If you came here to say he was offside I promise you I saw that, but it’s not the call they made on the field Anthony Taylor genuinely insisted his arms were by his side to the Germany players, either that or I’m losing my mind
Even if the TV broadcast doesn't show the "VAR checking in progress" banner, it doesn't mean they aren't actually checking these situations. The problem was a communication between the production team and the audience, not a refereeing problem. The ref probably didn't see it, and then waited for VAR officials to call him if they deemed it was worth checking. Since there was a previous Germany offside and handball, there was no need for the ref to check it on the screens. Now, the handball rules are probably a little bit too loose, but as per the official regulations that was not a handball, go read the actual text of the regulations and you'll be surprised how lenient handball rules are right now.
@@eliminati0457 Fullkrug controls the ball with his arm extended before all this happened. Freekick for Spain that was not called. If Taylor did anything wrong was not calling that one. Cucurella's hand is not a penalty. Watch the UEFA refereeing guidelines for the Euros. Those were published well before the tournament began, and those clearly state that what happened in that play was not a penalty.
To everybody: I'm not sure that Füllkrug was offside in the build-up. German outlet ARD drew the lines and came to the conclusion that it wasn't offside. Also, had it been offside, surely FIFA would have come out to say that it was, to take all the weight off of the handball/no handball decision. Also, handball.
Intention shouldnt matter if an arm is making the body unnaturally bigger. Players commit fouls all the time by TRYING to get the ball, but if they don't do it, its a foul.
Intent does not matter. It only matter insofar that, if the hand ball is intentional, it is always penalized and the player gets a yellow card (at least). A hand ball being unintentional does not excuse the hand ball, there is nothing in the rules that says so. "but it was not intentional" is what people who don't know the rules say.
@@Jonathanizer you know the genuine reason why football was invented, and why you can't use your hands at all is because the school master thought the boys would wank less, right? Handball has always, and will always be a silly rule. Intention DOES matter. If i'm running and in my natural stride the ball happens to bounce onto the back of my hand that shouldn't be a foul. That said, the rules are the rules and under the rules that was a handball.
When I saw Anthony Taylor reffing the game I ranted to my dad telling him the calls are about to be bad. Then the handball happened and we both just looked at eachother in dismay
"it was offside!11" yeah, that's why UEFA immediately provided evidence and the ref ruled free kick for Spain - oh wait. Anthony Taylor decided the game right there.
yeah so real quick - Toni Kroos should have received 6 yellow cards. Some fouls bordering on child abuse. The ref wasn't partial - he was just bad all round and spain have as much if not more to complain
@@Artsom3 What people like you don't understand, Kroos would have ever only received a single yellow card. As soon as he gets carded, he plays much less aggressive, as to not risk a second one. But as long as he is not carded, he keeps playing aggressive. That being said, the early situation with Pedri was not a yellow, barely even a foul. I knew Pedri fell to the floor and was injured, but look at the play, Kroos got the ball first, then they crashed into each other. I am sorry for Pedri, but it is not Kroos' fault that Pedri is late and made of glass.
@@JonathanizerTotally agree. 50/50 ball, Kroos won it. They both clattered into eachother after Kroos touched the ball. There was an incident in the Holland Turkey game where two players went sliding in for the same ball. Looked pretty painful, especially for the Turkish guy, No foul, play on. Proper refereeing.
So I have 2 things to say to the Füllkrug offside situation: 1. The game continued with Germany having possession(if I remember correctly), so if there was an offside (and if it was checked) it would have been a free kick for Spain 2. So the German Broadcaster asked Uefa for a calibrated offside line and asked them to clarify whether an offside was checked, and UEFA refused to clarify anything, which to me means that they either didn't check it or it was not offside, because why wouldn't UEFA clarify if they checked and it indeed was offside? That would just shut down the entire discussion and nobody could really be mad at this scene anymore.
He looked offside on TV in South Africa. We saw 2 or 3 replays of the incident. But it is always hard to be sure because of the camera angle. Uefa's response is weird, I give you that.
Plus the ARD (german TV channel) did a video analysis and found that it was not offside if even just. Granted they might be biased but its certainly not "clearly offside". Imo UEFA would release the data if it was a confiremed offside as it would take blame away from the referee. But they didnt which leeds me to believe that it was onside
Yeah, thats not how offside works currently. Unless there was another foul called after offside or germany scored a goal, the referee can decide to just play on and not give a free kick for offside.
