I'm convinced when drivers are doing a move "as if the other car isn't there", it's because they're used to driving against AI and just bully their way into a corner, knowing the AI will back off to avoid collision.
I noticed the AI does this in ACC when practicing for a league race at Watkins Glen. I don’t mind it, but it does worry me if i’m making bad racing habits from the practice
@@-YELDAH Yeah, that generally happen when they are passing a supposed less experience and by consequence slower driver: sometimes they just send it like you are not there, happened to me in some endurance races
@@bsktball241 i really dislike the ACC AI. Its always one almost perfect train. They all have kind of the same pace, which makes it very predictable. And the fact that they move aside or stop a dive when you move towards them 1000% of the time even on 100% aggressiveness, makes them very weak imho
In that F1 incident, there was another point that was missed. The Green car slows down right before going to stack the field. That's illegal in pretty much all forms of racing. The leader needs to maintain their speed before accelerating and making the race go green. I know for a fact in Nascar, that's an immediate penalty for doing so as it causes massive wrecks and gives the leader a huge advantage. They can go whatever speed they want, but cannot slow down right before they go. This is also seen in F1 as the cars are bobbing and weaving everywhere but still maintaining their speed, they aren't hitting their brakes and then immediately taking off.
I think it's getting the game to spot when these moments and it's maybe one that hasn't been taken into consideration... it's just maintain order... and I don't think much else.
If you want to be a little more accurate - the leader in NASCAR cannot go slower than pace speed under any circumstances. They may choose to, and are allowed to speed up once the pace car has entered the pits, but they cannot slow back down again once they have elected to speed up
Exactly! can't argue with "maintain" speed. as in to keep steady pace. The pole car was changing speeds with the pack gathered as the saftey car pulled away. Big no no in IRL racing or youll get punted/penalty could argue latency tho :)
13:02 Jimmy. Counter to your point. The guy in yellow was right up against the inside line when the pass was initiated. And at the time stamp you can see yellow has shifted his line to move further out and blue is moving off the racing line. And it doesn’t appear that yellow shifts that altered line at all, thus driving into blue. Unfortunately we don’t get to see much further because of the bincident. But what are your thoughts on that?
I was tjinking the same thing, especially when looking at the point of contact it looked like blue was drifting out with the corner while the yellow came across more than the natural drift out of the corner and caused the contact
100% agree - blue is outside the "racing line" and leaves more than enough space for the yellow to take that corner as well, but he straightens out if anything INTO blue. I think what yellow was trying to do was to tuck back in behind but just got the spacing/timing wrong
11:55 Strange, you made no mention of how the yellow car moved from the line to a car width off it, and collected the rear tyre of the blue car. The blue car didn’t need to squeeze the yellow and probably should have been a little bit more cautious, but I wouldn’t call that a squeeze, considering how much space the yellow car had to begin with.
@@timwhitman3207the blue car was also drifting wider at the point of impact so that argument doesn't really work in this case. I think the yellow was trying to get behind and misjudged the space and clipped the blue
12:17 I sort of disagree with this. If this kept up when it started to reach halfway through the turn, the yellow car would've been suffocated and I do agree with the warning. Though, at the time of contact, the yellow car appeared to have had half-a-car width on both sides. Despite that, he just turns into the blue car for some reason. Since the maneuver the blue car did, he was going completely straight. Not to mention, the yellow car is just kinda weaving all over the place. Not sure if that's just a car thing, but the blue car maintained a huge level of control after the maneuver. That communicates to me the yellow car is just doing that? This would've been a racing incident. It does look like the yellow car was going in for round two at the end of the clip though
Let's be real here jimmer, the yellow formula ford was moving side to side and blue pretty much stayed center track. Had yellow not moved to the center and just stayed straight as he was passed the contact would never had happened. IMO this was yellows fault.
Agree on all but the Formula Fords. Blue vs Yellow car. From your own stewarding rules in previous videos, it's a slam dunk on yellow. Clearly moves left despite there being more than a cars width available. No need for Blue to squeeze, but the crash is yellows fault.
