thats right! the whole point is for government to force you into as many contracts with the CORPORATE world as possible thus Owning nothing but OWE everyone! ORWELLIAN DREAM.
2 year study? why don't the Gov just fast track it, its obvious there will two categories, 1 sub 15mph scooters laws should be the same as bicycles, 2 high power 30mph scooter laws should be the same as mopeds, simple.
It’s fine for the Gvmt to profit from sales of e-scooters but penalise anyone if they dare use them outside their private land/estate, which of course everyone in the UK is lucky enough to own. Makes sense to me. This country’s law is a joke and always will be if we allow it to continue. 😒
its quite a simple premiss . if you dont have private land to ride it on then don't buy one . same as any off road car or motorcycle . ownership is not an excuse to drive an illegal vehicle or the roads would look like an outake from mad max.
@@johnsshed995 I get that fella but we need apply common sense here. They clearly know what they are doing - private land only......REALLY?! As usual it’s just another way for them to profit from the people and shaft us in return, similar to road tax, VAT etc. This country is slowly but very surely going to the dogs and it all boils down to one thing - greed. And we’re allowing it to happen. Sad times.
@@crazylikeafox7290 sound to me that you are quite happy for someone on an E-scooter to ride along with no training, no insurance and if they injure or kill someone, not being held responsible or the money to pay compensation.
@@alanhindmarch657 Hi Alan. Like I've mentioned a million times before on similar posts, it's using basic common sense. If it does less than 15mph or the user does not have a DL/CBT, PL Insurance etc then they must be restricted to Cycle-paths - NOT roads or Pathways. For people that use e-scooters that exceed 15mph, a DL or CBT must be mandatory + PLI and used on the road. Cycle-paths only to be used if no other option or it is safe to do so. It's really that simple. Common Sense. The whole approach to PEV use and their sales has been ill thought out from the start. Typical UK Gmnt mentality really. 👍
I had a Scooter now I just take my car everywhere and no longer recycle, I don't believe a word of climate change anymore when they won't make sensible choices like allowing e scooters to be riden on the roads. They say one thing but actions point to something else
they are they don't care for progress they're obsessed with the old times and tradition and they only care about getting money out of people.. This country is fucking awful
@@gethinjones9987 Yes a lot of e-scooters are having fun riding on pavements at high speed. Not so much fun for pedestrians though - especially the elderly.
It's just so stupid. Anyone riding in a reckless or dangerous manner should be persecuted and prosecuted, just as anyone on a bicycle would be. No riding on the pavement in build-up urban areas (London and other major cities especially). No speeding through parks with walkers, children and animal, and to be fair, bikes aren't usually allowed on pedestrian paths in parks anyway, so why should e-scooters riders expect to be exempt? Just to clarify, I'm over 70 years old and I've been riding an e-scooter for the past 2 years. I absolutely love it and on the couple of occasions where I have had a puncture, I have felt bereft. Come on UK. Catch up with the 21st Century and stop looking for the bad in everything. Tragedies happen everyday and no amount of legislation will prevent rare occurrences. How many people were killed on a bicycle in the past week?
I guess to be fair to the police its easier to just stop people using them entirely than it is to go after every instance of antisocial riding, its a big difference to cars on the road where its easier to pick out the bad drivers. They know that if half the people in any given city start riding these things all of a sudden then its going to be a nightmare scenario.
Like the doc I’m forced to use my car now for commuting instead of one of my two scooters. The government profits from tax and vat from the sale of escooters but doesn’t allow us to ride them in a sensible way on public roads. Crazy crap uk laws.
UK: BRING EQUALITY AND END UNREASONABLE DISCRIMINATION. EQUAL RIGHTS FOR PRIVATE SCOOTER OWNERS. END THIS APPALLING DEMONISATION OF THE PIONEERS THAT GAVE THE RENTAL E SCOOTER COMPANIES A REASON TO EXIST AND MAKE MONEY! GIVE A TRIAL FOR PRIVATELY OWNED E SCOOTERS THAT MATCH THE POWER RATING OF THE RENTAL E SCOOTERS!
@@ericwilliams2317 what licence and insurance? It's only for the privileged owners and users of the overpriced rental scooters that are exactly the same power rating! That's the point. EQUAL RIGHTS FOR THE PIONEER USERS (INSTEAD OF CRIMINALISING THOSE USERS) OF THE TECH THAT MADE IT POSSIBLE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
@@ericwilliams2317 and before someone chimes in about safety, I've seen road bikes that top speeds faster than the e scooters with the 300w power rating (rental and most private scooters, easily identified.) UK: It's an embarrassing disgrace and a shambles. Get with it and empower people with more mobility without taxing them off the streets, into an inadequate Internet environment with no protections against faceless criminals and cyber bullies. And maybe sort out, protect and enshrine the creative industries to protect the value of their product and incomes against streaming. That's just for starters.