@@mikewilownuno they cannot. If it’s offside the assistant referee will signal for it with the flag, and then the ref will decide either to stop play or let the advantage continue the match. If the team that was offside retains possession the ref must stop play. I’m suspecting though that uefa may have had technical difficulties with the var room or that the semi automatic offside was not functioning because there were many weird decisions during that match that weren’t overturned by var (like Toni kroos absolutely obliterating pedri twice in the beginning of the match with no consequence to speak of, when at least one of the challenges skills have rendered a direct red card)
@@JacquesduPlessis11his arm blocks the view but the defender's knee keeps him onside. His outstretched arm doesn't count towards deciding offsides. So he was actually fine.
As Bastian Schweinsteiger said after the game, 9 out of 10 times this is called a penalty, but to be honest… we (as in Germany) had the chances to close out the game without a penalty in extra time But all in all, a quote I read today sums it up quite nicely: The team may have lost the game, but won back the hearts of the nation. And we will be coming for that 5th World Cup in two years
Are you German? And if yes, do you feel like the positive public sentiment has something to do with Nagelsmann being the coach? I'm not German but I can't help but feel a bit for the relatively young guy who lost his chance to prove his worth in Bayern rather prematurely who's now trying to lift a team that had fallen from grace.
@@user-op6kt8pg9y With how havertz was also often a first pick of the previous coaches (cmiiw), I think there might be something during the training sessions that made them believe in him as the first pick for that position (idk if there are any decent options outside of fullkrug tbh). Maybe Klose should come back from retirement...
@@arifb222 havertz is a decent player who finds space and plays well with moving the ball, but we don't need that as a striker, ever since 2018 we have struggled with goal scoring and now that we finally have a proper number 9 again the managers keep refusing to start him for some reason, we saw in the Denmark game when sane came off and havertz was moved to a right sided CAM/RW position and füllkrug came in at striker havertz played a lot better because he wasn't missing chances he was helping set them up, it really bothers me how many chances havertz missed while in the box and was still started other than that we have improved so much since 2022 world cup and if we hadn't been drawn on the same side as Spain the final could have easily been Germany/Spain, im not too mad about going out in the quarters to the best team in the tournament, i am mad however at the fact this dreadful france team is in the semis while Germany is out all because germany topped their group and france didn't
Facts, it was the same thing at the last World Cup. But you will never hear English pundits and fans admit that they have the worst refs in the Europe.
Given Kroos should've been sent off with competent refereeing, I'm not sure Germany would've even made anywhere near Extra-time. The incredible part is that Anthony Taylor is considered to be a good referee by some.
@@AppleSauceGamingChannel the thing is that Kroos could play that way, because he didn’t receive a single yellow, so arguing with "Germany wouldn’t even have made it to extra time" misses the point.
As an Englishman I *REALLY* can't understand how the hell our (crap) officials get 2 out of 4 of the Quarter Finals. Our team is rubbish but looks like world beaters when put up against our referees.
He looked offside in the match, but the fact they didn’t call for it is astounding… never a natural position Edit: According to UEFA, he wasn’t offside but the hand was in a ‘Natural’ position. Sometimes I question what a natural position is since it clearly doesn’t look it
The UEFA didn‘t make a statement for the offside position to ARD (German media outlet) and the german media in general. ARD themselves made a offside calibration which showed he wasn‘t offside and UEFA never showing or giving footage to the german tv outlets suggests it was offside in my opinion. If you look at nachos knee it‘s likely that it was infront of Füllkrug
It's funny that even Cucurella couldn't believe it wasn't called, his body language following this play is hilarious. To me it's a clear penalty. Maybe Taylor had a bad angle and saw the arm closer to the body than it was - after all there was significant body lean you don't usually see. But for VAR to make a decision in 8 seconds on such a play is mindboggling, the offside alone takes 15-20 usually. Another really bothering thing is we didn't get an explanation on screen. It was specifically promised for this tournament and up until this game we always saw it. And now? Nothing. A day later we still don't know.
Christoph Kramer (active player for M‘Gladbach and TV pundit for ZDF) said after the game that he immediately looked at Cucurella to see his reaction. Because even Cucurella knew he handballed it there and even looked worried that a pen would be given
We have an americam woman in england who has appeared to us out of nowhere 2 weeks ago, being described on screen mid game as a "VAR expert" . . And she said it wasnt a penalty . .
This is the full rule from the IFAB official site just FYI , but for me that rule should be changed, because it was clealy a penalty. "It is an offence if a player: touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised"
For those saying Füllkrug was Offside, he wasnt, if you go back and watch the replay he was at the same height as Spains defender. Also UEFAs official reasoning is, that the arm was in a natural Position.
