Thief 4 - An analysis or an autopsy 

Superb job, man. I'm only 1/3 of the way through and already a knockout effort. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: This game had some SERIOUS backstage turmoil going on. Divergent design, studio politics, East vs. West elitism... I would kill to interview one of the devs and get their side of the story. Because - as bad as Teef is - (and it is indeed terrible) in a weird way, it was also a valiant effort, considering what Eidos Montréal were up against. Eidos Montréal's Founder split halfway through, in disgust at Square Enix's micromanagement. The previous Producer (Mario Tracey-Aguera) - who had allegedly turned Teef into a third-person Assassin's Creed-esque Action title - was abruptly replaced by Stephan Roy. That Roy was able to refocus all that wasted energy and money into a _somewhat_ playable first-person stealth title is nothing short of herculean. He deserves no small amount of credit for getting it into a semi-playable state, regardless of the game's actual quality. Make no mistake: The game is awful. But the _story_ behind the game has got to be fascinating. And likely holds myriad lessons for aspiring developers.

Thief 4: use a focus meter Thief 2: focus

According to some in-game lore (thanks Thief 4 wiki), this isn't the same Garrett, it's a descendant or reincarnation of some sort and takes place hundreds of years after the other games. His eye isn't mechanical... it's just blue for some reason. Probably related to the seance thing going on at the end of the prologue. That's what allows him to use his focus ability. You actually can find the original Garrett's (called the "Master Sneak-Thief") mechanical eye as a treasure. So it's all just coincidence I guess. Coincidence that he looks similar, has a special eye, is named Garrett, is a "thief"...

Damn, this still hurts, 4+ years later. Thief 4 was such a huge dissapointement for me that it made me begin my own stealth game directly inspired by the first 3 games. I hope I finish it sometime in the future.

In original Thief you could even lean forward alt+w.

"We're never going to see another Thief game" - we're contantly seeing new Thief content in the form of Fan Missions made for Thief 2 and Thief Gold, so I'm not complaining. A lot of them are much better than any sequel made by whoever currently holds the rights could be, anyway.

Watching this video the asylum part feels like they tried to somehow recapture Thief: Deadly Shadow's Shalebridge Cradle (at least on the surface level) without having the skills to actually pull it off

Personally haven't played Thief 4 yet. I'm too terrified of having my fond adolescent memories of the first three games destroyed. I think when I first saw the trailers for this I really wanted to love it, but when I heard Garrett speak and it wasn't Stephen Russel in his iconic gravel tones, I think I cracked in half a little.

1 hour autopsy of Teef? This is gonna be awesome. Also, somewhere in Arizona, a man swathed in black and white wearing aviators is nodding his head in approval. Optionally he's giving you a standing ovation.

"basically if you don't use opium, it's because you didn't know you could" 100% true

I played through Deadly Shadows with mods that removed loading. It was a great game, and deserves to be part of the Thief Trillogy. What I'll say is going to spoil the game if you haven't played it, and I think you should honestly because it's fantastic. But out of all the factions in that game: ONLY THE KEEPERS WERE DESTROYED IN DEADLY SHADOWS. ALL THE OTHER FACTIONS STILL EXIST. Meaning the fact they are no longer in Thief 2014 is purely because they didn't want to have them back. It's a stupid decision because the conflict between the Hammerites and Pagans is the main focus of the entire Thief trillogy.

After finishing my first thief game I can actually feel myself getting anxious and tightening up over the fuckin guard knockouts taking 5 seconds... just that 5 seconds I'm feeling just the tension...

Sorry but my inner Thief superfan is going to have to correct you on one thing, Basso didn't owe Garrett for the Bafford job, Cutty did ;)

A video that any true taffer would choose to watch over a trip to the bear pits tonight.

