These Luxury Watchmakers Just Got Caught LYING... Yikes! 

😮 WTH? I think I’ll stick with G shock, Seiko, Hamilton and Tissot. Tissot is the Seiko of Europe. 😂

A watchmaker friend of mine told me more than 15 years ago that many luxury watch manufacturers cheat brazenly when it comes to movements.

Seiko lied when they said their products arent habit forming. Just lies.. :)

Information like this is what keeps me following you Brother. It’s nice to see someone in our side. This channel and The urban gentry are my 2 favorite channels. ❤❤❤

Thank you timeteller for telling it. It’s always the 1-3% of the crowd that ruins it. I look forward to shopping at your site.

Seiko and Orient have some magnificent in house movements that are super affordable and well made.

Eye opening video for me, great work! These brands are out of my reach, I can't imagine someone laying out that kind of money to get lied to and ripped off. I'm on a Helm kick now, excellent tool watches with reliable and accurate Seiko NH 35 movements, good value for money spent. Cheers!

BUSTED!!!! We can always trust Casio 👍

Con’t forget Rolex claiming their mass produced watches take a full year to make. How many million watchmakers does Rolex have?🤣

Good on you for calling out the liars! I've started doing with watches what I do with beers...gravitate toward the small craft brands that take pride in what they make and have excellent customer service.

Go for the Casios if you have budget constraints. If you are ready to spend more, go for Omega.

I can't say I'm really surprised. It's a shame these watch brands see the need to deceive the public. Now, you've brought it out and there'll be more that will. Thanks for bringing this to us watch enthusiasts and please keep up the scrutiny.

Got my Tag Heuer Aquaracer 200 with the blue dail recently as my wedding present, when this watch came out, I fall in love for the look of it and perfect size for my wrist. But I knew im not gonna pay the 3000USD retail for that movement. I looked around and found one brand new second hand for half of the retail price, that price tag makes more sense to me and I bought it straight away. When I was doing research on this watch, the hate on Tag Heuer is crazy, but mainly cuz they are overpriced, and things that T3 stated in this vid. But I would suggest if you love the watch, do some research and look around before you buy. I am totally happy with this watch, and it holds a sentimental value.

Their deception is why I shop micro-brands. It means I can still get nice watches with decent movements (Sellita, ETA, Valjoux, Seiko etc.), and more of them, without spending thousands on one major brand and having to stop there. To think that I almost purchased one of those Panerai watches. Phew!

Recently bought an Orient Defender 2 from Jomashop on sale for around $160. This actually has an in house movement and keeps helluva acurate time for that price +4 seconds. Always loved the look of Panerais but with thier recent press I am better off with an Orient or four of them 😂. Watches are also like cars, most expensive ones aren't the most functional or realiable and mostly just marketing.

You forgot to mention last year's aqua terra colorful dials being delays due to covid lock downs in China.

This is long known . When shopping for a high class watch you dig in to it a bit and you find this info very fast on the internet . That is why i look at only a few watchbrands , if i want to spend a couple of 1000s on a watch . btw , i do own 2 Omega's .

I’m new to this world, so I appreciate this information. I know very little aside from what I like visually and what my budget is. Thanks, guy. Sincerely, Watch Girl

Always appreciate the fact checks - and the way you tell the story. Best in-house RU-vid channel for fun watch news!

The common between the 3 brands is that they are subsidiaries of LVMH, and Hodinkee as well...

The 3 you listed are not really high end watch makers in my opinion. They are more fashion pieces for chavs, brand name wearers. That's why watch collectors will show you more respect if you were wearing a $1000 Orient than a $15000 Panerai. I think some of their watches are nice eye candy and in their own right are pretty good watches for daily use.

Seiko and Hamilton are my go to watches now until i got some for Tudor or Cartier, which are not that expensive compared to Hufukinblot and Panassrai

Wow, an eye opener for me. I always wanted a Panerai, but the price doesn't justify the quality issues for me; now it does even less.

I get the hate for the brands not being honest about using off the shelf movements. Personally I prefer off the shelf it make’s servicing less expensive down the road. Sheet Rolex used Valjoux, the Zenith movements in the Daytona and almost every brand used ETA movements from the 60-80’s and most vintage Chronographs have Valjoux movements.

I like playing in the cheaper end of the pool with my seikos and g shocks, I know what I am getting and it’s done for fun

It's best to take all watch marketing with a grain of salt. If anyone actually believes that a steel Rolex sports watch is really worth $10-20k, well, than you have to buy into the "aura" of the watch. Of course, any product is worth what a buyer is willing to pay for it, so....there you go!

Don’t forget to mention that Rolecks likes to claim they are using uniquely made “oyster steel” or “RLX titanium” when in fact they are just plain old commercial grade metals.

Show me a Rolex Datejust 41 that actually IS 41. It's 39.5 and that sh!t matters to some of us....They sit on a throne of LIES!

Never been a big fan of any of these brands, and now, even less. Thanks, a great video.

