This Circular Wing Design Actually Existed, But Was It Good?

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Welcome to another episode of Trailmakers! Today I am attempting to recreate the Lee-Richards Annular Monoplane. An annular wing is a circular-shaped wing. Supposedly this plane was easy to control and pleasant to fly. But the stories seem to have some conflicting information
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@technicbuilder6410 Год назад

6 months and 9 days of asking ScrapMan for building an ekranoplan.

@exphyy Год назад

saw you long ago, respect

@ImUnkown482 Год назад

I recommend going to his discord

@darthdragon7492 Год назад

Nice

@Alpha-omega-beginning-and-end Год назад

Over a year of asking/begging him to upload his designs to steam Get on my level

@edawris Год назад

@@Alpha-omega-beginning-and-end ong

@MechaNexus Год назад

I'd like to see you add an additional step to the process after a successful flight: modernizing it. Give it dragon thrusters and maybe do some sort of gauntlet run of sorts

@ivyisle Год назад

That's a really good idea

@boxed_in4357 Год назад

I’ve actually used the tail fins both as pitch and roll a lot, usually for faster planes because it isn’t so sensitive so I don’t spin out of control and it makes me go faster (less drag).

@ajaxgamr4458 Год назад

What if you did this but with your friends? (You will all get the same image. They would all be war based.) and then fought for multiplayer Monday? Would be fun to see the many different approaches you and your friends take.

@notonlyhuman6073 Год назад

This build performed WAY better than I thought it would. lol

@Milamberinx Год назад

This is really like an early delta wing design. Amazing that someone thought of it so early.

@breadontreads Год назад

Would love to see a series like this on Stormworks.

@boxthe...idontknow7695 Год назад

Me too! i love stormworks (almost 3k hours) and want to see it get the attention it deserves!

@Finat0 Год назад

Im pretty sure he has already played Stormworks at one point so he should own the game

@diamondapocalypse5019 Год назад

@@boxthe...idontknow7695 as a factorio player, that is pathetic

@boxthe...idontknow7695 Год назад

@@diamondapocalypse5019 oh ok

@roneitback Год назад

At this point im tryna figure out what people making early planes were thinking

@UrticantOdin Год назад

They had crack as a core element of cough medicine, so that might have influenced people

@biohazard_the_potato_muncher Год назад

tube with engine and flat things fly trust me im a veterinarian some guy with a phd on the 1900's.

@WhitzWolf92 Год назад

Literally anything and everything they thought might work, since the "obvious" solutions we have now hadn't been found yet.

@SoMuchFacepalm Год назад

I'm more interested in what they were drinking. This was before most road rules as we understand them, so they could have been sloshed or high while flying. It would explain all the crashes of an 'easy to fly' aircraft.

@biohazard_the_potato_muncher Год назад

@@SoMuchFacepalm I readed somewhere that it wasn't unusual for the pilots to drink whisky before flying to calm down

@xCHUNKx Год назад

I've actually built a circular wing plane and it's incredibly agile, I'd love to see what you think Scrapman.

@anonimaus1618 Год назад

The thrusters need to be flipped upside down as that should help reduce its tendency to automatically nose down, by placing the directional thrust lower in comparison to CoM. The controlling elevators can also be shortened just a little to significantly help with that nosing down effect as this moves the Center of Lift forwards. While adding weight can eventually produce similar results, it has the side effect of decreased overall power and tends to create that teeter totter effect by creating a larger CoM to be balanced by the CoL. I know that this particular project is over but just thought this info might be helpful for any future projects you might create. Keep up the great work!

@darkprime6815 Год назад

You should totally start a series of taking real world plane and vehicle designs no longer in use and testing them out and modifying them to show what a perfected version could've looked like.

@GummieI Год назад

6:05 starting out good, with a crash, very historical :)

@albinomegamind7286 Год назад

Love the videos man keep them coming! Especially how you test new ideas people have.

@brettmacaulay397 Год назад

I’d love to see you give the other guys your strange planes to fly and see their reactions

@Ze_Techno Год назад

I'm so happy you finally continued this series!

@dorbacal Год назад

3:30 "all of them had a pleasant time crashing the plane" 😂😂

@duodecaquark3186 Год назад

Elevators are for pitch. Ailerons are for roll. The article said the elevators were used for roll, which means that what you did is correct, and those control surfaces are called elevons (elevator/aileron conjoined).

