Try using different mat to do product.acrylic productsfor box.pvc pipefor frame.price is ok.maybe go with old wood dont buy new.go with older look pn finishef producr.your work is excellant. El tejano
@@jesseramos1561 Thank you for watching! There's def a lot of different ways to cut on cost and still achieve an awesome product. Thank you for the comment!
Great video. I too make cornhole boards. Cost was one thing I had to look at because I was breaking even on them. Lots of people were buying them which inspired me to raise my prices. I think I was at $150 a set. I bumped it up to $200 and the orders got less. But at least I was making some money. I finally went to $245 a set. $250 seems to be that magic number that turns people off. I think your good on the price. I did however figure out a way to make my boards stand out from others by making them nesting. If you're interested, I can show you what I've done. I've always wondered what other woodworkers were using and charging.
@@kcluu9390 People really do either just don't care or forget that people have feelings. It's okay to think as such, but to go and post that was downright rude. Don't go on about how you just tell it like it is...that's just another way of saying I'm an asshole.
This is awesome. I just got into making resin epoxy boards . But I enjoy it so much I want to do more with woodworking . Glad your video was recommended. Subbed
Thank you for watching and leaving such an awesome comment! Woodworking is a very fun and profitable business to be in for sure! Good luck your epoxy boards!
Mr Zac how are you! I m watching all of your video. Perfect product and superb craftsmanship. But since it takes so much time to produce by hand, why not consider using a CO2 laser machine cutter to improve efficiency
$10 per decal for a custom decal seems pretty cheap! Is it a sign store that you got the decals from? I'm in NH and am curious what kind of places I should be looking into for that kind of pricing!
Michael Osmon right, he calls it select pine, which it clearly isn’t. But he also listed the price he paid later in the video, and that price was NOT the price for select. It was a common quality price. So he didn’t get financially ripped off at least. Mislead perhaps
@@bpmunroe well i guess youre correct there....in that case then hes advertising using higher quality material and this video shows him ripping off his customers. Someone definitely getting cheated
I didn’t realize that until I saw some of the comments on here, thank you for catching that! I always look at the tag at the hardware store and it says select pine, apparently not haha. Thanks for watching!
Thank goodness someone else has asked that too. I clicked on the vid (great vid btw) to find out and was none the wiser, lol. I guess there'll be RU-vid vids of people playing ...
@@Airbrush208 Yep that's exactly right! It's like counting money out there and I'm sure she appreciates the gifts that come from your woodworking business
I build mine with 2x3 edges and legs (2×3×8 are only $2 each). Makes them way stronger and cheaper to build. I've stood on mine and I weigh around 250# and they hold up just fine. The bags dont seem to bounce quite as much either. I can build a set for $50-60 and put a full top custom cover vinyl skin for an additional $45-55. Since they are custom tops of anything the customer wants you could probably ask for $250-300 with bags included. I've seen some sell for even more.
Great comment and I'll def need to explore your option that sounds awesome! Good job getting 250-300 those are some very healthy margins right there! I've always wanted to try and do a vinyl cover!
@@Rufio6814 ,It's probably because I have been a carpenter and cabinet maker for 29 years. Little things like that bother me. It's a lot like when people stain Pine or Basswood with Cherry stain and call it Cherry. It's either being ignorant or dishonest. Either way I don't like it. Btw, I don't think this fellow is either ignorant or dishonest, I think he is a newer woodworker that put his trust in a big box store. No harm, no foul. Btw, he could really cut down on his cost and up his quality by sourcing the lumber and plywood through a hardwood dealer and those carriage bolts, nuts and washer should also be sourced through a fastener supplier. He should have less than $3.00 total for the bolts.
My stores all say select pine and they contain knots. The section of Premium pine is knot free.... :shrug: I guess the lumber companies that source the wood are fucking stupid?
I don't think you charge too much. Your time is worth something and if you sold them for too much then no one would buy them. Some people have Champagne taste and beer money. They also don't understand that if you take care of the boards then they will last years unlike that crap at Walmart
Thanks for the comment! I agree there are people that will pay a bit more for a nicer product, you will always have those that try and cheat the system and get a cheaper set and end up buying a few over their lifetime. Thanks for watching!
