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They did WHAT to the Twins?? 😑 | Dead by Daylight PTB 

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In the latest PTB, we've had the chance to try the long-awaited Twins rework and nobody seems happy with the results. In this video we interview two prominent Twins players and find out exactly what went wrong.
Guests: @LynxiDBD & @PixelBush
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@00Dragondude
@00Dragondude Месяц назад
As a former Twins main... What the hell were they thinking with this? Not only is this completely broken, but it completely goes against the spirit of what Twins was supposed to be. Victor and Charlotte felt like a team before, and you had to perform careful coordination between the two of them in order to do well. Now, it feels like Victor is the killer, and Charlotte's just on cleanup duty.
@LexysamaIllustrations
@LexysamaIllustrations Месяц назад
Yeah at this point they should make them like Chucky where Charlotte is the one that picks up and then disappears because she’s pretty useless. People just use Victor for chase.
@lukepalm9586
@lukepalm9586 Месяц назад
​@@LexysamaIllustrationsI'm imagining a Charlotte ghost carrying victor now 💀
@fallasleep3513
@fallasleep3513 Месяц назад
Victor is basically just better Chucky now
@SkySoFew
@SkySoFew Месяц назад
"You had to perform careful coordination between the two in order to do well" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Stop
@babyghast4379
@babyghast4379 Месяц назад
As a The Twins main, I would accept all these changes if Victor had the ability to latch onto healthy survivors. Maybe a normal hit latches, but the camera stays on Victor until a manual swap so that Victor can choose to jump off and continue the legion spree. The best part was latching onto a healthy survivor and surprise attacking them as Charlotte, tag-team style.
@jakekeskeys1138
@jakekeskeys1138 Месяц назад
They just wanted more then 2 people to play twins
@FirstNameHandle
@FirstNameHandle Месяц назад
than*
@pieck5460
@pieck5460 Месяц назад
Number of Twins players after change ->😮😮😮😮😮
@deeznuts4216
@deeznuts4216 Месяц назад
I don't play them cause they're mad ugly
@Doncroft1
@Doncroft1 Месяц назад
I love Twins. This rework could ruin them for me. It removes player agency and risk reward choices in favor of overpowered and uninteresting gameplay. This is bad for Twins players and survivors alike.
@DeputyFish
@DeputyFish Месяц назад
number of twins players after the change nobody still. because no matter how overpowered the twins are people would still not play them. as they are boring Charlette is literally pointless. theres no reason for charlotte to exist. she is just there to carry viktors victims back
@LynxiDBD
@LynxiDBD Месяц назад
It was great talking to you Otz, thanks for the chat! Hope BHVR are able to fix this mess 😅
@thelazerwitch8467
@thelazerwitch8467 Месяц назад
Big fan Lynxi, loved seeing my 2 fave DBD content creators collab!
@ohenthevoidwatcher3939
@ohenthevoidwatcher3939 Месяц назад
given the track record they have ?, very unlikely, will probably be given the freddy treatment of buff, nerf into the ground and never touch again
@Im_Your_Doraemon
@Im_Your_Doraemon Месяц назад
Lynxi
@BotWhisperer
@BotWhisperer Месяц назад
I just learned how to play the twins then a day later they announced these changes as the uodate
@Doncroft1
@Doncroft1 Месяц назад
You're the GOAT, Lynxi.
@italianoaj
@italianoaj Месяц назад
Victor was the real Adrenaline nerf everyone was talking about.
@NXF88
@NXF88 Месяц назад
They should have kept it 5 secs lol
@JakeobE
@JakeobE Месяц назад
@@NXF88 They should have at least allowed you to get the 3 seconds of additional 150% speed after being unhooked in endgame.
@wtgkanp2431
@wtgkanp2431 Месяц назад
To counteract this massive nerf, we at behavior have decided to add back in adrenaline's ability to wake survivors from the dream against the nightmare.
@korjezilla
@korjezilla Месяц назад
​@@JakeobEadrenaline is crazy strong No need to feel bad for it being nerfed now
@shadowflame8647
@shadowflame8647 Месяц назад
​@@korjezilla But it got 3 nerfs and they're all bad. 2 of them Adrenaline kinda needed but reducing the haste from 5 seconds to 3 is kind dumb in my opinion. I mean it can only activate once per trial and that's only if you manage to finish all 5 gens, so for it to basically just have the same stats as Sprint Burst is kind of dumb ngl.
@NUTTY-IGOR
@NUTTY-IGOR Месяц назад
damn twins OP af now, who thought giving victor a gun would change them so much
@GongusMan
@GongusMan Месяц назад
And a little hat
@CRRKabari
@CRRKabari Месяц назад
Now I want Deathslinger to have a Gatling
@noonookinz4560
@noonookinz4560 Месяц назад
Huntress still worse. Atleast I’ll play twins now. I always liked them, but never wanted to get good at them because I thought they were gonna change victor
@FABIOZITO11
@FABIOZITO11 Месяц назад
@@GongusManSpecially the hat
@lyndetuvasa
@lyndetuvasa Месяц назад
Naw victor has a bazooka 😭
@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64
@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64 Месяц назад
Like how a medium-light slap on the hand makes Xenomorph drop you.
@pedropacheco7335
@pedropacheco7335 Месяц назад
alien: kick a metal gen bare feet w no prob also alien: gets stun over a hand slap
@NinfieWasHere
@NinfieWasHere Месяц назад
Xeno is a soft kitty that can absolutely maul you
@noonookinz4560
@noonookinz4560 Месяц назад
@@NinfieWasHereKing Kong ain’t got shit. On. Me! - Denzel Washington dbd 2025 petition
@ew4525
@ew4525 Месяц назад
This DS animation is a joke, hopefully just a placeholder.
@HiHi-yk1mv
@HiHi-yk1mv Месяц назад
@@ew4525The new animation is bugged
@jasonamrhein9593
@jasonamrhein9593 Месяц назад
To me, the best part of playing Twins was watching players running in circles screaming as Victor clawed and gnawed on their faces.
@P.H691
@P.H691 Месяц назад
Every time I play survivor against twins, I always scream how I got a jockey on me. It’s so much fun
@StellarTheRainbow
@StellarTheRainbow Месяц назад
i was that survivor LMAOOO
@AveLukas42
@AveLukas42 Месяц назад
Same, loved it, especially when you see this while chasing someone else with Charlotte
@NameIsDoc
@NameIsDoc Месяц назад
@@P.H691my dream rework to twins was that Victor jockied people. Imagine him disrupting your loops by pulling you into a wall.