Let's also reform the court system so it's not just posh boys and girls with their rule books, taking the money, taking years to process sometimes simple life situations and cases which grind people down emotionally and financially into disempowerment, into what boils down to court delays, inefficiency, poor logic, negligence, and out of touch, poor decision making at the best of times.
In Denmark, they regulated e-scooters in an annoyingly restrictive way (20km/h) but at least we can ride them privately. They also did forbid rent of electric scooters because people where not taking care of where they put them so they ended up all over the streets. Sometimes even in the sea and trash cans. Edit: typo
Do you know how many accidents and people dying lately😢 Compulsory training course and no one under the age of 16 should be riding these when they are legalised Most people don't have the brains to look after themselves never mind ride a scooter
The Government is supposed to work FOR the people, they must’ve forgotten who gave them their job and so it’s time to remind them who’s in charge and vote for someone else! Is the Raving Lunatic Party still going?
Actually, the Government IS working with the people. They are working on creating legislation that will allow for the SAFE use of these vehicles. And that is what the majority of the people want.
@@SeymourSunshine What is taking them so long? How is prosecuting this GP for no insurance helping? The government have bleated on so much about pollution they have now implemented mass 50mph motorway limits, and 20mph residential limits. Yet they do nothing with regard to e-scooters. Why can't they be ridden on the road like a bicycle? The reality is the government is frightened that if scooters are mass adopted, they will lose out on a lot of that sweet prole ca$$$$h and we can't be having that. What will happen to the congestion charge? (they'll end up taxing and congestion charging scooters in 10 years... each scooter will need its own little number plate...)
COPS AND GOVERNMENT THIEVES IN CONCERT ---- EXACTLY THE SAME AS RIDING AN ELECTRIC BIKE ---- YET THEY CAN HIRE THEM OUT --- AS IT IS ALL ABOUT MONEY AND POWER.
It shouldn't matter a person's age, or profession as to how they are treated by the justice system, but the fact that anyone is being convicted for using an E-scooter is beyond me.
This is the price of living in countries leaning towards socialism, with large government overreach. The only laws I would support for an e-scooter would be similar to bicycle laws. Helmets required for children under 17 and to obey all traffic laws. Having to purchase insurance and too much regulation takes away from the benefit of an electric scooter; replacing a motor vehicle and reducing pollution in cities while being an affordable mode of transportation for people who cannot afford a car or motorcycle and the insurance, tax and registration costs.
It's simply the results of backwards right wing conservative thinking that always dominated Britain. Most European countries have formed some more sensible accommodation with the new EV technolog of E-bikes & E-scooters. After 13 years of Tory government, the one party that can't be blamed is Labour.
1.38 'without insurance on the road'...Video shows e-scooter on pavement...and there you have the root of the problem. I live in London. Everyday I see these scooters recklessly driving at speed around parks, on pavements, in supermarkets (I kid you not) running red lights and so on. They must be regulated because unless it's escaped your notice, people are often stupid.
@@bigmanting173 Even if they did, the potential for harm is much less than that of a car. That's the prime reason why terrrrrorists used cars, vans, lorries, to mow down civilians. Try doing that with an e-bike and you'll see how stupid the comparison is.
This is very sad. I'm happy I live in the us, I'm 64 years old and I commute by scooter just like this everyday, I'm thankful I only have to keep an eye out for potholes and curbs, and not cops.
I’m 67 and been riding to and from work for nearly a year on an e scooter in Perth WA with no hassles but I use footpaths and bike paths . Feel sorry for you guys in UK
@@patmccaffery1543 We all need to vote green party. Tories always been making it more difficult for normal people and Kier Starmer is pretty much in their pocket like blair was. With green party in power we get an opportunity to kill off this top level corruption.
One year on from this video and no progress has been made. Backward Britain at its finest. The e-scooter demonisation has little to do with safety and everything to do with control and money. They haven't figured out a way to make money from them yet, so must ban them at all cost. If it comes down to it: Register the scooter and pay a £10/£20 per year road access fee. (Road tax equivalent) Make helmet, brake lights, front lights and indicators mandatory. Enforce speed limits in town or city centres. (15mph?) DO NOT artificially hard limit device speeds. Absolutely idiotic, unnecessary and hypocritical to do so. You can buy a car capable of 250mph but are trusted to obey speed limits in public, but still able to use the performance on a track. Same deal. It's my responsibility to maintain a speed limit in public. Punish me if I don't. Let me still use full performance in the country. (that won't happen. Every government needs complete control. People mustn't take responsibility or make decisions) Allow insurance companies to actually insure e-scooters and riders. Anything else?