Hey pro tip: you can also kill zombies with fire arrows. It blows them up into little bits, so they can't get back up and gnaw on you. Just wanted you to know for future play-throughs, good video btw

Hitman Absolution had the exact same problems with level design. A bunch of small arenas connected by linear paths that hide loading screens and prevent you from going back. That's what happens when good graphics are deemed more important than good gameplay.

I really enjoyed the open world in Thief 3, it made the City feel much more alive and realised

The older games for their time were good when it came to graphics and unparalleled when it came to sound. The scarce ammo and audio visual clues on how to play were the key to tension and immersion. Rather than the map markers and text pop ups and x-ray vision (FFS). They created modern graphics which is awsm but modern hand holdy game design killed it. Instead of a unique gem what thief was back then now it is a less than ok dime a dozen game. : / *sighs in older player*

I think you were the correct amount of angry in this video. Awesome job, man

Amazing vid. The shard of the Primal Stone is embedded inside Garrett's eyeball. That's why he has Vision Powers at all. It's very draining/mentally shitty to use the ability because the Primal messes with human minds and bodies, and that's why the "Mana" Item in this game is Poppies; it calms him down, lets him Focus more. All I wanted to say. Everything else is 10/10. This game was such a trainwreck but it could've been so great...

I liked thief 3. I was aware of the small areas and frequent loading screens, but it still kept the loop design, and even though not big geographically, the areas were still big enough and free enough, choice-wise, in my opinion. In t3, the areas were not SMALL... they were just more segmented.

I think the general killed the guard because he expected him to be loyal and go the extra mile if necessary (cut open the man's belly like he did to make sure he didn't have anything on him). It shows how much of a psycho he is, I think.

The sound legit breaks after an hour of playing

Playing the asylum level really made it feel like the story arc was written by committee. This level was basically a rehash of the Shalebridge Cradle mission from T3. They wanted a creepy mission so they just jammed in Shalebridge Mk2

Really nice to see that people still appreciate the originals. We lost so much. Thank you for the video.

at the end of thief 3 an old magic lady named the Hag slaughters most of the keepers after disguising as the translator. there are 5 magic objects she's after that lead to something called the final glyph, which can destroy and deactivate all glyph powers in existence. Garrett learns she intends to destroy the objects, since they are her only weakness, seeing how she armed herself for centuries with glyph powers. Garrett activates the final glyph, dissipating all keeper powers and exposing their whole compound to the city, where it normally would have been hidden. this plus having most of the keeper, bar four or five, murdered, the faction seems to outright disappear except Garrett, who became a keeper. even there it's inconsistent with this. hope I could help you fill in what happened with the keepers in DS

The only 451 in this was the temperature this shit got my PS4 at.

In the last video I watched from you I just said how Thief: Deadly Shadows was so much better. I don't remember the level design of that game, but it was certainly complex enough to make me get lost many times. The "open world" part was a small part of the game, not a big deal really, and it added well to the story. The atmosphere was amazing, I was afraid of the enemies, while in Thief 4 I felt like an unbeatable ninja. Loved how I could miss a backstab in Thief 3, but in the fourth we have that cheesy prompt button. In a way a prompt button is nothing more than a small cutscene, I remember the year 2012 and after, when cutscenes became a cancer. Then came Dark Souls, that gave back a game to people, not a movie, teaching developers what gamers wanted and things got better a little. Said that before watching the rest of the video, and you said something along those lines too, about the prompt button. In the other games the factions had their own reasons, they were cool. In this one we have a general where they threw all kinds of flaws, just to make sure we are the good side and he was the evil side, the morality depth of a child's book.

speaking of him being in a coma, that leads to another interesting question; how was he in a coma for a whole year, then he wakes up in a cart as if he were only out for an hour? (and when he wakes up in that cart, it doesnt say "1 year later", instead you get that information from the Queen of Beggars )and if they assumed he was dead why did they wait a whole year to take his body to God knows where? if they were taking it to the furnace place where you get that ring, you'dve thought his body would've been ashes a long time ago. I dunno something about the whole coma thing really doesnt smell right.

