Right? Orientation cant be changed. I mean, ask those bigoted heteros if they could wake up tomorrow finding the same sex attractive and theyll be like no of course not! Its like then why do you think it possibly worked the other way? *all* higher mammals like apes, dolphins elephants etc have members who prefer the same sex. And lower mammals just kind of get it on with whoevers nearby and willing when they horny. They dont care the sex. Only humans care about it, and pretty much only in certain cultures. Other cultures consider it normal. Its a natural thing of higher mammal species that live in groups and have long "childhoods" with lots of community investment in the offspring that some members will prefer homosexual relations. Biologically if we were still cave people, it makes sense. A gay person would be contributing member of the group, who can help the group raise offspring whos parents die but who themselves arent likely to reproduce. Its normal, its natural, and its no ones business what people do in their private lives.
Also: does this mean the college campus conduct such things???? Wouldn’t any other kind of therapy be done through medical professionals? Does this mean the college themselves were using electric shock as discipline at their discretion?
@@accapellaenthusiast5016BYU is a LDS college, and electroshock-therapie was used in the 50s in many countries to try and cure homosexuality, obvioussly it never works😅 but it is shocking that they still did it in the 70s
I don't know his specific sect, but one of my friends in highschool was sent to a conversion camp. Happiest kid you ever knew. Came back different. Was never quite right after that. This was right before the legalization of same sex marriage in the US. Less than a decade ago. People think we are further along than we are. People forget the blood it took to get here.
And the blood that still spills TO THIS DAY! 😓 (I THOUGHT about giving examples, but I changed my mind. In reality, there isn't much that blood DOESN'T spill for... and I'm referring to the US... a FIRST WORLD COUNTRY.)
My god I'm so sorry that is horrific. I hope he found some sort of peace and ideally happiness and healing. You are absolutely right about us forgetting how close behind us ugliness is.
I’m sorry that they treated you that way and other people in the community. It’s not right. For me, one of the reasons that I never joined the religion was just some of the share ridiculousness of it.
Years ago I was part of an interesting message board with many regular contributors. One was a young man who told us he was Mormon and gay. He shared his agony on wanting to be part of his religion but knowing if he came out he'd be an outcast. So many people tried to reassure him that there was nothing wrong with him but his guilt and self-loathing over it because of the church teachings was like an endless abyss no one could reach him through. It broke my heart for him. Nice man. I worried about him even years later.
@pamelahofman1785 because they sad people who want us to stay closet that why don't believe in anything anymore 30 years was enough. And wanting me to stay with a man who was a p word you know that what people call us lgbtqia plus tbh I could not I have kids they young and no thanks he was abuser and hurt the kids too. So I left and came out as queer I prefer that then saying I do like anybody regardless of gender. What I had was with my wife this year has been bad . Because a women made me disabled because she didn't like the pride sticker one of my kids put our car she decided to ram my side of the car and crush me I will never walk again. People say why do have pride this is why. My wife is recovered I will never walk again. It hard concept that will never walk again. They thought it was accident till her daughter saw bragging online she got away with it harming to lesbians obviously I am not and her daughter did right thing . I am wheelchair because of women who didn't like my community. It sad but I hope I get justice I hope she goes down for this cause she could killed my wife and me and sad
I attended BYU Idaho for one semester in the fall of 2019. My first Sunday after sacrament meeting, a member of the bishopric passed out flyers from a local member who was a therapist advertising that he offered conversion therapy. 🤮 So glad I was able to transfer to the University of Utah. Met so many gay students who were struggling with suicidal thoughts at BYUI but felt they were too close to getting their degrees to leave.
@adeyosola414 A lot of credits do not transfer from BYU/BYUI to other universities, and like so many other students, a lot of them depended on aid from family members who would not support them if they transferred to a non lds school.
Pretty much the first times I became aware of Mormonism was when I found out about them collaborating with the Catholics to bankroll California's Proposition 8, which (temporarily) repealed marriage equality in the state. As a budding queer who was already done weith the Catholicism I was raised in by then that was pretty much all I needed to know about Mormonism. As they say, you never get a second chance to make a first impression.
