This and That: 2017 Worlds - Ladies 

12:19 Ashley Wagner 20:16 Karen Chen 26:35 Mariah Bell 33:15 Kaetlyn Osmond + Gabrielle Daleman / my personal opinion: Agree with La, I prefer Gabby over Osmond 37:38 Evgenia Medvedeva / Agree with Dave, that Osmond's program is incoherent, and Evgenia can do a Trump program 40:53 Anna Pogorilaya 46:01 Maria Sotskova / Sorry I still can't get into her skating yet, she needs to get better programs. 46:24 Mai Mihara / Sacrificing an American spot or any kind of magic would not help Mao to PyeongChang because she said goodbye already :'( Lord have mercy on figure skating... 48:06 Carolina Kostner / What's sad is that judges are helping European skaters and North American skaters but not Asian skaters, Mao and Satoko last year, Zijun Li this year are perfect examples 49:44 MK moment

Johnny tends to be honest and articulate and sometimes has great insights. Tara tends to over-explain and over-talk. Ben is pleasant.

Not rooting for an American in figure skating is no different than cheering for the football team that isn't from your home town. It's important to respect all the athletes for their art form but there is no harm if your favorite athlete is from another country. That is the beauty of this sport. Every athlete is different and great in their own way, and different athletes appeal to different people. I will always cheer for Ashley because I adore her, but I also love Evengia, Anna and Gabby. I mean, don't go booing or wishing anyone would fall, but to each their own.

Haven't watched yet- I've so been waiting for this!

It's sad that you guys were discussing the possibility of Mao going to the Olympics in the video. Yet she just announced her retirement from competitive career today.

was I the only one devastated by Anna Pogorilaya's failure? She never seemed to get the attention she deserved from Russian Federation, e.g. scoring lower in Russian Nationals than on the international stage; and the Federation's predicament regarding WTT judging by the google translated version of the article seemed particularly cruel. Yet she's the only Russian lady who's been on the world team the entire last quad, and that says a lot in this crazy era of Russian lady figure skating. she's only 19, jumping to the conclusion that her career is over seems unfair and harsh... I do hope she comes back strong and consistent next season, slams the gpf and lands herself in the olympic team.

Thank you for breaking up the recaps. Much appreciated Dave

Dave, La, and Jonathan, and worlds review? This just made my night! Love you guys!

Great that you guys are honest and do constructively criticize skaters of all nationalities (well, constructively most of the time!). I'm glad you're not automatically, mindlessly pro-American. Keep up the good work!

OMG, I'm so glad I'm not the only one that really likes Sotskova!

just have to say hearts to you Dave - thanks for making my Monday with this new video

I have been checking so often for a new "This and that", only seeing that Dave was busy interviewing Brian Orser stopped me from being angry :) Thanks, guys! Also, while watching ladies' practice before the free program, had a feeling that Rafael was very, VERY nice to Mariah Bell, so she might be his new "best girl".

She's running back to get the photograph from the short program. It's a whole story arc.

I absolutely love all three of your voices. I've been waiting patiently for this recap. I've been pleasantly surprised by the NBC skating commentary (Johnny, Charlie, Tanith, & Ben, and even Ryan), but really there's no other sharp, critical voice like yours out there in figure skating. Please keep doing exactly what you're doing. Your recaps are food for the soul for those of us who love art criticism just as much as art.

I agree with not having a nationality with skating because I like who I like and I don't want to be restricted to just my nationality.

Love this, love you guys - the trifecta! And Jonathan's lighting makes him look even more angelic than ever. xoxo About the skating? I am just bewildered and confused. IJS keeps changing. I can barely keep up with my own life!

The Japanese tv commentators are probably the best. They are fair and positive and very experienced!

"Posted 48 seconds ago" I win

My hope is that Julia will be healed from her injuries and she can turn things around next season, making it back to the Olympics. Silly dream I know, but she's a lovely skater, and one of my faves among the Russian ladies. Would be nice for her to have a fairytale ending to her rollercoaster career.

I think 2018 will be Ashley's year. She is a beast when it comes to determination and training. I think her (unfortunate) off-ice drama this year will allow her to focus on what she needs to do. She has nerves of steel. I, along with so many others, will be rooting so hard for her!

Ben Agosto is my fav commentator right now!

I agree that Ashley's programs this year weren't really her best/style (and I'm not sure how La La Land will work for her either...), and her spins could really be improved for Olympic season next year - as much as I love her, she has some improvements for sure!!

I have several thoughts about all of this. First, I think there should be a TSL fantasy pool for Medvedeva's program next year. It's one of the most exciting questions in ladies skating today. ;). Second, I agree with Jonathan, but I think Karen Chen should skate to even more esoteric 20th century French music, like Lili Boulanger or something. I think she could pull it off. Third, I really missed Satoko Miyahara. I hope she's back next season. I'm not Japanese (Kori Ade), but she and Marin Honda are two of my favorite ladies currently! Anyway, already can't wait to see what next season brings. This video made my heart happy.

What did you guys think about Elisabet and Dabin? I think that they are skaters that could definitely rise either in the Olympic year or afterwards, especially Dabin!

Haters gonna hate. Keep on keepin' on.

i LOVED ryan bradley's commentary! and whoever the chick was too.

Popcorn ready.

Before next season starts, everyone predict who will make Grand Prix Final this year. Don't forget the upcoming juniors!

The irony about Ashley is she probably could have got on the podium this year but she didn't bring her best. It seemed like Pogorilia was consistent and with Miahara out due to injury the door was wide open.