Interesting to get a peek behind the curtain. One of the biggest things is that you have demand of people buying them, so you can experiment with price differences as you go. I hear some people talking about some of my pricing being wrong or whatever, but you have to have demand or you can't charge anything. ;)
You're right about that! The demand in each area will be a bit different so you should charge accordingly. I've noticed you're either charging too much (and don't get any work) or you're charging too little and making nothing. All about that fine line that takes a little to get an understanding of. I don't think anyone ever really perfects gauging what your work is worth.
Are those vinyl decals ? Did you use regular polycrylic ? Does it last on the vinyl (if it was vinyl) Would regular polyurethane or sparurethane work as well? It seems like they would be harder and stand up better, but maybe that's overkill
Mike Lovelace these are vinyl and super durable! You could go with a lesser quality since they will he protected by the poly. I always use water based poly since they won’t be exposed to the harsh element like outdoor furniture. The pile based urethane like polyurethane and sparurethane add a yellow hue to the decals so be careful of that! Thanks for watching Mike
Using the Kreg jig can make the amount of labor seem minuscule if you have space to store flat stock. You can cut and drill everything when bored and nothing to do. When you get an order, you start assembling and finishing. I like your method using the kreg. I've always done the screwing from the top and cover with wood filler. Your method I can set aside a small amount of space with everything flat and have everything for 10 boards ready to go when an order comes through.
Yes that is exactly right! Usually when I have time I will cut and use the kreg jig to do some holes then pre assemble prior to an order even coming in. Thanks for watching!
Matthew Reitz I usually get all of my orders from Instagram. I tag as much local hashtags as I can think of and that usually drums up some business. Also once you get your portfolio going then people start referring their friends. I typically stray away from etsy and shipping because I don’t trust my board getting there in good shape
Zac Jones I was thinking about making some unique ones for Etsy but once you factor in shipping, forget about it. You’re lucky to have such a market local.
Thanks for the info, do you have a video on the process of how you started sell your stuff? Was it word of mouth or internet? Thanks again, lot of good information.
Thanks for watching Tim, funny you ask that, I'm actually making a video about that now. A majority of my sales come from Instagram, then word of mouth. I got in real tight with some local businesses and they recommend my boards to other businesses as well as private sales. Get a good reputation building good quality anything and word will spread like wild fire
I should have clarified that. My price only reflects the board set. I'll always tell my customer that bags are not included in the price. I usually refer them to amazon for bags that are reasonably priced. Thanks for watching!
Craig Wilkinson I’ve actually thought about doing that but never actually did it. That’ll for sure strengthen them up, probably doesn’t add a lot of weight either!
I make cajon drums. I use Baltic birch because it’s the best wood for sound quality on drums which translates into costly. Factor in hardware and knowhow then your looking at minimum $125 for the bigger drum. Now walk into any music store and you’ll find they sale for less all the time and being a small independent drum maker I can’t compete with the big name drum makers. I love making drums and I love drumming so it’s a difficult choice I’m faced with. Cornhole boards seem the logical switch for me so I’ll give it a try. All my tools are Harbor Freight and I don’t use a table saw at all. My cuts are occasionally straying but that’s why God made sandpaper 😳. Everything I know about woodwork came from many hours of RU-vid videos and books. I’ve found that wasting a $37 piece of wood is a great deterrent to being lazy and sloppy so scrap wood has become a no no to me. Also, you teach good habits so thank you for that.
Looks good to me but you shorted yourself $50.00 should have been $351 in profit correct? You said $250.00 but your mathematics showed $225.0 a set correct.. anyways niece job thanks for the info.
We actually have a Cricut. Only thing is the decal could only be a solid color and the size is limited to 1'x1'. I usually go with bigger decals if I can. Great suggestion and thanks for watching! I'm going to check your channel out right now
How do you market yourself? I made a similar set about 10 years ago with custom graphics and I’d like to parlay my skills into a business. I’m already a freelance artist/designer but business has been tough since Covid.