@barefootalien Год назад

You should try making planes with trim. It's really easy to do... just double your control mechanism, whether a steering hinge or rotating servo, and put one of them on very slow (0.05 speed) and 10-15° of pitch, with Hold Position, on a separate keybind. So fuselage -> steering hinge (trim) -> steering hinge (main pitch) -> control surface. With Airborne parts it's even easier, as you can just add a second elevator piece ahead or below the main elevator. The trim elevators don't have to be as big in that case. The benefit for that, aside from far greater stability (it'll be quite the hack for your glider competitions!), and not having to pull back on the stick all the time just to stay level, is also that it makes your pitch control symmetrical. If you think of a trimless elevator, it's having to pull up a little just to maintain level flight, so it's kind of "using up" some of its total pitch reserve. With the trim hinges/servos, the trim system will take up that pitch-up to get neutral pitch, so you then have 100% of your main pitch available for pitching up. It's also insanely useful on subs. I've been trying to work out a way to do an auto-rudder, but... the programming/logic in this game is _suuuper_ simplistic and I don't think it works, because you can't actually pass an angle or compass output... just a binary comparator result. Honestly, if I could get a game that's basically From the Depths' building and programming and weapons, with Trailmaker's physics, it would be _glorious!_ If you're not familiar, FtD is an incredible voxel builder where you can make enormous warships, subs, tanks, planes, hovercraft, and even space vehicles, which you can control yourself, or program AI to control (or both). Its downfall is that its physics is just about the worst I've ever seen in a video game, especially at the water/air interface. Which, for a game that's ostensibly mostly about _ships,_ is kind of, uh...

@moroblizniak4457 Год назад

Pro tip: If you wanna cut on your wings lift, you can add blocks on top or under the wings, it can be armor or connector block, becouse wings need one block space to work properley so you can really fine tune your lift distribution with simple connectors or armor pieces.

@Relemsis Год назад

finally another dang trailmakers video and it's a historical creation video one of the best kinds of videos let's go

@TK_Urpo Год назад

this could be so cool to see in main assembly btw

@jan_harald Год назад

damn, this would be great to revive as a real design also I had an interesting thought, lol, kinda mix of a helicopter and plane! like, you could have two discs rotating opposite directions, around the cockpit, like helicopter blades, but ALSO have them act as annular wings, with the thrust being more forward, like a plane... it sounds like the best of both worlds, and looking even more like a flying saucer!

@Brody3561 Год назад

With these videos you should do like a movie remake style of some of the stories with the creations. Like when it says how it flew smoothly you can be narrating that and than like 2 seconds later say "and than it crashed into a lake" and reanact that in the background

@tarevamarvin Год назад

WOW, awesome, i loved how the wings were formed in a circle

@Xmar4 Год назад

oh that was really fun to watch and such a cool plane :)

@conorstewart2214 Год назад

You should use a controller for complex builds like this, having analogue control of some of it is very good and makes it much easier to control. With the elevons (pitch and roll control) you could have either set the weight in the logic to 0.5 but that would limit the total control, or with a controller you could use an analogue axis which would allow both to control the elevons different amounts. It would also help you correct for certain problems like it nosediving, with a keyboard the elevons are either up or down, but with a controller you could hold it at like 30% up to compensate or something like that. These sort of games benefit massively from analogue control with something like controllers, that is one of the reasons I found Main Assembly unplayable, the terrible controller support and not allowing you to remap certain controls. If you look at a lot of real vehicles or machinery, a lot of it has analogue control, which is very important to make it controllable and functional, using a keyboard is a huge restriction since it is digital.

@rlgames3436 Год назад

You always find the best content opportunities

@shotintel Год назад

Did note from the final design in the pic that from the lateral view the wing did not seem to be exactly horizontal and flat. Seemed to angle and curve down a little to the aft. Wonder if they were creating a little bit of a lifting surface from the overall wing's surface area, not just using the lifting effect from the wing's normal shape.

@BENBOI_1 Год назад

Scrapman, if some of your beautiful creation disappears then you can backspace/whatever’s button you have to return to the checkpoint. Nice video btw!!!!

@michaelaustin1789 Год назад

you could do the pitch and roll way easier with two servos stacked on top of each other. love the vids, keep it up.

@AsPlayBox Год назад

This aircraft feels like it will fit to other delta wing aircrafts because of the wing placement and the controls

@ZirnithTirngate135 Год назад

"look at that. Look at that, progress." 12:19 the amount of sarcasm in that sentence XD

@DantheGif Год назад

Idea for the Multiplayer Monday. Each of you build an historic "experimental" craft without consulting your pick, research, or build design, and race some course or complete some challenge. See which historic design handles the task the best

@anonymouscoward7559 Год назад

Nice build. Love that old medical device colour.