@P.H691
@P.H691 Месяц назад
@@NameIsDoc He then pulls you off of high ground
@BrianRocksNow
@BrianRocksNow Месяц назад
I love how Otz is doing more interviews with people in the community that specialize in different specific areas. True, Lynxie, PixelBush, etc. His audience is arguably one of the largest so reminding players that there's a creator out there for their playstyle is such a good use of his voice.
@connorallen5473
@connorallen5473 Месяц назад
I love Otz and all the content he makes, but the dude reaaaallly needs to stop interrupting the people he interviews. He’ll ask a question, let them speak for 5 seconds, and then overtake what they are saying. I completely understand that he’s just really passionate about the game, but I just feel bad for the people he interviews sometimes because it doesn’t feel like they’re able to finish their thought.
@castorrodentia2954
@castorrodentia2954 Месяц назад
@@connorallen5473 I think if you ever had to talk to someone over online on certain applications it’s really common to step on each others words due to latency. At least in my experience I and those I talk to interrupt each other a lot online.
@oscar3153
@oscar3153 Месяц назад
What does True specialize in other than being unreasonable?
@Jack.Martson
@Jack.Martson Месяц назад
@@oscar3153you clearly just dislike the guy if you don’t think he reasonable, he human dude he made mistakes but he learns and grow, he has good ideas for DBD just as Otz does and at the end of the day it just a game.
@oscar3153
@oscar3153 Месяц назад
@@Jack.Martson He just tweeted that the only problems with PTB Twins is that it’s slow when you go back to Charlotte when you use victor He asked why when a Skull Merhcant is holding 3 gen is the killer holding the game hostage and not the survivor He said “go back to your country” to people in his comment section Yep I clearly just dislike him. Obviously just human mistakes
@notOtzdarva
@notOtzdarva Месяц назад
Btw, this isn't the first time they made Twins accidentally OP on the PTB... don't forget this: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Bcf0twnBCiY.html
@Rank1Artist
@Rank1Artist Месяц назад
Everybody gangsta till the most forgotten killer is stronger than nurse 😂
@Emeowy
@Emeowy Месяц назад
Oh man that ptb was horrendous
@mrbruce4729
@mrbruce4729 Месяц назад
It's like they don't know what they're doing or something but here's a collab with a rock band you've never listened to, you can get a t-shirt
@coffechipmunk2108
@coffechipmunk2108 Месяц назад
It's so nice for lynxi to talk to such a smaller content creator like you!
@christianprevost8455
@christianprevost8455 Месяц назад
LOL LOL
@damienrosales7987
@damienrosales7987 Месяц назад
Congrats to Lynxi for putting him on the map.
@natefrm860
@natefrm860 Месяц назад
@@damienrosales7987😂😂😂😂
@natefrm860
@natefrm860 Месяц назад
Million subs is small vs her 26k followers man your right 😂😂
@xo_fate
@xo_fate Месяц назад
@@natefrm860woosh
@gayflower900
@gayflower900 Месяц назад
2:02 shoutout to that maidenless bro in chat that said "she talks so much" when otz literally asked her to share her thoughts
@squibbles_
@squibbles_ Месяц назад
I really feel for Pixel here. That feeling of a less popular killer that you really like getting reworked and made stronger at the expense of their identity was exactly how I felt about Sadako when she initially got reworked; her original iteration managed to somehow stay faithful to a horror villain who hardly even appeared in her own movie, while also being fun (imo,) and the rework with global condemnation amd projection cooldowns lost so much of that. Thankfully the devs eventually went back on a lot of those changes, and nowadays I feel she's in the best spot she's ever been in; but I worry Twins might not get that same treatment, with how long it took to rework them in the first place. Edit: nevermind, crisis averted
@crotchwhistlepurple68.95
@crotchwhistlepurple68.95 Месяц назад
This is how Freddy was reworked as well. I'm still pissed about it.
@adrioumario1369
@adrioumario1369 Месяц назад
​@@crotchwhistlepurple68.95 Actually i think we need 2 more killers to be reworked : Myers (M1 only but free 3 hook stages with 1 of 2 addons) and Trapper (DESPERATE NEED OF QOL)
@GiuIiano1020
@GiuIiano1020 Месяц назад
@@crotchwhistlepurple68.95 Freddy got absolutely destroyed after his rework, his previous power absolutely made sense, but now he is just a trash without identity with generic power
@zackmash851
@zackmash851 Месяц назад
@@adrioumario1369 trapper got massive QOL already: the add-on overhaul was INSANE for him, spawning with multiple traps, adding traps, and fixing the trap spawns... he's in a great place now
@JustSomeDinosaurPerson
@JustSomeDinosaurPerson Месяц назад
Now imagine how OG Freddy players feel. He has no identity now.
@societyman7526
@societyman7526 Месяц назад
11:45 As a big fan of Pixel Bush, this is literally the most Pixel Bush thing I’ve heard in a while lol
@babyghast4379
@babyghast4379 Месяц назад
Same. When I heard Otz say that, I thought “And that’s what makes Pixel Bush so great.”.
@Leaf__22
@Leaf__22 Месяц назад
Chess merchant
@geewoods6590
@geewoods6590 Месяц назад
9:37 Otz with the forbidden rizz, really trying to get all those downs.
@RexRocket
@RexRocket Месяц назад
isnt otz married or something like that?
@pedropacheco7335
@pedropacheco7335 Месяц назад
ngl kinda cheap lmao
@bruv1167
@bruv1167 Месяц назад
lynxi is hella cute tho
@geewoods6590
@geewoods6590 Месяц назад
@@RexRocket long term relationship i think ye, naughty boy >:)
@vhslofi
@vhslofi Месяц назад
That rizz came outta nowhere haha
@spencerbrummett6712
@spencerbrummett6712 Месяц назад
This is like having to argue with your teenager constantly just to load the dishwasher and when they finally do, they put every single dish in the wrong way.