The LDS and all shame and fear-based religions, are meeting their match in the one thing the bad god in the very beginning wanted to keep from its children; knowledge.
Freedom? You mean going against all the laws of God, right? That's your definition of freedom? We are absolutely incredible as intelligent spirits without a body. We can sing, shout for joy, fight a war, repent of most sins, Christ created heaven and earth as a spirit, we can live and hate, suffer, or be comforted, but we cannot copulalte. We need a body for that. Herein is the reason for mortality. To prove we can be trusted with an immortal body that has sexual organs, like Adam and Eve had, that cannot be killed, even by God. This is the purpose of mortality. We are essaying to be parents or spirit children, who will go through their mortal test on worlds without number, worlds without end. Only an immortal man and woman can have spirit children, so to choose some other idea will mean you cannot be trusted with an immortal body that has sexual organs. A Celestial body is a body that has sexual organs, like Adam and Eve had in the garden of Eden in the presence of God. Sex can be forever, but only between an immortal man and immortal woman. A Terrestrial or Telestial body is an immortal body that has no sexual organs. Considering Satan hates us, he will possess every Mormon who teaches eternal marriage is impossible, like the woman doing this podcast. Like I said, you think your thoughts and feelings originated from you. Satan's biggest weapon is convincing people he doesn't exist
@@GarySaint-xm6tr well bud, as a reluctant Mormon (and closeted bisexual) teenager, I feel like the only reason people would care about any of that, is if they think god and this church is real. I think most people coming to this channel (including myself) do not believe in god or the church. So, I think I speak for many people when I say that I don’t care a bit.
Dallin H. Oaks oversaw much of the electroshock program and was once directly questioned about it and he responded by denying that it ever happened. Also, you should talk about Jeffrey R. Holland's "Musketfire" talk and the Deseret Nationalist response.
Being a Mormon and Gay would be excruciating. I know two gay friends that told me being gay and Mormon , they would never wish it on anyone. Both now have freed themselves, and are living their best life.
@@Vanillabean-je5ve Oh! please leave. Leave now. There’s a wonderful life waiting for you. You have the right to be happy 😘🙏🏳️🌈 Prepare, be careful and stay away from idiots.
A pride month. One day for the birthday of the country, one day for Presidents’ Day, etc. etc. A month to watch people parade around half naked, being prideful of how they use their gonads. Absolutely freaking ridiculous.
my bestie is trans and he almost killed himself until i took him to my church... a biker church that has plenty of lgbtq members! he realized quickly that mormonism was not loving and he started coming to my church and is now a pastor!!
If anyone is looking for a more traditional church that is LGBTQ+ friendly, Episcopalians will welcome you with open arms. There’s even a gay bishop and were one of the first denominations to support the community.
The Episcopals and (unprogrammed) Quakers are pretty accepting, too. If I wasn't an atheist, I'd be a Quaker; I did a paper on them when I went to school. 👍
I’ve heard some very nice things about Quakers. A very good friend of mine has been trying them out for a while, and it seems like a nice place to find spiritual community without all the baggage that usually comes with that
My mom keeps trying to tell me "the Mormon church is one of the biggest supporters of the community" ... I'm having a hard time finding proof of that... And instead I find this... EDIT: for context, I'm bisexual, and it's one of the biggest reasons I left the church...
Don't let your parents pressure you to do something your not comfortable doing. Wether its religious or political. It's your body do what you want to do. Religious will catch up at some point but unfortunately you're probably 500 years to 1000 years away from it being accepted in religious as they won't tolerate anti LGBTQ things that far in the future. Even tho we won't be around to see it. Unless someone brings us to future with time travel. So you never knew.
some religious folks view themselves as supporting the queer community _because_ they try to "fix us." to them, the real support we get is actually enablers harming us and they are the real supporters because they're trying to fix us.