Thinking about it, I think her calling him "Big Brother" is some kind of weird thing that probably came down from the Square people in Japan, more like an "Aniki" sort of deal, like in the Yakuza where your mentor is your 'Big Brother'.

I'd get through Deadly Shadows. It isn't as bad as people make it out to be, especially after the fan patch that does away with a lot of the loading screens.

It's not really clear on whether Thief 2014 is meant to be a straight reboot, or some kind of continuation. I recall from watching a playthrough of Thi4f that there are some nods to the Keepers with the symbols that you see in the underground ruins that you traverse right after the House of Blossoms. There's a line nuGarrett has at some point about how they built over the old city. I think the idea is that Thi4f is supposed to be set a few hundred years or so after the original games, but that the returning characters are reincarnations. At the same time, I don't think Erin is meant to be the girl from the end of Deadly Shadows, but more of just a nod to that plot thread. The blue eye that Garrett has in Thi4f isn't meant to be the mechanical eye. His eye is like that from getting some kind fragment or something from the magical blue stone from the end of the intro mission. I think that's meant to be an justification for the ability to see through walls and stuff. You can, however, find a mechanical eye in Moira Asylum, which give the implication that maybe old Garrett died there, but again, it's not totally clear. All that aside, one of the real ironies of Thi4f is that it cribs a lot of it ideas from Dishonored, a game that's actually a much better successor to the original Thief games.

I so agree about thief 4 making so many actions a cut-scene was extremely detrimental..... This actually destroys the game feel, I mean that... Absolute destruction to game feel... This thing on it's own is a straight minus 2 stars from the controls category and that's exactly fair. If I was biased it would be minus 1 or 3 stars. So many games are doing this and it ruins the feeling of flow, they do it to ensure that the animations look better as the character isn't able to move and fuck things up for the animator.... But it's just not worth it, This is the result of visuals coming first. It affects the game play. In this case the controls... Just the most important bit of an action game, that's all.

I actually didn’t have an issue with the open world in Thief 3. It gave you a sense that what you did in your missions had an impact on the outside world. Even with the great level design in Thief 1 and 2 I couldn’t help feel like I was locked into some specific chain of missions where my factions and actions didn’t mean anything. Thief 3 also expands on that with the prison quests and several shops, to me it’s much more immersive even if it seems like a pain here and there to get through town.

Thank you. You pretty much just taught me to make stealth maps for my 100% stealth class D&D party.

I am a diehard thief fan from the very fist time the game came out. It was my father who bought it from Ukraine and gave it to me when he returned from his long trip. A strange dark cd came into my hands when I was a kid. I knew something was different about it just by looking at the covers. I was even a little scared, it looked mature. I fell in love instantly after playing it for the fist time. This bond never veined it just got stronger the more I thought about the game my appreciation grew. I played so many games in my life and Thief towers above them all by a mountain. This game you are analyzing isn't thief...it is an abomination of a something that was truly my great love. I was disgusted by it and couldn't even last 20 minutes.

"Basically, if you don't use opium, it's likely because you didn't know you could." --Strat-Edgy; 2018

