'HOW Could You Not Have Known?' | Former Post Office Boss Paula Vennells Grilled At Horizon Inquiry 

the law applies to you and me brother - but not to them.

There are "in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”

Are you still under the illusion they are the same. They get these jobs because they are ruthless, cut throat people. And they all know they are immune to prosecution, Ask bojo johnson

Shes not going to prison

It just doesn't apply to "them".

Spoiler alert… she won’t be.

If a male was in this position I would expect arrest already

But she cried!

Have sympathy and love my friend. It’s good to have sympathy and to be loving.

@@patinho5589 things should be done to her as they have been done by her unto others Treat her as she treated others

I totally agree, and her front to accept her award from the queen knowing full well the wrongs she had presided over, and preaching to others in church too. An appalling person, clever, manipulative with it.

Don't forget the poor souls that have died before being exonerated and even worse the suicides....it absolutely DISGUSTS ME!

@jamesrussel. Her supposed Christianity is yet another layer to this, that leaves me incredulous. If she really believes in Christianity, what does she think will happen at the pearly gates one day?! Does she believe if she just says 'sorry I didn't know' and 'I don't recall', she'll just be waved through to heaven?! Or maybe she thinks if she gets around to admitting the truth privately to her God (and 'repenting' then), she'll get a free pass. Though I would suspect loopholes like that don't exist, with an 'all-seeing, all-knowing' God, i.e. doing whatever you want (including continuing to lie, and distress the victims further), because you'll just get around to 'repenting' on another day. Sure, plenty of people fake being religious, for some sort of power. But why would she? She was getting plenty of power, status and money, in her other job appointments. So why would she need to fake being religious, and spend her rare free time, becoming a lowly vicar? Maybe part of it was to project a 'moral' persona - but I'm not convinced. She was well-respected in the elite (enough to get her jobs she wanted), without that. Or she could have sought 'moral status' in something else, that was more interesting (or at least, more interesting than preaching a religion you don't at all believe in - charity work, perhaps) So I'm assuming she probably DOES hold religious beliefs. Which makes it surprising, if she DOES believe in hell.

Her church should kick Her out also!

I don't agree. She is very smart and an accomplished liar who knew exactly what she was doing. This ignorant front she is trying to portray is just that - another lie! I do wonder if individual staff can sue her personally?

No she knew- it just wasn't in her own best interests to stop the prosecutions and admit fault . Not only because of the effect on her career, but because the PO wouldn't then be able to keep taking the accused people's money, and they'd have to be compensated. So she would then not be able to take this money herself, which she did in bonuses. She clearly didn't care about the people whose lives she was ruining in any way. She's not sorry for she did , as you can tell from her performance here.

She's only guilty of being 'incompetent', in terms of her morals and ethics. She ISN'T incompetent, in the sense she didn't 'know' - or that she was 'too trusting'. The evidence was overwhelming, that she DID know- and indeed, she actively interfered (on multiple occasions) to try to hide the problem. There's the email (in 2013), in which she said she'd accept the PR guy's 'steer' (after he emailed her about limiting a planned investigation into miscarriages of justice, because otherwise the sheer number would make the Post Office front-page news). Hell, she even attacked Susan Crichton (a legal advisor) in writing, after Crichton didn't knobble an independent investigation (by Second Sight) in the Post Office's favour (an investigation that DID find multiple problems, in 2013). Vennells complained that Crichton put her 'professional ethics' before the Post Office's reputation 🤦‍♀️ God forbid somebody should try to apply ethics as a first priority, over a business reputation!!! After that, Crichton was banned from board meetings. I could go on, listing the dozens of other evidence pieces against Vennells. But they are far too lengthy to write in a YT comment. Vennells has never harmed me personally, but my goodness. She has deeply offended my sense of justice, on a level I didn't realise I had. She's infuriating, how she's STILL trying to lie her way out of it. 😡

@@crazyhai8155 What I find interesting as well is shes not just lying so that she avoids the legal ramifications of admitting anything , she so arrogant and deluded that she thinks people might actually believe her, so she does the crying, and the comments like 'I wish I did! [know]'. She doesn't even realise playing on peoples emotions isn't an option at this point - everyone hates her guts. She is clearly extremely narcissistic. Every time there's someone like her in the news - absolutely shamelessly immoral,greedy , entitled, arrogant, hypocritical, and deluded, ruining hundreds or thousands of lives, I always think 'Another f*cking narcissist'. Trump, Boris Johnson (most of the Conservative party in fact), Jeff Bezos. It's these guys who are ruining the planet and people's lives.