It not why do know that before I came out I have child come out first when she younger she a teen now we left. They told me to disown her my own child . My ex was abusive and I left him they didn't like that either I got him in jail. Now married to women who left church too and she was my best friend since was 5 she was 5 too. I am 35 she 34 almost 35
The ick I got reading this reminds me of every time someone at my protestant church would say, "Love the sinner, hate the sin" in reference to LGBTQIA+ people. I was closeted at the time and I only felt the hate, never the love.
I applaud your dedication to your process of individuation and for sharing history, fact and personal insights and experiences to educate people about the harms perpetrated by the church. I know you have received a lot terrible, hateful negativity for telling the truth and your personal truth, so let me be one of the voices that says you’re amazing, brave and strong and helping a lot of people. Only people who have been through a situation themselves are in the position to best help people that are struggling or feeling stuck in that same situation. And that’s mild language because I know some members are currently experiencing flat out abuse and exploitation. And many may not be, but it’s still very important to know the history of harmful and regressive, dangerous policies and agendas of the church. Continue your great work knowing you have people like me who are watching and moved and inspired and proud of you!💗💕✨⭐️
My friends ex gf was gay and Mormon, she came out to her parents and they told her she was confused and the way they treated her got worse, they moved her to another school so she couldn’t see my friend and any of her current non Mormon friends, her mom and dad are emotionally abusive to her. She was 12 almost 13 at the time we knew her.
I was a mormon child and lived in california in 2008. The things they had me programmed to say and do disgust me. I wouldn’t be surprised if they raised far more than $20m.
Yep. I grew up Mormon and gay. My teen years as I began to realize were TOUGH. I was deeply depressed and suicidal and I thought that was who I genuinely was. I was actually very fortunate with how accepting my Mormon family was when I came out 18-20. Additionally, I got lucky with my ward being pretty chill with it all. One of our stake presidency members at the time was a prominent psychologist who helped Mormon and gay people (I’ve heard that he’s left the church since). He talked to me and helped me realize that the commandment to love God and your neighbors also included loving yourself, and that I should do whatever I felt right for myself (even if that meant leaving the church). Basically he affirmed that we don’t know the “plan” for everything and to follow what I felt was best for me. It helped give me the permission I needed to stop going to church because it was so immensely triggering and torturous for me. He also helped teach my bishop who to handle it all appropriately, and after I got released from my calling then I have never gone back. And I was never pestered by well-meaning church members to come back. I think the culture is changing, although I don’t know if the doctrine ever will with the leadership. It’s individuals who have loved and cared for and accepted me. I think the biggest problem is that members don’t realize what they’re asking of gay people and can’t separate sexuality from just sexual desire. Also connection comes from authenticity and vulnerability. You can’t be authentic hiding such a big part of who you are out of safety, and therefore you can’t connect authentically with anyone. I’m very grateful for how it all turned out for me, and I am so happy and at peace in my life now. I have a great relationship with myself and my own spirituality now even though I no longer believe in the church.
Question, I thought all Mormons were homophobic, is there an exception to maybe it is okay to accept them as long as if they are not gay themselves? I am confused because every Mormon I met was homophobic
@@ashleywitt6681I’m not Mormon but have been to Mormon church and have Mormon colleagues. Just like with any fairly conservative religion, the majority (especially older and less open-minded crowds) will be homophobic. Out of the three Mormons I know and see regularly, two are queer, and one is hesitant but accepting. I’m trans and she’s actually asked me some respectful questions about my experience. So, like any organized religion, the scripture and the leaders can say one thing, but there’s always going to be people who ignore that part because they know acceptance is key.