The GOV is just too lazy to do anything. It's easier to leave it to the police (waste police time) and give point and fines. It's all revenue at the end of the day!
Well done sir! I can't wait to leave this country and never come back. Not just because of the stupid laws on micromobility but that is definitely making me want to speed up the process.
When cars were first introduced, it was chaos, and people were being killed. It was big news. These days, we have infrastructure designed around cars, and to a lesser extent bikes.
@@S2Tubes Yeah and there's no reason why electric scooters couldn't fit into it. Contrarily to what some people might think electric scooters are actually not new.
@@robertocabras9604 Sure. Some countries are putting in bike lanes and allowing scooters to use them too. It can happen. Of course all the idiots riding where they shouldn't, and killing people, doesn't exactly sway public and political opinion in that direction.
I was nearly killed by a ecooter plonker ploughing into me months ago, to you having a laugh this could happen to you or a loved one, they are a plague all over place ON PAVEMENTS and very very quiet.
@@philiproche7066 The problem with whataboutism is that you can always find something to try to deflect. Why try to stop drunk driving when cancer kills far more people? - for example. We get a lot of e-scooters on pavements here too. One narrowly missed my wife and I on the pavement a few weeks ago. Very fast, very quiet and the rider very much didn't give a damn. If that had been a hired scooter the rider would have been known. Now you could say that that is just like a cyclist riding dangerously on the pavement and THAT would have been a valid point for you to make.
@@32shumble Whataboutism is to concentrate on minor things and deliberately ignore the important! Car actually millions of persons and are tolerated. Applying the same standards on cars and e-scooters would immediately eliminate all cars!
@@32shumble I can understand your point of view and my comment was pretty short and lacking context. I do not excuse any bad behaviour from e-scooter riders. However, there is a constant focus on e-scooters risks that is not in line with the danger of other vehicles. As @Juri Vlk said, applying the same way of thinking to cars or motorcycles would logically lead to ask for a car and motorcycle ban. Instead we should think on how to organise cities and roads to keep everyone as safe as possible without banning anyone. Many e-riders are responsible and take care of others.
@@philiproche7066 Isn't it logical to have a trial period before introducing new forms of transport into an already complex system? Perhaps to enable data to be gathered on how to 'organise cities and roads...' etc. etc.?
Wait, you said get them off the road as they're a danger to drivers (lol?) and pedestrians, so that means you want them on the pavement??? They ain't gonna harm any driver, virtually impossible, the harm potential is to the pedestrian, therefore they should be ON THE ROAD.
I’ve realised you can be a DOCTOR, PHARMACIST, NURSE, AMBULANCE DRIVER, SOLDIER, SOLICITOR, your really just a PUPPET in their eyes… make believe rules! 😢
Bloody typical of the draconian laws in this land. The way I see it is, if the Police have taken someones scooter without consent, that is theft, if they then impound it and refuse to let you claim it back, without paying them £150.00 per day etc. Then that is demanding money with menace. Both of which are criminal offences. So just who is the criminal in all of this?
How can they take your scooter if you refuse to stop? And what can they do even if they catch you and stop you by force, which you can sue them for if you get "injured", and get more than the scooter worth.
I'm a keyworker and got pulled by the police on a sunday morning (in a cycle-lane) on my way to work, on an e-scooter. I received £100 fine and 3 points on my licence.
I know, was not happy, especially when i see little idiots riding erratically on the pavements everyday. And didn't pull rank that i was a keyworker, maybe i should've 🤔
I hate scooters on pavements. I also think they travel to fast on tiny wheels. You need to make them legal and full comp insurance should be a legal requirement.
Should this include kids and adults on push scooters too, as they too can cause injuries. And let’s add joggers on the sidewalk if you want to really insulate pedestrians from injury. What i’m saying is, be responsible and fair when any agency imposes it’s fines and regulations.
@@yanassi In fairness push scooters have by law to give priority to pedestrian's while on pavements but theres also a grey-area where they are technically also illegal on pavements along with skateboards and mobility scooters
@@RickyT15 yes that’s ambiguity seems to be left to the public to settle amongst themselves. Whereas the e-scooter situation has been dealt unfairly by an overzealous authority without a care to proportional punishment. There’s no excuse for reckless endangerment by intoxicated driving a vehicle should receive less punishment except if the person authorizing statutes is a drinker who drives.
@@yanassi Thats because they havent been given any specific laws in which others have. So they fall to the base law of motor vehicle's. Unfortunately I dont see any rush to a e-scooter law specifically for them until after the Brexit and pandemic mess. Once they are defined in laws that reference them and their use like every other vehicle then that will be solved. Until such a time they will be under base law which is generally more strict and higher punishment.
A young man lost his life after crashing his scooter on the road, with a pillion passenger who was also hurt. It's a tradegy, but if they (scooters) are rode sensibly, it shouldn't be a problem as a form of transport.