My guess is that this game was designed at some point to be a sequel to Thief 3, that's why it was called Thief 4 at some point I guess, there are some bits and pieces left over that point to this: 1- Erin was probably the little girl Garett adopts at the end of Thief 3 2- The underground cave library was probably an abandoned Keeper library 3- Orion's zeppelin thingy probably was an unfinished project of the Mechanists 4- The weird fish-zombie thingies were probably used to be Pagan monsters/Fish people from Thief 3 And there are probably some other stuff that I'm missing, but this I think proves that they developed the game as a sequel at some point in time. Then during development they changed course for who knows what reason (probably publisher pressure, change of directors etc.) to make the game a reboot. And whoever that was in charge of the reboot thought it was a good idea to remove the Pagans, Hammers, Mechanists the Keepers (although Keeper order kind of disbanded at the end of Thief 3) and other factions which made the unique world of Thief and replace it with a generic bad ruler with corrupt police force, so you get the Captain Hook looking Sheriff guy. What bothers me to no end are the homages to the classic games through 1- The DLC Bank mission kind of nods to Thief 2's Bank mission 2- The mission where you go over the rooftops to get to the burning prison nods to Thief 2's amazing Life of The Party mission 3- The asylum mission is a nod to Thief 3's spooky Orphanage mission 4- The whole freaking clock tower is an homage to the clock tower Garett literally blows up in Thief 3 I just wish they could have done something totally unique with the reboot, use the IP's strong name and deliver a completely new experience like Prey 2017 (aka System Shock 3, or maybe should have been called Astro Shock or something? I dunno). It's just sad to see all this talent and effort go into creating a mish mash that wouldn't satisfy neither camp of old school Thief fans and some person who would be interested in a stealth action title.

I was so amazed by your analysis that I took a pen and paper and started to writing down all of the things you said about level design, sound design, and the script 👏👏👏

You missed one gold nugget when you talked about the opium in the brothel: if you're playing at the highest difficulty level, you automatically fail the mission, because one of the difficulty-related objective is to not harm civilians, and apparently flooding the place does that. Completely out of nowhere, everything seems to point to the fact that using the opium pumping system would be a non lethal system to get rid of guards in the buiding. Nope, it's considered the lethal option. No warnings about that. Bullshit game design. It's as if the team that developed the level never spoke with the team that worked on objective and the ghost / predator / whatever system.

The girl was from the end of thief 3. Also, I agree that they've gotten lazy with level design. They lost sight of originality and creativity. Linear isn't really good in stealth games like this.

I don't really buy into the "Thief 4 was held back by consoles" argument. While I hate comparing different games that use different engines and have different budgets, I feel this is a valid time to make that comparison. There are plenty of other games that have sandboxes that facilitate open gameplay that are much larger than thief's that are on consoles. Even the old hitman games had levels that could accomplish this (though mechanically they aren't built for it). And this is coming from a pc player. I haven't owned a console since the 360 era. If a developer takes their time, they can do quite alot within the limitations of a console. But Thief 4's devs didn't have the time and not organized from what I understand. They apparently had one hell of a time trying to make this but I don't know the details. Otherwise, I agree with everything else in this video.

Nice, but I want to point out that a cutscene isn't the same as an ingame animation. A cutscene is when all gameplay mechanics are suspended (cut), the problem with things like stealing objects is animations that are badly implemented. Far Cry 3 had pickup animations as well but they weren't nearly as bad as the ones in Thief 4. The problem here is that the game forces your character entity to re-position (allowing you to be discovered) and that the animations in general are just way too fucking long.

4:00 that’s some really great logic bud

I know what happened! in the old game we all know garret has a low tolerance level for stupid interactions or people so right after having to deal with that emo girl and falling or hanging off a rope in the middle of some weird sex ritual he decided that he would have nothing to have with the plot, so as the game flashed Garrett climbed up the rope, escaped the building, wacked some guy off the street put him in a cart and jumped out of that game, as the year passed by a happy coincidence that guy the master thief wacked was also named garrett and hes two buddies were carring him in a cart, how it that for a solid theory! its air tight x3

Great job! Thief Deadly Shadows -both Hammerites and Pagan's had items returned, and still existed. The Keeper's probably split, except Garrett.

I don't know if you read comments on older videos, but I had no idea that there were supposed to be convicts in the asylum part. My game must have bugged out as the enemies were invisible to me throughout that entire section. I thought that was on purpose and that made it one of the spookiest things I have ever experienced in a game. Damn near shat myself a few times, trying to sneak around invisible voices threatening me. I thought that was the only part that elevated this entire shitshow of a game. I don't know what to feel now.

