident, out side car had over lap, inside blue car forced car off track..... out side car was a baby and drove off track further and gave up

If you wanna understand how a GT car carries speed and takes lines around a track, just get in a GT car.. you’ll understand after like 2 laps.. and vice versa for Gt car drivers wanting to understand Lmp/hyper cars/etc

Wait, do the stamps say "You're not at fault" and "They were at fault"? Everyone who submits a clip is innocent. Yaaaay! 😂

13:35 Maybe he got banned because the black car is the admin and never saw the white car on the inside 😅 Edit: Before you comment, always watch to the end! ^^

13:58 Even topper tip: If you're a server owner don't let the eensy modicum of power you've obtained in your otherwise vulnerable life go to your head.

Oh boy, there's going to be a ton of content coming out of IMSA being at CTMP this week

I will say with the Jardier incident, whilst he's a little wide of the apex, that apex has a nasty arse sausage kerb that's pretty lethal if you catch it wrong. In qualifying I'd push right up against it, but in races I tend to give it a bit of a wide berth as it can easily unsettle the car and throw you into the gravel. Side by side it's also probably wise to avoid as get it wrong and you'll crash into the car next to you anyway

about prototype and gt collisions, the simple rule (just like in real life) is that GT's just follow the racing line, and its up to the prototype to for overtaking it correctly. ofcourse if the prototype is already next to it, than a GT car just cant turn in. but that are mostly in slow speed sections. important with this type of races that you need a bit of patience and time it correctly. even though i wasnt the outright fastest with prototypes, i saved a ton of time with this. in case i was in a GT car I kept my eyes in the mirrors aswell, I would already position my car a little bit more clear just to indicate to the prototype behind me where he should pass me. it is working together really aswell, just to make sure you both not crash and not loose time otherwise.

Enjoy the addition of hotly debated incidents as well! Some solid infotainment

21:13 '922 it's on you my friend' while showing the 'you're not at fault' stamp of approval :p Nit-picking though, always enjoy these videos.

John Constantine lol 0:27 hair and beard lol

11:51 "Slide job! Slide job!"

Blue Lambo and White Merc - actually Merc on outside was overtaking, the Lambo had position from the previous corner.

The craziest thing in this video is realizing there are people playing Forza Dumpster sport still.

I love this Sim Racing Stewards series Jimmer, had me in stiches mate 👍

I don't think Jardier "had room" on the apex He did, physically, but he was millimeters from that curbing, that really tall curbing Touching that probably would've lifted him off the ground some amount and made him trail out more, making him ping into the other guy anyway

The problem of the second driver is that he has the racing line on, and just followed it while being completely oblivious to the fact that there is a car on his left so he shouldn't move left.

Second guy is the prime example for why some people recommend not using the racing line. Guy just blindly sticks on his line and doesnt have any awareness whatsoever of the cars around him.

In the Indy one, I don’t think the red car was going to make the corner

I remember the days Jimmer was in his shed being a GOAT. Iyky

Congratulations, Jimmy and the rest of the team you have accomplished so much this season.

18:28 had a pride car explains why they weren’t driving straight

What I'm learning, nobody knows how to actually race.

Silly question, but when people get together for sim race championships or leagues or whatever, are there stewards? It would seem sensible and I'm sure there are people qualified/enthusiastic enough to learn/qualify for it.

I think I can tell what happened to the Skechers BMW at Monza in 12:30 well I'm not in the server but just watching this, and how the other cars behaved, I have a feeling. The BMW misses the braking point into T1, easy. Then they go side by side down to the second chicane, and then the other Mclaren does that absolutely boneheaded 3-wide dive into a corner that barely fits 2. That's plenty obvious for everyone to see. But what REALLY got the BMW driver banned, was what happened afterwards: some server admins put up some special rules such as "always wait for the other guy if you cause a collision", and the BMW guy just drives off after the incident, after all we're all racing. So I'm thinking the admins saw that and banned him for that, not the incident. Stupid, I know, but I've been banned for less from tactical shooter servers. That, or the black car was the server owner. Such is life, sometimes. You're probably better off not racing there anyways, either case.

Jardier: have seen overlaps like that with no netcode issues, acc is far better than about anything there. Car on the outside turned in too hard imo - if jardier had pushed him off at the exit ( might have happened ), different story. Last one, no matter how half-arsed that was there was still quite an overlap before the corner, wasn't like the macca poked his nose in late, the beemer just turned in anyway. He could have pinned the mclaren on the outside & kept the position through all the following right handers.

16:00 the comments of that video suggest that this was after the race finished