I feel you Dave, I get all kinds of flack for rooting for Javi and Patrick over Nathan since I'm American. Skating does transcend borders. La, I'm with you! I would have put Gabby ahead of Kaetlyn! Osmond is getting tons of gifts for sloppy skates. I find Gabby more dynamic overall and think she was cleaner at this competition. Osmond looks like she has to battle through a program not to fall apart. I'm at ease while watching Gabby, even if she falls. I adore my Diva Wagner, and this was my favorite program she ever put out there, but this particular performance didn't have the jumps there. And without those, there is no case to be made. I have to wonder if Raf isn't totally over her at this point. 7th? Her worst result in about 4 years. This doesn't bode well for next year. She's not getting any gifts from the USFS. She either delivers or both she and Gracie can watch the Olympics on TV. We all counted Karen out and she's the only one who looked like a possible challenger for the podium. All this talk about 3 spots is silly to me - we have 3 spots for 3 women who don't have a realistic prayer of making the podium. Russia has the top two spots locked up now that Zagitova is coming to the senior level. I'd rather have one spot for a true contender.

Moulin Rouge is obviously Ashley's signature but Samson & Delilah was pretty damn spectacular... That choreography was some of my favorite

Just FYI, Ladies discussion starts at 12:20

Do you guys think any current lady's do well with the Carousel Waltz? Maybe Kaetlyn? Apart from Boitano and the Shin Sibs I've never seen a Carousel program and I dunno whyyyyy

Would love a whole video where you suggest music for each skater

ACTUAL RECAP STARTS AT 12:20 (before this they just talk abt a fight Dave got in to and commentators)

I want to see Elena Radionova come back strong. She's in Russia's top three if she does, imo. Hell, we talk about Sochi but she wasn't age eligible there. She was second only to Mao that season unless I am mistaken. Sotnikova's gold should be hers! I know we can't travel back in time, but I needed to say that. LBVS! We can't give up on Elena.

I also wish someone would skate to A Clockwork Orange... Queen Mary --> Record Store March --> Beethoven's 9th... Cool character to portray too

Is her name actually La

Can we bring back La for This and That??

There should have been a hook on the zamboni so they could have dragged Anna off the ice

lol at 40:37 I'm so glad I wasn't drinking anything or that would have been a tsunami of a spit take..

I miss the ice queen Mao Asada and Queen Yuna competitors rivals 😍😍😍 I miss that times Olympic Vancouver hmm 😐

who is the coach??

Ummmmm OK seriously there's no patriotism in ice skating!!! I love Wagner to death, but you think I'm-a root for Gold over Asada?!?

Btw, Radionova has a nice personality? She fakes well on the camera. Watch her reaction after losing to Medvedeva at the Russian nationals in 2015 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-71oU3-v8WWg.html

Did Dave not remember that Karen did Nessun Dorma last year, or did he mean something like that "again"?

So much unnecesary negativity. Are you covering sport or spreading rumours? What is this channel about?

Osmond is always "gifted" by the judges. Even when she doesn't skate clean, she winds up with positive GOE's.

I prefer Medvedeva because of fluidity, artistry, lightness that the canadians can'ts have ,,,their to athletic ( specially Dalleman OMG). Duhamel and Dalleman don't have an artistic bone in them so happy that the chinese won in pairs they are pure art on ice. I not always agree with you but love your commentaries Dave, i hope you know you have a few fans and supports around the world.

Yaaay Love your triade

ashley didnt do well because gracie wasnt there to push her...gracie brings out the fighter in ashley

WHY ARE YOU GIVING SO MUCH ATTENTION TO NEGATIVE NONSENSE. DO YOUR THING HUNNY!

50:43 -51:13 38:27 - 40:43

Re Mariah competing with Ashley for Raf's time ..... this will be interesting. Mariah is a bit of a chameleon; if you'll remember when she was with Kori, she dyed her hair to match Kori's, and often managed to be photographed with Jason Brown. She followed Jason like a puppy. Now she's dying her hair to match Ashley's and is competing with Ashley for time? Mariah could do well to watch her back with Ashley rather than emulate her. Ashley is a master at psychological competition, and I do believe that part of Gracie's problem the past couple of years has had a lot to do with Ashley. Also, Mariah's success at Skate America had more to do with Kori's influence and the fact that she had made this successful transition to Raf and, in her eyes. had "made it." I believe that Mariah has great style and a lot of talent. I'd hate to see her future ruined due to her insecurity and dramatics. Possibly this won't be a very popular viewpoint, but it's my take ....

I need Karen to skate to Jeux d'Eau by Ravel for the short programme!!!! She'd be absolutely gorgeous with it. That or the Debussy Nocturne. She needs Michelle Kwan's Tosca music for the free programme.

Medvedeva should have gotten a 143, not a world record 😑

"Nail it out of the park" is not an expression, Dave.

You guys are so mean to Anna. She was obviously devastated after her FS and almost fainted on ice. She is just an emotional and sensitive girl, but you guys accused her of staging the melodrama... Well after having lived in the States for a couple of year, I understand that you're supposed to fake smiles all the time and hide everything under the fake smiles.

literally squealed like a crazy person seeing all 3 of you for the recap

Zhenya's definitely the best female skater as Yuzuru Hanyu's the best male skater of all time. Jealous underachievers here were simply too stupid to comprehend that. Toxic and negative fools will never ever change that. Baa!