Thief 4 was, and still is, a train wreck. What makes the original Thief games great is the balance between gameplay, cutscene and story. My biggest problem with Thief 4 is the over usage of cutscene-locked-attacks(like in Deus Ex:HR) and scripted cutscenes. And the enemies and NPCs are more A than I.

The lore of the Mechanists was so interesting, I was fascinated by them as a kid

Fantastic analysis, spot on really, and very sad considering what could've been... Makes me want to replay Thief 1 & 2 for the countless time.

Playing this felt like playing a fever dream simulation.

Great review! Thief Deadly Shadows I felt was really good, so maybe you should rethink playing it. It had an AWESOME level; probably one of the scariest in gaming history and right up there with "Haunted Cathedral" called the Shalebridge Cradle. Truly creepy and AWESOME! However, I tend to agree with your disappointment with the cut scenes. The entire environment was limited and claustrophobic at times but the game truly adhered to the Thief feel and story. It looked like a Thief game and felt like a Thief game AND pulled you in like a Thief game. My biggest disappointment, though this may sound petty was the absence of the rope/vine arrows. Instead; you were given a pair of near-useless wall climbing gloves that allowed to to go as you pointed out in Teef...only where the developers wanted you to go. One of the many upsides of Thief DS was the return of the aforementioned Keepers, Hammerites and Pagans.They always add to the Thief quality. Anyway....thanks for the Five Star review, but give Deadly Shadows another try. It's a "real" Thief game.

I paid almost nothing for this game and I was angry when I finished it. My favourite genre of game was promised and I got none of it

The Moira Asylum chapter was a pitiful sand castle imitation of the horror masterpiece that is the Shalebridge Cradle. You should have finished Thief 3 instead of this piece of shit.

Deadly Shadows with the Thief 3 Sneaky Upgrade removed the loading screens, making all the levels flow again. Deadly Shadows is a better game than this on one virtue. It is a CONTINUATION, and the CONCLUSION to the story of Thiefs 1 and 2, its in the same continuity, and the end of Garrets story. Thief 4 is a SOULESS reboot with NOTHING of what made the original three games good.

Just an FYI: This game is supposedly set YEARS after Stephen Russell's Garrett and the City. And not just a decade or so, at least 100 YEARS. The factions no longer exist (for some reason), and Garrett and Basso are just names being reused. Not to mention, you should totally play Deadly Shadows, which Moira Asylum was actually heavily inspired by

Original Thief: designed to be explored. Thief 4: designed to be completed.

"Sometimes murderer..." Not in my playthroughs. ... Ok, I "mercy killed" Lotus... Dude asked for it.

The unavoidable unskippable actions drive me effing crazy. It's why I never finished the original Assassin's Creed and never bought any of the rest of them. The unskippable unavoidable animations make me rage.

I've watched this video so many times and every time I watch it again I love it more and more

So they thought we'd want Basso to return, but wouldn't miss the Hammerites or Mechanists? Awesome video.

Ths sad thing about these remakes is when they dont sell well, the company thinks "welp, the IP must just not be profitable anymore" 🤷‍♂️ Couldnt be our fault for fucking it up

you didnt mention anything about the hidden loot stashes being made by the "original" Garret centuries ago? plus, you could find his mechanical Eye in one of the hanging cages in the basement area of Moira, with all the monsters, oh and the Asylum dwellers? they are mutated. oh and you didnt notice the keepers under the brothel?

you forgot the lean forward key, it was rly useful when blackjacking guards from a distance

How the hell did Thief become the poor man's Dishonored?

I like this game more than thief 3. Your thief 1 map splits into 2 paths, not 4. 2 of those go into the other 2.

I forgot to write this on your Deus ex Mankind divided video I've just watched but I realized I wasn't subbed so I changed that post haste. Thanks for the content man.

One point I have to disagree on is that I absolutely love the open world in Thief 3. The joy of independently exploring the city at my own pace between levels is one of the things that drew me to the game in the first place. I have over 400 hours of playtime on T3, yet I still discover new nooks and crannies I never knew about.