Yeah clear as day handball and a penalty. Anybody that tries to argue against it, has no clue what they are talking about or is a fanboy. Simple. But this is not the first nor will it be the last time something like this will happen. And yeah anybody saying, well he TRIED to get his arms behind the back is like saying, well he TRIED to play the ball when he went for the tackle. Who cares what anybody tried? If you don't play the ball and hit the opponent it is a foul. Same applies here.
Clear as day non penalty. Anybody that tries to argue against it, has no clue what they are talking about or is a fanboy. Simple. Because according to IFAB rules, and according to UEFA rules, Verbatim: *_If a player’s arm is close to his side, pointing predominantly down/vertically, and/or a position behind line of the body when the ball strikes, it is not deemed to be an offence._* So you just proven, using your own arguments, that you have no clue what you're talking about, or that you're a fanboy. Or both. Pick one.
The VAR communicated with the Ref and he chose to NOT review it. I was furious, bc it's the Second Penalty not given for Germany this tournament, and the ref didn't do a great job in both directions. If it was offside beforehand, then it would have been checked anyways and then the Game continued with a free kick for Spain. And then there would be NO discussion about it. Everyone on the TV and in the Stadium would have gotten the nice little graphic showing the offside. Showing Facts.
I dont understand why var just cant overturn wrong calls. Most refs and people in general wont overturn their own calls. They feel they dont make mistakes. So take it out of their hands. No review. Var makes call just like offsides.
Brother it's not a good example lol. UEFA themselves said that when hand is not in the unnatural possition then it's not a penalty. And He was trying to get arms to his body. So it was not deliberate nor unnatural. While Taylor was garbage ref that match, this decision was not against the rules.
@@Dany126PL He stopped his arm mid-motion to block the ball with his hand. How is that not deliberate and not unnatural? You can see the perfect example of where the arms should be right next to Cucurella, as was pointed out multiple times by Z. Anthony Taylor showed the world once again why he is one of the biggest cheats in world football and nobody should be surprised that the corrupt UEFA covers for someone like him.
@@Touchpadse Using CAR CRASH as an example to FOOTBALL HANDBALL is insane tbh. It's not even close. UEFA themselves gave guidelines to refs that if the hand is in natural position to not give a penalty then.
@@Dany126PL his arm was fully extended out to the side. The only reason to do that is to attempt to make yourself bigger and then he swings his arm directly into the path of the ball. Nothing about that is natural. The "natural" wording of the rule is for situations where the arm is bracing against the ground or the handball is inadvertent, not when the player swings his arms directly into the path of the ball. And yea the car crash isn't a good example. But it's really easy to see a proper comparison everywhere else on the field. If a player is "trying" to play the ball in a tackle, but absolutely cleans the man out in the process, its still a foul and a booking despite him "trying" to play the ball. It's the top level of the sport, "trying" to do something but failing to do it is not a proper excuse.
As a fan of Germany all I have to say is this, I’m not surprised that something like this happened against Spain. One could even say I expected something like this to happen.
Are you suggesting that the match was rigged? Because if so bearing in mind that Kroos's takwoondo moves the referee could have left Germany with 10 in the first half and it wouldn't even had been controversial. The referee was just incompetent AF. Also you don't need penalties if you actually score your chances like Spain did.
@@rocktop-games no I’m no suggesting it’s rigged at all. I’m at the age that there is no perfect referee or game and it was tit for tat the game would be unplayable. I just expected an ending filled with bitter emotions and drama. I just never like this team since I was like 8. from the color of their kits to just about everything except the players. I love the people love and culture. I wish no harm against anybody I just despise the team
For me it's pretty simple; if the ball hits the hand and the ball is on target when struck, it's a handball. It's stopped a potential goal from happening with an illegal part of the body. End of.
It should be handball even if totally accidental. Simple. Therefore, it's whistle blow time and free kick or whatever to other team. In this case it's a pen. Or at least indirect free kick imo.
@@felixmustermann790 well UEFA has said that the specific handball that occurred with cucurella should not be considered a handball, so you're still wrong.
Ok, then it's fullkrug's handball, freekick to spain, whole sequence afterwards including cucurella's handball is totally invalidated. I mean, you can't go both ways, saying that Fullkrug's handball wasn't a freekick, yet Cucurella's was a penalty. And all that before accounting for the fact that IFAB and UEFA rules mean that Fullkrug's was CLEARLY an offence, while Cucurella's was not.
According to UEFA, the reason that this shouldn't be a penalty is because he is trying to make himself smaller, not bigger - which just makes it so much more convoluted than it needs to be. Did the ball hit his arm - yes. THEN CALL A PENALTY!
