'This Is La-La Land Isn't It?' | Former Post Office Boss Paula Vennells Grilled At Horizon Inquiry 

There IS NO JUSTICE. this is the uk. Wake up. Better justice in Korea……

Starmer let off Jimmy Savile as proven by MoS expose' by Dan Hodges. Savile got away with it. Rich & woke get away with it a lot. So Will Vennells get a life sentance?

There’ll be no justice because it will be claimed she would not get a fair trial, since it’s all being televised. Now find a jury who has not watched or developed an opinion on this case.

She won’t. Part of the establishment, taking millions of public money for their own benefits. The world is full of them.

@@custossecretus5737 agreed, and I think that’s been engineered as damage limitation by the government . The plebs see her squirming but to prison they ain’t going.

And her salary and Pension.

And the bonuses paid out to all the others whose deceit led to this abominable miscarriage of justice,who all should spend time in the clink as well.

What laws has she broken?

Perjury

@@robertcook2572Conspiracy to defraud, and pervert the course of justice. Any more questions?

Except even hell will have troubles placing this minister.

She`s had 5 years to practice her performance .Another fail .

Amazing memory of fine details that bolsters her defence and no memory of anything that incriminate her.its disgusting.surely most people can see this

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Like Bill Gates said when Microsoft was being investigated for monopoly practice in the 1990s. _"No-one told me, I didn't know, I can't remember."_ Sounded like a petty crook being questioned by the police. They are either liars or incompetent - take your pick.

​@@lexlayabout5757incompetent liars

bang on!! A CEO who knew nothing and was involved in nothing!!

Never has credulity been stretched so far.

@@danielbate13 Highly competent liars.

Part of her earnings should go to those affected!

All of her earnings and more

at one stage she was on over 13 grand a week.....nobody is worth that much.....power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely...

@@olias2716 That's basic salary, isn't it. The proper earnings of all those CEOs are in bonuses, aren't they.

@@thetruth9210 If there was even a slight chance of that happening, her accountant would be working on it day and night, so that legally she would appear to have not a broken penny to her name.

Why do you think she got her job in the first place? She's fulfilling her role as a corporate drone immaculately. Her tears on Day One were perfectly timed.

Yes, she does. She says “guilty” !!!

It's literally laboriously painful to listen to this arduous woman. All sympathy to the people who suffered for her wretchedness.

Actually she cannot make a complete concise sentence, all is interjected with other sidetrack statements. It’s of no surprise that nothing was straightforward under her tenure

Maybe saying nothing tells the most

With all assets seized!!!

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Life!

Capital punishment

They need to count up all the jail time the sub-postmasters & mistresses served & hand that down to each on of them on an average it would be over 100 years, this would keep them out of society for the rest of there lives, remember 'an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, especially in Ms V's case as an Ordained Minister/

After taking the oath on the Bible, too!

Lies , lies and more lies..

She’s lying she scared to go prison

@@ololiver92 the bible is a book of lies anyway.

What was the government doing when all this scandal was being brought to the attention of the public from private eye and other media outlets . The whole post office senior management and directors during this scandal where all complicit in the cover up and must pay for this corruption people died" and went to prison ruined lives made bankrupt thru their lies and corruption.

And two yellow cards for time-wasting = 1 red.

Part of the legal game I'm afraid....

Repeat the question is delaying tactic. So she has more time to come up with another lie.

Put in place to be the fall guy.

Fast tracked to raise the female quota? My local postwoman is a stonger personality, and more honest I'm sure. Better looking too, but that's a very low hurdle.

My very thought.

It is so embarrassing to witness someone so poor, for even being considered for such a big job. Her appointment ' commitee ' must take the blame....Or were they setting her up for the inevitable fall ?.....

Salary..£700,000 per annum or £14,000 per month.

Yes shocking and it prob would have still carried on 😢

Yes agreed

One of many in this corporate gravy train culture.

Aunt Sally Vennells is just a punching bag for a instutional system that's not what it claims to be. To limit this only to Vennells is to be distracted to the interlinked network of institutions that wanted this scandal buried.