Informative video but I am confused by your math. You say at 7:18 that you sell these for $225 which comes out to $450. ?? So, do you sell a set for $225 or is a set $450 and a single board is $225?
Thank you this was good information, I'm looking into starting to build and sell boards. One question, my big box store 4x8 sheets of ply wood are not exactly 4x8. are your boards exactly 24x4? does this mean I need one 4x8 sheet to make two boards? thanks
One way to save a little time is to setup a router jig template that quickly places the large hole in the correct spot and use a template bit, it creates an amazingly clean edge no sanding required.
Dennis Pope crazy thing about that is I actually upgraded to getting that exact jog. Best $40 I’ve spent, plus my arm and wrists are saved now! Thanks for watching!
are you using a hardwood plywood like birch or maple? wondering why not the $30 sheets of pine ply instead? since you use select pine for the boards anyway just curious
SkinnySkinch I use the 3/4” ply wood usually maple or oak veneer. In my area it costs about $52 for a sheet of ply wood. I try and get the best quality I can find
How do you like that pine? I use the same stuff but only for legs. A lot of the stuff they have at HD is warped and pricey now. But do u use anything else now?
Thanks Adam I'm glad you appreciated that! You may not start off making what an Uber driver makes but the long term skills you pick up will last a lifetime and will be way more profitable.
Hey Zac, great videos and love your presentation style. Maybe somebody asked you already but do you also provide the actual bags for the cornhole game? This is something I hope my son will be doing when he gets to high school and develops some entrepreneurial skills!
Sorry I missed your comment! I do not provide the bags. These are for the boards only, I usually direct people to amazon or a few local spots for bags here! Hopefully you and your son get some good business! Good luck
Great video. One question though. Why brush on the Polycrylic as opposed to a small HVLP spray gun? I got three for $10 each at a Harbor Freight Parking Lot Sale awhile back and have gotten to using noting else with water based Poly and lacquers. No brush strokes and nice even coats.
Funny you said that Rick I have since bought a Fuji HVLP spray gun and I can never go back to brushes again! the finish looks so much better than it did with a brush! My intent with this video was to show how anyone can get in on building boards for a small side business and I know some people may not have a compressor or HVLP gun. Wanted to show a bare minimal way to assemble and finish these boards. Thank you for your comment!
Uriel Valdez I agree with that! I think developing a skill at a young age is a lot more valuable than working somewhere else! Thanks for watching Uriel!
Hey Zac, miss your videos man. That seems like a lot of money for the boards, but I’m not looking to buy one. What really matters is whether or not you can sell them, and you are. That’s an excellent business to get into and I’m glad it’s paying off for you. If this reaches a younger audience and inspires them to do the same thing, I really applaud you. We need more people in this craft! And hey...stop being a stranger, I miss your videos!
Thanks for the compliment Rob, I've really missed making videos recently! I'm hoping this inspires some younger people to give woodworking a try, it'll teach you a really helpful skill and build up some awesome business relationships. Definitely a better option than working at a minimum wage job (not that there is anything wrong with that either)!
Melrose Design Company what I notice about woodworking is my confidence to solve real world problems. Finding solutions and not giving up when I hit s problem. These are skills every kid should have going into the real world, and if they can make some money along the way...even better!
Now that lumber prices are higher, much higher (3/4" plywood in NY is between $50 - $75 for a 4 x 8 sheet) do you raise your price to cover the cost increase? I'm hoping to get $200 for a set but that honestly doesn't give me much profit.
Yes I always increase my prices if materials increase. I communicate to the customer during the initial solicitation that lumber prices have driven up my prices. If the customer is a fan of your work 9/10 they will pay for it. The woodworker should NEVER absorb the cost of raising materials prices to get a job. That hurts your business and if the customer is unwilling to pay an extra $25-$40 to cover material costs you probably shouldn't be working with them. Thanks for watching!
Why can't you get (4) 2'x4' boards out of a standard sized sheet of plywood? Your cost analysis of one sheet of plywood (looks like birch) at $52 assumes it is good for one corn hole board. I would use poplar for the sides which is inexpensive and is available without knots. Stained and polar will not appear green. Good job! The video appears a bit too dark, at least on my end. Can you do sports teams without having to get a license from them?