Anthony Taylor not even going to rewatch the Footage, not even listening to anything and then after the game immediately ditching out of the Stadium out of fear as an excuse for him not answering what led to his judgement is just nuts. Like at least let them know why on earth you made that call if there is so much controversy.
I love how everyone watching the game, me included, assumed it was called an offside before the handball. It was such an outrageous handball that we all accepted it was the only possible outcome, even if they didn't show the lines on the replay, as they should. And that was because there was no offside being called, it was all on Taylor. The reason they didn't call him from VAR is because he saw the handball and DECIDED it was not enough to call a penalty.
Honestly, in this case, it shouldn’t matter if the arm is in a “natural position”, if the arm prevented the ball from reaching the net. If it’s a random cross coming in from the edge of the box, yeah, don’t call a penalty if the arm is in a natural position, but if the ball would have been on target, it shouldn’t matter if it’s natural or intentional or whatever…
So not handball when making your body larger from a cross and it striking a hand but yes handball when it hits an arm by someone's side because it might be on target? Lol great argument
I as a German am so fkking disappointed, that Antony Taylor did'nt even bother to watch the situation as if he was in a rush. What a shitty way to leave this tournament in the own country, but still the way Germany played was entertaining and all in all i'm proud of this team. Sometimes very small things can change a game and when you don't use the chances you got, you get punished on this level. Why Nagelsman doesn't play Niklas GOATkrug from the start is also beyond me, when he came into the game, Germany played way better
I think the simplest way to interpret the rule would be to call handball A a deliberate attempt to use the arm/hand to touch the ball Or B you gain an advantage by contacting the ball. So an arm that is hit and deflects a ball would count, an arm against the body that is only hit because it is between the rest of the body and the ball would not.
It's not often I disagree with Z, but I do on this. He's in the process of moving his arm behind his back, therefore he is not deliberately blocking the ball or using his arms to make his body bigger. Spot on call from the ref that was made in real time, IMO.
it was cucurela fault that his hand was really wide before the shot as zealand was saying if thats the case defender should just put their hand as wide as possible and as soon as they are about to shoot they would put their hand behind their back and the opposition will have a harder time crossing/shooting past the defender
If accidental or not is completely irrelevant. Idk why youre trying to defend a decision that literally everybody with eyes in their eyesocket call a handball. Every expert and every ref expert that isnt spanish called this a handball
@@Tuck3tt it was really wide are we watching the same video? if we are talking if its a natural position one can argue it is but that applies outside the box, inside the box that hand position is just asking for penalties
But the fact is..... he DID block the ball and his arm was is in an unnatural position. This cannot be anothing else but a clear pen according to the rules.
Well, for me it is not that clear. Number 14 was already in a position to intercept but Cucurella had to correct his, and it is very hard to incline your body to intercept a ball with your arms totally closed. You need them to balance. In this situations in which the body is diagonal, a vertical position (pointing to the ground) of the arm is considered natural. So, when the ball hits the arm, it is not crazy to interpret that it is behind the body in a natural position. If the intention was to put it in the trajectory, the arm would have been moved forward, not behind. A somewhat similar example of this interpretation could be the Soucek handball (not awarded) in west ham this season. That was more clear in my opinion. For me this case is not that clear. What I think it is that the rule should change and every involuntary handball interrupting a well directed shoot should be awarded (no yellow card). But I am no ref.
Just wanted to add that the VAR judging was the same who was cooked after giving a hand penalty for Germany in the Denmark game. UEFA did great for putting the same VAR into the next German game.
The refs supposedly got a directive to not call handball when the arm is perpendicular to the ground, which it clearly is for Cucurella. I remember in the World Cup someone got a handball on an arm they were using to brace themselves falling on their butt. Both of those situations have a very natural motion of the arm where it faces straight down at the ground. This certainly would have been a penalty in the Premier League though.
Stopping a fall or a collision with another player is covered by "natural arm movement" or "natural position" of the arm/hand. That's what that phrase means, and that's why when you extent your arm to stop a fall or soften a collision, you will not be penalized even if you handle the ball. Both of this is not the case here, there was no fall and no collision with another player, therefore it was not a natural position of the arm.
I understand the ref thinking it was legit - the real tragedy is VAR looking at it and NOT thinking to challenge it. Let him look at the slow mo! Informed decision!
