This Character Holds the ENTIRE Star Trek Timeline Together... 

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24:44 - what's funny is that Jerry O'Connell, who voices Ransom, is married IRL to Rebecca Romanjn, who plays Una.

That whole thing about Una being offended that she might a 'pinup girl' is meta and hilarious because Rebecca Romjin is an actual pinup girl.

One could argue that it's actually "Shut Up Wesley!" who is holding things together.

Star trek canon can be summed up to a potential Q quote: Where one sees a thread, I see a tapestry, where one sees a tapestry, I see a thread it's all a matter of viewpoint regardless.

This video was DEFINITELY worth making! Thanks Tyler.

Considering all the time travel in Trek from TOS on, I'd say the nature of the Trek Timeline is "malleable."

I think Prodigy Season 2 gives us the ultimate out- "Wesley did it." haha

I must say it is we or us , the viewers of Star Trek that is holding the Star Trek Universe together. If we stop watching and reading Star Trek and making or watching RU-vid content about Star Trek than the universe falls apart. So I say it is us the fans that keep it together !

Both Majel Barrett and Rebecca Romijn have portrayed the character outstandingly. Beautiful, spectacularly skilled actresses. We couldn't have asked for better.

"Have to call my agent on Kamino."

I really like Number One, and Rebecca Romijn's performance is great, but I have mixed feelings on the episode Ad Astra per Aspera. They can't really analyze the nuances and real dangers of genetic enhancement because they've written the Illerians to be so directly representative of oppressed minorities. When DS9 did the Bashir genetic enhancement plot line, it was treated like the complex issue it actually is, and they had much more interesting things to say. I prefer when episodes connect some aspects of a Sci-Fi premise to historical/modern issues rather than make the entire premise an allegory (e.g. Measure of a Man vs The Outcast)

I am convinced that the "Pin Up Poster" conversation in Those Old Scientists was a nod to Rebecca Romijn being a Swimsuit Model. Anyhow, I just realized that Romijn was in the X-Men Movies, an IP that touch on similar themes to the Strange New Worlds episode Ad Astra per Aspera

Not only O'Brian who hates temporal shit, Janeway does also, gives her migraines.

Endless numbers of universes and timelines coexist simultanously, never forget this! Great video! Thank you!

In my mind, Star Trek exists in an almost floating timeline where minor things are subject to change as every temporal incursion does manage to alter the timeline, if even in a minor way, but every time it’s set back to the so-called status quo there’s certain events that are maintained as having taken place, but might alter in some aspect to some degree.

Number One is one of my favorite characters next to Captain Pike. Plus, I need to read these Star Trek comics.

after long attempts to connect all series and films into one timeline, I realized that it is simply impossible and this is what I came to: timeline 1 - TOS, TAS, STC timeline 2 - TNG, TMP, WOK, SFS, TVH, TFF, TUC timeline 3 - DS9, VOY, GEN, FC, NS, NEM timeline 4 - DIS, SNW, PIC timeline ? - ENT, LD, PRO many events are the same but there are significant differences that put them in different universes, also each timeline has its own mirror universe

It might also be possible the Illyrians were people who are colonists from the planet El-Auria. Making her like Guinan holding the time lines in place. Well the El-Aurian did travel so why not?

A lot of SNW is adapted from Orville. Their 1st season had a lot of the same base plots as Or ille S3 that same year. Like DS9 was borrowing from the 5 year outline of B5 that Paramount had studied for 6 months before "passing" on B5. Orville is The Kelley Show. She is the fixed point in time character that spawns everything in the show.

My opinion of the mess of the Trek timeline is that laziness is a primary reason for it. In the TOS days they just pulled a year out of the air, because they didn't think it would matter, spawning multiple retcons. Archer and crew, along with the Temporal Civil War should have been treated as a bigger secret, so that it would make sense when TOS though time travel was impossible. The Gorn in Strange New Worlds should have been named something different, but one of the show runners just couldn't leave the guy in the rubber suit that Kirk fought alone. It wouldn't have been that hard for Kirk in Strange New Worlds to have not been read in about time travel.

I find it interesting that Phlox's people practice genetic engineering, but we don't see them in series set later in the timeline.

With all the agents that influence our view of the star trek universe i wouldnt be surprised if some of the series exist in there own timeline. But we know at least some of them exist in the same timeline with references that are made like with Lower Decks mentioning the Xindi war

Kovacs is Daniels, remember?