9:18 I noticed the camera car was getting high ping warning several times during the restart. I think that played a significant roll in the speeds and how the leader just took off
The yellow car looks like it's weaving a bit - if this is normal for Formula Ford cars then the blue car should have anticipated this and given him more room, otherwise it's 100% the yellow cars' fault.
Way more than a car’s width was allowed to the inside. Yellow was moving away from the shoulder and drove through blue. Totally legal by blue. Also kinda dumb. No good reason to give a free side draft.
Racing incident. Blue should have left way more room as the kink is natural pinch point and these incidents always happen at these points. No reason to squeeze the other car either. But there was just cars width. However you cannot expect the yellow car to perfectly follow tighter inside radius. By the letter of the law it is enough space. By common sense it isn't. So in the end it is a racing incident.
12:34 blue car was on the racing line, didn't make 2 moves under braking or anything and left track for the other car. I don't see how it's on the blue car other than that by squeezing he ended up ruining his race. But people can say that about a lot of incidents.
Can't squeeze off the track, even if on the racing line. You can't just take the space that's already occupied simply because you're slightly in front or on the racing line. The space is already taken, bad luck.
@@JMEAUS22 But Jimmy did say someone who ran someone out of track on the inside was okay for doing so. It's not so cut and dried that it's always one way or the other.
12:37 dude on the outside gave a lot of space on the inside and he was going outwards, which means by the apex the yellow car would have even more space. And there was a bunch of time for the guy on the inside to react to himself drifting across the track and turn in. Not only that, the yellow car could have lifted to be more safe, but he closed the gap to the blue car to take a better line and didn't make sure he wasn't going too wide. Had the guy on the inside remained on his line that wouldn't have happened.
12:39 This is as much a Racing Incident as the Perez-Sainz Crash at Baku. Both helmets, trying to intimidate the other but in both instances it didn't work out.
i honestly think the F1 penalty was a bit of lag too, you could see the connection warning on the right when there was the "contact" and the guy kind of launched forward, could have just been a "i didnt hit you on my screen" type collision
That one clip with the safety car restart with the sauber and the Ferrari. I absolutely hate that that is allowed in F1 they should have to go a certain speed just like NASCAR restarts so they can’t game the restart
In some of the NASCAR games there were a couple of tracks where in real life you had to go into the pits on a certain road but in the game, as long as you didn't miss that pit line you didn't "have" to use that long entrance road. There was a shorter road RIGHT after a corner, VERY short road you could use. I used those short entrances all the time to gain position, it was allowed in the game so like here why not. The other crap here I would never do unless it was a fun race against friends which we turned into a demolition derby.
Jimmy, did you not see the gap growing as the yellow and blue car wandered away from it? The full blue car was not squeezing him that much if at all. He could've taken the corner the he was already if he hadn't wandered out the way he did.
I get what you mean with the yellow formula ford,but he decided to go all the way to the grass and with the racing line on blue was actually(what it looked like to me anyways) opening up more.
5:40 as an oval driver. The valvoline car is fine. Oval track "best line" is really just a suggestion. There are a lot of lines you can take. The 4 needed to be smarter about his line with a lapped car in front.
that f4 one looks like the yellow and blue actually went left instead of holding their line before the corner which resulted in that collision to occur anyway.
Jimmy's lisp has gone from minor announce to my absolute favorite part of his videos. Its weird but I really appreciate his voice now. Best driver ever.