Hublot and Panerai I understand, but I am almost sad about TAG. I LOVE them and have wanted a watch for a while now. One of my friends has an AquaRacer that is so beautiful and comfortable, and I have always wanted a Monaco (Moreso after seeing one in person and trying it on) I have heard mixed things with TAG but my friend who owns one loves it, and I felt I would too. Knowing the movement is not a real "100% In-House" movement breaks me and makes me wonder if there is a better option for the Monaco looks (Bulova has a pseudo-clone cheap that I almost want to try) but with a movement and a price that is actually worth it! (Please I want a TAG so bad and this made me depressed now!)

Plus don't forget to mention the 70.000 dollar white ceramic panerai with an extraordinary cheap stamped or pressed bridge inside

Yeah man, that's why I don't bother with these luxury pieces or companies for that matter. I don't know if you already have one, but it'd be nice to see a video on what companies have gone out of their way to be honest to their customers. Those are watchmakers I'd go out of my way to support. You're doing the Lord's work, chief!

What year did PaneraI die? I have a 2007 and a basic 2008 that I’m worried about now 😕

Man it’s been forever since i got one of your videos recommended. Glad to see you’re still at it goodsir!

As a watch collector, what your saying about Panerai is the reason why I’ve never purchased one , such a shame .

NGL it took me a while to get on board with your humour, but I really do enjoy watching your videos. Thanks for the insights, and highlighting what seems to be a rather sketchy practice. Friends of mine would recommend I look into Panerai because I have the wrist to pull off 42-44mm watches and I must say, your video has given me pause about their watches. Even second-hand, a number of models seem to fetch silly money, and it all just seems like an unfortunate trend that has no legs to stand on. Anyway, keep pumping those biceps, and all the best!

This is the main reason why I started buying Chinese clones. At least I am going in knowing they are and not paying thousands for it.

You should do an episode about all the micro brand lies!

And some watch enthusiasts will say that "in-house" doesn't mean anything.

Panerai was still OK in the early 2000s, it did started to shift during the Brooklyn bridge edition…

You discussed Hublot, Tag, and Panerai…I thought you were going to talk about luxury watches?

Hey Jory, have you considered covering the topic of "in-house" versus "in-group" movements? For me, I don't care much about the distinction. But I definitely want to know I don't have an ETA in a watch above 2-3 grand. But I'm fine with "in-group."

What?? Watchmakers BS's us? Never!😂

Why don't we discuss the lies of the big boys? Like... Rolex?

Enjoyed the video, as alway. Pretty old news in each case, though.

Well Well Well!! Wouldn’t you know they’re all of the usual suspects. I wrote each of those brands on off years ago because they’re notorious frauds. They’re insulting their customers.

I love your channel , always looking forward to seeing everything you post . Keep up the good work .

If you are buying a watch with an ETA, Seiko or Miyota movement in it, there is no point in buying a chi-chi branded watch, just get the original and pay the minimum amount for it. We completely agree.

I watched the movie Ex Machina for the first time last night and I thought damn Oscar Issac looks just like the time teller!

Omega lied to me when they told me their METAS master chronometer is suppose to be 0/+6 secs/day.

That's flat out criminal and should be investigated!!

Great video ,I’ve got a Pam 1033 I’m sure it’s in-house movement, thanks 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🙏

These three aren’t the only examples. Bremont lied about the purportedly in house nature of an LJP movement that they put in their watches, and Ball is currently claiming to be using an in house movement on some of its models which is clearly an LJP movement.

Nice to see some personal grooming improvements since i last visited your channel. Good job.

The same problem used to apply for IWC.

Even Tudor is using the B01 Breitling movement on their chronographs. It is a wonderful movement. Just admit it.

Panera is a joke. Had a submersible sent to a Panerai dealer to have it verified, but he said there’s almost no way of telling a fake from a real one now. That tells me how overpriced their watches are if a 300 dollar fake is a one for one copy.

That crown guard alone on Panerais is enough to put me off.

Thanks so much for always producing such great content!

Enjoyed this I am currently wearing my Casio a 158 we but early today was wearing one of my Invicta aviators

Hey Jordy! Happy Passover! Also… have you done a video on Ball watches yet? If not, what’s your thoughts on them? Keep up the good work! Also… flexing.. beast mode lol

Many luxury brands are living off their names and charging way more than they should versus the manufacturing cost. Pana-lie, You-blow and Scag-Heuer are prime examples.

J, You seem to be Panerai expert and was wondering if the radiomir PAM 190 really has a JLC movement?

My Omega chocolate speedmaster sapphire sandwich says on the case back "the first and only watch worn on the moon". Turns out Boluva was also worn there.

A modul- chronograph movement in a Panerai is cheeky !😠😠And then you know what they think about their customers !

