This video was incredible, very well researched! Ti Lung and David Chiang are my two favourite Shaw Brothers stars and I love their chemistry together so it always makes me sad that they fell out, for whatever reason. Thankfully, we still have all the wonderful art they created together.
Thank you so much! And for sure, we've still got the movies. Hopefully one day they'll set aside all of the small grudges. For whatever happened between them, it seems like 40 years is long enough to set those things aside. At least, I hope so!
I thought they were best friends, in the early seventies in 1974 when Kung Fu films hit our cinemas here in England I and my friends used to go to the cinema and watch their films, Chinese Connection was one of them among others, so it's true just because someone plays the best of friends on screen doesn't mean they got chemistry together, and there are so many stories about other actors etc.
Thank you for sharing your memories! It's fascinating how on-screen relationships can differ from real life, eh? Sure, they were friends for much of their career together, but you know at some point things were brewing - but you'd never guess it.
I have seen almost all of the Shaw Brothers films with David Chiang and Ti Lung. I was crazy about David Chiang but my Chinatown friends all seemed to prefer Ti Lung. David Chiang had a delicate romantic esthetic feel. I found this video very interesting although we will probably never know the whole story. Chen Kuan Tai was also in many of these films and was the most popular among the guys.
Very interesting! That one was outside of my radar. Do you know, by chance, if they actually shared any screen time? Looks like it was released about a year after Chang Cheh's death. That's a very interesting period to be in the same movie together!
A Lot of these guys aren't as young as they use to be, With the passing of both Li Hoi Sang and Norman Chui. I hope that David Chiang and Ti Lung could put their difference to rest.
Most articles on the Chinese internet that I Google translated while looking into all of this just straight up translated it as “Dillon,” so that makes sense! Thank you so much for watching and thanks for the heads up on the pronunciation!
It puts things into perspective, doesn’t it? Would just like to hear one day that they’re able to end up as being friends and are able to reminisce together about what all they’ve achieved.
Thank you! I’m own all of these films and I’m always looking for new info! I even went to Hong Kong and visited Alexander Fu Shengs ashes. Beautiful country.
Thank you so much! More to come! My next video will probably be about the start of the Category III rating in Hong Kong, then after that it’ll probably be a full video on Jimmy Wang Yu!
I'm very surprised 😮 to hear about this story 😮 i though they were best friends 😁 But both guys are great kung fu movies actor in my opinion 👊📺🎥📺🎥 Great info buddy 👍👍 You should do more stories like this story 😮👍👍thanks for the stories 👍👍
to be honest i think david chiangs kung fu ability is underated . i would say hes is more well known casualy than ti lung .they both did east west cross overs being legend of the seven golden vampires with david chiang and peter cushing mr shatter with ti lung stuart witmoore n cushing both uk hammer and shaw collabs. actualy Whitmore hated making that film though run run shaw was spying on him and lilliy li was horrible to him ? Duel of fists was great . Grear tp see ti lung come back in the heroic bloodshed stuff . non shaw films that chiang did like the loot the challenger six directions of boxing lost kung fu secrets strife for mastery . shaoiln mantice and shaoilin handlock david chiang are hard shaw films to beat and the heroic ones ? David chiang was in more tv shows too i think like dynasty ? etc .lung was good in drunken master 2 and his cameo in tiger on the beat . thanks for a insightfull and coulourful video . Ps a good non shaw film with ti lung is the hearoes with tan tao liang n chan wai man . A must watch . peace from england .
Thank you so much for watching! In an early version of the video, I was thinking about getting into Seven Golden Vampires, because there's footage from Chiang back in the 70s in a UK documentary program called Fists of Fire. Ultimately, I trimmed it down, but that's a super interesting project and I would have loved to have learned more about that time period.
Not seen fists of fire ages great doc. the vhs must be collectable now. yes legend of the seven golden vampires is a classic. Another great shares west collab non hammer is THE STRANGER AND THE GUNFIGHTER aka loh lei and lee van cleif.cool movie.
Reminds me of the saying, "He who loses money, loses much; He who loses a friend, loses much more." I'm not sure how much money went into the breaking down of this friendship, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was something to that. And I KNOW their wives definitely played a role in things... but hey, that's life. Hard not to take these things personal, but it just sucks because they seemed to be such close friends.