I hate the idea that somehow dishonored is new thief, I hate that and want real thief again

Ausgezeichnete Analyse. Es ist überaus bedauerlich, dass so eine großartige Serie so sehr minimalisiert und ihr sämtliches Potenzial entzogen wurde, dass ein echtes Schleichspiel ausmachte. Deine Bewertungen haben mir so sehr zugesagt, dass ich wieder Lust bekommen habe die ersten zwei Teile auf ein Neues spielerisch wieder zu erleben. Ich hoffe, dass Square Enix niemals eine Fortsetzung veröffentlichen wird... Super Video 👍👍

Did you notice the bed that garett emerged from had ornamentation("hole") only in the part against the wall(so he can fit through) but nothin on the front side where it would make sense

about Garrett being pinned to the wall under that bed. no one seems to give a shit that the freakin CARPETS on fire

Do a review of cataclysm dark days ahead it’s a turn based rouge like rpg that’s extremely complex

Im so glad that this game introduced me to the original trilogy and that I’m happy playing them as they were intended. Just completed Thief Gold last night and started Metal Age. I’m loving them! ❤

I hoped you would mention how inappropriate it was for them to turn Thief setting from Medieval to Victorian era (wtf?) and all the attempts to look like Dishonored (from "Golden cat" brothel to Granny Rags + Victorian England design). Holy shit

That story (Twist?) is a Johnny Mnemonic story & that really means its a interpretative & nonchalant-esque game that isn't meant to be picked up on within its early chapter on in or immediately. Though its chopped story as people would say in comments, guess it is because that's an reaction that fits that point. Somebody pointed out also that the ruins & documents we can find give enough information and foreshadowing that the eye isn't some "mechanist creation" or pagan magical & evil eye plucking, its really because of this fragment so as to have (though appendages are "us" in real physical sense) the fragment at that point, its added backstory to fill the player in while the character isn't upto speed on this through dialogue.

The maps do get better though

Damn man. I miss how good Glassjaw was. I mean, I like Head Automatica too, but Glassjaw was just on another level.

I guess by now people have brought to your attention the Thief Dark Mod game, based on the Doom 3 engine. Even though the graphics are a bit outdated, it really captures the essence of the original Thief experience. And it has so. many. levels! All free ; )

I'm a third of the way into the video. I'm just waiting for you to mention the Shop guy inside the vent in the heart of the bad guy's lair at the end. edit: You never did. You must have missed him.

I was so happy when I saw this on my notifications. I've missed your videos like this and thanks for releasing a new one!

The audio was a LOT better (like it actually had footsteps and directional audio) if you had an AMD card with TrueAudio and enabled the feature. Why they didn't at least offer a decent experience with normal audio that works on other GPUs I dunno. Other games seem to be able to... I enjoyed the game. It's not really a Thief game, but it looked great and I liked the mood. Gameplay was fine-ish for modern standards. It's not a "good" game, but I had fun with it.

an hour long vid about my favourite game. bless ya

Honestly, before watching the footage of this vid I'd actually forgotten everything about Theif 4 :(

I played Thief once, I some how managed to lock myself in a "time loop" of sorts. Constantly having to break into the same home, and steal the same object but everything always reset when I left the house.

Mhmmmm nothing like some good ole gaming and a lil - 20:56 - to go along with it right Strat?!

19:55 CONTEXTUAL

Once again, great video I love that you're talking about Thief, it seems to be one of those classic franchises everyone has at least heard of but I've barely seen more than three RU-vidrs talk about it. Honestly the only thing in Thief 4 I liked was the lockpicking which in the originals was just holding down a button, so the bar was rather low in the first place.

I didn't understand why the original Garrett voice actor (Stephen Russell) didn't voice him here, i get it now, he probably didn't want to have anything to do with this abomination.