@t_fold1537
@t_fold1537 Месяц назад
Couldn’t even tell what survivor was getting Mori’d in the beginning it was so brutal and chaotic lol
@societyman7526
@societyman7526 Месяц назад
It’s Alan. I recognize his Deep Rift outfit
@flevami
@flevami Месяц назад
As both said in the video, the Twins were never weak. They were just too clunky with a bunch of cooldowns. If they would have focused this on making them better to play and not a rework entirely, that would have been enough already. The Twins in the PTB feel a lot smoother and the quick switching between both Charlotte and Victor is great. The visual indicator of when you can kick Victor as a survivor and even the extra Haste are okay. Literally keep that and give it to the OG Twins. The PTB Twins lost all their personality and micromanaging and what made them unique and fun. Just to be a plain easy killing machine that will probably end up getting the numbers changed until they are nerfed into the ground...
@razerblaze070
@razerblaze070 Месяц назад
sadly it looks like this is the gameplan for "reworking" killers as of late
@empiyrr2133
@empiyrr2133 Месяц назад
They could’ve done something similar to the billy rework with just overall buffs but to me it seems like BHVR tried to stop the twins from slugging which is why we have this mess
@RetryAgainAgain
@RetryAgainAgain Месяц назад
This suggestion is exactly what I had in mind, and I think it is the most realistic option that will make for a better experience overall than what came before. I don't know how they are going to fix the slugging problem for survivors, though. They probably won't for a bit.
@the1necromancer
@the1necromancer Месяц назад
But you see, QoL improvements and bug fixing takes effort. Slapping on a simple If-Then Deshayes Switch and giving Victor enduring can be done in an an afternoon.
@kingol4801
@kingol4801 Месяц назад
Why not…. Keep twins as they are on ptb. It is really simple. They can remain that relentless murder machine they were always meant to be
@makuIa
@makuIa Месяц назад
from the title, I didn’t know if the notification was going to bring me to youtube or redtube
@shugo5130
@shugo5130 Месяц назад
RU-vid is red.
@Doncroft1
@Doncroft1 Месяц назад
I wish this was Redtube in this case. I don't like what's happening to DBD Twins.
@TheRealSwol
@TheRealSwol Месяц назад
Who’s gonna tell @shugo5130
@CallMeMistaPepe
@CallMeMistaPepe Месяц назад
@@TheRealSwolI’ll sit this one out, anyone else?
@scientificreligious
@scientificreligious Месяц назад
LMAOOOO
@reivoidwalker
@reivoidwalker Месяц назад
9:35 Otz is saying here that the devs need to pay more attention to content creators, especially when it comes to balance issues. This is so very true and I can’t express enough how much I agree. The devs listen to data and money mostly. Who has the lowest kill rate, what group of survivors has the highest death rate, how to help solo queue, etc. And of course money, what characters and cosmetics are the most popular. The devs need to start listening to people who have been playing specific killers for feedback. The people that have been playing them the longest are going to have the best ideas for necessary changes, because they have the most objective data with all their playtime. They could ask for advice, or even just ask them to help out. New killers obviously are a bit different, but reworks for existing killers are a whole new bag. I think one or two Twins mains should’ve been consulted simply because that’s the smart thing to do
@Immorchire
@Immorchire Месяц назад
They done gave the French cigarettes
@jakewhitmore6046
@jakewhitmore6046 Месяц назад
They straight up turned the twins into napoleon 😂
@TheRealMycanthrope
@TheRealMycanthrope Месяц назад
They're all hopped on wine and baguettes, we can't stop them!
@NameIsDoc
@NameIsDoc Месяц назад
They told the French about revolutions
@SybieWee
@SybieWee Месяц назад
Twins would probably need some number tweaks on top of this, but I think a decent change would be to lean into the "sticking together" counter that Twins sorta have on live: When a survivor is hit by Victor, they can't kick him, but other survivors can. He'd still be frustrating if you're caught alone (so maybe he should have a slightly longer hit cooldown and/or slightly slower movement speed), but this would make it so *something* can be done about him. This would also make the Twins players have to make choices on which survivors to target instead of just immediately hitting every healthy person they see.
@sabotagethefool
@sabotagethefool Месяц назад
Nah that would make them a solo q stomper that is wrecked by decent SWF, which is already an issue for most things.
@reivoidwalker
@reivoidwalker Месяц назад
@@sabotagethefoolbut it’s something. They have to do something, y’know? There’s no way they can leave Victor as he is right now, he’s not just a pub stomper but a SWF and comp team stomper too. What would your change idea be? I see criticism but no idea to help change it. The Twins are lethal and there is nothing the survivors can do about it. This change would require teamwork and sticking together, something that isn’t usually recommended in high level DBD. Just do gens together and you’ll be safer, but only against the Twins. I think it’s a good idea
@Tarneshd
@Tarneshd Месяц назад
@@sabotagethefool Twins already is a solo q stomper. Victor can currently only get multiple downs if survivors spread out while injured.
@Aiwuki
@Aiwuki Месяц назад
the only thing that worked in ptb was obviously the new store for dbd
@thegreatestnoob1243
@thegreatestnoob1243 Месяц назад
I wonder why
@fart63
@fart63 Месяц назад
Fortnite ahh store
@300Walk
@300Walk Месяц назад
I've said for years these companies are HARD focused on pushing cosmetics that cost money... They put more effort into cosmetics and the store than they do balancing and gameplay😂😂😂 Pathetic dev team
@SkySoFew
@SkySoFew Месяц назад
​@@300Walk1. Separate teams 2. Yeah, literally every game developer wants to make money.
@urgae9125
@urgae9125 Месяц назад
@@SkySoFewthere’s a difference between wanting to make money, and making us wait YEARS for Twins bugs being fixed/Twins being polished. They didn’t even FINISH making the Twins before they released. We’ve had more cosmetic marketing the past month than we’ve had the game updated with QOL/overhaul for weak killers/soloq the past 3 months.
@unyanizedcatboys
@unyanizedcatboys Месяц назад
9:49 ah yes ofc, it’s not that BHVR didn’t know what the community was thinking abt twins, they just saw and went “lol, lmao no” like they did with every suggestion Otz has ever made :v
@inmate92
@inmate92 Месяц назад
And next stream they'll be like "We always want to make sure to listen to our lovely community's feedback and find ways to improve communication even further" Uhuh...
@isabelasoares4673
@isabelasoares4673 Месяц назад
otz this video is such a nice format!!! Have u ever thought about having a dbd podcast? Where you talk to mains about things, players, etc, it’s really fun!!
