I've tried to simplify things for myself. All but one of my rods is a braid->copoly setup. For whatever reason, my knots SUCK with straight fluorocarbon line so I avoid it.
Last year I tried braid for the first time. Power Pro braid 20 pound test. Works very well on my casting, spinning combos. This year I tried Venom's Silk Braid 20 pound, this by far is the BEST line I've ever used...casts a freakin' mile with ease and very strong like Power Pro. Fishing little ponds, small rivers I use 10 pound Triline mono. I recently bought YO-ZURI Hybrid 10 pound test. Can this hybrid be used on a spinning reel?
Most Co-polymers are coated with Fluorocarbon, Yo-Zuri is not coated, it is actually co-extruded and thus it is co-polymer across the whole line. Yo-Zuri is awesome...and so is GAMMA polyflex
I've got a reel thats been spooled with the same braid I put on it 20 years ago and it still works fine. The spools down about 25% from trimming the end off from time to time as it got warn from structure and hard vegetation, but it still catches plenty even in heavily worked areas.
Mono is more abrasion resistant. Many tests have been done showing this. Oddly, not a single test, even by a fluoro manufacturer showing fluoro to be more abrasion resistant. Nothing but a claim.
Save your money, buy Mono! Mono and Flouro are indeed similar in stretch and abrasion resistance (lots of proof tests here on RU-vid). Line memory is the down side, but it tends to relax after a few casts. Flouro and braid just don't have enough benefit to justify the increased costs.
Copoly is more abrasion resistant than flouro (proven) and it also sinks but more slowly. They tell you flouro is more abrasion resistant so you’ll spend more money for it.
careful, braided lines will begin to loop if they have been sitting a long time, but within 2 or 3 casts the water will penetrate the braid and it will relax. ( It happens to my musky reels. the first trip out with my musky rods , I like to put a big lipped lure on and just let out 50 ft and travel 1min then reel it in. if your worried about trolling laws, keep a hookless lipped bait in the boat for this purpose.)
Fluoro is not more abrasion resistant than mono. Both fluoro and mono sink. Fluoro just sinks faster but mono does not float. Fluoro can stretch more than mono. Its all dependent on which brand and model of line. And I'll restate it, mono is more abrasion resistant.
You can get rid of the memory coils by spooling a bunch of line hook it to something and stretch it and hold it for about 10 seconds the memory will be gone
I do this on all my mono. Only thing is, it doesn’t stay like that for ever. If you let the line sit on the reel for even a couple of days that memory will come back and you have to restretch it. Just be careful of not re-stretching it too much. You will damage the line.
Power Pro Maxcuatro braid has good dia. For example, 20 lbs test comes with 0.007 inch = 0.19 mm but those new Maxcuatro lines sometimes come damaged and always need to be checked. Berkley is a liar. Their braid X5 with 20 lbs test line shows 0.006 inch = 0.17 mm but this line is thicker.
Good stuff! Now if they can come up with a fluorocarbon line that doesn't coil badly on spinning reels. I mean spool in one day and not fish for a month again and, the line not be coiled then. Any fluorocarbon line will work on spinning gear today if i spool it today. LOL
The floating mono myth. Mono sinks. It doesn’t float. That being said, it sinks more slowly than fluoro so claiming that it “floats” isn’t a mortal sin. Monofilament line is composed of nylon and has a specific gravity of about 1.15, which is higher than that of both water (1.00) and ocean saltwater (1.03). Having a higher specific gravity means that mono is denser than both. Mono therefore sinks in both fresh and salt water. Yes… when you put a piece of mono in a glass of water, below the surface of the water so as to break the surface tension, the mono will sink to the bottom of the glass. It will not “float” back to the top. Some braided lines also sink, but only because they have strands of denser materials woven into the normally floating polyethylene braid fibers. YGK SS 112 is a sinking 8-strand braided line that has a specific gravity of 1.12 (as hinted in its name). It sinks, owing to 4 of the 8 strands being composed of a dense ester. Sunline Almight is a faster sinking braid with a specific gravity of 1.48. Almight consists of four strands of normal polyethylene braid wrapped around a fifth dense central core strand, which makes the overall line sink.
🤔 is it worth the money for braid line. Just thinking about it I like changing out my line every trip to the water. Mt son was telling me that I will catch more fish but he doesn't show me any that he gets more fish then me. Monofilament Guy 😱🎣
Braid has it's advantages and disadvantages. The targeted species and environmental factors are what should be dictating the setup you're using. So, is braid worth it? That wholly depends on what you're doin' boss man. No one here can answer that question but you.