Ok, Zealand, I'm not going to blame you for this because probably, like many others who keep insisting on this, don't know how the rules work. At least not in big tournaments. I'm going to just ignore the fact that Fullkrug was probably offside when he received the long pass, and I'll just mention in passing that he DID control that long pass with his left arm (hence, it was handball, and the play should've stopped right there and then), because that's besides the point I'm about to make. Before every big international tourney, the competent ruling body (UEFA for the Euros, CONCACAF for Copa America, FIFA for the WC) establish a series of guidelines and recomendations for many things that will affect said tourney, one of them being refereeing standards, rule applications, etc. Once those are settled in, they go on and distribute them amongst the participating delegations, media, etc, so everyone is up to speed about what's going to be what during the tournament, how the referees are going to apply the rules, etc. So everyone is on the same book. Again, this happens before every tournament. Before the 2024 Euros that happened, and in between all those guidelines for referees UEFA established and distributed to all delegations, there was the following: *_"If a player’s arm is close to his side, pointing predominantly down/vertically, and/or a position behind line of the body when the ball strikes, it is not deemed to be an offence"_* Under this guidelines, Cucurella's is not handball. Endstory. You can argue with the rule being more or less adecuate, but it's a rule and the referee applied it. I personally think that handball caused penalties are always a matter of controversy, because there are hundreds of instances of clearly nonintentional handballs called as penalties, which is a shame. By changing the focus of the offence from it's "intentionality" (which is always debatable) to the position of the arm, I think they have given a step on the correct direction. An extended arm, even if unintentional, will always be penalty. An arm it it's natural position, it always won't. That's a very clear standard, very easy to follow, and not open to interpretations or subjective perceptions of any referee about wether a player wanted to put an arm somewhere or not. Again, this was known by everyone involved, the rule application guidelines for referees is released to the public well before the first match kick off. Cucurella's "handball" was not a handball. Or rather, was not a penalty. Agree with the rule or not, the rule is what it is and that was NOT a penalty. And I'll insist once more: What was a clearcut handball and should've been called as such was Fullkrug's control just before all this sequence happened. That shot should've NEVER happened anyway, because it was a freekick for Spain before it anyway.
100% penalty. Intentional? No.... but intention isn't relevant with the hand ball rule. I've seen these given many times recently, but also seen them not given too. It's a shitty rule and it just needs to be consistently enforced or scrapped.
At this point we need to remove the whole "natural position" bullshit when it comes to handball. There is WAY too much inconstancy with those calls. Just change it to handball whenever the ball touches below your elbow unless your forearm or hand also touches your torso. There will be more penalties, but the rules will be less subjective and english refs won't be able make so much terrible mistakes.
There is no inconsistency when it comes to "natural position". At least not in the rules and guidelines. It's just fans spreading misinformation to fit their narrative. "Natural position" means you can extend you arm or hand away from the body when you want to stop a fall or soften a collision with another player. That's it. That's all that this means. People use this "natural position" or "natural movement" phrase all the time, and don't know what it means. It means you are allowed to prevent potential injury without being penalized. In this situation, Cucurella was not falling and not in danger of colliding with another player, therefore the extended arm was not in a "natural position".
@@JonathanizerThen why wasn't this one a penalty? Something needs to change because no one and this includes the referees, no one understands the handball rules. Enforcement of them is so inconsistent that tossing a coin whenever the ball touches someone's arm would probably improve things. Rules need to be practically black and white if we are allowing terrible referees like Taylor and Oliver to referee anything above Sunday league.
@@ElEmElEkv13 Apparently Taylor thought Cucurella had his arms alongside his body, did not see they were extended away at an angle. The ref should have reviewed the situation imho. If he did, he would probably given the penalty.
@Jonathanizer If that's the case, the VAR ref should be banned for a significant amount of time from refereeing professional games for not making him go to the monitor. That's why he is there, to catch such mistakes. But they were both English PGMOL refs, and they only want to protect his colleague on the pitch instead of making the right decision. Just remove English refs from the international tournaments at this point. They are not good enough for Premier League, and they are surely not good enough for international tournaments. Especially when working together.
@@ElEmElEkv13 I am not sure how UEFA will handle this. They usually try to protect their refs, even if they made a mistake, but they also won't use controversial refs for the big games in tournaments. I doubt Antony Taylor and his team will be used again this Euros, after this situation...