@rafaelmusa954
@rafaelmusa954 Месяц назад
no
@Tempenwerfer
@Tempenwerfer Месяц назад
Myers: *I feel like a killer dying of BP watching another killer drown in buffs*
@humblemestizo5442
@humblemestizo5442 Месяц назад
Goated tfs reference
@oscar3153
@oscar3153 Месяц назад
Can’t really buff Myers with his tonbestone/infinite T3 addons still there
@lev1eye628
@lev1eye628 Месяц назад
Yea.. I think this would’ve fixed the twins (and Im reworking them from their live state not ptb) Basekit Changes: -Victor: •Victor charges his pounce 0.2 seconds quicker (Toy sword basekit) When Victor hits an injured survivor, it takes 4.5 seconds to recover with Victor instead of 5 seconds (I feel like this will give Victor some more flexibility and feel a lot better to play as) •After you hit an injured survivor, you are able to switch to Charlotte during Victor’s Recovery. You CANNOT do this if you miss a shot with Victor. •Whenever Victor is kicked while idle or when you miss a pounce, it will take 10 seconds to respawn on Charlotte instead of 6 seconds. That way survivors won’t constantly be going against Victor. (This does not apply when Victor is attached onto a survivor and gets crushed or if you recall him, doing such will remain at 6 seconds the cooldowns will feel a little bit better which would decrease slugging a lot less, especially because you can swap to charlotte much earlier to pick up a downed survivor. -Charlotte •Charlotte now takes 2.5 Seconds to wake up instead of 3 seconds. Whenever a survivor does kick Victor, they get killer instinct for like 4 seconds and Charlotte will become enraged for the next 15 seconds . -While enraged, Charlotte will get a 10% Haste effect. -Additionally the next healthy survivor she hits will be inflicted with deep wounds. -After hitting a survivor, Enrage deactivates. Although adding a little slowdown isn’t needed for their current play style, you could definitely make some new other plays with it. Only did this so the Twins feel more flexible and comfortable to play. Right now many people believe they are in a weird and clunky spot, Charlotte is also just a normal m1 killer, so I think these changes will add a little more variety to her kit. Some issues that should be addressed: •Whenever you leave Victor idle for 25 seconds or more, you have the ability to recall him to attach to you. •Whenever a Survivor is holding Victor hostage for more than 16 Seconds, you have the ability to recall him. •Whenever a survivor is in the process of being sacrificed on the hook, you have to ability to swap to either Charlotte or Victor. (I can not tell you how many games I lost just from that happening) •Whenever you hook a survivor next to Victor, he will immediately be recalled to Charlotte •Maybe removing Victor’s collision while you’re carrying a survivor so he doesn’t body block you. Now before I get into the add on changes I do wanna say that my goal was to try to make the add ons useful instead of useless. Non-Changed Add Ons: Tiny Fingernail Bloody Black Hood Rusted Needle Madeleine’s Scarf Victor’s Soldier Forest Stew Silencing Cloth Iridescent Pendant Changed Add ons: •Toy Sword: Victor moves 10% faster while charging up a pounce (Made current effect basekit) •Soured Milk: Increases Victor alert range by +4 meters The Cat Figurine displays the location of where you are going to pounce, now this add on is quite inaccurate and when you pounce closely to something, you actually will not be able to see because the white line is blocking your view, however I made it so it’s still kind of a guiding add on that will help players so I changed it so •Cat Figurine: Victor can see Scratch Marks I feel like this will help players be able to track down survivors as Victor and not be completely lost. •Madeleine’s Glove: Increases the time Victor is attached to a survivor or locks a survivor in a locker by 2 Seconds •Ceremonial Candelabrum: Whenever Victor pounces a survivor, they will be inflicted with the Mangled effect for 75 seconds. •Cat’s Eye: Whenever Charlotte hits a survivor during Enrage mode, they need to mend 3 seconds longer. -Enraged mode last 5 seconds longer Baby Teeth: Increase the maximum distance at which Victor can pounce by 4 meters. •Weighty Rattle: Removing Victor from a survivor by any means inflicts Broken for 25 Seconds. (buff by 5 seconds) So this works even when you recall Victor from an attached survivor as well •Stale Biscuit: Whenever a survivor kicks Victor, they will suffer from Oblivious for 40 Seconds. •Sewer Sludge: Whenever Victor is attached to a survivor, they will be hindered by 3% until he is removed. •Spinning Top: Whenever Victor is attached onto a survivor, press the *active ability* button so he will jump on any nearby survivors within a 7 meter range if they are in his line of sight. -This will cause affected survivors to be injured. •Drop of Perfume: While Victor is attached to a Survivor, they can only slow or medium vault.
@tonyth9240
@tonyth9240 Месяц назад
I ain't readin all that, but sounds good
@viperxvii
@viperxvii Месяц назад
Ohhh, Lynxi! Awesome! I found her vids last year and marveled at her Twins prowess. Good pick grabbing her for this discussion!
@Mann_Person
@Mann_Person Месяц назад
Can I just say I expected this legendary Twins render to return for this video, but I couldn't have thought it'd come back like this! Funny how one render can be so open to interpretation 😂
@Fati817h
@Fati817h Месяц назад
9:37 Im clipping this and sending directly to Nina‼️😨😤
@solarrayz6534
@solarrayz6534 Месяц назад
😭
@SupremeEnlightened
@SupremeEnlightened Месяц назад
Lynxi can finally share her thoughts with twins players about dbd, now that people actually start playing twins
@youngiso.
@youngiso. Месяц назад
thats what im saying before this buff everyone hated and down talked twins. NOW US TWIN MAINS WE UP NOW🫡. They should keep this buff and never change it survivors are too op.
@Shuffles_Art
@Shuffles_Art Месяц назад
I feel like they could’ve easily fixed all of the issues with twins by just making it much easier to go pick up a survivor, incentivising picking up a survivor over slugging them. It would be great to just add something that made it so Charlotte can follow Victor around to lead her closer to the survivor. Maybe if there was some sort of victor shriek that calls Charlotte to the position of the shriek, making her move slower than normal just so she’s not mistaken for being controlled by the player. That way, by the time you down a survivor you can have Charlotte far closer to them and making it way easier to just walk over and pick them up. The instant switch after getting a hit is also a great idea to help take out the sluggish nature of Twins’ gameplay.
@plazmer1176
@plazmer1176 Месяц назад
7 views in 45 seconds, Otz channel it's growing up amazingly well!