But the law is the law, you could argue like this for anyone who brakes the law. I don't see why people riding these scooters should be treated differently to car or motorcycle users.
And once again comment section is full of people that do not understand what the real problem is. The Doc here is not crying how he was treated unfairly, how this is outrageous. He is not petitioning on twitter, making hashtags etc. He is simply sharing his story for the purpose of this Legal Defence Fund cause. Whole campaign is about the ridiculous law disparity we have at the moment, and that's what they are trying to highlight here. One of the examples was mentioned - you get flat 6 points if you get caught on the road on one. Meanwhile you can get less than that if you injure somebody while driving a car under influence. Want another one? For some weird reason, you are allowed to ride an ebike just fine with the same power/speed limit without any issues. On top of that, you only need to be 14 years old to do so. So it's fine for 14yo to ride 250W 15.5mph+ (lets face it, they ride fast, its just assist that stops on 15mph) ebike on roads/pavements/bike lanes, but somehow similar powered rental scooter requires you to be 16 yo, have a provisional licence and you can only ride it on road, and private ones of similar wattage are banned from public use. And all this FUD about how dangerous they are, etc. Because ebikes arent? Because cars arent? There are idiots that ride and drive every other kind of transport. It's a matter of penalizing people for real dangers, not for outdated laws, because government officialls are too busy avoiding the laws themselves.
Yeah that's exactly what I have been saying for months! We are NOT crying because we have got punished, we are complaining because we SHOULD NOT get punished. There is a difference there but apparently for some people it is so hard to understand. I would really appreciate if Electroheads could make a video specifically on that, explaining exactly what we mean and ending the nonsense.
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Bikes are already legal on the road, electrifying them makes no difference to their basic function or safety, you still have to pedal them, and the speed limit (power cutout) imposed makes their top speeds generally slower than non electric bikes. Scooters are not legal on the roads, electrifying doesn’t make them legal. I’m not disagreeing that the laws on e-scooters are not fit for purpose, just that people need to stop comparing e-bikes to e-scooters, it’s a weak argument, and doesn’t help anyone. Better to formulate a good argument as to why e-scooters should be allowed on roads, when non e-scooters aren’t, and to suggest what legislation could be put in place to make it happen.
@@markparker5585 as far as I am aware, there is no law precluding the use of manual kick scooters on UK roads. Exactly what law are you referring to? Your thoughts on drawing an equivalency between bicycles and scooters are also rather odd. These vehicles are clearly related in all aspects apart from the drive system. There are some scooters that feature seats and some bicycles that do not so let's discount rider position. In fact, the first bicycles were propelled simply by kicking/pushing so were technically related to scooters... The only metrics that should concern us are weight, speed and safety. Clearly scooters and bicycles are related.
@@shaffermarkshaffer you are quite correct, normally I would check before making such a claim, but as I’ve never seen a kick scooter on the road in many decades, I assumed they were illegal. My error. In that case, logically, e-scooters should be allowed on the roads. The discussion then becomes what is a safe power/speed for e-scooters? I’ve no experience of riding one, so I’ll bow out now before I embarrass myself further. ;)
As an American, is it true that The UK has to pay CO2 congestion taxes? Also, are electric cars able to bypass this tax? Shouldn’t taking an electric scooter be promoted rather than fined?!
That's a great point... Trouble is our society here in the UK do not have enough responsible people and also terrible drivers on our roads... You cannot trust em!
@@peterah7957 that’s very insightful. I hate when just a few people ruin good things for the rest of us. The US is a big place, every state, county, and city has different laws. My fear is that they will take it to the extreme like where your from. So I’m rooting for you guys💪🏼
Hello from Canada. We stand with you. I donated what I could. Hope you reach your goal soon. It’s time to make changes. Electric scooters are the future of micro mobility.