In the post-macth press conference Nagelsmann said exactly what i was thinking: That he doesnt understand how the trajectory of the shot in question isnt taken in account. If that would have been a skyrocket, he would not give a damn, but this would have been a clear shot on target and allthough the goalkeeper might have been able to make the safe, it looks more like Musiala might have scored there, if it wasnt for that arm blocking the shot. I mean first VAR gives the silly handball against Belgium (you gotta feel for Lukaku), when the chip registered the slight touch of Opendas hand, then the VAR gives that ridiculous handball-penalty aganst Denmark for the idea of a touch (again registered by the chip), that didnt even change the trajectory of a cross, that would not have reached any target palyer and then we have this: a clear blocking of a shot, that would have been on target and a valid chance for goal and the VAR ... does nothing. What the friggin fuck? Did Cucurella avtively TRY to block it with his hand? no, but it happened anyway and how can intentional or none-intentional trump prevention of a clear shot on goal? Players see (even red) cards for accidental fouls, they never intented, why is this handled differently? I was allways pro VAR, but since the last PL season and the EURO i am like "Fuck it! if it doesnt really make a difference specially when it comes to crucial scenes, then just get rid of it. Add a "fairness-range" of 5-10 cms to the automated off-side or get rid of that too, because like this, when a toenail length is supposed to present a significant adavantge for the attacker, it's just as idiotic as the rest of VAR in its currrent iteration.
The rule has to go back to what it was originally, or at least a version of it. I think the ONLY two occasions where a handball should not be given is when the arm is literally glued to the torso or when a player is sliding and the ball hits their support arm (the second one is already pushing)
Cucurella said after the game "The ball hit my hand, but the referee immediately said no, no, no, and that made me feel better. If the refereeing experts say it's not a handball, then it's not a handball" It's such a *STUPID TAKE!!* Just because the ref said it's not a handball, doesn't mean that the refs option is correct. Everyone who saw this immediately knew it was a handball. Germany🇩🇪 got absolutely robbed... So many German greats (like Kroos, Müller, and Neuer) played their last game, and had their careers with Die Mannschaft ended by one of the most obvious refereeing mistakes in Euros history..
I think the reason why there wasn't a VAR check, was because Anthony Taylor was literally standing next to the scene with a good view on everything. Why show him everythign again, when he already saw it and didn't give a penalty?
This was the most obvious handball in a Germany match since Bastian Schweinsteiger in 2016 semis sailed through the box like Superman - arm stretch out front - to prevent a header.
UEFA gave a pre-tournament briefing about handballs and showed an almost exact example of this situation as NOT a handball...therefore according to the interpretation UEFA wants of the rules for their tournament, it wasn't a handball. I have the smallest violin for Germany, one of the luckiest international teams in history
People keep repeating this everywhere, but it is not true. The situation described that is referenced is a situation where the arm is behind the body and still touches the ball. Cucurellas arm here is extended to the side and at an angle. It's a clear hand ball in accordance with UEFA guidance, hence situations like this have been penalized throughout this entire season many times.
@@Jonathanizer When the regulations say "behind the body" they don't mean putting your arm behind your body touching your back, they mean the arm is backwards past the axis of the body regardless of what position it's in, like in Cucurella's case. If you watch replays from other angles you can clearly see his arm is slightly behind him.
@@MadLeds From the videos i have seen, the arm is on the same level as the torso, viewed from the side. So even with this new interpretation of "behind the body", that would not apply. I watched like 3 dozen replays of this situation by now, and while i did not have a strong opinion at the start, i am more and more convinced it was a mistake by the ref.
@@Jonathanizer Care to link any of those videos showing additional camera angles? I'm pretty surprised that German fans seem to have all of these extra videos and information and frame by frame analysis but when I ask for a link or directions to find those videos, there's none to be seen... Quite the mystery.
The rules analyst they use (i'm assuming you mean the woman) will literally always back the refs and var no matter what even if they blatantly get it wrong
No idea who you're talking about, I've never heard a woman rules analyst on TV. This was Mark Klattenburg who has not hesitated to say the ref missed the call in the past.
It's Anthony Taylor and Stuart Attwell in VAR, what were you expecting. Multiple people should've been booked from earlier, and some should've been sent off. But no. Tons of yellow, all are either misplaced or too damn late.
The thing is, I said myself that Kroos should have got like 4 yellow cards, but that's obviously an subjective decision, like Zealand said, you don't want to make the drastic calls like red cards or penalties in a high stake tournament game. But a handball and offside are just objective and binary. We all know he didn't meant to screw over Germany, he obviously didn't see the situation right, because he thought the arm was next to the body and not half a meter away. But not pausing for a second and talking with VAR is insane, he also knows that he has to pause the game for VAR to make a call.
It’s a penalty all day long. That being said switching Havertz for Fullkrug half an hour earlier would’ve been a total game changer. Guy was too much for the Spain defence to handle. Ball just kept falling awkwardly for the big fella.