If you believe what she is saying that is..

The passivity is just being projected now, because she’s trying to avoid criminal prosecution.

@@robertosborne7542 I get it that she is trying to distance herself from what she was responsible for, and that comes at the cost of making herself look incompetent. Much like most of the other people who have been questioned, but they can't have it both ways.

Even if govt could do that, her lawyer will have already protected her cash and assets. If she has broken actual laws the Police and CPS will force her into a trial, and she might be jailed. For me, I’d prefer she was heavily fined. Jails are full, 3 yrs of community service would be better. She’s a corporate player, she’d be comfortable in jail.

@@CalTheKiwi1 It's not just jails are full but WE pay those bills. I object to paying for her food and accommodation and perks in jail. In spite of her incompetence she got outrageous salary and bonuses and must return ALL of that towards paying for her jail term. and same for all the others who'll be jailed and what's left over must go towards the compensations. As for protecting her cash, if it can't be got at, she will have to work her jail term and work after to pay back her debts and ditto the rest of them. Jail shouldn't be lazy fun.

Definitely, she has yet to admit what she really knew when and take account when she really knew. I feel really sorry for all the post masters😢

Not at all surprising. Senior managers in most companies are chosen for their ability to obfuscate and to have a very flexible relationship with the truth.

It seems all the PO managers have 'Dementia' level memory loss!

Taking lessons from Nicola Sturgeon.

Must have been something in the water at POL offices, they all have it.

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I have worked in two large corporates and as many others will have experienced, there are frightening parallels with my own recollections of some of the worst standard practices of them, with their closing ranks when threatened, bullying, isolating individuals they see as a potential threat. This case will be studied for decades by business students to exemplify the very worst of bad management practice. There are lessons to be learnt by many corporates in the exposures of bad practice laid bare here, putting the benefit of the company way ahead of the rightful benefit of individuals working within it.

@@jamesrussel1133 They won't learn, it's not in their interest to acknowledge anything like that. When you read the pages of Private Eye, it never seems to end.

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She is _doing_ her job which is to protect the Post Office not its postmasters whom she, and it, despise.

Yes, the problem with corporations is the job of the CEO is to maximise profit. That’s it. There’s only corporate/societal responsibility if it affects profits and is a company target.

She thinks it's all someone else's fault.

perhaps its early onset d

Most of them seem to have Alzheimers. No wonder the PO is such a mess - Alzeimers employing more Alzheimers.

She was using the church as a smoke screen to deceive the public and the world

Which is also a pretty big black mark on our media, this should have been front page news ages ago

It's not normal to blink that much.

yes i picked up on that

Sure sign of trying to cover her tracks

Absolute Narcissism

@royboy50. I would love to see an analysis of these frauds done by body language experts.

@skooshy621 Yes it is amazing how far you can get in life if you can talk a good game. I suppose it is salesmsnship!

This is just an enquiry. Hopefully things will be handed over to the CPS to decide if there are criminal charges worth pursuing. Hopefully so.

Same with covid inquiry. Drag it out for years ,exonerate all those involved and make the lawyers very rich.

So your saying she stole money 😂😂😂😂

​@@revd.phillipwallace-pugh9955 the CPS and the police will do fuck all about it they're also corrupt and rotten to the core and often piss in the same pot as people like Vennells

All the “stolen” money went into a special account that was for unaccounted money …

It's the Old Boys Brigade. Is it coincidence that Sir Kier Starmer claimed he couldn't find enough evidence to prosecute Sir Jimmy Saville who just happened to be best mates with paedophile royalty?

Unfortunately not

Yep. Nope.

It's only an inquiry, not court.

She’s going prison

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It's a select club. Self selecting self serving club. It is an echo chamber of these types on a merry go round of well paid "jobs" tgat are nithing more than seat warming.

its just part of the requirements for the job

People like Vennells normally befriend senior managers, kiss their arses and show they are good at their jobs so the managers then see and think they have a friend and thats where it goes wrong being friends with your subordinates leads to favouritism and loyalty so these people get promotions because of that whilst more competent employees who don't arse kiss their way up get overlooked. I've seen it many times poisonous and incompetent people befriend the managers for an easy time and utter cunts to their colleagues then they get promoted and you see their true colours

It's easier to get a women to bend, the love of money 🤑 and I'm speaking in general

Requirement of the position.