9:12 when I was FIA in an F1 league we ran a rule that as the leader once you get the "safetu car in this lap" message you couldn't drop below a certain KPH (varied by track due to what corners were in the final sector) and you couldn't change speed by more than 50 KPH within any 5 second (or it might have been 3 i cant remember) period unless it was accelerating once and once only for the restart. Seemed to stop this kind of situation and stopped the horrible concertina effects of them going and stopping.
at 14:52 that radio clip is actually Kurt Busch at Darlington being told to go to the back of the field under caution, and saying that he's already at the back. after this, he says, "all the guys behind me are laps ******* down"
The Ferrari in the end was not being lapped: - if you look at the blue racelogic thing from the Ferrari it says: lap 1, and the dashboard confirmed that by saying: prev. lap: 00.00.00 (bottom left) (15:26) - if you look at the dashboard of the McLaren in the middle left it also says: last lap: 00.00.00. (15:36) This means they were both on the first lap and the blue flags where for another car. Tell me if I'm wrong👇
Pretty sure you throw one of these to get people to talk in comments :P but that FFord or whatever it is ( 11:00 ish ) coming together is absolutely not just the blue car's fault - you didn't mention the yellow drifting to the left at all, he *could* just have held his line at a fixed distance from the RH edge of the track, it really isn't that sharp a turn. Eventually the blue car would have ended up driving into him anyway, but that would have been definitively his fault at that point.
@@alexf1587 yeah it wouldn't be jimmer if he didnt have a wrinkled shirt and a cozy cup of tea if he didnt have those how would we know its the real jimmy and not a robot lol
Not sure how many people know this but in f1 it limits the first car behind a safety car for some bizarre reason only on the restart, it might have been a case here where the sauber hit the slow down wall and the game slowed him down, its very frustrating being in second as you can easily lose a wing from this
12:29 idk, those cars are flat out in that corner very easily, even if youre side by side, and it looks like the blue and yellow car turned out more than anything, so id put it on him, but it was mostly a racing incident
I think you need to relook at the blue and yellow formula ford. Blue isnt squeezing yellow at all, theres plenty of space for a car on the inside. The blue car has also reached a point where it is as close to the inside as it will get due to the radius of the corner and the car travelling in a straight line.
13:17 The car on the right had made a late pass into a right/left combo. I realise there can be limited visibility to the sides in simracing if you're not using a radar or VR, but you have to at least assume there's a good chance they'll still be there if you haven't seen them in your mirrors yet, so you leave room. That car seems to have just assumed they'd completed the pass when there's no way they could have known for certain.
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5:17 Is kinda tricky with Ovals. On one hand if your 3 laps down you've probably been given the blue flag a time or two that means move out the way. But at the same time traffic is a thing and you don't necessarily have to give up your line. It's kinda up to the None Lapped cars to get through safely on their own. They can't just shunt you. Although I do think if you knew what the proper exit line was contact probably would have been avoided. He was still coming up to the wall, and the car behind him comes up in the same spot when you start to come down. Again. The car following should have been a little more aware of what was happening but you did turn in a little early.
9:12 I would say he should be penalized because the incident occurred while the game still had the banner up “safety car in this lap, maintain speed” and hadn’t switched to “prepare to resume racing, no overtaking”
The F1 game safety car experience needed improvement. The game seems to take away and return control of the throttle to you at totally random points as the safety car comes in. My guess is that the lead car was neither malicious nor stupid, they just got screwed by the game.
It would be so cool if you got rights to edit in some real life F1 situations to make an example how the F1 drivers behave when someone is lunging into a corner or any other situations
I think the track limits are different in iracing for me, because in iracing at Fuji T1 you don’t get an off track 1x unless all four wheels are off the red and white curb, idk what sporting code says just something to think about
5:56 two cents as an oval enthusiast on the wrong side of the world, taking off-lines can be a race strategy on some tracks, if for example the high line grants less tyre wear. OP was absolutely skidding, but he was driving predictably and not out of control. Entirely up to the overtaking car to maneuver around him safely. Had to bide my time plenty in iRacing ARCA and Gen4 to overtake lapped cars. Not for long though; there’s a reason they are being lapped to begin with in a fixed setup series.
You damn helmet jimmy, look at the actual VIDEO at 12:00! The blue car IS going straight, the yellow car just opens the steering and drifts outside, hitting blue.
The ACC one at 15 minutes is classic McLaren brakes shenanigans, that car has no stopping power in ACC. The Ferrari did brake too early and turned in a bit late but not THAT late. But the Macca driver should anticipate things like this when coming up to a backmarker especially with the bicycle brakes he has.
