Isn't it possible to do both? Swing the off arm into the rotation (initially more across the body in the direction of rotation) but then the off arm quickly transitions into anchoring / braking. Looks kinda like Zach Nash does this with his off arm at 18m11s here ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7CoTW91HYG4.html
@disc-golf-neil If you think you can swing the arm in two opposing directions and time the move perfectly in about 0.2 seconds, I don't see why not. And I'm pretty sure Nash doesn't "do" that, but the arm happens to swing like that.
for me I don't punch forward and keep going, but downwards toward my brace foot or down in between(to control launch angle) it's like you are making a "swimming" motion(reach, and pull back). Same like you can't make a whip snap whipping it forward without pulling after.
Just like not letting go of the disc, this is also unintuitive. But it makes sense in that you need to transfer your kinetic energy into the disc instead of into spinning yourself more. I just tried it without a disc and it felt way faster (and hurt a bit with blood rushing to my fingers). I'll have to try it out tomorrow and see what it's like with a disc. Thanks for the tip.
I had time to put this into practice this evening and I'm honestly amazed at how well it worked. My timing was instantly better and I stopped spinning forward through the brace. This has to be one of the best cues a disc golf coach has come up with. It also felt easier to throw. Watch the whole video so you understand it completely and then give it a go. Clint, I wanted you to know that I'm incredulous at how simple and effective this is for me. Game changer.
@@glennedleynot trying to take away any credibility from Clint, but I know I've heard this "cue" before...as for the last few months I've often reminded myself to do this. More importantly, when I do, the biggest thing I notice...I'm hitting my intended line more consistently.
@@nealwagenman8764 Cool. You're probably right. Nothing is ever "new", and sometimes it's just the way it's framed that gives you an Aha! moment. I did see the consistency too but that was with putters. So, I'm looking forward to trying it with drivers over the weekend.
The positivity and curiosity that shines thru in the comments makes me love this channel evermore!! Great info...tried, tested, observed, and analyzed with precision...it shows. Well done sir! Keep it up Blitz!! Keep it up Viewers!!! Side note: "Blitz Creek" would be an awesome name for a DG course.
Brilliant! I throw ~65mph when warm. I just tried a dozen throws in my basement with a Techdisc with a full approach. Trying to stop my shoulders was ~2mph faster than not trying. Trying to stop my shoulders forces me to brace explosively. Before the "hit," most of our body should be as relaxed as possible, and it's hard to find a cue that makes us explosive without getting tight. This seems to do that.
This is the first time I've been able to consistently feel that blood rushing to my fingertips, and I threw forty feet farther than average on my second throw (I also hit a metal sign that made a gash in my disc, but totally worth it). It really was like magic and helped me feel grounded and that I was wasting less momentum. Many thanks, adn please keep making this awesome content!
I tried this into a net a few times this evening and it feels strange but very stable and my off arm did what its supposed to do, can't wait to try this in a field this week. Thanks for the work you are doing Clint, your the man.
I really appreciate all of the work you did before filming to test this idea. I think this cue really resonated with me and is motivating me to continue practicing consistently. Thanks for making this video!
This is the first time Ive ever heard this verbage, and Ive been around a while, PDGA 308. "Stop the shoulder rotation" and the body will do the right actions to make this happen. My very first empty-hand practice swing with this idea was comfortable and coordinated. Ill try it in the field and with the tech disc later. It reminded me of throwing backhand in Ultimate when keeping the pivot foot down is required. You must reverse the hip rotation and throw the off arm backward close to the release point. Thank you!
Give it a try, it IS just a drill to teach the body feelings, but I have seen a slew of success with people using it, so something about it certainly works.
I did field work, 80 standstill throws, with my usual neutral Mako3s. At first, more accurate, but significantly less distance. By the end, still more accurate and much better timing, not quite as far, but close. Excellent balance, btw. I'm going to stick with it for a while. I predict I'll have all my distance back soon. It is definitely a good swing thought that naturally causes good form! I highly recommend that everyone give it a try.
Yeah this makes perfect sense. The shoulders are the last thing to decelerate before sending the hand. So focusing on them would put you in a really good position, because for most of us the bottom half has become more "automatic". For sure trying this. It will work well with Josh's last lesson in stopping my back leg from slamming into my front leg...lol. Great stuff!
This is a cue I've been using for month and the transfer of power to my arm feels way better. The way I imagine it is, you can't crack the whip if you keep spinning the handle.
exactly, i throw 350ish but it takes so much effort. i think i only get that far because im fairly athletic. i havent tried this technique yet but it makes so much sense. this guy might be a genius lol.
Hmm, going to have to try this. I know I over rotate, and the only thing that has worked is to think about it like a newton's cradle where the left side stops and transfers the momentum to the right side, but trying to hold the left side back makes sense.
I’ve been working on this very thing. The biggest thing I’ve noticed to help so far is getting a proper reach back. If I just kinda reach back or twist, then I blow through and get late rounding. But, if get my reach back right, my hips don’t want to go too far which allows me to throw out.
Ya- you have explained well:) I’ve been explaining this to my son- it’s the same in baseball and tennis. We say “SIDE-ON”, which is the same as “square to the camera”. Ginger snap has a drill for this, and that’s where I first saw it. Thanks, Blitz, for being there for us! I’ve learned a lot here:)
I've been working on this concept for a while now. My natural inclination is to rotate through but when I am able to get my timing correct the difference is noticeable. Just this weekend I parked the last hole at Nevin(Pro Tour Hole 8 this year/462ft) for the first time ever. I usually end up short in the OB creek but not only did I clear it but it didn't feel like I got my best throw either and it came out like a rocket.