@Warmness
@Warmness Месяц назад
Otz casually summoned the all 3 members of The Twin Mains
@rileymoore7025
@rileymoore7025 Месяц назад
They just turned him into a tiny Demo 😭
@chattychatotchannel
@chattychatotchannel Месяц назад
thank you for consulting the twins mains it was really insightful :D
@LVL5Start
@LVL5Start Месяц назад
Made me really happy to hear my two favorite DBD streamers having a chat ❤
@felipo2858
@felipo2858 Месяц назад
an interesting idea to the twins is that you can disable viktor by interacting with the standing Charlotte when she uses her power
@djekdozovitch3679
@djekdozovitch3679 Месяц назад
You already can disable Victor if Charlotte is stunned by any means. Pallet or Head On will do just fine.
@xxSandt21xx
@xxSandt21xx Месяц назад
Lynxi has always been one of the biggest sweethearts in DBD history. It’s impossible to dislike her 🥰🥰
@Alone-gu7hu
@Alone-gu7hu Месяц назад
I just love when Otz get together with people and discuss relevant points of view.
@dawnsluna5702
@dawnsluna5702 Месяц назад
I appreciate Lynxi not seeming to take the changes personally, and trying to have a chill conversation about how to balance/fix the current rework.
@babyghast4379
@babyghast4379 Месяц назад
Same, but it is cathartic to hear Pixel Bush speak my mind as a fellow The Twins player.
@abbyanderson2463
@abbyanderson2463 Месяц назад
to be fair being mad is valid, imagine raining a killer for two year despite all the shit that came with it in terms of bugs because you love their identity so much and then they just throw it in the trash.
@dawnsluna5702
@dawnsluna5702 Месяц назад
@@abbyanderson2463 I understand what you mean, but I do think there's a difference between being frustrated with a change and trying to offer suggestions on how to improve, compared to being so mad you're claiming BHVR has ruined a killer's identity (an identity that BHVR has the last say on btw, given its their character), going on rants without letting others speak/interject, saying that the whole thing should be scrapped instead of giving constructive feedback, and having an overall disrespectful tone about the devs themselves. If BHVR didn't scrap the Trickster rework, they won't scrap this one given the amount of time/effort that went in. So its best to try and take things in stride, and give constructive, respectful feedback in the hopes that Twins ends up landing in a better spot than they are now.
@latinalover26
@latinalover26 Месяц назад
​@@dawnsluna5702survivors don't want to deal with twins
@SqueletteCoolG
@SqueletteCoolG Месяц назад
​@@dawnsluna5702 I assume that you saw the stream and it was more obnoxious that what was shown in the video right? I mean, it's not like there are any channels of discussion or feedback considering that we're only given one PTB before things go live, without any other possibility of review or discussing stuff. As a software developer, I find it hard to keep my respect for them if they are okay releasing that sort of thing without testing internally (or testing at all) or getting more feedback, idk maybe i'm cruel
@ethanbell5901
@ethanbell5901 Месяц назад
Love discussion content! More pls
@callmeelkVR
@callmeelkVR Месяц назад
9:38 Otz is the rizzler of oz
@Vampyreal
@Vampyreal Месяц назад
This genuinely is just chaos. They tipped the scales too far the other way for the lovely Twins. Great video, Otz! Much love to you all!
@The_WIll_OF_D99
@The_WIll_OF_D99 Месяц назад
I would love to see Pixel Bush's entiee Rant because how he speaks so deeply about a character imo fun to see. Especially as a former Twins main
@Bonjemus
@Bonjemus Месяц назад
Twin meta sounds crazy.
@MythicTF2
@MythicTF2 Месяц назад
Honestly, what I'd like for PTBs is instead of roughly 3 days of a PTB, if they left it up for a week or 2 and iterated on feedback DURING the PTB and hot-patched the PTB to test alternative changes in cases like this instead of what it is rn which is needing to wait for it to go to live servers for us to get small changes that things need after the PTB.
@tomkelly2388
@tomkelly2388 Месяц назад
I’ve waited my whole life for this
@EddyGordoGOAT
@EddyGordoGOAT Месяц назад
So close to a mill otz🙏🏼
@atlaszateman5288
@atlaszateman5288 Месяц назад
Holy hell, all of the 2 twin mains in the world are rejoicing
@domiforti1149
@domiforti1149 Месяц назад
Outdated joke
@Warmness
@Warmness Месяц назад
@@domiforti1149It is pronounced “old school”
@domiforti1149
@domiforti1149 Месяц назад
@@Warmness No it’s not.
@jules4052
@jules4052 Месяц назад
as a twins player this rework is ass
@konerking4293
@konerking4293 Месяц назад
Gotta love when they buff a character you play so much that you no longer feel like you're playing them but rather just along for the ride, this is Sadako all over again dammit.
@Eel33762
@Eel33762 Месяц назад
I think all the swapping back and forth faster is good, they just need to make Victors attack cooldown longer and make him slower during the attack cooldown
@QuizKing-UK
@QuizKing-UK Месяц назад
Bro I checked your channel for PTB opinions literally 30 seconds before this video dropped
@justabaron2686
@justabaron2686 Месяц назад
If i had a nickel for every broken Twins' PTB, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
@cadenphillips4235
@cadenphillips4235 Месяц назад
If I had a nickel for every time behavior fucked up an update because they didn’t listen to people like otz instead of the general comment I would be rich
@shadowspeedyhighlights
@shadowspeedyhighlights Месяц назад
As someone who loves twins and have tried to show ways to make Twins fun to play against and as, this change is horrible. What I would like to see, is: victor being more of a "vision" pawn, I would keep the Victor jumps on the healthy survivor, granting killer instinct on the jumped survivor and any close survivors to them. when successfully hitting a survivor, and awaking to Charlotte you have a haste boost. (recall victor after 5 seconds) when you down a survivor Victor will latch to the survivor (like PTB) and will give the same killer instinct as it does in normal. You get a haste boost when you return to Charlotte. The attached survivor can not heal until Victor is removed and crawls at 25% speed, it takes 5 seconds to remove, an ally can help you and remove it 2X as fast.(so 2.5 if they are there right away) removing killer when victor is "attached (injured or down) it takes 10 seconds to use again. if he is normally kicked (idle) or kicked due to a miss it will take 20 seconds to bring Victor back. Addons should be somewhat what they are now (normal DBD) with addon giving status effects for kicking victor or maybe adding some quicker cooldown on kicked victors and such Twins could be fun play as or against, I didn't feel they were that bad, its just alot of bugs and others just playing Twins one way kinda of gave twins there bad name but they felt different then all the other killers when you use Victor as more of a vision or a quick health state rather than a slug machine and that is where I would put the changes in, more incentive for survivors to get rid of Victor, and more incentive for the killer to use the vision of victor. sorry for the lengthy comment
@alex4mseattle
@alex4mseattle Месяц назад
🤔
@carlthepumpkinman
@carlthepumpkinman Месяц назад
Best wishes to Lynxi! Wish her a speedy recovery and best of luck in chemo
@Ariamaki
@Ariamaki Месяц назад
Speaking as a designer, this feels like the kind of 'test' build you throw together to see what sticks and what doesn't: There's very little chance they ever intended to have all of this go live as-is, but by bulk testing all the changes they can start getting a grasp on which ones work and which ones are too much. Victor body-gripping and Charlotte speed, maybe fine! 3 health states in 9 seconds, maybe not. :V
@keltonschleyer6367
@keltonschleyer6367 Месяц назад
“What if Demo was 150% move speed?”