Thing is its not just scooters but also high powered Ebikes where the laws need to be changed, ebikes like scooters come in many power bands and for a short time while scooters where legal in some test areas they allowed 350w while bigger heavier ebikes are just 250w which makes no sense, ultimately limiting the power of a scooter or ebike is stupid and has little bearing on the top speed of the scooter or ebike only how fast it can get there and how capable it is at going up a hill. What i find frustrating is that government claim to want to make the UK green and reduce emissions by switching to electric vehicles and the people clearly do also as many are buying scooters and ebikes because they are convenient and clean. They have even made many roads 20mph to be supposedly bike friendly so that cars are going the same speed as the bike and yet ebikes are limited to 250w and 15.5mph which makes no sense, when i had my 250w ebike it was almost impossible to get it over the limited 15mph due to its weight and i would often be over taken by other cyclists that where keeping up with the cars, when i upgraded the bike to a 1000w system it was a game changer in safety while it can go 30mph I always stick to 20mph to keep up with cars and the high power get me up to speed faster and has actually saved my life a few times as i accelerated out of danger where as the 250w one would not have been able to. So both scooters and ebikes of all power levels should be legal, and like many I would happily register my ebike and get insurance if I could but it is impossible, sure you can put it through a MSVA but that means that little ebike has to measure up to motorbike standards with everything E marked with tests not designed for ebikes and then when i looked into insurance it was impossible to get. The UK needs to get with the times and at the very least adopt the US rules where scooters are legal and high power ebikes up to 20mph are legal
As a 60 year old Londoner who has two scooters at a USA holiday home I am a big fan of scooters. Many older people will want to ride these scooters and many heavier people will want to ride these scooters and I would urge Electroheads to fight against any speed restrictions on the scooters themselves. The fact is that this will heavily discriminate against older riders who need double the power on a scooter to get even to the same speed as a younger person of light weight. These useful and wonderful things will transform peoples lives and save energy. They are only illegal since they were not envisaged when old laws were made and now need to be legalised, registered and insured. I am very much looking forward to buying on for use in London.
Think it just depends where you ride it. I generally ride it in my neighbourhood and police don't do anything. Riding in city is probably a different story.
Problem is, it's down to the discretion of the officer. If area chief has a crackdown, then that's what they all go out and do. I stopped using mine when I saw reports on the news, because I thought if stopped they took it away and that was it. Didn't know about: Driving with no insurance, automatic fine of up to £300 and six penalty points.
This honestly annoys me so much. There is a legal requirement, you broke the law, you suffer the consequences. If you think the law should change, then change the law but don’t don’t promote law-breaking.
The law in my state says a 2 wheeled vehicle without a seat is illegal. So I think I'll get a seat and mount it behind the footrest. The law does not say you have to sit on the seat otherwise bicycles and motorcycles would not be legal since you lift off the seat to go over rough terrain.
Electric bikes electric cars mobility scooters they also want to have driverless cars by end of the year but electric scooters are not allowed.. How does that make sense..
Good for you, sad for the lack of any responsible common sense exhibited by the British upper political clown show. Irresponsible scooter riders deserve whatever happens to them, as should politicians who are also acting irresponsible in their misplaced sense of legal proportionality
@@rayjennings3637 what about the probably innocent people the, "insert any mode of transport here..." May hit and injure or kill and the victims family's.....
If I had consulted this Doctor a week before he was stopped I'm sure he would have given me good medical advice. In return I would have given him good legal advice (as a retired insurance company employee) that his use of an e scooter has been, and remains, illegal since the 1960s unless used on private land. Would HE have taken MY advice, I wonder?
Oh, this is corruption pure and simple. It's all about money. I can give you a few reasons this is being done. #1 the auto industry could be paying a bribe to a person higher up to make up and enforce these rules since they don't want people to adopt scooters as their main transportation, #2 city makes an enormous amount of money writing these illegal and simple tickets(it called policing for profit). In the U.S. it's against the law and you can take city or state officials to court over it. #3 the city is hurting for money because of the pandemic, so they are desperate for some fast easy money, and taking advantage of innocent victims is the easiest way for them to raise some fast cash. These officials could care less about victimizing innocent people as their needs come first. They have no integrity or ethical values.
If climate change is man made, electric scooters would be the ideal solution in reducing vehicle emissions. But in reality, government policy has nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with huge profits on taxpayer subsidised electric cars.
A year has passed and the promised 1 year trial has not ended, it's way about time they allowed privately owned scooters into the trial. What better way to see the real impact of them?
They do not even appear to have begun any such trials in Wales yet, despite a load of nonsense being spouted about active travel and climate change. A bunch of hypocrites, actually.
Governments and states around the world simply need to get with the times and legislate sensibly. Here in Western Australia scooters are technically illegal on roads, cycle paths and pavements but most people are sensible and the police tend to turn a blind eye. Interestingly cycling on pavements here was made legal a few years ago as it was generally deemed safer then cycling on the road for many people. Keep up the good work!
Cycling on pavements may be safer for cyclists, but it’s not for pedestrians! If cyclists do not have the confidence to use the road, then they should walk.
Here is SA we can receive a fine around $1,600 for riding on the road/footpath - more than drink driving. In Queensland it’s perfectly safe and legal to ride - crappy state laws.
Governments are criminal organizations that’s it. They say this belongs to us and you must pay for it and you must play by the rules we set because we have all the money to hire thousands of thugs with guns and therefore all the power to enforce it.
Have you ever seen a police officer even talking with any of these electric scooterist ? Because I have not! Not even once. Every minute 3-4 of these passing me by on my way to work and home, still no one cares. In this country riding an electric scooter is illegal. Still NO ONE cares. Now an old bloke was penalized and we are already living in a Socialist, communist country... :) These comments are hilarious.
