This Faked Minecraft Speedrun Is Controversial... 

badas vs abyss was the funniest shit ever

Wish I could've seen it

@@btcmr1235 I was the dude playing guitar while they were running lol

@@MysteriumFX Can confirm you were playing the guitar as we were running

@@TheAbyssUpdate man i dont see you around javacord much anymore, you must feel great about this tho lol

I'm honestly wondering if that was deliberate. There's no way on god's green earth that as a verifier himself, Feinberg wouldn't have made that point to TWT. Either they left it out due to an oversight and he just didn't care enough to tell them to put it back in, or he suggested they not say so. My suspicion is it's the latter. I've done anti-cheating work for a game competition once before in the long-distant and past and as a rule we didn't encourage people spreading what we are and are not able to detect. I'm guessing they reject runs for having unrollable seeds fairly often and don't want a million randos on RU-vid to know about it. I was thinking also that maybe it is technically possible that the seed that was cracked is not the same seed as badas rolled (it only looks identical in every single way in all dimensions), but if it's possible at all the odds must be so astronomical that it amounts to the same thing.

@@BlueCyann I'm leaning towards the former explanation, considering that this is pretty much public knowledge within the community

this whole video Im like "this guy is going pretty hard on someone for just a "prob cheated"" And then you just show up with actual proof and that flips the whole narrative.

Thank you for your explanation. Didn't need to watch the video.

What's the 5/39 blind seed?

iirc fsg filters dont include treasure anymore. i miss those times

Verify Mark 1st

hi tj

Yeah, felt weird finding out he cheated

same

can relate tj the racoon

The timestamp

It is actually a lot less than 1%, only 1 in 65536 seeds is generatable randomly!

@@coc235 yep!

@@coc235 huh? why?

@@CherryZ 2^48/2^64 is a very small fraction YEO

Uhhhh what does that mean??

Technically it's possible because they said they got lots of hate messages and such but yea pretty sus

I'd definitely delete my channel if people started telling me my run was fake and insulting me for it.

yeah if you were cheating

I don't know that much about the situation, but I've met some people with real bad anxiety in the past. It's super suspicious for certain, but I wouldn't take that alone as hard evidence of guilt.

But the thing is... He wasn't "cheating", he was just playing the game the way he wanted to. Since he wasn't applying for official speedruns, it didn't really matter that his runs weren't legitimate. Honestly, the dude that "exposed" him, basically ruined his channel, creditability, and career because the inquisitor was just too curious and inquisitive. You could argue that he (the speedrunner) is guilty of deceiving his fanbase, but there's a difference between lying, confessing, and just not saying anything. You aren't lying or even being deceitful by saying nothing. If people think you are something that you aren't, and you didn't tell them that you are that, it's not really your responsibility to correct them. It's called the 5th Amendment, the right to not self incriminate yourself, granted this isn't a court of law, but it still holds up. Refusing to defend yourself, is not to be assumption of guilt. I feel like his audience started thinking his runs were legitimate, and rather than saying the runs were modded. The speedrunner, just said nothing. He wasn't trying to prove anything, he was playing the game the way he wanted to, and built an audience probably by pure happenstance. When his "fans" turned on him, because his runs were "exposed" as "fake" and that he led them on, rather than explain himself and defend his actions, he bowed out. What's the point in defending your channel if your entire fan base assumed one thing and are pissed that it's not the thing they thought it was? To be honest, it just sad, and it's really not anyone's business how he plays the game, and why his World Records aren't being submitted to the leader boards. He already did the responsible thing by not uploading his times officially.

it was bugged with atum a while ago also its a confirmed fsg seed

@@KindPlays Ahhh ok thx for explaining

@@KindPlays where did you find the info that its fsg

@@waha797 twt talked about it in the video

I've seen this before within mc. Basically, if you don't enter a seed into the atum reset menu, it will say "resetting a random seed" regardless of what seed you're playing.

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Why not?

why cant it be x

This is legit the funniest thing I read recently since I didn't realize until I read this comment 😂

@@bragtime1052 WHAT?

Bro ur not supposed to really care unless he's asking u to look at any screenshots

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@puppypuppybobbinthey didn't realize that TheWeeklyThing used that same clip several times throughout the video until they read this comment, so they found this whole thing very funny

he would've put a black screen or some kind of text saying that if that was the case ​@@sidestep2minecraft

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Yes YES FEED IT ITS HUNGRY

Ok _gives a cake_

Feed the algorithm

Lmfao there is a comment about you abovr

hii just read a comment about you, youre famous now

Proof?

@@shebahammy I got witnesses like kindplays, thunder thief and btcmr123

@@TheAbyssUpdate video proof

doesn't look that similar to me? also, innocent until proven guilty is a common phrase...

My guess would be to feign shock to try to make the insane luck more realistic. I can see how a legit speedrunner would be impressed, but have a higher chance of just rolling with it, knowing that it truly is just random chance and they're bound to get some insane rng at some point.

Clout.

Yeah, he's brilliant.

his crafting is kinda relaxing lmao

gus

Apparently it's too big a number. Randomly generated seeds don't go that big, there are only 2^48 generatable seeds, while there are 2^64 inputtable seeds. To really show how massive that difference is, 1 in 65 536 inputtable seeds is generatable.