Compensation should be paid on top of the money that was stolen from the postmasters, it was theft, plain and simple.

and tax free

​@@Woofersgaloreone would hope so but knowing the nature of HMRC they will try to stick their greasy fingers in any cash that passes to the postmasters.

@@karlmylnere5712 I know, all we can do is hope. 🤞🤞🤞🤞

The word is”liar”

In future her name will be in all dictionaries synonymous with your description

The word you're seeking is vennellish.

I dont believe she was incompetant,this is an act.

what about dire

and the Tories's playbook.

I think you will find that this is a Tony Blair government computer system and they were never going to admit that it was a total disaster for the amounts of money it cost just one of the many Blair's government fuckk ups

I've been waiting to see any reference to her involvement in the Church. I could NOT believe anyone chosing to "Make a mission of providing salvation, except for those rotting in jail on my account".

She seems to have relied on 'faith' in every aspect of her life. The more I hear about the Post Office the more it sounds like a cult. She drank the koolaid.

At least if that came true, she could only do ‘damage’ to those who believe in sky fairies.

shows the calibre required

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But nobody knew, nobody can remember, everybody covering their own bk sides

They knew because Computer Weekly outlined the issues but they decided to write it off as a trade magazine that didn’t know what it was talking about. How they decided an IT trade magazine didn’t know about IT based on their own lack of knowledge escapes me

Looking at this shambles it’s probably next on her list.

It was worse......she became an ordained Padre in the Anglican Church.

I simply cannot remember. Who am I again, by the way?

Because its convinient

Money

Because at this stage the goal is to avoid being criminally prosecuted.

Legal advice, if you can't recall the details clearly and there is no written proof then you can't remember, unless the incomplete memory you recall is helpful to your case.

We'll never see her in public answering questions again after this. It's a small price for her to pay compared to what her organisation did to the postmasters.

@@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx alas, I doubt she will ever see the inside of a prison cell. Look at grenfell

​@@TabsT-vy5jy Exactly. Vennells and the MP's all piss in the same pot. She'll be allowed to keep her millions and her pensions of course but the subpostmasters will get a small fraction of what Vennells earned and got through deception and dishonesty

Without having to face any consequences...yet.

Good point. The question of why did Fujitsu behave in this manner hasn't been addressed at all. Hopefully, it will be when some Fujitsu creatures eventually give evidence.

Exactly. Nobody seems to be addressing this fact.

Remote access is entirely normal in this kind of system. You couldn't possibly manage a network of 11,500 branches without it. All banks and retailers have the same capability. The problem is that the remote access was done using the sub postmaster's account and there was no audit trail of the access.

It seems there wasn’t actually any missing money. The bugs just made it seem there was.

@@grahamf695 There's a difference between remote access to maintain and update the system and to change or add data. The latter should have been inaccessible.

The Second Sight guys seem to have done a good job of straight talking.

She is a liar but the blink,blink theory is complete rubbish.. people can do it through anxiety and stress it doesn't mean their lying.. psychopaths and sociapaths can tell complete lies without blinking an eye..

This isn't about Royal Mail, it is about The Post Office, two totally seperate businesses.

@@D4SSuk I know, I was talking specifically about Royal Mail though.

What does that have to do with this inquiry? They split from the PO in 2012 and were privatised in 2013. Have you noticed how much other things have gone up since Poirot was knocking about? You know he's made up right?

Its an act,she surely must have known what was going on and went along with it.

Connections, went to the "right" school. Etc etc.

True , but let’s not us get her out of our sights .

They will ALL get away with it. If one of the top folks goes down for this, it sets a precedent for every Boss and CEO in the corporate elite to be vulnerable and repsonsible for their actions. They cannot have that.

You are absolutely correct.