Sweet video Nathan . Very informative . I agree with everything but two small points . 1: I do throw both mono and braid for my top water bait except buzz baits . I throw them on Fluro for the abrasion resistants . I throw a buzz in some gnarly cover or up against dock posts , over bolders and sea walls . I never pause the bait so I never have to worry if it floats or not . 2: I've got a couple spoils of co-pol that are a hybrid of Mono and Nylon instead of Fluro coating (P-Line CXX) . Keep the video coming !!!
i'm having trouble with tying knots with flouro and copolymer i keep braking off with the uni knot i'm trying the palomar knot now but it kinks up the line when i sinch it down , what knots do you use for these lines ? i try to use braid on all my applications but i thought i'd try these other lines out for like swimbait and wacky rig some things my braid is just to much for
So just how did you arrive at the 78% statistic? You do a poll? Local, State, National? Or did you suck it out of your thumb, it is common knowledge that 98.766% of all statistic are made up on the spot. Apologies for the late response but you have no statistically factual data to support your postulations.
Tough as nails monofilament works great in every type of reel! Supple, limp, low memory. Great all around line for any situation 100% Berkley products.
Have you actually tested the stretch between different lines? I have and flo isn't much different than mono especially when used as a 10' leader, the problem I have with flo is shock strength. last year I sailed several chatterbait into the trees before I changed to Yozuri Hybrid. The flo knot(double pitzen) didn't break, the line snapped 6-8" from the knots.
My favorite line is the one that gives me the best chance to land the fish for the situation/bait I’m fishing. As a young angler I didn’t know any better and fished the wrong line in certain situations and it stung.
@@nathanquincefishing7122 right the rod, reel, line, and bait all come together to make it but I’ve been burned on some biggins using braid where I should’ve used fluro and vice versa.
Excellent primer on line properties. Only thing I disagreed with was using braid for topwater. But you elaborated on it later when discussing mono. Love your channel, Nathan.
Not really, Sun fade doesn’t mean that much, and most abrasion is near the end. I actually found a reel I had forgotten about, and the braid was still fine. It was a bit faded, but that also is only on the end maybe 50 yards. I unspooled it, and re spooled in on another reel. All the color was back, and no wear on the “fresh” side. Used that real all year this year.
@@johnarcher9480 yep, I pulled some of my dads fishing stuff that had been sitting in a humid shed for a decade. The mono on the baitcaster? completely trashed even after running under warm water, it was brittle and just coiled up. The braid? worked perfectly with no issue on a spinning rod. Swapped it from the spinning rod onto the baitcaster and it was night and day (this also flipped it around).
Love my braid, 8 strands or more, don't care manufacture. Mono works for anything else. Treble hooked topwater baits don't work well with braid because the line will loop around that front hook.
Good evening Mr. Nathan Quince Fishing, Thank you my Fishing Friend in describing and going into Very descpitive detail on the vareity of fishing lines! I am TOTALLY BLOWN AWAY! LOL! For years I have been aprehensive of using BRAIDED LINE do to it's course nature which damaged my guides on my rods! Thank you for DEBUNKING this with the NEWER IMPROVED BRAIDED LINES on the market. May God Bless you and your family. Sincerely, Mr. Carl J. Gwizdala. aka "Desperado."
Flourocarbon transmit vibration better than copoly or mono but copoly has less stretch. Some flouro lines have enormous stretch. Not all lines are equal.
Floro is not actually invisible to fish. Fish see light refraction differently than humans. The nUniversity of Washington did a study and proved that fish (bass) utilize their lateral lines to since objects more so than sight. So anglers need to worry about line diameter over refraction. Braid has the lowest line diameter so it’s harder for them to since and if you use moss green it’s harder for them to see vs black, yellow or any other colors. I still use a lower diameter mono leader due to its abbreviation resistance properties.
Fish are colour blind, they have no red green opsin, fluorocarbon has the same refractive light index as water. For the sea fishing we do, the hook up rate with 6 feet of fluorocarbon is 6 times that of direct to braid. And we use 10 to 15 lb braid, not 65lb
@@joedennehy386 The University of Washington did a study and proved that bass do not see light refraction the same way humans do and that line diameter is more important. Floro has the same redaction rate as water with our eyes. Not fish, since they see light refraction differently than humans. Facts are facts, you can’t really argue against them.