@@ashleywitt6681 It’s kind of a nuanced conversation. All religions are complex, but the Mormon church is incredibly complex. The Mormon church has an underlying culture of homophobia for sure 100%. It’s devastating but in some ways it’s not quite as bad as some other religious sects. Remember that Mormons don’t actually believe in a conventional “hell” for regular people where you are tortured forever. The enforcement of rules comes from separation from your family and god in the afterlife. It also comes from the pressure of fellow members, so the flavor of the church can really differ depending on location and the particular people there. I think the thing to remember is that not all Mormons are the same. There are countless interpretations of different teachings and people prioritize the doctrine differently. Some Mormons like the ones from Utah are very rigid and rule-based, but not all Mormons are that way. Also people can learn more, grow, and overcome their homophobia when given the right space to do so. It’s an individual thing, but now unless someone is being disrespectful towards me I tend to just live my life happily and peacefully and hope it opens their eyes over time. (Being able to be around Mormons again took a lot of healing first though). Harshly condemning regular members is typically counterproductive in my opinion because then they get defensive and close down to potentially seeing things differently. It pushes them further into the “cult” than just being calm, kind, and truthful. Besides, while regular members cause harm, the greatest harm is caused by the actual institution and leadership of the church. Everyone has their own journey with it too. I don’t understand it completely but I don’t judge people who are accepting of gay people who stay in the church either, change has to begin from within somewhere. I certainly will not be the person to create that change haha. I hope that makes sense, but overall it’s just complicated and people are people and not a monolith even though it sometimes seems like it.
@@ashleywitt6681 I apologize for the long responses but I hope it’s at least interesting. If you’ve always heard the same things said by Mormons about gay people and seen the same attitudes, then it’s likely that they’re parroting what they’ve always heard. What they say or even sometimes how they act may not be 100% accurate to how they feel deep down. LGBT issues are deeply taboo in the Mormon church and are treated with a lot of discomfort and fear. It’s an atmosphere created by the leadership and enforced by other members. Because it is so uncomfortable for Mormons, and because deep down they subconsciously realize that the teachings are contradictory and don’t make sense, out of discomfort or self-protection they’ll usually end up saying the same things over and over again with gay people. “I don’t support the lifestyle” “it’s fine to be attracted to the same-sex but acting on it is a sin” “hate the sin, love the sinner” All these same things are taught over and over again and drilled into Mormons as like a defense mechanism. At stake of not following all of this is their entire world and afterlife. The reason people say Mormonism is a cult besides the weird culty practices is because it consumes your whole life and defines your entire identity and worldview. So to leave the church is to lose your entire family, your friends, community, identity, and the potential to be happy for all of eternity. They cling onto it so hard because their “lives” depend on it. They tamp down their doubt because it’s like death, though it still lingers under the surface. It’s very sad. A lot of Mormons may not be as homophobic deep down as they appear, and the cracks continue to spread through the church because of this issue among others. People feel the greater call to “love others as I have loved you” than to continue the nonsense. You see this kind of behavior around all controversial topics around Mormonism.
I’m exmo (but was a convert) and I remember feeling SOO ashamed because I had to be back in the closet once I joined. I remember hanging out with a few of my best friends in high school, where they proceeded to make fun of gay people and say things like “being gay is so gross, how can anyone feel that way? I’m just glad they aren’t allowed in the celestial kingdom” and it scarred me so much! Thank goodness I’m out of that. Now I can be gay in peace 😂😂
One of my old coworkers was Mormon and I went with her (enthusiastically) to a few church meetings. After one of them, she mentioned that one of the girls there had previously identified as bisexual (and had a crush on my coworker) but stopped when she fully converted to Mormonism. It makes me so sad.
I worked with the LGBTQ+ community for 6 years. I told my Mormon grandmother that I truly believed that God wanted me to work with and love these people. She literally responded with how do you know it's what God wants, and you can't rely on your faith for that kind of thing. If only she saw the irony that statement....
What???? Seriously confused about how she would NOT see the irony in that statement. If God be calling, you better be answering: doesn't matter how strange the call is. I hope you kept going with your work. What kinds of things were you doing, if you don't mind my asking?
@@sophiejones3554 It was a local charter school. I was a teacher. It just happened to be labeled as an LGBTQ+ safe haven, so we'd get a lot of kids who just wanted to be away from mainstream schools and the bullying that often took place there. I'm not saying our school didn't have issues with bullying (it did), but it was overall better than other schools from what I heard from the students.