E-scooters would be a great idea if they could be banned from use on the pavement. That means they must be used on the road. Therefore because they are a 'mechanically' propelled vehicle, the riders must have full insurance just like any other road-going vehicle. We should not have to depend on the 'good-will' and care and consideration of the riders because a whole load of them couldn't care less, other than for themselves and many have a complete lack of common-sense.
@@kevincook2591 The only electric bikes that are legal in the UK have weedy little feeble 250w motors and go less than 15mph. You can pedal faster than that. Otherwise they are illegal unless you register them as a moped or motorcycle and have have insurance/MOT etc etc. For something that barely does 20-25mph It's a joke. Police are clamping down and confiscating illegal ebikes as well now.
None. Matter of fact, they are saying it's going to be put to parliament in the 2023-2024 session now, it was supposed to be legalized in this session. Also the current parliamentary session has been extended to autumn.....
They are now legal in Sweden. They put them under the same law as ordinary bikes, which means you can't drive them on the sidewalks if you're over 12. It's less chaos in the streets because when you own an electric scooter *you take care of it!*
I just completed 2143km on my Ninebot Max on the streets footpath cycle paths of Perth Western Australia. We don't get hassled by the police even though e-scooters are technically illegal here. Nobody's getting hurt pedestrians aren't getting run over. We have almost seamlessly fitted into the current infrastructure structure without any real issues at all They are just accepted as as sensible cost effective means of modern day transport. Don't allow unjustified silly rules tob takeaway your fun future and freedom.
Tell that to my friend and neigbour. He was hit, from behind, on the pavement by one of these e-motorbikes. [That's what they are legally]. Hamza is now in a wheelchair and needs people just to take him to the shops. All because, and you can see it on the posts here, a group of people have decided that they are above the law.
@@Nickle314 you are missing the point here, someone hits you on a scooter, they will be hurt as well, whereas a vehicle can be used as a weapon… therefore should be treated in different capacities
@@damnft8218 In case of my friend they did a runner. He was the one who ended up in hospital for weeks, 5 hour plus operations. The problem is cyclists and motorcyclists are using the pavement. It's that playground argument, Sam punched me so I smashed Sarah's face in. Same logic.
EUC is in the same situation. It is interesting that police, army, law makers never even try to ride one of the electric personal transporters of any kind.
The question is, can they stop you if you refuse to stop and just carry on? London officers have certain safety assessments when chasing moped/motorbike riders without helmets. The crime must justify the risk of chasing you. So not stopping because you don't want to get the points or lose your scooters or pay the fine, doesn't sound like a good enough reason to put the rider's and everyone else's safety at risk. I honestly think that hey only get away because sensible riders stop when asked to do so. Which is great, why not tax the honest person more?
I live in kettering and thought the police weren't doing too much about scooters as I've seen a lot of private ones. Clearly not! My family are getting sick of me ranting about how unrealistic the laws relating to e-scooters are!
These things are death traps and anyone with no idea or any road safety training can ride one, with no insurance, so when they damage another person's property they ride off never to be see again. They are worse than bikes and along with bikes if they must have them then get them a number plate to identify the rider.
Wake up James. Times have changed... You have been hoodwinked by a profitable automotive industry that has made little progress in 70 years... Lightweight, personal, non-polluting vehicles are the answer. Electric scooters are just the start. Your car is a relic... Get out of it until you become one too!
I suggest you don't say e-scooters are harmless to the mother whose 3 year old daughter suffered life changing injuries the other day after being hit by an idiot riding an e-scooter illegally in a public park.
@@ViN-kr3ri I agree its not acceptable to ride dangerously or cause harm, but for someone trying to commute to work carefully isn’t a crime. They should introduce an e scooter license like a moped CBT. With cheap insurance. These are meant to reduce traffic and lower overall pollution. I’d rather get hit by an e scooter than a car.
@dave schoey you're completely wrong. Riding carefully is just as illegal as riding dangerously. What you would like is not the same as what the law actually is.
Serves you right. Too many out there that think they are above the law. They are illegal to use on the road unless those being trialed by local authorities.
There is a difference between a bicycle that has a motor to assist the peddle power and an e-scooter where the motor provides the total power. Each type of vehicle on the roads needs specific laws, so an electric motorbike currently requires a registration and the rider to have paid VED, have insurance and a license to ride said motorbike. An e-scooter is an electric motorbike and meets none of the above criteria in most cases. Even if the rider has insurance, he would not meet some or all of the other criteria. A bicycle with a petrol engine in the rear wheel has to have a registration and counts as a motorbike.
@@jameshaywood878 Are you saying you don't get young and stupid cyclists?? You certainly do!! It is only the more mature people who can afford to get an electric bike!