Maybe you cover this and Im going to sound silly commenting half way through: but Prodigy season 2 also flatly states that certain events can be moved around a bit, but HAVE to happen to maintain the timelines. Which maps with the Khan retcon in SNW perfectly.

I feel that with Una's trial it adds to and also holds it together in another way. In DS9 O'brien says to Bashir that there hasn't been a case like him in over a hundred years. I'm starting to think he was referring to Una also being genetically engineered.

Far be it from me to contest the notion that Rebecca Romijn is the center of our universe.

For awhile now I've felt that it isn't Modern Trek that broke the timeline, it's Berman Trek. which makes TOS the odd duck, not DIS/SNW/etc. I hadn't thought to frame it all around Una, though. clever!

Their depiction of the Gorn was awesome. Much better than a guy in a rubber suit, they had to change it. Considering they are supposed to be a terrifying enemy i think they got the look just right.

In the words of William Shatner,” It’s just a TV show!” It’s ok though, I’m a Trekie too. Thanks for the video!

I haven't seen this spinoff and I don't know most of the characters or the plot, but I see an OR upload I click and like automatically. It is the way of things.

Nice video man! With the exception of Lower Decks, I haven't watched much newer Trek. I like staying updated without having to put in the time, so thanks! Also, getting mighty close to 80K there fella. I hope more sponsors take notice!

This was a lot of fun! The tangents are enjoyable, not distracting. And you do tie it all together at the end.

My particular favorite theory to explain the timeline issues is partially based on the idea that the Eugenics Wars are a covert war happening in some kind of augment-led Illuminati factional infighting, and partially based on Pike’s monologue at the end of the SNW pilot: if it started as the second American civil war, that likely involved some kind of conspiratorial thinking. What if that conspiratorial thinking was a) focused on augments instead of Q-anon and b) actually right? Then Pike’s description of a blurring from the second American civil war into the Eugenics Wars into WWIII is a sort of unveiling of a veiled conflict. If the La’an/Kirk adventure in Toronto is its own little loop, rather than the prime timeline, that would take care of that. But also, the Trek timeline isn’t the real world timeline, and I’m okay with Khan being 12 years old in the 2020s *and* the Botany Bay launching in 1996 the same way I’m okay with the Trill getting spots and losing their forehead ridges and having distinct merged personalities rather than the host subsuming into the symbiont’s.

I had never really thought about the time line of Star Trek. This video was very informative and entertaining! Thank You!

Absolutely epic video. Super research and throws out some great thoughts. I’d never even thought of the 4 things. Absolutely brilliant deconstruct. Thank you so much! ❤

thanks for this video it clears up alot of the issues i have with new startreck and binds things together properly again thank you you changed my entire view of this franchies

I've just watched a mid-podcast ad from Apple that's about 10 minutes long. and it's so damned funny. A group of white collar employees are sent to Thailand to do business and it becomes an American nightmare that lasts for days on end. I have never seen an ad that was so long and so funny. Kudos, Apple.

To be fair, Rebecca Romijn is doing a great job as Number One, hence the interest in the character

You make all the videos about Star Trek you want, and I will watch them.

Also take in account Star Trek IV The Voyage Home where Kirk and crew go back in time to save a Humpback whale. Scotty giving the formula for the plastic piece that the used to assemble the tank to the hold the whales. That event also causes a ripple in the timeline as well when they returned

Here's something I noticed yesterday rewatching one of my old favorites and my mind remains blown: In Season One Episode 19 of Fringe, Peter and Olivia are interviewing a conspiracy theorist who, once convinced to talk goes on to describe fairly accurately the major mystery that the FBI team is just now beginning to become aware of - that Bell is trying to develop "super soldiers" like Khan to "protect us" - but then this happens- Peter says: "Khan? As in Wrath of"? Guy: "exactly" Peter asks "Protect us from who?" and the guy says "Romulans. Renegade Romulans from the future. Here to change the timeline" Then he goes on to claim to be Spock. I am compelled to assume that the writer of "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow" had this specific scene in mind while writing that episode. Otherwise the coincidence is too epic to be believed.