As someone who was raised Catholic the thing that really stands out to me about Mormonism is the obsession with marriage and the fact that it’s required for entry into heaven. In Catholicism virginity and celibacy are seen as virtues to the point that saints who were never married are venerated for their purity. At least gay Catholics can hide their sexuality by staying celibate, I think the pressure to get married must be even worse for gay Mormons.
I went to catholic school my whole life. There was a guy one grade below me who was pretty obviously gay. He would get SUPER upset when people would make fun of him for it (because catholics are soooo loving and accepting of everyone...) not because they were making fun of him, but because my school would actually remove him from enrollment and keep the tuition. So everyone who knew him and knew he was actually gay, we would not be able to talk to him about ANYTHING just in case a teacher overheard and could "report his crime" to the principal. Religions touting how "accepting and loving" they are usually aren't. If you are an accepting and loving person, you don't need to tell people about it. Same goes for the church - if you truly were accepting and loving of "all of gods creations" then you wouldn't need to announce it everyday. I love your content and I am really happy you found your own way! Keep up the amazing work! xoxox
I'm ab ex gay man 🙏 now a Catholic very sorry to hear that and you're experience. I've struggled with my sins and the shame but now I'm free and have more joy in my life.
@@PhillipNelseni'm sorry you think you had to supress a part of yourself to be worthy. If you have to remove or supress who you love, that's oppression. I know you don't see it that way, but that's what it is. An old book and people around you saying something doesn't make it true. Maybe you felt a calling of some sort, but people feel that all the time for all sorts of things. It is not a sign to hide or remove a part of yourself to be worthy of god's love. A good, kind god does not force people to do that to themselves.
@@PhillipNelsenthat is horrific. Being gay comes from hormonal imbalances in the uterus and genetics. There is nothing wrong with being gay at all. I can’t believe in 2024 there are legitimately people so brainwashed and so uneducated that they have been taught part of their natural human diversity is wrong etc.
@@__zj__ Encouraging people to commit sin is not loving. Encouraging people to make a sin their identity is not loving. God does not force people to do that to themselves.
@@breandanh4912 read up on the verse. The original hebrew text does not actually says that men should not lie with men, it says that men should not lie with boys. Very different message. It has since been intentionally mistranslated to "homosexuality" in the middle ages to cover lesbians, despite women not actually being mentioned.
I’ve been out of the church for about 11 years now, and it still makes me so angry to think about how queer people are treated, I got lucky, my whole family is Mormon but when I came out as lesbian they loved and accepted me.
My friend was gay and in a partnership with a man. They loved each other very much. He from a small town in Southern Utah. He went on a mission and graduated from BYU. His parents never accepted his sexuality which caused him immense pain for his entire life. He took his own life. At his funeral and viewing his parents were horrible to his partner. When I reached his partner in the line he literally collapsed in my arms sobbing. It was horrible.
@Dexuz Calling does not, truth does. You aren't a real Christian. That's true knowledge, and you would only lie in denying it. There isn't any honesty or value in playing your game. You can go now.
As a gay trans man, I think it’s a little funny that I exist as a double-edged sword to fundamentalists. I fully look like, act, and present as a man, so any man I’m with is veritably in a gay relationship. But, to these folks, I’m still a “biological woman”. Therefore, I’m not _technically_ breaking any of their doctrines by marrying a (cis) man. If they say otherwise, they’re then implicitly recognizing my identity as a man 😼
fellow trans guy named Matt here. my girlfriend and I are both trans. it’s funny because it’s a “straight relationship”, but we are undoubtedly sinners in a judgmental conservative’s eyes
That's hilarious. I love that 99% of anti-lgbt arguments fail apart even people fall into either the odd groups (aro/ace, gender fluid, etc.) or a mixture of groups. Like, I'm ace, which means I technically follow all of the rules of unmarried life, but folks get really mad about that, lol.
That's a whole lot of new words for an old guy like me. My question is, what exual equipment do you have. I'm not trying to offend, I just want to understand.