But she should not get away from the fact that she was responsible for the PO precisely at the time that innocent people were being convicted. She has no excuses. She was paid extremely well to do a job that, clearly, she was not capable of doing.

The Buck stops with her that’s what she got paid plenty for . Yes the others down the line are all to blame as well and each and every one of them has to pay all the money they got in bonuses and perks. As what they got was all stolen !!!

Welby is cut from a similar cloth to her-why feel sorry for an institution which employed such an incompetant liar?

It didn't stop Justin getting the top job !

Not like a priest to lie ask the choir boys

Just like wee Jimmy cranky 🙈

I loved the Post Office because they thought I was worthy of the job.

she is in the same mould as hilary clinton and bill

English?

@thetruth9210 I’m a lawyer. The lawyers are doing very well. Especially Mr Beer, who is brilliant, but others too. It’s an inquiry, where the main goal is to get her evidence out, whether it’s lies or truth, to get her to answer questions & give her version. It might look like they’re not pinning her down, but it’s just that they stop when she has given her position & held it after being confronted with the opposing facts/arguments. They don’t need to call her a liar every time. Later the inquiry judge will assess her evidence & credibility against all the other evidence & documents.

She was the creator and so destroyed lots of evidence skip loads very scheming but to the average joe just full of shite

@@meganm1074Yes, I agree the lawyers are doing very well, particularly Jason Beer and Sir Edward Henry. And I understand the situation they are in - it’s a public enquiry, not a court of law. What I was getting at was that she was the CEO of the Post Office, which made her responsible whether she likes it or not. I saw elsewhere that she said that,even as CEO, she wasn’t responsible for everything that happened underneath her, or words to that effect. If that were true, it would merely support her position (which, as far as I can see, every senior member of the Post Office who has been questioned has adopted) that everything that went wrong was someone else’s fault, because she didn’t know or didn’t have the necessary expertise or hadn’t been told. It was her job to know, and also to ask some pointed questions rather than just fling out a few ineffectual ones and then go along with whatever she was told. Before retirement I worked for some very senior people in the police service, and none of them would have accepted some of the things she accepted without asking some very serious questions. I wasn’t seriously suggesting the KC’s should ask her what she thought the job of a CEO was, but I would have been very interested to hear just what she thinks it is !

The DWP has a system in place that they use all the time.

No- not competent enough!

@joyplummeridge6940 Yes this is true. The PO can do themselves a favour by carrying out a full audit of fujitsu staff or can they?

I don’t think money actually went missing? It was the bugs/remote access that made it appear that money was missing.

​@@meganm1074 But the submasters paid their own money to plug the supposed gaps. Where their money go ??

​@@josephinedewar4469- into the Post Office's profits - which is why no-one, from the Government down through the Post Office's directors, asked any questions.

You have a misunderstanding. We are not talking about bank accounts, we are talking about a system which says "you have £x in the safe". Fujitsu can only change how much money the system thinks is in the safe. They cannot transfer money to other places as it is physical cash.

🤣...what a fine mess they’ve got themselves into! 😂

Or Rodders 😂

Steptoes daughter

Needs a mirror.

No doubt she will be given another high position

@@susanmarch1661 She already has one.

@doctordeej Perhaps Companies need to look at their whole interviewing process from top to bottom including their own woke prejudices.

@@williamweb9782 Woke?

@@doctordeej I think jobs are given now using the smart technique where a man has to play the role of a white knight to get the job. Meanwhile employers are looking for social inclusion to make themselves look good for their HR department. Stoicism nowadays will get you nowhere despite the fact that the whole infrastructure of the country was built on it. Paula Vennells was clearly not the best candidate for the job but clearly the whole place was a shambles.

She wont go to jail,they never do-best outcome would be ordered to pay back any bonuses,lose her pension and be barred from being either a chairperson or director again,tho,she is basically unemployable now anyway ,even the CoE dont want her!

"We know they are lying. They know they are lying. They know that we know they are lying. We know that they know that we know they are lying. And still they continue to lie." -Alexander Solzhenitsyn