THE LAST MOVIE I REMEMBER SEEING THEM IN IS SHANGHAI THIRTEEN AKA 13 RASCALS AN ALL STAR CAST BUT BOTH OF THEM DIDNT MEET IN THIS MOVIE DAVID FOUGHT REAL GOOD BUT WAS KILLED NEAR THE END DEFENDING A MAN WHO HAD A SECRET DOCUMENT NOW I TOL SOME PEOPLE ON FACEBOOK WITH IGNORANT COMMENTS ABOUT MANY THINGS THAT HAPPEN ON CAMERAS TO WATCH CERTAIN MOVIES AND OTHER THINGS BACK TO THIS MOVIE TI LUNG SURVIVED GREAT MOVIE PUNCH IT UP ON HERE JACKIE CHAN AND SAMMO HUNG ALONG WITH YEON BIA WERE ALSO APART OF SHAW BROTHERS MOVIES AND A FEW VENOM MOB MEMBERS APPEARED IN HIS MOVIES JACKIE AND ALEXANDER FU SHENG RIP 1983 WERE COMIC RIVALS BUT FRIENDLY JACKIE SENT FLOWERS TO ALEXANDERS WIFE AND PRAISED HIM AND THE LAST VENOM CHIANG SHENG RIP 1991 HE WOULD MOCK THE NUMBER 1 VENOM MOB LU FENG BUT THE VENOM MOB WOULD SEND PRANKS TO HIM LIKE HITTING HIM WITH CAKE IN HIS FACE ALL IN FUN NOTHING SERIUOS ALSO DAVID CHIANG WOULD CHASE JACKIE ALONG WITH TI LUNG PLAY FIGHTING IN THE EARLY DAYS
Shanghai Thirteen is definitely a wild movie! I have still only seen a really beat up VHS print of the movie, but look forward to seeing a pristine version of the movie eventually. Especially with everything getting re-released these days!
It’s one of those situations where I think both sides seem to have some legitimate grievances, but after all the time, I wish they could just set them aside.
Shaw Brothers teaches martial arts? More like choreography. Rumor is that David Chiang was not a martial artist, hence his subdued (camouflaged) martial arts movie performances.
Well, it was called the ACTING Training Class. I don't think he was legitimately cross-training like an MMA fighter or anything, and I certainly didn't intend to allude to that. To quote Terrence J. Brady's book: "At Shaw's in-house Nanguo Acting Training Class, the new actor was introduced to Karate, Thai Boxing, Taekwondo, Judo, and Mantis Style Kung Fu." Pg. 38 To me that means, more than likely, they learned the basics of various martial arts in order to better represent them for the screen. I would imagine they were likely taught these things by fellow Kung Fu martial artists and not imported experts or anything like that. I don't think Ti Lung was learning all of the katas of Karate or preparing for muay thai kickboxing matches. Whether or not David Chiang practiced martial arts... I can not say. In Fists of Fire (1974/1975), he was quoted as saying: "When I was young, I lost lots of street fights. By that time, I always lose. That's why I tried to learn some Chinese martial arts. That's when I found my teacher, Mr. Liu. By now, it's been twelve years of it." And the documentary claimed that he trained for two hours every day in Kung Fu. Knowing Chiang's relaxed attitude, it would be a bit of a surprise to hear about that sort of dedication. He also says it had been twelve years since his training began, but he may have misspoke or something (the interview was in English), but I do not think he had any connections to Liu Chia-liang in or around 1962/1963. It could be that he had a teacher beforehand, but considering he much later told the Bangkok Post: "I was not that good, neither a senior nor a junior. I don't train now - I'm getting old. But I practice every day for exercise." I'd say that Kung Fu was never Chiang's be-all-end-all. Still love him!
From what I've seen, it certainly seems like that might have been the case back in the 70s. There may have been more to it, but there's definitely a component of jealousy from what we've seen. I do wonder what his feelings are like now.
Not attending Chang Cheh’s funeral because David would be there sounds like an insult, and disrespect, that Chiang may never fully forgive. Hopefully time will heal the wounds because I don’t think either has all that much time left.
He was jealous of David back them because David was the Asian teen idol back then, and director's took to him a lot more, but he wanted Ti to with him due to their friendship!
As regards this relationship, WHO CARES? What difference does this make in anybody's Life? Hundreds of these actors churning out chop sockey nonsense so 2 guys don't like each other. Meaningless.
😂You care! At least you care that others care. Why? It’s interesting to me as a fan of these movies from the west who doesn’t get a lot of behind the scenes stories on legendary actors like this. And make no mistake, these men are legends in this world no matter how much you want to downplay their contributions to film. I’m more interested in this than I am Hollywood gossip. Why do YOU care that people are interested in this?
Dave Chiang had absolutely no "Tough guy" personna, He had the face of a goofy and while as a good "athletic" actor in KF cinema, He had no actual skill in the art and the Shaw's knew that he wouldn't be successful as an independent as there were stiff competition among those who literally had "Household names" in leading role play and nobody else would sign him even as a supportive so they exploited him
I take it you’re not a fan of his? I think he had excellent charisma and despite his size and lack of martial arts fluidity, he managed to sell me on any role he took. In terms of pure athletic ability, yeah, he’s definitely not at the top of that list. There’s a documentary on RU-vid here called Fists of Fire, I believe, and in it Chiang is interviewed and he talks about training in kung fu daily… but I wonder how much he threw himself into martial arts, considering how most say he was so laid back during the 60s and 70s and didn’t seem committed to heavy work. Still, a legend for sure and always worth watching.