In the 80's as a 'Young Woman' (actually 12yrs+) I was repeatedly taught that being gay wasn't real, it was a choice; a sexual sin. Do we think leaders of 80 and 90yrs+ in the church really believe otherwise? Today they acknowledge being gay as real now only because they have to. Then discriminates and hurts them as before. I am in equal measures angry, sad, exasperated. Sending ❤ to the LGBTW+ community.
This is why I’ve cut contact with my mormon relatives. The transphobia and homophobia from them is brutal. They of course talk all that "hate the sin not the sinner" bullshit, but what it really comes down to is that they think queer people are living evil lives and they look down on everyone who isn’t mormon.
“Hate the sin, not the sinner” has got to be one of the most patronizing sentences out there. Like they’re saying “you’re so lucky that I’m nice to you, even though you’re a sinful degenerate I love you anyways”
The CHILDREN get punished???? boy SO WEIRD the way all my mormon friends growing up insisted the church just "didn't approve" of marriage but that's as far as it went, because anything more would be hateful and the church ain't hateful RIGHT RIGHT????
Yes, there was a nice girl in my ward when I was younger (I’m a teenager ) who was heavily shunned when her parents got divorced so her dad could be gay. There was a lot of drama around her leaving.
I see the religion’s reasoning for delaying baptism in this way: Here is a religion teaching a child that one or both of the parents is engaged in evil behavior. The religion could be accused of alienating the child and the parent; therefore, the religion did not permit the child to join until age eighteen to avoid that accusation.
If you can't save money for your retirement, you can save it to retire in heaven instead, and that will only happen once you're no longer alive. Source: Trust -me bro- God
Gay Ex-Mo here. I was raised in CA and at the same time Prop 8 was on the ballot I was also figuring out I was gay and was outed. Meanwhile my dad was donating $5000 (I saw the check on the counter) to support Prop 8 because the Church was actually pushing for donations from the pulpit (which is technically illegal because part of churches having tax-exempt status is that they cant get involved in politics)
That is so awful! I am so disgusted! About 75% of my friends are LGBTQIA+ and the way some so-called "Christians" treat anyone in the community is absolutely horrible.
My SIL, then a resident of California, was married to her same-sex partner in a legal marriage, performed and registered in California. Neither she nor her wife had ever had any affiliation with LDS, nor were they planning to go to Utah. However, the LDS Church could go to great lengths to end her marriage. WHY? What were they to the Mormons, how did this effect them, and why did it matter so much to them? Boggles the mind!
If you are LGBTQIA and want to remain a Christian, please find an EPISCOPAL church! I'm an atheist and even I think most of their sermons are inspiring! They truly preach love for all. If you're in a bigger area, you might be able to find a non-denominational church that is accepting or even a queer Bible study or church group. Love is beautiful! Love yourself! ❤
Thank you for talking about this too many LDS youth rn refuse to acknowledge this or insist it will change. . The church still sponsors conversion conversion therapy they just call it other things.
Them not being unique in this doesn't make them good. If anything the tact that this is the mainstream teaching within christianity just goes to ahow how immoral and harmful Christianity is: they say "They'll know we are Christians by our love," yet one of the few things the majority of Christians can actually agree upon is which groups of people they hate the most.
@cristianbravo2072 well the theory is the bible, which does not see well same sex unions. Consequently, Christian's may have the same approach. However, it is by far not all of them thinking this. I mean we need not to take the bible by each word. Maybe at that time they wanted to makensure that people were getting enough children. I do not know. But I see no reason to be against homosexual unions today . That is what I meant 😄
Gosh, what a heavy subject 😓 But, I did know a gay man who was married in the temple and had children. When I was a Mormon, I thought the options were celibacy or forced heterosexuality.
Small addendum to the children of gay parents rule. You could be the child of gay parents as a full member if you declared that you disapprove of your parents same sex relationship.