I waited for this video because there is more things that make this situation even worse as it is right now. First Offside or handball from Füllkrug. A german TV channel looked at it and found out that with the technology they had he wasnt. This only can get proven wrong by the full technology the UEFA has. The handball of Füllkrug is to discuss if its changing the situation in benefit to him. Now about the main reason Handball. As Z said it even if it is a natural movement and he blocked a goalshot and thst is funny as it is outrules the other things of the Handball. There are many players eho blocked a goalshot with their hand by accident or natural movement thst ended in a free kick or penalty together with a yellow or red card. And this is part of the Handball rule for many years. Meaning as it stands as i say here it is a 100% Penalty especially if you compare it to other penalties through out the years. But here is where things get to zhe worst point. Through the german commentator it was said that the VAR contacted the Referee. Apparently they wanted to check this situation but the Referee Anthony Taylor denied it eith the words that He not wants to watch the situation again. He clearly denied the VAR to intervene this situation and check if everything was right. My thought is that VAR was against his decision and want to make sure it was correct. This is just my thought and may be caused from misunderstanding but knowing Anthony Taylor left before he even can explain himself in an interview makes it not better even if i misunderstood something from the commentator. I thought until writing this thats all But there is even one more thing that makes this entire thing the worst decision ever. The UEFA allowed it. Before the tournament started the UEFA made a new rule that makes it that it is not a handball if the arm is vertical to the ground in a natural way. This literally allows player's to use their hands in the box to protect the ball as long as its natural and vertical. We already have problems with handballs and instead of making it better and find a clear way they make it even worse and ruin an entire tournament. Its sad that the best game in the tournament is ruined by this one situation. As a german was already accepting defest before the game started and was fine with losing but this is nothing wlse then disgusting
natural only allows stuff like preventing a collision with anotherp layer or when youre on your way to the ground to not take the full fall to your face/body since those have been called penalties before and nobody liked that, so this situation is all on UEFA VAR and especially Taylor which is a disgraceto begin with that they allowed an english referee and VAR to officiate a germany or spain game (in this case both)
His arm is next to his body and attached to it and because his thigh is moving to block the ball. It hits his arm because its above his thigh. Yes you dont get it. You are talking about rules. They are laws. Its not about vested interests. Its about making his body larger by intent as you said. He is no more than 6 yards away
I think cucurellas hands are out of position because he’s moving towards the trajectory of the ball, and the other defender was standing still so he didn’t have the time to put the hand behind his back
he doesn't need to have his hands behind his back, it would be enough if the hands are alongside his body. If the arm/hand is extended away from the body at an angle, it is hand ball and should be penalized (unless it is to stop a fall or collision with another player).
No he starts with his arms closer to his body then deliberately sticks it up and out to his side as Musiala is about to kick. He then tries to pull them back in at the last second but is too late
Antony Taylor is the worst referee in the Prem. He had no control over that match. In my universe Toni scored that pen and got a completely different, worthy end to his career. Antony Taylor defiled a legacy.
@@Delusionaryvisionary_407 If this wasn´t a handball, than you are indeed delusional as your name claims...it literally cannot get more obvious than this
The ref had a poor game but the penalty call was right. The camera angle isn't great, but the ball actually bounced off Cucurella's thigh and onto his arm, ref got this one right. He knew what he saw and had the gumption to stick to his decision without allowing VAR to re-referee the game. This is how how football should be, VAR should be reserved for situations like Lampard's ghost goal or Henry's handball where the mistake is clear and obvious. The real scandal was why did the ref allow Toni Kroos to kick Pedri out of the match and consequently out of the competition? It was a deliberate tactic which the ref should have stopped early, but his failure to do so means Pedri now misses the rest of the tournament. Germany cannot feel hard done by, maybe if Kroos had concentrated on what he does best rather than kneecapping the opposition they could have got a positive result.
Should have been a VAR check for Handball (Penalty), offside Füllkrug and possible handball in the lead Up to the shot. Referee was bad on both ends, Kroos should have been booked two minutes in. Hope you had fun with the Türkiye v Netherlands game.
His arm was fully extended out to the side. The only reason to do that is to make yourself bigger. Then he tries to pull them in late, but like Z says in the video he just doesn't do it in time. "Trying" to do something isn't enough.
It was not a pen, you obviously dont understand balance and the natural movement of someones body when moving quickly. The Premier League tried to make it so if the ball touched your hand than no matter what it was a pen rule a few seasons ago and it was terrible and quickly dropped
My god all these guys screaming about the offside which he wasnt are so annoying everybody desperately searching for a reason to justify the ref is just annoying.