@davisandthebagels1634 Год назад

This was a very pleasant video, thanks Scrapman

@kosmickitten_au4550 Год назад

the annular monoplane is so cool!

@danielpalecek4090 Год назад

8:00 you can do this with 1 logic gate that controls both sides. some controls will be in the servos and some in the logic gate.

@marceldressler7278 Год назад

Hey dear Scrapman :) build trick for u, u can use a single XOR Gate to controll pitch and roll on twice rotors or hinges its better because less logic and block space...have a good day :) and love ur vids

@Helix142 Год назад

ngl a series like this but were you do this type of stuff in Instruments of destruction would be pretty cool.

@julianstreng8050 Год назад

Very nice Video! Maybe you can try to build the Bartini Stall-6?

@isaacrigby Год назад

You should do a video on your favourite creations you have made

@WhitzWolf92 Год назад

I wonder: would reversing the back half of the wings, so the leading edges are on the inside, help at all?

@btw_ole7932 Год назад

Hey I would love to see a mig 23 bild by you... it has an interesting swept-wing design and also only tail control when in supersonic mode

@jellynightthenight8796 Год назад

5:07 There should be a TRAILMAKERS Multiplayer Monday where a two seater plane in controlled by two people, both of them controlling diffirent parts of the plane.

@josephdabunny Год назад

you should make a series were you would pick something like this and build it but in different games then compare them... so you could have done this one in main assembly and scrap mechanic aswel then compared flight and style... I think it would be a cool series.

@LuxorVan Год назад

Some funny planes, where I grew up there was a podiatrist that created the Arup S-1 aka "flying heel" which Boeing basically copied with their B-390 and if you want a few more to look at try the Fauvel AV-10, Chyeranovskii BICh-7 or Vought XF5U.

@andreyemelyan5267 Год назад

Hey, ScrapMan, you probably should do a wing experiment videos to better understand the calculations of aerodynamics, like when you did the video of wedge experiments in scrap mechanic

@harlyquin Год назад

The Hughes XH-17 skycrane looks like it could be an interesting build

@alexandercampbell4380 Год назад

The nose dive would also be caused by thrust. Your mini thrusters apply the thrust above the centerline if the craft and create a tip, and there was nothing to right that. If you alternate their placement so one pair is engine up another engine down that would help. Written right after tha paint scheme

@The_Lunar_Wolvez Год назад

I recently got trailmakers, and I'm currently working on building you a ScrapTruck!!

@crazimimi Год назад

This series should be called “making impractical designs practical”

@BoredPenguin539 Год назад

Finally more Trailmakers vids

@rotarydriver2268 Год назад

I would love to see you build the Junkers Ju 52.

@thedesktopterrarian6020 Год назад

In between the gaps on the wings you could have put anchor pins to hold them together

@GoshkaPolska Год назад

The front wings were angled up (the front was mounted higher than the rear) this was probably why you were having the issue with Pitching down and not pitching up like the real one and the wings were in a slight V/Gull wing shape configurataion

@The_Kin_Of_All_Titans Год назад

Trailmakers needs some sort of flex beam like instruments of destruction and maybe a cable thing too.

@trevorgray4697 Год назад

I think in that era of flight pretty much every plane crashed fairly regularly. Being "pleasant to fly" and still crashing just means it was a good design as the opposite would be "unpleasant to fly" and then crashing, which would probably also resulted in some pilot deaths.

@moroblizniak4457 Год назад

4:29 Remember lads, If you aren't convinced that one proppeler gonna be enough... it wont be enough.

@ramenecho3872 Год назад

Hi, I love your vids

@roomrunner07 Год назад

2:28 "Fortunately, England survived." "grunts in German"

@haggbart0668 Год назад

realy nice plane! :D but on your mext plane use stering hinge for alerons, and its esier to make it look good by just having it 3 blocks wide and u can glich blocks in to other blocks 👍

@pattemplayz Год назад

I have a suggestion for the survival words u do and fans make the stuff underwater survival like with the fant mod

@DanielleWhite Год назад

The accidental hinge movement gave me an idea: recreate a variable-sweep wing aircraft.

@drittzthedarktuber4327 Год назад

That's actually pretty easy to do in trailmakers

@bringyourbabytothebbq830 Год назад

I want more scrapman history lessons i loved this one

@demondaviee1005 Год назад

Looks awesome, the seat placement was a little bit off tho

@Zequax Год назад

you should try make more of these in that other game where you can freely change the shape of stuff and yes i gorgot the name of it but its a game played some years back

@TotallyNotAFox Год назад

Hey, if you like planes that are circle shaped you could try to build a "Sack AS-6". Or how about helicopters like the Fi-282 or FA 223?