As a bi gal, this is why I’ve decided to try and let go of my feelings for this beautiful girl I know who is mormon…when someone asked her the question she did say it was ok to be mormon and lesbian but idk. I get major gay vibes from her and she still is friendly with me when I told her how I felt about her, but its probably still super risky and could possibly change her whole life… I am not gonna be the reason anything like that happens I think
@@AngiesCousin ah of course, we’re definitely still friends :) she never really gave me a definite answer when I told her a few months ago, so you’re right about the not knowing…having a happy ending would be a dream fr, I just don’t wanna make more romantic advances if it doesn’t feel right to both of us if u know what I mean. Thanks for the advice and I don’t think I’m ever gonna lose hope lol
"If you are gay you have to commit to a lifetime of abstinence if you want to be in good standing with the church." Fortunately, God isn't so backward thinking. She's perfectly happy with you just as you are.
I had friends who didn't finish high-school over being Mormon and gay, then trans too. Who would have thought teaching exclusives would ostracize children and make them depressed? The church knows and doesn't care.
Queer Exmo here. I'll always be proud of "finding myself" in the showers after doing baptisms for the dead. I may still need an ox to make eye contact so I can get off. 😏 Thanks for your vids 😘
I’m trans and I’m dating a girl(I’m afab) so I was banned from a summer event because I have a girlfriend. And they said since I’m trans, if I were to go, I would likely have to stay in a hotel nearby.
Need to remove the second "m" in "Mormon" , then add an "s" to render a more accurate description of the members of that cult. But they DO have the right to worship as they choose, so enjoy the show !
It was also like this with the Roman Catholics, but they were losing so many parishioners, the Pope had to change the rules. Today, people are still not attending mass, and the Pope is desperately trying to regain followers. He indoctrinated a teenage male gamer into sainthood. This kid is a nobody teen, and nowhere on the same level as mother Teresa, Joan of Arc, st. Anthony or any other saint who came before him. It is a desperate move to regain Roman catholic followers.
The "for the strength of the youth" booklet, it literally said that any form of homosexuality was a sin. I remember tearing out that page before kissing my gf at girls camp 🫶
Shiz, hung out with 12 dudes (one of which was catty as hell). Fun at parties (weddings) hung around hookers and hated paying taxes? I think we all know which team he played for. 💅🏻
My friend is queer and her roommates are a Mormon couple? It confused me. It’s very strange because they seem so accepting and kind to me and my partner, and they’re obviously fine with my friend, who is just in general a very vulgar person so I was shocked when she mentioned they were Mormon
FWIW, the Community of Christ, AKA R.L.D.S. Church, is officially very Gay-friendly, though individual persons/congregations might differ. If you're gay and don't mind a theology that's more 'Protestant with an extra Bible', C of C might suit you. (Just putting that out there for people who still want some Mormon flavor on their theology pizza without going full jalapenos-and-anchovies.)
I've heard some interesting things about how there's such a huge gay underground in Salt Lake City and how many missionaries have same-sex relationships
One reason I left the church I am married to my best friend now who known since 5 she amazing. I came out after I left and my child teen she is lesbian she came out first. I married abusive man they told me to stay with him he in jail we divorced. I rather my kids be not at harm. It was hard to get my name off the but did been married a year to my wife now we came as blended family..her ex doesn't care about our daughter I adopted her 6 months ago he give up his rights .
@stevan2399 after this I will not reply to kid I don't hate men I not going repeat what you going.do nothing if you pray for me it walk. I am not gay there other letters In lgbtqia plus community. There b and plus q I could be either of them I just not married to abusive man I don't hate men I hate abusers kid
What you rarely hear... There is a 2nd Mormon church, the Community of Christ in Independence, MO. It's the absolute opposite of the Salt Lake City Mormons. It's extremely liberal and has been performing gay marriages for almost 25 years. Until recently, the CofC church was ran by Joseph Smith's g-g-grandsons for 180 years.
They had to rebrand because they were in debt. Other Christian churches have then money but only if they aligned with the rest of Christianity and away from Mormonism.