Covid-19: PM and chancellor self-isolate after rapid U-turn .. 20/07/21 - BBC news .... 1 rule for them, 1 rule for us ... Shame they are to thick to realize their kids will be sharing the same environment as ours in the future.
@@iamrocketray WRONG !! ... The planet is an ecosystem num nuts ... Ie where ever they go .. the seas will be just as acidic .. water will be just as scarce etc .. the air will be just as polluted, .... Want an example .. google "Ozone layer hole: How its discovery changed our lives" .. that was a worldwide effort that took 25 years to completely resolve xD ... Were all screwed .. people need to wake up and realize that in 4 years time 2/3rds of the world fresh water drinking supply will no longer be there ... DYOR ... its not that hard ;)
Get an ebike until the law changes. Ebike are cheap fun and are almost effortless now... I think it's pretty common knowledge that private escooters illegal on public roads and paths. Got what he deserves... If we all acted on how we wanted to act we would have a lawless society
But the problem is that he's not doing a criminal action, he was just riding a compact escooter which has the same amount of power than an ebike. And he get a big fine for that and -6 points on his driver license, just for that.
Hi Donald, I appreciate that these are pretty new and can take some getting used to. However, all you fears could be applied to bicycles and I am pretty sure you wouldn't want those banned? If you have been upset by scooter riders who may have been discourteous, then I. Sure everyone here would be sympathetic. However, I am not sure blaming the scooter and not the rider makes much sense.
It is against the law for bicycles to ride on the pavement so most cyclists do not. I also do not walk in the road except when crossing with care! I cycle responsibly and drive an insured car on the road! These scooters come up behind you at up to 15 mph soundlessly and if you veer your direction they can hit you with often calamantous consequences! The law should be applied by the police without fear or favour on the roads and on the pavements! The more illegally ridden scooters that are confiscated the better I say!
@@donaldsutherland491 the scooter that came up behind you on the pavement was ridden by someone who should have known better. And we all agree that they should have been penalised for something like this. We are simply trying to say that you need to separate the technology (which could actually do us all a lot of good), with antisocial behaviour.
I wanna buy myself one, but I'm really disappointed about this at this point in time and really considering to wait a lot longer until the law becomes clearer.
@@Zuluknob the one I wanna buy is worth £600, I work my ass off to earn and use that money to travel from home to train, from work to gym. I don't wanna invest that money knowing I will throw it away. Not fair.
Absolutely ridiculous the government are stopping use of green product and need to clear up regs with ebikes ,escooters,emotorbikes another market area where we are behind the game.
Unfortunately, as there are numerous instances of misuse of e-scooters, which has resulted in the death of pedestrians. There does need to be suitable regulation in place in order to ensure that those using e-scooters are both insured and traceable as well as the requirement to wear a helmet, lights, etc (I feel that this should also be in place for cycles, due to the number of cycling related accidents where 3rd party property is damaged).
I can't see a problem with insurance, a licence compulsory helmet, registration. and major issue not being mentioned speed limitation built in. They are not pavement friendly or road worthy like a skateboard, like all the kids l want .i want it now .ignorance is no excuse, like the 60 yr old doc stupidity certainly isn't
The point when they do make these scooters legal they may add that they are licenced, insured and a helmet just like mopeds, but you are going to get some who wont get any of these and still ride on pavements at 30 mph thinking that are ok.
@@dreadsces That is no excuse not to legalise their use. People said that cars should be banned over a century ago because they were dangerous. They are still dangerous, but I'd like to see us survive without them now. Horse and cart anyone?
@@madskier50 yes they should be legalised....but they are not so riding them getting stopped fined and points is what the punishment...that's extreme but its law. Campaign, get lawyers to get the fines and points reduced or abolished great.....but they are illegal to use. No matter how great they are and the environment and cost saving, your not allowed to ride them in public...
@@madskier50 True but it can be the goverments excuse not to legalise them...remember its they who give the aggreement to be able to use them in public...and remember the goverment at the moment is making a whole lot more money from a single persons private scooter than 20+ hired scooters...in other words say £500 for the inital cost...you get caught its then £300 fine if it gets seized £150 for the return and £16 per day for thats at least tax from £950 plus how many days you dont collect it. So the goverment at the moment dont need to legalise them for the income they already getting fromthe crackdown lol....The bottom line is yes they should be legalised to used in public....too many possitive points that outweigh the idiots that bring them down..
The laws everywhere are simply not fit for purpose with this technology. In Australia, WA has the best road laws. You can ride them for a start! Second of all you can ride them on the foot path and the road up to certain speed limits and you must where a helmet. Where as in Victoria you cant rde them anywhere.
