This insane mod allows Starcraft 1 races vs Starcraft 2 - SO COOL! - Grubby 

Yep, from the very beginning

@@markmuller7962 I mean SC2BW was around in the HotS days but no one noticed. This has the added advantage of facing sc1 races against sc2 though and that's amazing

@L3monsta Because the west has been esport illiterate for 15 years after BW blowed up in SK?

@L3monsta That's because the west has been esport illiterate for 15 years after BW blowed up in SK

@L3monsta That's because the west has been esport illiterate for 15 years after BW exploded in SK

sc1 sound design in general is amazing. It's on the same tier as wc3 where you can tell whats happening if you dont see it

The sc1 zealot has a higher speed when leg enhancements are researched. I like the sc1 zelot better anyway. The charge mechanic is kind of anti micro

@@friskydrinklunkybank1108 Totally, everything had such weight and character to it in sc1, sc2 things felt relatively throwaway.

@@kirktown2046 it's just a nostalgia. We were younger and we put that weight into everything.

​@@Amoeby Nah, listen to the sc1/2 unit voice comparisons yourself, or just go play a game of each. It's impossible for sc2 unit weight to match sc1, the pace is so much faster alone. I love sc2 as well, but the audio doesn't have the same impact. The voice direction, oddly, was kind of flipped from sc1... Sc1 had a less serious atmosphere overall, but the units sounded fairly serious and "cool" (for default lines). Sc2 had a very serious, epic space opera atmosphere all around, but unit dialogue was much less "cool" and more humorous. That really makes a major impact on the vibe. Individual unit sounds and effects are lower in the mix by default, they lack environmental sounds like the radio static or blips from sc1 that placed units more intimately into their environments. They played safer away from the southerner stereotype and made everyone more generic. Now nostalgia is trying to compete with having Mr. Burns as the science vessel vs the Raven. You can't win that.

They've been patched in Remastered, so their intended use against mass Mutalisks does make them shine (2 Valks is enough to deter a full Muta ball).

It was fixed

With the Valk fix in SC remastered they're also the ultimate anti air unit for any big air battles in the Fastest maps so yes the sprite limit really did hold them back for the longest time. Valks being good now also means any mass wraith strats in TvT (that used to be popular for a while) are dead now

@@zhadez10 That's unfortunate, mass wraith is majestic

Yamato Gun did 260 damage. From a longer range.

@@Chubbajawa Yamato Gun also costs a boatload of energy. SC2 BCs have a shorter Yamato cooldown than SC1 BCs can recover enough energy.

I think in this case we saw one reason why BW BCs aren’t strictly worse; their slower shots are much less affected by, for example, the Thor’s armor.

Subjective really, they have higher rate of fire but their damage is lower and also penalized by armor more, while BW BC's only fire one slow shots but isn't heavily mitigated by armor upgrades. So its only advantage is mobility with Tac Jumps. Oh and SC2 Missile Turrets are better since they also get Hi-Sec Auto Tracking (range increased for defensive structures).

@@chrisdaignault9845 thor only has one armor. Hardly an issue for a bc's 9 damage ground attack. Its their air to air attack that struggles a little with armor, cuz it only has 6 base damage. Sc2 bcs have higher air to ground dps than bw bcs on anything other than ultralisks. Old yamato did 360 damage instead of 260 but that hardly makes up for how much worse it is at everything else. Bw battlecruisers can barely beat a scout 1vs1. I think 3 scouts beat 2 bcs without yamato, and bcs are unable to disengage. Bw bcs are memes. They dont counter anything and get countered by half the units in the game. You are all severly underestimating the utility of firering while moving, as well as thr global warp powers of the sc2 bc. These two units arent even in the same league. Its like F tier vs A tier.

they also don't target other vultures and archons due to them also being tagged as "hover" units

Honestly on the SC1 side Vultures still seem cracked and way stronger/versatile than Hellions/Hellbats, and Science Vessels vs. Ravens is a very interesting comparison with how different their utility is, but for the most part there are a lot of handicaps for SC1 terran like depots not burrowing, needing CC addons, no reactors, dropship being strictly worse than medivac, etc.

T1vX -> 6 matchups Z1vX -> 5 matchups (we exclude the races the first player had above) P1vX -> 4 matchups (final matchups with at least one BW player, so 15 if we have at least 1 BW player) T2vX -> 3 matchups Z2VX -> 2 matchups P2VX -> 1 matchup (final matchup, 6 matchups that only include SC2 races) So in total you have 15 matchups with at least 1 BW race and 21 matchups in total

? 3 bw races, 3 sc2 races. 6 total. Including mirror matches, that would be 36 possible combinations.

For anyone looking at how many matchups, look at the choose function. 6 choose 2 is 15. This does NOT include mirror matchups, so we add those in, giving 15+6= 21 match ups.

Result is: 6+5+4+3+2+1 The first has 6 possible match-up (the same race same edition included) next race/edit. Combo has 1 less, because we counted already the first possible match-up for the last one. The next has 4 and so on.

Goliaths and vultures are just way too good, however pretty much everything else is laughably inferior like banshees being infinitely better at harrasing worker lines and defending marines vs wraith tickle damage Hell bw terran air is completely nullified by vikings range and speed

They are constantly balancing it around The goal is not to be a 100% recreation but to actually make both games races balanced while keeping their identity and playstyle options

You'd need to ascertain that the AI bots are as "skilled" as each other to balance it like that, and that's not a very easy task.

My guy, he's playing BW Terran where the E-Bay can be lifted unlike SC2's.