@michaelelmore1678 Год назад

I fond it interesting that this plane was build only a year after the Wright Brothers took flight.

@Husker-oossa Год назад

For adding pitch and roll to the ailerons add pitch to then then u only need 1 logic gate and connect them all to it for roll

@okaberintaro2411 Год назад

The front seat in the original is placed further to the rear, behind the landing gear. Could help with the balancing maybe.

@TBechs Год назад

I love this series

@fruitlooponthefloor3528 Год назад

YOU SHOULD DO MORE TRAILMAKERS

@GamezAlotYT Год назад

"are you noticing a bit of a pattern right now?" ah yes a perfectly good meme format

@felix________________ Год назад

for medium propellers, use oars on a helicopter servo

@TheGodOfLag Год назад

Another trail makers vid yessss

@liamthomas1115 Год назад

Yooo I just broke my arm and u are the only one I’ve been watching soo far😅

@aidanmcquaid9306 Год назад

What I think would be a really cool racing plane for trail makers is the c.561 Caudron

@gamerkid4566-mb9gy 3 месяца назад

This is overall the most unique plane in that museum but for trailmakers this is normal cause some are physically impossible to fly in real life

@name-uh5ee Год назад

So it's nice to fly, but it crashes a lot, but you have a really good chance of surviving, probably because you're surrounded on all sides by stuff to cushion your fall

@Himalayan_cat2023 Год назад

He finally posted a trailmakers video!!!

@Jetspeed_10 Год назад

The maneuver you perform whe trying to roll is called a Post Stall Maneuver(PSM)

@Hadeks_Marow Год назад

I feel like this design would make more sense with WESD controls rather than using awkward logic. WS is up and down for the left elevator. E and D is up and down for the right elevator. 2 and 3 would be yaw.

@timbomb374 Год назад

Dunno how well it worked but it does look pretty cool.

@siis20052000 Год назад

i wonder if the landing gear being so close to the front caused issues with landing ending up in crashes

@kikikocher1096 Год назад

maybe you could start using the historical models as the preview image so that you don't immediately see what the vehicle looks like in the end😊

@polarknight5376 Год назад

Could you try making a giant Frisbee thrower or giant playing card thrower?

@keeshommels2083 Год назад

Could you try to make the xb70 with the tips that can fold down? Ps I love your videos so much

@Arthur_Putey Год назад

Imho, most of the lift was really cancelling itself and your only lifting force was provided by the tail. That's why it was "front heavy".

@animalmango6499 Год назад

You only needed 2 logic gates. The controls on the part itself can be used in addition to logic.

@mr.wassell7885 Год назад

From the description of the third plane, it seems that Lee, the guy funding the project, wanted to fly it. I doubt he had the aviation experience to successfully pilot a test plane, so he's probably the biggest reason that version crashed

@MrDuck699 Год назад

YEAH MORE TRAILMAKERS!!

@westiwwo3763 Год назад

Can you do one of those his videos in main assembly so you can make a more accurate replica

@lukehunterkennedy4941 Год назад

I love your vids pliss make more

@dipjolbajracharya7647 Год назад

Please more trailmaker

@short0811 Год назад

Completely agree about a medium and large propeller in Trailmakers!

@stevepittman3770 Год назад

I've been wanting a larger propeller in TM practically since the day it came out. I mostly build planes and I like prop planes, so I either have to build them tiny (which I do like) or add thrusters or use heli blades or whatever for larger projects.

@short0811 Год назад

@@stevepittman3770 Completely agree, Steve! I have recently started building smaller prop planes (given the size of the prop) and would love to build larger ones in the future. Cheers!

@stevepittman3770 Год назад

@@short0811 Yeah, I do quite enjoy building micro-planes, especially very maneuverable ones. But I would like to build larger stuff with reasonable propellers too.

@steveg4jan Год назад

Video idea: make an annular wing fighter jet

@somedudenamedjuno1301 Год назад

Commented this months ago when you did the coleoptere plane thing.

@ThatDomGuy Год назад

I would have just flipped the rear wings upside down, giving a downward force and keeping the front up:)

@niil047 Год назад

i would say that this would have been alot easier to make in main assembly

@KikoBean Год назад

Comfortable to fly doesn't necessarily mean it's hard to crash. The a380 is supposedly a comfortable plane to fly but can still be pretty easily crashed with a few inputs