The only constant in the temporal multiverse is change. There is no prime timeline. There are timelines in which those who observe their own timeline(s) and the amorphic nature of them, would want to improve their timelines and also protect them from any future adverse influence. What they fail to understand is that you can't observe timelines without affecting them. Just by going back in time, you change the timeline. It's not like everything that happens is meant to have happened, or that there's one static timeline and affecting that timeline breaks everything. TOS happened when it did. TNG did too. All the shows we've observed happened. I mean, this is all fiction so what difference does it make anyway, but when you're messing with temporal physics, everything that happened did happen, is happening and will happen, but they may not all sync with each other because we're not talking about one static timeline. We are witnessing bits and pieces of multiple timelines. They not only don't have to make sense in a singular static linear way, they really shouldn't! Frankly, every camera shot we examine inside each episode, could all be from different alternate temporal realities that just happen to look so much alike that we can't see a difference! The ST:The Original Series we got in the 1960s did happen, is happening, and will always have happened. However, temporal physics is so complicated, that by the time Star Trek Strange New Worlds syncs up with Pike's fate and Kirk's takeover of The Enterprise, we could examine episodes of Star Trek: Those Old Scientists! We could watch "the original Star Trek" in a whole new way! Perhaps we could just recreate the original scripts from the 1960s, or use them as templates to create similar but newly fashioned versions of the originals, or we could completely abandon the original series and start from scratch! Maybe The Corbonite Manuever happened. Maybe it didn't! Maybe it kinda happened but in a different way! Where we're going, there are no roads!

I'm always so happy to watch your videos on star trek lore. You don't engage with the reactionary rage bait besides joke about it. And it's always interesting and well compiled.

This was a great episode! Thank you Tyler.

Absolutely Superb Parsing (as per usual). Always love your presentations.😎👍🏾

As usual your videos are insightful, and so well presented. As far a theory, just figured SNW was an alternate reality adjacent to the TOS reality. Bit one thing is for sure ORANGE RIVER is the best Star Trek/SciFi youtube channel in all realities. I would live to see a scene where a crew member aboard the Enterprise is watching ancient videos of your you tube channel....

That's why I always say that it's better to see Star Trek as a series of generations rather than as a whole single thing. Gen 1 is TOS to TMP. Gen 2 is TWOK to ENT. Gen 3 is 09 to now. The Gens are broadly in continuity with each other but details vary

I never DC Fontana's book, but in The Cage it was implied Number One was a human.

I think this video was well worth it. I look at the Star Trek timeline as described in classic Doctor Who, there are temporal nexus points that have to happen and they have to be big to make changes in the timeline, like throwing a large rock into a river may affect the flow of a river but not its overall path (Khan's birth being moved) whereas a boulder that is big enough to alter the river bank creates a new flow (Daniel's timeline and the Kelvin Timeline). Daniel's timeline occurred as the Spherebuilders were building dams in the time flow. The Kelvin timeline theory put forward also has some changes occurring well before Narada incursion and battle with the USS Kelvin either through the initial red matter trip "bleeding" deep into The Big Bang or the second red matter incident that destroyed the Narada actually sent parts back into The Big Bang, both could have changed early fundamental properties of the universe and creating branching timelines(one explanation for the warp plasma color change).

Another great video!

To quote my favourite Vulcan, 'Fascinating...' Having said that, much angst could be prevented by quotes from two other sci-fi realities: Firstly, it's all 'wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff', and secondly, it's a 'sort of general mish-mash'... Which, like a few coats of paint, covers a multitude of 'tins'(or sins)... I shall now stop with the obscure references... 🤪

Star Trek's irrational hatred of genetic engineering is really crazy.

Great episode, you share many of my observations and thoughts, and it was good to hear them enumerated clearly with some choice clips as aids in referencing your points.🖖🏽LLAP

I prefect that at some point a Star Trek show will have some major history changing event that allows all shows afterwords to pick and choose what part of canon they want and don't want. As we in the real world go further and further into the future everything that has been said about the 21century will be more and more wrong.

Great lore video, thanks!!

Grammar (and pauses) save lives (and meaning). She really would be an incredible character if she was born "at the age of about 5 or 6." 3:25

I think there should be maybe a mini-series or one off film that just covers the temporal prime directive told from the perspective of the "time cops". The concept is that the time line has become so murky that even they can not correct all the paradoxes being created. Maybe built around the parable of the starfish: you can't save everyone but you save who you can. Could be an interesting story.

this is why I subscribed to this channel. Ya baby!!