Thanks for watching! I could upgrade and do poplar on the sides which I have in the past, a lot stronger than pine that's for sure! The video is really dark, when I was filming I mistakenly underexposed all the shots while shooting LOG and it was very difficult in post brining the highlights up so it turned out dark unfortunately
Whoa. 225$ for cornhole boards is like 20$ for a BigMac. Any non-corporate customer that pays that is damn fool. Plus you gotta spend another 40-60$ on bags! This guy needs to figure out ways to get his costs down if he plans to be profitable long term, if thats even the goal here.
Tate Dillow people keep ordering them, so the price isn’t outrageous. Dicks sporting goods sells a set for $150 that is made of plastic, these will last a lot longer and sturdier. Thanks for watching
@@ZacJones I scrubbed through pretty quick like 2min. Good production quality though, I'm sure others will enjoy the full presentation. The beauty of YT, we can all go at our desired pace.
Been building them 7 years now. I router all edges top and bottom, design and make matching embroidered bags, use no decals, only stain, and same price...I think I gotta up my prices. Neighbor sells premade Chinese boards he puts a decal on, no clear coat, sells for $220 all day long. I'm doing something wrong but I'm nonstop busy all summer.
Really good to know! I think I could up my price a tad but I think the market would get a lot smaller. Chinese boards suck haha yours are probably way better
Also router all edges after a few times of bags being ripped open from hitting corners. I sell $225-300 depending what is added. Probably made about 200 sets so far with orders coming in weekly
You're not doing something wrong people don't appreciate good craftsmanship they'd rather buy that crap pre-made stuff than something has been made with some skill
I just started making mine and did a price breakdown. Withought my time its $130 to make a set and polyethylene them. Thats 3/4" birch, Stainless fasteners, and double bracing. Built to ACL specs, cant get a set sold for $200. I enjoy making them, and have jigs setup for everything. Kreg, hole cut, red zone, etc. Id say your price is on point.
They are a game that is played in the US, sometimes called bean bags. You get 1 point for getting the bag on the board and 3 points if you get it in the hole. First to 21 wins. Thanks for watching and sorry for the lack of explanation on what they are.
Great overview Zac! I really liked the breakdown of it as a side hustle. Planning to build myself some and you are always the first person I think of when I think of cornhole boards😀👍
I’ve been slowly getting more and more into woodworking. Been buying more tools, experimenting with new materials and techniques. I have been thinking about starting to make boards, but wasn’t sure how much money could be made off of them. Thanks for the vid 👍🏻
No problem! I’d strongly suggest getting into them, super easy to build and great margins! Also opens the door for other woodworking builds that challenge the mind a little more. Good luck with your small business!
How do u get 2 sets of boards out of 1 sheet of plywood and still end up with the boards being 2x4? You lose 1/16 with every saw cut right? Measurements dont add up, or am I missing something?
I’ve been making cornhole sets for a few years. Very basic. I sell them to an art shop that does projects with customers and my cornhole boards are a good seller. If you’re wanting to start selling these please take my advice and invest in the kreg pocket hole machine. It’s 429$ but it cut my pocket hole portion down from 18 minutes per set to 3 minutes per set. 1 10 set order paid for the tool and my arms have thanked me ever since. You don’t have to have it but when minutes are dollars it by far saves the most time of any other stage of cornhole board assembly. The next would the hole, I bought the 6” hole saw and a strong corded drill. That 200$ investment also makes the hole stage 3 times faster and gives a super clean hole.
Hey i cut my hole 🕳 a little too big. I didn’t have a 6” hole saw at the time and didn’t want to spend the money so I used what I had which was a jig saw. Any tips on how to patch the edges to make the hole smaller? I was thinking some time of screen and wood filler, then I could re-cut to the correct size
people in this area ( indiana ) will never pay that price i have even made some with glow in the dark paint and other features. such as handles and score keeping. and at 175$ a set i get told my price is too high. i am making peanuts at that price. so good on you for being able to make and sell them at that price.