@Strat-Edgy Productions - nice vid, man! Shame you kind of cut it short, despite being over an hour long. The game has a lot of side content as well, which is worth analyzing in my opinion. If nothing else, that side content is better than the main game and its very existence is puzzling to me, because of how rushed and stitched together the campaign feels.

This game is awesome. There's not enough stealth games and this game does it all right. Shadows make sense, you can hear the enemies and the rules are uniform and work the same the whole time. **** haters. I do see what you're saying but if you don't beat your head against the wall about how it's different, it's a very enjoyable game with SOLID stealth mechanics. I think they did the best they could for being a PC/Console split game. You just have to take into account how long each action takes to play out. It's more realistic that way, I love it. To get out of the lean you just press back... Dude, yes you CAN hear the guards AND I never had a problem with knowing if I was in darkness. How did we have such a drastic difference in experience? Just turn up the damn sound!! The sound design is great!

The first two thief gold mission are such bangers man. I have such fond memories of them. Installing thief now infact. Also i know why the hammerities and pagans dont exist in tf4. He killed them all with focus abilities.

Whoami? Whoami? "It dinnint die. It was MUR. DURD."

Thief used to be an IP made by people who "wanted to create the holodeck" (quote from a Rock, Paper, Shotgun retrospective on System Shock) and valued player agency, environmental storytelling, all the while proposing that cutscenes would be the lazy devs way out. Thief isn't merely a Stealth Game, capital S, capital G. With its minimalist UI, in-universe maps, sandboxy levels and cutscenes deliberately only taking place in between missions, its the farthest Looking Glass took their ethos. The irony and tragedy is that it fell in the hands of developers who valued the polar opposite to that. Whereas Looking Glass' ideal may have been the Holodeck, Eidos ideal was the Cinema. Looking Glass (much like their heirs Arkane) would have NEVER traded agency for a more linear and guided cinematic experience and presentation. That's what they were actively fighting against starting right with Ultima Underworld. And they never stopped with that. Until they folded.

TL;DR: apparently, this guy wasn't satisfied with the actual flaws that the game really has, so he decided to just be wrong about things. Not only that, but he doesn't understand the game he's talking about. Go watch better videos: Thief vs. AAA Gaming: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jPqwDGXxLhU.html Errant Signal - Thief (2014): ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-H-5KrE8mFKY.html 7:18 do you really think they built an entire factory, within a year since the beginning of the Gloom, for the sole purpose of incinerating infected bodies? Yeah, nevermind the evidence, like the offices, the mannequins at the beginning of the factory, or the room with the Automaton, that this was a factory made for something else, which was abandoned and then ADAPTED to deal with the Gloom 23:48 well, actually, if you hold the knockdown button, Garrett will automatically carry the body, instead of putting it down 24:16 strange to associate leaning with PC gaming, considering that Dishonored, a game admittedly inspired by the original Thief games, has a leaning mechanic, and it's a game made for consoles 27:06 wait, so you're going to do the whole “Oh, where does Garrett puts all these things lol”, but will completely ignore that the original Thief games had the same bullshit?! Y'know, where the fuck does the original Garrett puts all those candlesticks, vases, plates, wines, statuettes, paintings?! 29:26 ...at what point, during the entirety of the game, can you see through walls? I'm going to ASSUME you're referring to the UPGRADE that you can BUY for your Focus, which allows you to see the SOUND WAVES of people's footsteps, but ONLY while Focus is active, and the Focus Meter depletes very quickly (even with the Efficiency upgrades), so it doesn't work like Dark Vision in Dishonored, where you can play practically the whole game with it activated. ALSO, you CAN'T see loot through walls. What you CAN do, is buy an UPGRADE that shows handprints to indicate there is a COLLECTIBLE nearby, and again, ONLY with FOCUS. You really didn't have enough to talk about the game, so you just started lying about it? 40:42 oh my god, Erin is Garrett's apprentice. They say that in the goddamn trailers for fuck's sake!!! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-L_HEeHUmzjI.html 43:31 MY. FUCKING. GOD. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THE GAME IS A FUCKING REBOOT, ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?!?!?!? 49:14 It's so hard to believe that, I don't know, the fucking magical energy that is flowing through Garrett's body and giving him powers, may have altered how his body works? I mean, at least a little? 54:59 Yeah, completely ignore that if you are playing on the Master difficulty (the difficulty that all of you fanboys of the original Thief games should be playing if you love to praise those games for being such hardcore Master Thief experiences), you can't knockout civilians. Great job 1:11:32 That “dreamcatcher” had a piece of the Primal Stone in it. Orion was using it to heal the Gloom of people individually, but he wanted the ring, the book, and the complete Primal Stone to unleash the Primal Energy to rid The City of the Gloom. Btw, there was three pieces of the Primal Stone, one in the vault, one in the laboratory beneath the Baron's Manor, and one with Orion. Both Erin and Garrett had Primal ENERGY flowing through their bodies, although to different extents 1:12:49 Ok, so in the beginning of the game, The Awakened tried to channel the Primal energy and use it as a source of energy to advance technology into a new Industrial Age. However, when Erin interfered with the ritual, it released a contaminated form of the Primal energy, creating the Gloom and, later, the Freaks. Now, Orion wants to replicate the ritual but right this time, to release the pure form of the Primal energy that will cure the Gloom. And he knows that this will cure the Gloom because he was using a piece of the Primal Stone to heal people 1:14:35 Just before Garrett throws the claw, he is shown activating the book/the ritual, sucking the Primal out of everyone. You can even see the energy going towards Erin while she falls