Explanation makes perfect sense to me. The single most significant form change I've ever experienced has been stabbing the ground with my right foot, then straightening right leg as I push hard AGAINST the rotation. It's like a pole vault only sideways. The stop then go aspect of that pushing movement establishes a rock steady platform through which all that momentum has to pass into the disc. FWIW, cracking an actual whip is quite similar. The power movement is in the opposite direction to all the other. There's a sudden yank that is transmitted against the flow as an accelerating wave. Thanks for your expertise derived from persistent effort and boundless curiosity, sir!
Love the science approach! I think I kind of stumbled on to doing this after watching Tristian Tanners video about throwing straight. He said most lower level players have a “scared look back followed by an anxious look forward” and the head position screws up the release point. So trying to keep my head from rotating forward early to throw straighter seemed to instantly give me more power and it was the same sensation you’re describing. I think. It definitely seems to slow down or delay my rotation at the end, yet I got more power. Gonna try this drill later today!
This definitely helped me with bracing properly, which I've really struggled with. Still need to drill this way more to get consistent, but the good throws really feel way better than before, probably around 10-15% of extra distance for the same effort. For reference I usually throw around 300 on controlled, slight hyzers and 350 on hyzer flips.
Took this cue for a spin yesterday and what I noticed is that without losing any amount of power (in fact, probably gaining a few mph) it was way easier to get angles intentionally out of the hand. For whatever reason when I think of the hit point as the stop point I can control the angle the disc is released on so much easier.
Oh man, I totally discovered this too last week. I went from 65mph one steppers to 67mph one steppers when I actually focused on stopping my torso. I still have a bunch of other issues I'm working thru but now there's one less :)
This is something I’m excited to try. I can throw between 380 and 450, but I still feel like I’m blowing through my brace. I look more like James Conrad than Drew Gibson, if that makes sense.
This is great stuff! I have been doing this already, though I do just use the cue of keeping my line of sight perpendicular to my target line as the arm comes through, but it's with the purpose of slowing rotation. I can feel my left shoulder going back as the disc is coming through. When I do it right and my head stays neutral, I can actually get really good snap on the disc. The other big thing for me that's helped is both dropping my trailing knee in so that I actually weight shift (vs picking up my foot or even worse doing nothing with the trail leg which then your weight just stays back) and pushing my knee down so that I actually get extension in my brace leg (vs trying to just push into the ground which never worked for me). I'll definitely try to simplify this down to just stopping rotation and see what happens though. Tangentially, I think everyone is a rotational thrower. I don't think it works any other way. To get good speed on the disc, you have to generate centripetal force in order to accelerate it, and you can't do that linearly. What makes the difference is how much (how long and how fast) you rotate before you apply the brakes to your torso. Some people don't brake at all at that shows as they rotate around with the arm. Others brake very early and that's what makes it look like a "linear" throw, but as you said, you don't need much to start the rotation. Kristian Kuoksa has a video where he talks about how his torso actually starts reversing rotation for a moment, which I also think is what's happening with Wiggins as he claws at the air with his off hand trying to slow down his trailing side, or at least that's what I think he's trying to do. And Wiggins being super deep pocket really only happens for him in 360 throws which I don't think relate well to a normal x-step throw, but he's definitely rotating. He's an anomaly anyway--a very amazing anomaly, but one nonetheless.
I started naturally doing this a few months ago because I was looking for a way to get a consistent release point. I was surprised when it added distance too. My rating has jumped 35 pts since then.
Omg, lmao!! I was looking for an alternate camera angle view of gandalf vs the balrog for the past 10mins. Its a thumbnail 😂. Great video tho will test it out this week!!
Tried this out today and I think it's a great cue at least for me. Played our local tag round and birdied the longest hole for the first time ever. Had a few misfires but also had a few of the longest drives I have had in a long time. I look forward to trying out the tech disc and seeing how much speed I may have gained. I do notice my back hurting a bit, i think my abs are too weak and I am going into back extension to slow down my rotation. Guess I need to work on my core. Great video Blitz!
@@ioweutube2 Thanks! I had actually watched that vid a few days ago, excellent info in that one. I guess I just need to work towards getting as jacked as Nick and Clint! 😄
This is a cue I have tinkered with a few times. It feels great and feels faster, but I haven't seen any speed increases on tech disc. I think I need to just stick with it for longer maybe
Honestly, this might well be the missing piece in my puzzle. I’ve been over-rotating a lot lately and been trying to plant with more force to make up for it. But intentionally planting harder is making the throw less relaxed which isn’t great either. I’ll give this a go. Thanks for sharing!
If you've ever cracked a whip, you know you must go fast and then reverse the force to initiate the crack. This seems also true when bracing in any type of throw.
I've been doing this for almost a year and one thing I have found is that if I forget to go a bit low in my body throughout it's much harder to get this right.
Good question. I actually use my off arm to slow it slightly in my rotational form, but making everything on that side rigid helps control it, yes. You will naturally do it if you try this.
Great stuff, Blitz. Disc golf instruction needs to examine golf science as you are pointing out. They often say you cant swing faster than you can decelerate. Can’t wait to try this. Question - What’s that on your fingers?
Just learned this from OT, and immediately improved my throw. Still struggle to slow down that rotation, but the more I get there the more effortless the power will be.
This one in particular really breaks down at the course. I would add that (at least for myself) this particular drill / cue needs to be repped over and over again in a net so the muscle memory takes over or else it will never translate to the course.