Thank you for the update on these brands

You skipped the part where TAG Heuer started to put Sellita movements in their watches, but left the words "ETA based" on their website. Also after the Seiko debacle the watch internet forums with TH in them were on fire. So bad that during one hot thread where TH was getting killed some fool logged in as JCB was defending hard. Finally someone said "WTF do you know?" and it was then that the person revealed that they were Jean Christophe Babin, the then CEO of TH... Do I bash TH hard? YOU BET. Why? Because like many others who do, I own one. I could sell it, but I keep it as a reminder to do my research. Like most, it was my first watch and my last mistake. Then there should be an honorable mention for U-Boat putting "standard" calibers in them with a big plastic spacer ring so it fits the sewer lid of a watch. At least Panerai collected their screw ups and replaced the movement with a finished one and gave it back. You could also mention how before Swatch wanted to stop selling movements, companies were buying the rights to defunct out of business brands, digging up any relative they could find and making up a story about how they are continuing the family's history of watchmaking.... I guess they told them, they would get a suit, their picture on a brand and a check for $10k after they sign the NDA. Copy and paste the below into Google and see who and what I mean: The Brand’s Backstory To better understand’s the brand’s legacy and birth, we must start in the year 1942. The Italian Navy commissioned wristwatches for its pilots with precise technical specifications. A pilot’s watch is an important and integral instrument in the cockpit. As a result, the task itself was quite a challenge. More importantly, watchmaker Ilvo Fontana drew up designs that guaranteed optimum visibility and waterproofness. The unique design was unlike anything before. However, Ilvo’s designs never ma... The Brand’s Founding Meanwhile, decades passed and the new millennium arrived. In the year 2000, Ilvo’s grandson chanced upon the designs and blueprints of his grandfather. Subsequently, grandson

Send a copy of this vid to the marketing department of each of the offenders. Hoooo-eeee!

I mean would you really consider any of those brands to be “luxury”? I know they’re expensive ass watches in some cases but none of them have ever been known for exceptional finishing or innovation.

In happy with my seiko 5 gmt ssk005 .

🎉 Great Channel...thanks for the info 👍

What about Bremont? They also aren't exactly clear on their "in-house" movements which are actually originally designed by Horage. Bremont are essentially the British version of Hublot.

You also forgot about the glorious dumpster fire of Bremont's "in-house" movement in their Wright Flyer watch.

Thank you T3. Awesome video!

Always enjoy them. Thank you.

Great video! Thank you for telling the truth!!! Keep busting the fraud!

What about iwc. Not only the older models. Even the "new" pilots chrono 41 movement is also said to be heavily inspired by eta. Also what about breguet

A view from the UK. well done. I have been banging on for years about this. How much of the cost of a watch is in the movement. I've got a funny feeling that should you or i pursue this line of investigation, you would be very unpopular very quickly. Even "in house" made movements have components mass produced on machines for assembly. Rolex is a good example & admit to making 800,000 units a year so economies of scale come into play here regarding cost to manufacture. Yet this brand sells at ludicrous prices. There is an old saying in marketing which is; Create an image and sell that image. Off-Road 4x4 vehicles are a good example. My own passion in horology are the hand crafted movements such as the Lange & Sohne, Vacheron Constantin etc.

LoL you wanted to inspect her gadget!😅

Does Longines use in house?

That was my problem/concern with Rolex. Now they are coming with display case backs. But they are 20x more expensive. Crazy.

Maybe just get the Swatch Omega Collab, its clear what it is. Inspired Omega designed licensed watch inexpensive too.

I. Seeing the term “manufacture” used more than “in house” in my research for my next grail watch.

Better have your lawyer on speed dial.

Jodi, nice vid. ¿Have you found a watchbrand that goes out of its way to always stay true to its word?

Thanks for the info Jory

Its better to stick to tissot, longines and hamilton the best value to your money period.

I love it! I want more of this stuff... 🎉

Tag Heuer said 100% designed in house not made in house

Can TAG Heuer still print "SWISS MADE" on a watch if its movement is made by Seiko?

3 brands I would’ve never bought before seeing this video. This just reinforced what I already thought of these crap brands.

Why would anyone pay extra for a decorated movement in a watch with no display back??

I’m glad I came back. I had arbitrarily kick you out of my subscriber list but one screw tube did Jody dirty you were one of the ones that stood up for him and I respect stand up guys and I found out after watching anymore now I hate to admit it I was wrong about you. We actually agree quite a bit on watches

Lack of critique and critical media is a real problem.

The Time Teller - The truth teller!

I'm not convinced that this is as big a revelation as you're making it out to be. Most watch enthusiasts are aware of these untruthful representations.

"In house" is cool, but not everything. A good movement is a good movement even in a foreign case.

Nice job, nice investigation 😉👌

When Invicta dosnt lie as much as more premium brands ooof

Well... That's the Panerai Luminor Quaranta PAM01372 off my collection list. I followed up your video with a search across multiple platforms and watch sites, including Panerai, but couldn't find anything other than a reference to movement being 'automatic' and then a load of faff about watch straps, date windows, power reserves, and sunburst dials, with Panerai bombarding the viewer with random images of models trying to give Balenciaga a run for its money. What I found (or to he precisely the lack thereof) was enough for me to think twice. Thanks for the heads up.