Damn, this remake wasn't even on my radar but I'm so glad I didn't get excited for it at all. You sound extremely upset, and some people might think you're over-reacting, but as someone who loves the Thief series I think if anything your reactions in this video are restrained. What absolutely horrible game design, it's everything wrong with modern "dumbed down for conoles" game design in cranked up in 11. I really enjoy your analysis on "loops within loops". I often design "maps" for pen and paper games and, working in architecture and design for a living, I can't not make buildings with realistic layouts. I've always found they worked so much better than your classic D&D "weird series of nonsense rooms and arenas for set-piece encounters" but I didn't quite know why. Now I know it's all about the loops and I think I'll be a better map-maker because of your video.

i thought this game had a shitty ending cause it leaves questions unanswered and a feeling as though nothing was really accomplished.

Can I just say you had me CRACKING UP throughout this video! LMFAO!! Just hearing you roast this game but also slip some fits of rage into it was HILARIOUS!! It was all hilariously true though. I am, admittedly, not really a good player, so I probably needed a lot of the hand holding in the beginning, and I'm the type that actually gets freaked out pretty easily so it took me a while to get comfortable moving from shadow to shadow. But after a while I got the hang of it. I picked up the game because I just finished playing Dishonored 2 and I thought it would be similar in gameplay but it wasn't half as fleshed out as that game was. And I didn't even know this was a Thief 4, somehow I knew it only as Thief, first of it's kind. Idk how that happened but a lot of the things you were saying I didn't entirely notice, BUT MY BRAIN DID! I couldn't put my finger on it but you explained it beautifully. There would be times where I would be incredibly frustrated and now I know it was due to it's linear nature. There would be times where I would miss a detail (oops) and I would have to google how to continue on the level because I was stuck all because I didn't catch this ONE DETAIL that the game wanted me to see in order to move forward instead of having options. Like I said, I'm not that good of a player but even my bf couldn't really help me at times. We were at a loss. Anyway, this was an necessarily long comment. Thanks for the laughs and the great review :)

16:39 I don’t know any thief goes thru the front door. Also you look around for closing the door. I support the current thief , due to it coming to the Mac. The older one don’t like due them not being available to the Mac OS.

No mention of the manor's level design? I think it was fairly decent with multiple entry points and a few loops and secrets. My favorite level to play the "collect loot in x amount of time" mode.