@HiHi-yk1mv
@HiHi-yk1mv Месяц назад
That doggy should be 200%
@victorhelton5693
@victorhelton5693 Месяц назад
Seems like Victor should be kickable by other survivors after a hit, and give Charlotte a tremendous cool down after he gets killed by any means. Doing so would make Twins counter play a matter of sticking together when Victor is around, then splitting up for the predictable long cooldown.
@notgabriel8624
@notgabriel8624 Месяц назад
So cool you got Lynxi to weigh in I was just thinking of the two of y’all collabing! I seriously think we should’ve kept latching to healthy survivors and downed survivors. If they keep him on their head too long Victor will down them, eliminating the hostage situations and nerfing the annoying slugging at the same time! That, with keeping the haste when Victor is latched to somebody and the treasured recall button for more control of your power and twins seems in a good place. We didn’t need to go THIS crazy with the power.
@TheReaper002
@TheReaper002 Месяц назад
You already know this is gonna make it to live as is, as it always has.
@baileyharrell7741
@baileyharrell7741 Месяц назад
Why don’t they just make it so victor is always kickable? That would make it so you can’t do the play of getting up right next to survivors and pouncing, and it would encourage higher skill pounces. He would still have the immunity after a pounce, but making him always kickable would add a ton more counter play
@unvatocualquiera5814
@unvatocualquiera5814 Месяц назад
We just want to kick the child
@MihaiDurus
@MihaiDurus Месяц назад
9:37 Otz has the Rizz
@Verddukt
@Verddukt Месяц назад
The Rizzard of Otz
@corbano9679
@corbano9679 Месяц назад
I say he gets a cool down on his lunge attack when he succeeds in one it enters cooldown and he has a standard m1 for that duration. Also during that duration he is slowed like a reverse haste.
@WinterElznic
@WinterElznic Месяц назад
We should get a victor haste affect for on release with a 10-15 second duration. Then drop his speed to where he only has his lunge and no longer nutty speed unless you pick him up more
@irontarkus6515
@irontarkus6515 Месяц назад
Keep the QOL changes, make it so victor will attach to a survivor no matter what so victor can't go on a rampage for free, and keep the haste then they'd be fine for sure.
@bluedout9863
@bluedout9863 Месяц назад
listen, hear me out, they just need to nerf the pig
@complimentarytrash5726
@complimentarytrash5726 Месяц назад
I actually picked up twins about 2 months ago and I can say other than the bugs they felt great, to echo what others said they felt like a TEAM. But this rework just makes Victor the killer and Charlotte an afterthought. I'm super scared on how they're going to "recover" or "balance" this change. Being able to recall Victor is a great change and the increased switching speed between the two is wonderful. If those fixes we implemented without any of the crazy nonsense I'd be a happy twins player.
@itsthatguyagain
@itsthatguyagain Месяц назад
They could even give Victor a second delay for triggering victors pounce where he crouches down and then does his lunge for a way to balance it (That way you have a little bit of time to dodge)
@liptonpipton4135
@liptonpipton4135 Месяц назад
They need to hire otz
@Prowl_X74v3
@Prowl_X74v3 Месяц назад
Bro I quit the game like 10 months ago and I'm seeing this in my recommended. I can't believe they buffed the Twins 🤣
@rabbidguarddog
@rabbidguarddog Месяц назад
Watching lynxi play current twins is like... Hysterical laughter. Bvhr may have succeeced in limiting slugging with twins... but from my pov, lynxi had a lot of fun slugging. (From a twins main i miss...the latching...one of the funniest interactions that dbd had to offer...but how does the new...latching...make me want to slug less as twins? Seriously survivors, hug my victor or die.) 😂❤
@vesperancetv4546
@vesperancetv4546 Месяц назад
What if it took 3 health states? 1st is a status effect/infection, 2nd is injured, 3rd is downed. OR OR OR What if an immediate down from Victor requires an initial hit from Charlotte. If you hit with Victor first, after a cooldown of like 20 seconds, this requirement goes away (shown on Survivor & Killer HUD). If you hit within that time limit, Victor latches on to the survivor as before & Charlotte gains haste. Also keep the change where Victor stays on the downed survivor & Charlotte gains haste. This would still keep pressure on survivors , forces them to stay healed (as before), removes the slugging playstyle, & doesn't really change how they feel to play.
@zhongxina2614
@zhongxina2614 Месяц назад
I played the Twins and against the Twins and here are my thoughts: -The Twins is much easier than nurse or Blight to play -The Twins is the strongest killer (Better than Nurse and Blight by a lot IMO) -It literally doesn't matter if you make mistakes it barely punishes you -It's only counterplay is a select few pallets/windows on a select few loops, even then I still found it easy to overcome them Only the high level Nurse and Blight players can compete against the new Twins.