A prime example of a referee too afraid of being accused of deciding the game that he ends up deciding the game. Kroos should have seen the yellow card early on, but he was afraid to book the german centerpiece. Then that. A pity.
Zealand this is a shocking take imo. The rule says it's handball if your arm is unnaturally bigger, if you're closing someone down that's a perfectly normal position for your arm. You should not have to defend with your arms behind your back!!!
If the arm is extended away from the body (as is the case here), you risk being penalized if the ball is handled. That's what it says in the rules. No rule would ever says it's handball if the arm is "unnaturally bigger" as you say it. That would be weird. Like Popeyes arms or what is "unnaturally bigger" lol
@@leedsalex It's not a natural position. People keep using that term without knowing what it means. 'Natural position' or 'natural movement' in the context of footballing rules is short hand for any movement that is deemed necessary to prevent potential injury or harm. You have to have your arm alongside your body or the movement must have this purpose. For example, if you are falling, you can extent hand and arm outwards, and it will not be a hand ball, since you just tried to catch your fall. If you are colliding with another player, you can extend your hand and arm outwards, to soften the collision. Thats what "natural position" means, and only that. Was Cucurella catching his fall or softening a collision or in any other way preventing a potential injury? Clearly not. So it was not a "natural position".
We've seen those given, yes. But that should never be a handball. I think the frustration stems from other such incidents being given as a handball, which is fair. But in isolation, the hand is in natural position. And this decision should be used as a reference. "Cucurella's body language blah blah blah" yeah, he has been at the receiving end of those inconsistent decision making all his life, so it's natural he was scared that it would be unfairly given. After all, it's the same player who didn't get a foul when Romero had a death grip on his hair, and conceded a penalty when Haaland fouled him first and he pulled Haaland's shirt after that.
I don't think we can complain about the decision no matter what way it get's called. Claiming that it should have been a penalty is frankly too late, should have done that 2 days before the euros began. 1. Füllkrug's potential offside is irrelevant in the situation maybe he was offside, maybe he wasn't. He wasn't the reason this one wasn't called. 2. Anthony Taylor could have called it hands there and then on the pitch and we couldn't complain cause 3. applies in either case. 3. VAR is only allowed to be used in case of clear mistakes, offside or the on-field refs demand. Taylor didn't ask, controversial but whithin his right, so clear mistake? No, this is not the first such sitation to not get called at these euros, 2 days before the euros began the head ref gave a press conference where he showed videos of what will be called a handball and what won't. Reportedly a very similar situation was deemed not handball (If someone can find the video I would gladly watch it). So VAR would have put themselves against Roberto Rosetti's opinion. As such we clearly can't claim it to be a clear mistake and as such what VAR thinks is irrelevant overall.
Also a fact: Anthony Taylor was demoted to the championship for a game this past season for how god awful he is. I'm not saying he's corrupt, spanish fans would have had a bit to complain about if they had lost... just stating that Anthony Taylor shouldn't have been allowed in the arena if he bought a ticket, let alone been reffing a game in any euro match... is merit not even considered, or did the English federation send him to cause chaos because they can't draw him?
I just disagree strongly with Zealand on this one. 1. The rule he read is clear. Live and on the replay, you watch his arms move towards his body. Trying to clearly rules in favour of Cucurella. 2. This is the more important point. The notion that all defenders should have their hands behind their back is incorrect. It is supposed to be a fair contest. Defending while having your hands behind your back puts defenders at a significant balance disadvantage to someone who dribbles. That is why when a shot or a cross is taken defenders knowing this and seeing this, move their arms to be in this position. But before that their arms are in a natural position. And that is the correct place for their hands to be. That is football knowledge 101. Just because people have been 'nerfing' defending for the last twenty years doesn't mean we should make their job impossible. I was supporting Germany, but people trying to remove defenders from having arms are to me a big problem in the game.
Nah bro, I'd have to argue against it. You are claiming his arm position should be like the guy beside him, the guy beside him wasn't it the same motion as he, was he? And you saying "he swung his arm and it's like he's making a save" you just sound like you want to make a rant video about it 😅(I'm not even German/European and I've been watching you since 2020, but I just disagree with your point here, sorry😅)
If that’s handball then Germany should have been playing with 10 men. Toni Kroos should have been carded 4 times, even the commentators were commenting on it. Also Fullkrug was offside so it wouldn’t have counted anyway.
I thought auto VAR check was used (and meant to be used) for these situations? I'm sure it was used sometime earlier at this Euro Like, let the game continue but check in the background, idk