My theory (as we saw her absorb radiation to save Y'ann in S1) is that she will use her power to help save Pike from his fate. That way he can still be in right place at the right time but live without the horrific burns

Thanks for the video. I have had thoughts on the Khan/Eugenics War timeline stuff for a long time, since growing up through the 80s and 90s and wondering how or even if they would ever deal with that. Also wish I could find out what Gene Rodenberry's thoughts were at the time he introduced this in the late 60s.

That was great. I feel like Kirk, talking to Spock, in Subspace Rhapsody. I almost understood what you said.

I thought you did a very good job, explaining it all. Of all the series after Enterprise I think the current one is the best, thanks!

Re 24:20 or so: Given that characters can be shielded from _some_ changes to a timeline, and Daniels by the nature of his mission will have experienced an excessive amount of time travel, I think it's fair to say that his person history does not match any one Universal timeline; rather, it's a patchwork of his original timeline and parts of changes that he experienced on his missions, plus changes that occurred due to time-travel that didn't involve him might not affect his personal timeline as it affects "global" time, if he wasn't "home" when it occurred and the change would affect his time-traveling ability. So, his personal timeline is actually paradoxical and can't be referenced to a single global timeline -- it requires multiple histories.

"We don't have the time to argue about time! " 🤣. I agree the aligory has always been the most important thing about Trek. I'm also one of those Cannon stickler though. I like a consistent through line, that being said...I gave up trying to figure out the whole thing. It gives me a headache. 😂. 🖖😁🤘🇨🇦🍻

This was a very meaningful video!

When Space Seed was written in 1967, the 90s felt like the far future to them. And they had absolutely no idea that anyone would be talking about Start Trek and Space Seed 60+ years later. Due to Real Life some things need to be changed, like it or not. I'm perfectly content to subscribe to the sliding timeline key-events stuff. It's as good an in-universe explanation as any. That goes for the tech and look as well. I can enjoy the SNW Enterprise set without having a seizure over the bridge not being plywood, pile carpet, and gaffer's tape with control panel covers of wire-mesh from the hardware store. It's the feel it evokes that counts. The lines and contours of the bridge, the corridors, etc. follow classic TOS Federation architecture. And the things they DO keep are the important things. The hope the Federation presents, even though it still stumbles at times. The intelligence and camaraderie of the crew. The drive to learn and explore. To empathize and help. To try to be better. THAT is Star Trek. Everything above is what Abrams movies do NOT do, BTW. I would posit that the so-called Kelvin "Timeline" is actually a separate Universe entirely, like the Mirror Universe. ((instead of Spock's beard, the Enterprise bridge looks like an Apple Store)) Nero's ship and Spock Prime didn't just travel in time they went to a completely different universe. There are major differences between the Kelvin and the Prime that were there BEFORE Nero and Spock's incursion. Now EVERYBODY'S happy. Right? Right??? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

No. 1 BEST NUMBER ONR IN STARTREK

My theory is that every time travel event in all of Star Trek has ripple effects which explain the constant retcons.

This was entertaining and interesting 🤔. Thank you .

Re: "Why don't the timecops set things right?!" Some things are fixed points in time (including various acts of time travel). Things that *have* to happen so the status quo the timecops enforce can happen. We see proof of this going all the way back to TOS, (see: City on the Edge of Forever, Tomorrow is Yesterday, Assignment: Earth, etc.)

Thanks! Good cannon history lesson. Per aspera ad astra!

Those ship skins do look pretty dope though.

I totally misheard "...born, at the age of 5 or 6” as "born *at* the age of 5 or 6", and i was like "sure, why couldn't a genetically engineered Illyrian be born that advanced?" 😅

24:24 I mean I still enjoyed the video. It was just a thought experiment playing out and I’m happy you didn’t do what most people on RU-vid do, which is act as if their word is the law which should be respected and devoutly believed in. You do a good job of attempting to interpret disparate thoughts into a unified concept while still acknowledging that it’s a bunch of unrelated narratives being forced into a shared continuity. Good on you and keep it up. There are definitely a ton of other trek-tubers out there that would’ve framed this as a “this is the lost trek timeline the woke left destroyed” or “the timeline they want you to forget” or something else. Good on you for not succumbing to such things. You always get my views and engagement for producing well thought out and well structured content.