I just purchased mine but I see it more and more people getting pulled over and charged. I currently use the rental ones and ive easily done 100 journeys already adding up to the cost of my Scooter. This is not something that should be getting such negative press. We are just people trying to get by. Saving a penny and doing a little for the environment why we are at it. It would cost me £10 a day to park my car at the station. nearly 200 a month... I've wrote to my local MP to get some further advise but they don't seem to know enough or want to represent this. Just get the same spiel everyone else gets about there being trials and they are working up to it. The rules could be so simple. Don't be a dick and ride it safely. done. 1 day we will look back at this and laugh.. i hope.
I'm pleased that the Police have chosen to crack down on this, rather than hunting down the people who were calling for Doctors and Nurses to be hung in London.
Well being in the police myself. Escooters are illegal on the road everyone knows this, you need a licence and insurance it's well advertised! However no one is a criminal for using an escorter this video is click bate nonsense. It's an offence against the road traffic act. You are cautioned because that is the procedure for reporting someone for a traffic offence. Everyone moaning about points it's clear in the law so don't ride one or know the risks if you do. I have stopped many and I judge the way I deal with it on the manner of the rider. If you are blasting along the pavement the scooter is getting seized, riding it dangerously, riding it up the M1 as you are following you sat nav (I've had that on 6 occasions) it's getting seized etc. If it is sensibly ridden words of advice will be give on the first occasion with the legal advice and that they are for private land use only for now.. However if I see you on it again then its getting seized (so far 67 second stops recorded for people not taking the advice). I have dealt with five serious injury accidents involving escooters and many other not so serious, drivers cars being damaged that they have to fox as the escooter riding has no insurance. Many ride them recklessly with no regard for others or their own safety. Personally once they are legal and the appropriate insurance is avaliable will I buy one yes, as they are a great way of getting around. But until then I wouldn't make the purchase. They will be made legal at some point but for now remember that everytime you get on yours you are risking the 6 points and fine and the recover cost.
@@TheManOnTheRail technically speaking, our existing 'laws' consider a 8-12-15mph Escooter a fully fledged 50cc motorcycle... (yet, there's no such options whatsoever to even insure them.) These laws are outdated and bullshit.
@@esk8jaimes The 'law' re eScooters has not been defined. Obviously they did not exist pre Section 63 Road Traffic Act 1988. As for the law being outdated and BS, that may well be the case, any new technology makes existing laws where they could apply outdated. Hence the trial and determination one way or other with regards implementing eScooters into the Road Traffic Act. It may well be mandatory insurance, MOT, helmets, bell, blah blah blah or nothing at all.
And the difference between an electric bicycle with a twist grip throttle and an electric scooter is... one is legal to use on roads and the other is not!?
Both illegal to use, you're talking about an E-MOPED. E-Bikes are bicycles that have an electric motor that can only be activated whilst pedaling and the power must cut out at around 15mph. Once you install a twist and go it is illegal and it is then classed as an electric moped.
@@spiderman01980 Well, that's news to me. But surely most electric bikes already have an electric motor for twist grip and pedal assist? There are no reports of police officers pulling up cyclists. Where are you getting this information from?
If they are doing this to e-scooters this should be done to e-bikes as well. I use a e-scooter and boii I ain't paying for shit when e-bike users ain't getting the same treatment
the current ebike laws are for 15mph/250w pedal-assisted e-bikes. There's no reason why the slower e-scooters shouldn't be treated the same. (albeit with a larger motor limit to compensate for their speed loss on hills)
What a half arse way of looking at it. If e-bike riders are exempt then surely that should be the target that e-scooter riders should aspire to? To try and drag e-bike riders down to e-scooter levels of harassment is not helpful and dare I say, a little childish !
@@paulharrison8155 I dear say my ass. Its not half ass, if anything has a motor on it and moving at over 15mph on the street they should all be treated the same incompetent fool. The amount of stupid cyclist that don't even know how to correctly use a cycle lane but want to complain about getting hit is hilarious 🤣 then there's some who ride at 5mph or don't even know how to use a bike correctly on the roads should be stopped point blank so your words are invalid, try again next time
I've got an E-scooter and an electric bicycle with a twist throttle that I am unable to legally use now in the U.K. so guess what, I now use my 5.0 V8 whenever I go anywhere. Crazy or what??? Waken up Britain and ditch the restrictions on this type of transport. The environment will thank you for it.
its how they ride them. jumping out from a path to a road. racing down a path hitting people at 15 miles...... Kids are doing it to and from school. I think if you have an e scooter they need insurance including being killed insurance for legal costs to the other vehicles and must wear helmet and do a course... And the worst thing......... they know its illegal but still do it
In Spain it is legal to ride e scooters for over 14 year olds, not allowed on sidewalks only on roads. A crash helmet must be worn, and cycle lanes must be used where available