@FndMusic
@FndMusic Месяц назад
Ok
@onepiecer8622
@onepiecer8622 Месяц назад
So heres my take on how to fix Twins: how about anytime you injure someone with victor, the survivor gets like 10 or 15 secs of endurance, and anytime you hit someone with victor while they have endurance, they can kick you into outer space. That would fix both the aspect of being double tapped, and the fact victor can easily tunnel rn. Maybe slap on a bigger cooldown after hitting an endurance survivor as well, so they can definetly kick you. Like 3 secs cooldown should be enough
@DeputyFish
@DeputyFish Месяц назад
how about just none of this. its not gonna ever be fixed. because the problem is and will be that its old legion. its literally old legion or new legion even. its a guaranteed down. doent matter how long it takes. its guaranteed in case you didnt play during those times. PTB legion his OG release. was one of the strongest killers the game has ever known. because he would down you. no matter what. you eventually went down. one stab, then another stab, then another stab, deep wounds didnt pause while running. so just your deep wounds would just keep going down til you fell. thats viktor right now
@onepiecer8622
@onepiecer8622 Месяц назад
@@DeputyFish so you mean there is no counterplay? i dont understand that in my design, cos the scenario would be: 1. hit injure, you get endurance, now he can wait the like 15 secs, which should be enough time to get to somewhere stronger or get help, or you get hit, where you can crush victor for a long cooldown, and mend. In the best case, its gonna play out like with legion. From a killer who theres no counterplay for, to someone who has a hit and run like ability and jumps from one survivor to the next. Charlotte is probs just gonna have a pocket legion, which doesnt run on a timer and cant vault stuff
@DeputyFish
@DeputyFish Месяц назад
its that you get hit again. theres no counter. its just a time race. @@onepiecer8622 that would just make again LEGION PTB
@DeputyFish
@DeputyFish Месяц назад
your suggestion makes it so again the character is overpowered at hit an run. just better than all other hit and run characters. instead of insta downing you now just hit one go find another with your infinite legion power. then go hit another repeat now there all injured you go down one cause the endurance ended. its literally 6.0 legion legions 5.2 takes 2-2.5 hits to get as fast as victor. so why would you play legion?@@onepiecer8622 without a terror radius who's smaller
@DeputyFish
@DeputyFish Месяц назад
the fact of hte matter is. victor hitting someone needs to kill him. @@onepiecer8622 if victor can continue hitting people without a way to stop him. he will always eat. they could make it so the pesron who gets hit can kick him or another survivor can. but obviously this makes it so SWF is stronger and solo is worst.
@peasantVT
@peasantVT Месяц назад
I got to play with Lynxi on one of the custom games, It was just so hard to counter the twins. But Lynxi is just a fantastic player in general, I also played on Umbra's stream after Lynxi raided her to try and see if Overcome would work against the twins too .... and no surprise they just catch up to you in a split second like it's insane they thought this was a good idea. I know twins needed a buff but THIS WAS WAY TOO MUCH. Also, For people that didn't know,. Lynxi was dealing with a bunch of stuff and going through a rough time on that stream, She recently got diagnosed with breast cancer, Really sad news. I really do hope the best for her and I hope she can beat it.❤
@PlagueOfGripes
@PlagueOfGripes Месяц назад
I feel like Twins has an identity crisis. Is Victor the main play style? Is he an anti loop mechanic? A split map pressure power? I'm not sure what BHVR wants. My general thought is that playing Victor is the fun part, so I understand the focus. Charlotte is more just the m1. I see what they were trying to accomplish by making him latch on a down, but he's so fast and inescapable that it doesn't quite work. Haste is overused and he's simply too fast and too forgiving and can be used like a budget Legion to wipe five health states early. I think his lunge needs more of an apparent charge that can still be dodged at close range to prevent the typical Victor plays of just walking into your hit box until you're sure the attack is unavoidable. Maybe make the charge kickable so it's more of a mid range move so the survivor can risk attacking. Don't make him crushable after a miss, but simply go into the hit success animation. There are a few ways to fix his lunging without resorting to long cooldowns or always latching, but I'm not sure what Twins players want out of the experience. You can make his power work off tokens, require double hits to down, auto return to Charlotte after two hits, etc. I don't think letting him be budget Legion is a good idea though.
@Dreigonix
@Dreigonix Месяц назад
This is gonna take some rebalancing, but it is honestly satisfying as hell to see Twins getting to rampage over everyone after being bottom of the barrel for so long. XD
@OperatorError0919
@OperatorError0919 Месяц назад
You say that like Twins were ever at any point weak, outside of their own beta release. Twins have been strong for years, they just feel awful to play as and against.
@Dreigonix
@Dreigonix Месяц назад
@@OperatorError0919 It’s because you have to slug like a motherfucker to play them effectively, and if you don’t do that, you’ve basically got nothing.
@DeputyFish
@DeputyFish Месяц назад
yep. its almost like people forget they are usually used in tournaments @@OperatorError0919
@fart63
@fart63 Месяц назад
Twins have never been weak. Good twins players have always been able to stomp
@IsThatDonnieDiddle
@IsThatDonnieDiddle Месяц назад
😂 even the twins main and Otz said the twins weren't weak
@Lafret17
@Lafret17 Месяц назад
Otz.. STOP CUTTING PEOPLE OFF MID SENTENCE.
@beardedsunshine
@beardedsunshine Месяц назад
I think they should keep everything except make Victor a bit slower in general, make his successful attack cool down 5 seconds but in the 5 seconds he walks as slow as nurse after she fatigues, and every subsequent pounce after his first successful one takes longer to charge. Either that or make him Legion to where every hit from Victor puts you in deep wounds. Victor attaches to you on first hit, and you can either choose to come off (and go after another survivor) or switch to Charlette. While Victor is attached, you keep the haste buff and the survivor who has victor on gets the Oblivious status effect.
@aydenluther4756
@aydenluther4756 Месяц назад
I like the direction of making victor more dangerous and lethal, maybe they could just nerf cooldown times, missed attack times, and maybe a slight stun if you hit a wall. I’m just happy kick is gone cause it’s not fun at all to get insta countered and no ability for missing once
@FrostyTheNightmare
@FrostyTheNightmare Месяц назад
“They either overbuff, overnerf, do changes that weren’t needed and ignore most killers who needed buffs/nerfs the most”
@uwuthanizemepls6125
@uwuthanizemepls6125 Месяц назад
add a kick and stomp, you kick if he hits and it stuns him for a few seconds and stomp if he misses that causes him to respawn on charlotte this means even if a team mate gets hit someone else can kick and stun him while the hit target runs away OR if you're hit you can kick him yourself so you have a few seconds to make distance but he'll still be able to chase after the stun runs out
@lobautumny9116
@lobautumny9116 Месяц назад
The big _problem_ with the idea of making Victor have counterplay such that the pounce is actually dodgable is that he doesn't have a basic attack, so if they made that change but didn't give him a basic attack, there would be a lot of tiles where he can't actually reasonably get a hit at all against a good surv. Genuinely, I think the only way to actually make Twins work would be to either make it a matter of the player _just_ playing as Charlotte with Victor being a projectile/deployable, or to slow Victor down and give him the full capabilities of a killer (being able to kick things, pick people up, basic attack, etc.) and then also give Charlotte some kind of power or unique traits of her own (maybe have her have a bit of stealth?), and just let them literally be two somewhat weak killers that the player can switch between.