They could if they needed to, but they don't actually need to. TWT did a poor job explaining the proof here. Basically -- the vast majority of possible seeds that you can enter into Minecraft cannot be rolled randomly by the game. Why, I don't know. But it's something along the lines of for every 64 or 65 thousand seeds, the game itself will only generate one of them. The rest have to be entered manually, making them set seeds if played as a speedrun. All 64/65K seeds, both the "real" one and the unrollable ones, share an identical nether (I'm pretty sure? I think it's the same thing as "sister seeds"), but the overworld differs in each. This seed was cracked based on the video evidence, and the resulting seed is not among the 1 in 64K that can be randomly generated by Minecraft. So it's a set seed, making it illegal to use for RSG submissions, and making it cheating to claim that it was RSG. The entire FSG bit is a bit of a red herring, as the seed would not have to be an FSG seed for all of the above to be true. But FSG seeds are often fast (for obvious reasons) and they're also easy to obtain (since it's an actual category with publicly available seed generators), so it's a convenient way for would-be cheaters to try to game the system. And this does happen to be an FSG seed. All seeds produced by the FSG generators, as well as every standard SSG seed ever used, fall in the category of not generatable by Minecraft in-game.

Yup

two things he doesn't mention in the video are that the seed is literally unrollable and that he refused to provide ANY evidence whatsoever besides the video. he claimed he deleted all the files that could give the run any credibility. convinced now?

but i appreciate the quality videos keep it up

Happened before. A youtuber faked a speedrun with tas, castlevania or a similar difficult game, got it verified and then debunked it.

OMEGA

@@Alpha-gj9qs in this case no, only 2^48 out of the 2^64 seeds can actually be rolled in RSG, that simplifies to 1 in 65336, so almost all FSG seeds are literally impossible to get in RSG. this is one of those seeds, there's a website to check if a given seed can be randomly generated and this seed couldn't

You got any source on that?

@@Alpha-gj9qs false

@@thestylemage2092 "There are 2^64 possible seeds, but only 2^48 can generate when creating a new world. Seeds can be found using fancy scripts ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8CKh4x4iK38.html , that's how the current ssg seed was found. It would be impossible to randomly generate, not just statistically" from the command "!!ssgrsg" in javacord

The seed was found by dylan lol

people probably wouldn't think much of it because you're (probably) not gonna constantly get top times using unsafe strats that rely on extra luck. unless..? 😳

Big difference is (and no offence to you), you wouldn’t get any good times

That's why you're not a top player

nobody would do mapless in a top run? people do mapless all the time, it's really fast if you know what you're doing

Are you in the wrong video?

not in 1.16 at least

You need to do /seed to see it

That hasn't been a thing since 1.3 or 1.4.

Do you play Minecraft at all? If you're mechanically good at the game it's just a matter of learning the strats.

@@BlueCyann I used to play and quit for a year. I just recently started playing it again and now I play on keyboard and mouse instead of controller

But the thing is... He wasn't "cheating", he was just playing the game the way he wanted to. Since he wasn't applying for official speedruns, it didn't really matter that his runs weren't legitimate. Honestly, the dude that "exposed" him, basically ruined his channel, creditability, and career because the inquisitor was just too curious and inquisitive. You could argue that he (the speedrunner) is guilty of deceiving his fanbase, but there's a difference between lying, confessing, and just not saying anything. You aren't lying or even being deceitful by saying nothing. If people think you are something that you aren't, and you didn't tell them that you are that, it's not really your responsibility to correct them. It's called the 5th Amendment, the right to not self incriminate yourself, granted this isn't a court of law, but it still holds up. Refusing to defend yourself, is not to be assumption of guilt. I feel like his audience started thinking his runs were legitimate, and rather than saying the runs were modded. The speedrunner, just said nothing. He wasn't trying to prove anything, he was playing the game the way he wanted to, and built an audience probably by pure happenstance. When his "fans" turned on him, because his runs were "exposed" as "fake" and that he led them on, rather than explain himself and defend his actions, he bowed out. What's the point in defending your channel if your entire fan base assumed one thing and are pissed that it's not the thing they thought it was? To be honest, it's just sad, and it's really not anyone's business how he plays the game, and why his World Records aren't being submitted to the leader boards. He already did the responsible thing by not uploading his times officially.

true actually, he freaked out about it then proceeded to say that he got so mad that he deleted mc? That even more bullshit

Water and lava don't break portals unless you place them directly in the portal frame. Otherwise they just flow around it.

It's an edit of "RainbowPls" and look up a tutorial on how to put emotes on your OBS

@@xaxcord2739 thank you so much :)

allegedly this particular seed isn't possible to roll randomly, as it's larger than the default java random function. i don't know how accurately they can identify the specific seed by his video, though.

Well, if people can identify the seed from the default texture pack image, they sure as hell can find that seed.

i've seen people suggest this before, it's a cool idea but also harmful to the competitive integrity. encouraging people to get away with cheating without any consequences would just lead to subtle cheating and suspicion on the normal leaderboards too that being said, there is a video on TWT's channel where they review knowingly fake runs just like this idea, that one is a fun watch if you haven't seen it

@@patxs Ohhh I got to check that one, thanks for the recommendation

YEO

People are sure he cheated. It's been proven, even if TWT didn't do a good job of explaining why. All runs of proven cheaters are removed.

he cheated dw

no no he cheated lol