#1 is one of my favs. Both of them. Ad Astra and IDIC. This was a good vid.

🤔 Nicely thought out. An enjoyable watch. Thanks!

There is no other character in Star Trek history that pushe me more than Una to enlist myself in starfleet. Ad Astra per aspera !

i like Strange New Worlds because of the episodic nature. There is no season long story arc

Who knew Rebecca was the key to everything lol.

Yay got a cameo from Mariner ❤

I liked it, do more stories to tie this universe together.

I confess when I went down the rabbit hole in my darkest hopless thoughts ...all writers who screwed up the timeline should have been exiled with Khan prior to the movie. I found some peace just thinking every franchise of ST was its own reality.. but finally decided its a multiverse and we could be hearing the story from any one of them.. I am amazed that you not only have tried to understand and fix(?) the Timeline... your understanding of it astounds me but my understanding is at a Kindergarten level.. so thats probably not much of a complement . Remember like all tough jobs... Somebody has to do it. ! I thank you for your service. Number One is a wonderful Character . I love the cast and have been hoping for Pike's adventures ever since I saw the first few episodes of the original ST when it came out. . I prefer the New casts to have a deeper connection to the original characters .. .... if the reboots don't .. why reintroduce them.? .. Make new Characters.

Future's End was an alternate timeline where a tech company arose supplying humanity with futuristic tech resulting in humans not to rely on genetics. They relied on the tech instead.

Since timelines can be changed, easily, and once changed are a fixed change, because the change is in the past, species that are physically energy, predominantly, they are outside the timelines control. Just a thought…

My head canon has always been that TOS and the TOS movies were one continuity, First Contact caused the creation of a new timeline that includes all of the other shows and movies, save the Kelvin stuff. But I think with the recent revelations from SNW, we have 4 timelines TOS, TAS & TOS movies ENT, TNG, TNG Movies, DS9 & VOY Kelvin Movies DISCO, SMW, LD, Prodigy, Academy & Section 31

I liked your video. I like SNW. Time Travel gives everybody headaches. That's why Steven Hawkings thinks it's impossible, all of Creation doesn't want a headache they just don't make Tylenol that big.

Cant wait for the new season

i have been wondering at what point TOS would really be seen as a pocket universe or just an actual dramatization of the mission logs as told by Kirk. ( i.e. TOS events don't trump the more integrated trek that follows.)

I just keep coming back to one word.......beautiful

So much reaserch to make a video just bc Star Trek writers doesn't bother to keep continuity 😂

NGL I tend to headcanon that the alternate timeline was actually created by the First Contact movie if not even earlier, including all of Enterprise because of the way the Borg Sphere debris was found in Enterprise and then it had that huge time travel insanity plot. By the possibly earlier bit I mean it might include some other time travel events that theoretically influenced the past actually impacting this new alternate timeline instead of the original timeline, I'm on the fence about that stuff (like Voyage Home changes to the past before they returned to their own timeline or that DS9 episode where Quark and co were the Roswell aliens).

I think we all know this is building to a Crisis on Infinite Tendis crossover epic. Well, played, RTD...😮

This was certainly interesting, but even after watching the conclusion part several times, your answer to "what makes Una Chin-Riley so important to all this?" still just seems to basically be "because she's there".

In Angel, the Buffy The Vampire Slayer spinoff, the law firm Wolfram and Hart represents an engineering firm that later manufactures the warp drive motors based off the Cochrane model. That law firm's owners, a trans realities "partnership" were chess playing for multiuniversal control, using "old gods" like pieces. One of them was the "Goddess" Illyria, who was placed into the human form of Winnifred Burkle, and since a human body isn't built to contain such an energetic, began to warp time until Wesley uaed a power shu ting device to stabilize her form. I wonder if that shunted part got situated wayba k in time and space to find a peoples that eventually took on themselves her name as theirs.

Interesting, well though out, and well made video. Una is one of my favorite characters. Quick question since I missed most all of Enterprise when it originally aired. Was Procyon pronounced in the series Enterprise like pro-SYE-on, as you did in this video? The only way I've ever heard it pronounced during decades of amateur astronomy and working in science museums is PRO-see-on. Just wondering, not judging.

Yes, it was worth it! keep it coming

great episode, Tyler! And yes, Mickey Mouse WILL pay!

Good vid bro.

Great video