In the F1 clip, that would definitely be a penalty for the leading driver. That was not “setting the pace”, the leader was changing speed and driving unnecessary slow. in the league I drive in, we had this exact problem and it became the JonC rule named after him.
4:00 I am seeing this over and over in sim racing stewards. Inner drivers who dont squeeze the outer driver, even ahead, normally overshoot the apex and hit the outer driver. Then they go saying "I have the inside" yeah bro but you also have half the track.
I think the yellow and blue car at 12:00 is at fault, he turned away from the inside of the track into the full blue car who was actually going slightly wider out from their racing line My sim experience extends as far as these videos though most of my racing is in Forza Horizon and Forza Motorsport, so definitely could be wrong and im interested in hearing other opinions if anyone disagrees.
if you go frame by frame at 10:20, you can see that the guy off track isn't re-joining, he stays straight, it's the guy in the blue that drives off track into them... so it's not actually clean cut :P
@@Leith_Crowther The curbs are not part of the circuit. Blue was off the circuit and did not turn towards Green or the circuit to rejoin. Green was not fully on the circuit either when he dipped his left half of the car past the track limit aka the white line.
@@JesterDarrakRacers regularly put a few tires on the curbs because, in fact, they are part of the circuit. If you have one tire within the white lines, you are on the circuit.
12:40 i'm inclined to put the blame on the blue-and-yellow car. you can clearly see him drifting from the edge of the track directly into the rear of the overtaking car despite having another half a car width to work with. formula fords are slippery but they aren't _that_ slippery.
That last incident with the McLaren and the Ferrari, even if you're being lapped, that's such a distant lunge, and the Ferrari's line isn't even that bad. A wide open door to that degree is the Lamborghini on the outside at Deep Forest. The Ferrari's line might not have been ideal but it wasn't insane. If anything the McLaren's line would've ended up tragic turning in so early.
At 11:10 i’m guessing the guy that tried to make the overtake drives on ovals more often because it is a common move. People will use on dirt oval tracks and asphalt short tracks.
Sorry but the formula Ford incident is completely on the yellow and blue car. They move left into the blue car which is entitled to squeeze the yellow and blue to the inside as long as they leave a cars width which they do forcing the yellow and blue onto a shallower trajectory meaning they would have to slow for the corner. Yes it was a bit silly as they didn't need to do it but they were entitled to do so regardless
12:17 while you're absolutely right that the blue car could've stayed alive by veering off a bit more to the left, I hard disagree with your decision. This is fully on the yellow car 100 out of a 100 times. The blue car is ahead and keeping a fixed trajectory, while the yellow car with more than enough room to move, starts moving away from the track edge and into the blue car. In F1 rules, this would be a 10-second penalty and 2 penalty points for the yellow car for causing a collision, no questions asked.
11:50 As someone who still uses the line, driving to the line is a subconscious thing... So, I think blue car was driving to the line, not trying to squeeze the other guy.
the oval one @4:51 is a difficult one cause by the tyremarks of the pov car, you can see that he is turning way too much (thats why he is 3 Laps down), he is infact just a roadblock for the cars behind. so i can understand the frustration of the 4 car but still he is at fault for that incident all by himself.
12:40 idk, it looks like the 7 car just goes dead straight. where he should be going right. thats a very slight bend, i dont think staying on the inside wouldve been difficult, but it looks like the 7 is so focused on the car passing him, he forgets theres a kink there.
About the last one, I dont think the Mclaren was even going for a move. He used a normal braking point and there seemd to be enough space for him to do that. From what I can tell, the Ferrari just was really really slow through the corner and Mclaren just didnt know what else to do than try to get by
like everyone else is saying, formula ford was yellows fault. He literally pulled a mcqeen and tried to turn left on a right turn. Since when has it been okay to move into someone because "i wanted to get a better line for the next corner"
When is the limit of the track the white line and when is it the curb? Because the green f4 had 2 wheels on the curb. Still a really bad move both ways