@Nathan-vs2vq
@Nathan-vs2vq Месяц назад
otz great job getting lynxi's opinion she is literally such a great twins player
@hellhoundette
@hellhoundette Месяц назад
I love how, as an Australian, youtube decided to give me ads in French for this video and this video only
@Triple8_Extras
@Triple8_Extras Месяц назад
A feature that could potentially help with a lot of problems, especially with Twins right now, is if they made a change to how the hooks work for each killer. For example, if you played as Twins survivors would have to be hooked 3 times before dying, rather than 2. Not sure how they'd do it, but a feature like that which detects whether the killer (or their build) is to OP and alters the total hook stages could be interesting.
@tatakae80
@tatakae80 Месяц назад
This was the only killer change I was excited for in like forever cause Twins always were underrated but now I learned again I can never trust BHVR. This is not what Twins is supposed to be. And now that I think about it, they never really should have reworked her, there were 2 problems: The slugging and the counter against Twins by just holding smol Victor - fix these things and dont completely rework her, i mean there are many other possibilities to change these problems
@ScoopsAhoySteve
@ScoopsAhoySteve Месяц назад
They should incentivize long distance pounces more. Sort of like a “high risk high reward” sort of play style. Maybe have it so if Victor is right on your butt when he launches he attaches to survivors like in the original state of the twins and if you’re right on their butt while they’re injured they simply go into deep wound and you can get kicked. However, if you launch and land on a survivor from like 16meters away then you can continue your victor assault / down the survivor if they’re injured. Victor would attach to the surv that got downed in order to not promote slugging. This would make Victor decently affective in injuring survivors (like the current state), but he’d have to work more for the downs that he can so easily get with this current ptb. This would of course make Victor less chase oriented, but in my opinion, a chase against Victor isn’t really a chase at all, it’s simply a one-sided slaughter.
@Kraleck
@Kraleck Месяц назад
A possible rework to Victor's pounce could involve the Twins' lore of being poor peasants where, if Victor pounces a Survivor carrying something, he steals the Survivor's item, teleports back to Charlotte to play with it (forcing control back to Charlotte with a mild cooldown on releasing Victor again), and drops the item at Charlotte's feet (something similar to Franklin's Demise without the gradual charge depletion). This could also be a mild buff to the Hoarder Perk since Survivors will want to pick up items to avoid Victor latching onto them.
@FaeChangeling
@FaeChangeling Месяц назад
I think the big issue is that the PTB should be for testing, so devs could try out just about anything and get feedback and be able to completely roll back changes if they're not better for the game, but instead everything that goes to PTB is basically guaranteed to go to live servers with only a few bug fixes.
@Tobi-qu7go
@Tobi-qu7go Месяц назад
When you down someone with victor, they should be able to instantly get up if the timer on victor is finished (not when he's kicked on a down survivor) to prevent constant slugging
@brensnorf
@brensnorf Месяц назад
I wonder if they'll try a system where Victor will cling onto survivors when injuring them, and also when downing them, maybe encouraging a play style of Charlotte getting them injured, and Victor getting them down. I don't know if that would fix the problem though.
@r2rovids569
@r2rovids569 Месяц назад
if you are strugllin againts twins loop victor in small areas like rocks he strugles as he needs 2 seconds to charges and while he does that u are already moving around
@rilo121
@rilo121 Месяц назад
When I read the patch notes, I thought for sure they'd made it so victor can take your first health state, but after that he grabs you and buffs Charlotte's move speed. I didn't actually think they'd just decide to let you play as a walking, breathing huntress hatchet.
@Inacurate
@Inacurate Месяц назад
My suggestion would be to bring back the original mechanic a bit, and yes thought up on the fly so may have holes. Make a pounce onto a healthy survivor attach Victor to their back, and after x time he is thrown off to the ground, staggered with x delay in being able to move, unable to be kicked for x seconds. Haste still given to Charlotte for as long as Victor is not on the ground, and as with new mechanic, any successful hit automatically switches killer POV to Charlotte. Add-ons could adjust timings either way, so Twins player can choose if they want Victor to to stay on longer (for haste bonus) or shorter (for more Victor control) depending on their playstyle.
@Unlogo
@Unlogo Месяц назад
4:50 Bubba has this immunity aswell when you get hit while you have the enduring status effect
@monke6395
@monke6395 Месяц назад
"They all laughed at us Victor, well look whose laughing now!"
@dismentaler
@dismentaler Месяц назад
I wonder if they could somehow combine new and old twins, where viktor still latches onto the downed survivor, but also latches onto healthy survivors when he hits. Maybe in the case of viktor latching onto the survivor, there could be a timer where, if the survivor doesn't get rid of viktor they go down (maybe that's too strong?). I'd have to see what a twins would look like if both of those cases existed at once. It would push them away from slugging as much (I could be wrong) but it might push them towards tunneling more. In reality, bhvr is probably not gonna try any interesting adjustments to rework the feel of twins and just introduce another game breaking bug that makes twins unplayable, instead of actually fixing them.
@FFGucciFeet
@FFGucciFeet Месяц назад
I kind of wish they made twins like chogall in hots where 2 people play the same character but have wildly different responsibilities where maybe victor cant injure but can debuff and be a general nuisance while charlotte does most of the attacking/ gen regression but has the ability to summon back victor idk something atleast more unique than what they currently have
@ghozbie77
@ghozbie77 Месяц назад
I have a suggestion: Since the iridescent shards can only be obtained by earning xp and xp depends 100% on the time you spend in the game (limited to 600 per game), why not make the rift challenges also give you xp? This way we have something "active" to do to get fragments a little faster and buy killers, survs and perks.
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