I’ve heard similar accounts in other areas. When I first started out I sold them for $150 and i received feed back that that price was too low so I upped my price as I built my portfolio up and found a good price for this area in Virginia! Good luck, hopefully you can get that price up more, they’re a pain in the butt to build
@@ZacJones sounds like you are in a great area for it. keep it up man. i am currently experimenting with different projects to see what is more profitable.
🙌🙌💰💵💵 Get it, Zac! Love this video - 4 hours sounds pretty quick for these, but after seeing the simple painting/finishing process and outsourcing the decals it makes perfect sense!
Thanks you two! The 4 hours is probably cooking it when it comes to building more than 2 sets. I've noticed that it takes about the same amount of time to build one set compared to two. I probably should include labor costs for sourcing materials like the ply and hardware but did not include it here since its probably unique to each persons case. Thanks for watching! We should colab in the future, it could turn out pretty neat.
57 years old.... cornhole? Ummmmmm no. If you wanna swing that way, well ok. No thanks. Pretty funny play on words all in all... Cornhole board.... lololol
Looks like we are neighbors. I'm here in Portsmouth. I just bought a 8 x 12 shed from Old Hickory buildings and I'm making it a wood shop. I am a welder/fitter by trade, so I hope I can use much of my skills to build some corn hole boards. Thanks for sharing. subbed you. I have a channel, if you are interested in Metal detedting. LOL. take care.
My wife and I are also in the decal business. We do decals, car vinyls, shirts, hoodies, hats a d even shoe laces. All self taught and I love what I do. Love the DIY vids. My father in law and I made a Broncos cornhole set using his carpentry skills and my decal skills. They came out awesome
DELUSIONAL GAMER that’s an awesome tag team project! I bet they turned out awesome. The decal itself can make or break a set in my opinion. I’ve had decals in the past when I first started that I ordered online and they were all pixelated. Had to throw them out and find a better quality decal. Thanks for the comment!
@@mikegillaspy1721 Ya licensing is important if you are selling them. However if they are personal or a gift I think you're covered under the decal makers license with any sports team. Great point!
A2Z Geek you are the first one to say that, and I completely agree! I shot in log for the first time and thought I was properly exposed but was completely wrong I didn’t realize it till post. Glad you enjoyed the content at least!
Melrose Design Company that actually explains a lot, log is meant for people wishing to color correct, your likely exposed correctly but your shots have more dynamic range which gives the appearance of being to dark but it’s because the camera is attempting to capture the most information it can in the blacks and prevent other areas like overhead lights from over exposing. If you do it again just bring up your exposure when you edit and you’ll be golden!
A2Z Geek awesome advice thank you! I did attempt to color grade and correct but that didn’t go well on this attempt. I think I’m getting a bit better at it on some future stuff coming out. We will see though! Need to watch more RU-vid tutorials about it 😅
You can get a machine to make the decals yourself for a couple hundred dollars instead of having to spend $10 each time. If you make $181 in profit, you just need to do that twice, then invest it into a decal cutter and then your profit margin increases by $10. You can use it for years across lots of different types of projects.
Greetings from Southwestern VA! I find that the $225 price point is a little tough to hit here even in the college town of Virginia Tech. you said four hours to make two sets of boards? Does that include painting time and so forth? You've gotten very efficient at them!
AC Nailed It yes it does! I only do a quick stripe around them which takes no time at all (doesn’t include dry time) love the Blacksburg are! Especially in the fall!
I found a wood wholesaler in my area and get birch for about 1/2 of HD... why would you not rip the 1x4’s from the plywood? Do you make designs in the cornhole boards or paint them?
I need to check on going to a whole saler. I like using 1x4 on the side because with a 4x8 sheet I can get 4 tops instead of just 2. Not sure if it saves me money or not but I think its easier telling the guy at the store to rip it in half each way. Thanks for watching!
KelMaster Construction very good explanation! There are a bunch of benefit with going with 1x4 opposed to ply on the sides. Thanks for the comment and watching!
I had no idea that boards could sell for that much in Virginia Beach. I live here and had been thinking about making them to keep the shop running in the slow times. cool to see someone in the area making decent money off them
That sounds like an excellent future video idea! I get a majority of my orders through referrals and Instagram. I do a lot of boards for businesses in the Virginia Beach area. A lot of the business owners are friends with one another and generally refer me to other business/ people.
I used a router for the sides. If you don't have a router the pine is actually soft enough for you to round over using an orbital sander, just takes more time and wont be as round.
@Zac Jones Well done. Using wood glue will make the boards a lot stronger. Have you thought of making your own bags to go with the set? Big margin in that, check out this short video. m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jFa7tXPs5_o.html People will pay a bit extra for quality & supporting local businesses. What about a latch at each end & a handle, carry 2 boards easy & store bags inside?
Thank you! I actually purposefully don’t glue them down for purposes of storing. Not that it saves a lot of space but technically the customer could take them apart if they wanted to. And I have thought about it but just never had interest in sewing to be honest 😅
Dennis Pope ya all these prices are based off HD or Lowe’s suppliers. I could looks for cheaper Ply at lumber yards like you were saying. Thanks for watching!
Melrose Design Company I’ll second what he said. I buy most my pine based stuff for small projects at big box stores, but for larger stuff or hardwood, I go to a local lumber yard. In example, Lowe’s by my house has red oak for double the price of the lumber yard. The lumber yards hard maple is almost the same price as Lowe’s select pine. That’s a HUGE difference.
@@JeremyB8419 Great call on that! If i do a hardwood project I'm 100% going to a lumber yard to get the best pricing. For small projects like this I go to my hardware store right around the corner and pick up exactly what I need, Thanks for the comment!
Agreed. At a lumber supply, you will get better materials for what you are paying in pine. You can then market it as a much higher end product, which it is. Plus you save on the ply.
Regarding the price you charge. Some customers buy products and services at the lowest price possible and some pay more. I believe there is alway a market for quality and quality costs more in labor and material. People who say you charge too much may want to buy the lower quality product. Simple supply and demand. Good video!
I agree 100%,, I actually started out making lower end boards with 2x4's and half inch ply unfinished. Obviously I got less for those. Upgraded a few parts with nicer wood and made it as custom as possible which in turn made the build more fun and more profitable. Thanks for watching and leaving a great comment!
Are you also providing the bags or do the customers have to provide them themselves, most sets of 4 I’ve seen in my area run about 25.00. That’s another 100.00 give or take for the 2 sets you built.
I give them a few places they can find some bags. I’m not very strong on sewing so I usually avoid it, but great point about selling for more and making it more turn key
I've never seen "select" pine with that many knots. If your lumber yard is calling that select you need to find an honest lumber yard. That looks more like #3.
If you are going to make more than just a few of these, find a different supplier than the big box stores. You will get a better price, certainly on the 1x4, at a lumber yard. Also buy your hardware in bulk and save a lot.
Brian Munroe ive looked into that as well! Probably a higher quality ply wood too! Bulk hardware is super cheap and I’ve actually since bought a huge pack of like 100 carriage bolts and accessories to bring that cost down!
What about shipping costs? Please help me understand that aspect of it! If your business blows up and say I want one in MI, then what? Would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks
Hey Will, havent figured the logistics of shipping just yet. Currently there is a lot of business for them where I live in Virginia Beach so I haven't really thought about extending any further. I have gotten info on shipping costs and they vary substantially. There are programs out there where you can pay a monthly fee and ship pretty cheaply, the boxes do cost some good money. For now me and my business will stick with local, too much risk in shipping right now.
I make mine similar. I cut the 1x4 at a 45 so you don't see a raw edge. I use Titebond wood glue on all my boards. I have a buddy custom cut my vinyl decals, and a awesome older lady that makes the bags. I have found that putting poly over the vinyl, it sometimes tends to "bead" on the vinyl.
Nice work, I use 3/4 plywood for the tops, and 5/4 deckboards ripped in half for the frames and legs. (Pocket holes too) Usually around 6 bucks ea for 5/4 boards and only need 2 per set of boards. I did that to save weight and $$