She will quickly slink back to her mansion to sip champagne olong with the rest of the post office apparachiks

Sums it up

@@oldneo4309 fabulous

PERFECT

Nice one

😅😅😅

Sounds right

I think what happened was they initially couldn't believe the system was making mistakes, then it got to the point where their story was so established no one wanted to believe they were convicting people on the basis of faulty data. Eventually they had invested so much time and effort into protecting the Post Office and some of these scum didn't want to have to potentially repay bonuses or face actual consequences for their negligent behaviour and hoped they could kick the can down the road a couple more times so their involvement would be hidden from view. Unfortunately, this enquiry was set up and it's not going away until this whole sorry mess is dragged into the daylight, Paula Venells' et al should be imprisoned and then be sued civilly by the sub-postmasters and bankrupted.

Good

That is correct. She is the amplification of the British class system gone wrong.

correct .

Good point !

And she must be immediated defroked as an Anglican priest.

You are too forgiving, sir!

That is the point if she gets away with it the nobody can have confidence in the law

@@blue47er The maths say different, 900 convictions at 1 month per conviction is 75 years, and 236 prison terms is another 59 years at 3 months per innocent jailed. Basically throw away the key

For granite faced lying I do think good old Angela is so far the clear winner. That said Jamal I Didn't Know How to Save Documents is a definite runner up.

You’re absolutely right! Saddest rankings I’ve ever heard… but correct! Vennells is a diabolically cold evil Witch!

And a woman of the cloth, she actually stood up in church and preached to her flock KNOWING WHAT SHE DID AND DIDNT DO

She has had long enough to practice!

@@denise4487And the sheep were sitting there and listened every Sunday, gave their little envelope with money and were happy to shake her hand when they left. Idiots

She ain't gonna spend one day in prison senior managers are never held to account Hillsborough, Lucy Letby etc all senior management have had no further action. She will walk away scott free and be allowed to keep her multi million pound bonuses and pension she got through deception and dishonesty because the government and people like Vennels all piss in the same pot. If you notice all that bollocks Sunak talks like passing a law to squash the subpostmasters/mistresses convictions but hasn't told the PO to pay those people their money back along with interest and the value of their houses that they lost. He's hoping the public will be satisfied with what he's done so far. Its funny how the PO were allowed to abuse their powers of prosecuting innocent people but can't abuse that same power to do the right thing and give them their money back.

"If any person lawfully sworn as a witness or as an interpreter in a judicial proceeding wilfully makes a statement material in that proceeding, which he knows to be false or does not believe to be true, he shall be guilty of perjury, and shall, on conviction thereof on indictment, be liable to penal servitude for a term not exceeding seven years, or to imprisonment . . . F1 for a term not exceeding two years, or to a fine or to both such penal servitude or imprisonment and fine".

It always surprises me as to how many lawyers tell lies in Court in writing and in person. The SRA are weak and clueless about acting.

Doubt it, the establishment protects its own.

But not if you are of that class!

CEO of royal mail, like every other we've had since, they're picked for they're ability to lie, cover up, totally disregard the problems till its too late, leave with substantial/obscene amounts of money, for inept decisions, a golden handshake for the privilege,leaving the company in disarray,to move forward and do the same to another company !!!!.....keep focused looking at the future of Royal Mail, the clues are there.........

Get the popcorn

When she was awarded multiple massive bonuses she didn't say 'no thank you, I barely know what's going on here - I don't deserve this'. Funny that.

corrupt world that we live in - means that those at the top get paid the huge amount that they do in order to neither know nor tell anyone else.. see Succession..

No, it isn't very Christian, but then neither is she.

it's very Christian of her to lie, religion itself is a massive lie

The CofE has strayed far from the path...and is all about a class system rather than spreading the word of God.

They have no technical ability and that's part of the problem because they then don't know what questions to ask. It's akin to a accountant trying to run an operating theatre. Or MP's trying to understand Covid Jabs, they are all clueless !

MPs the same. Were they picked for these very qualities? So as to be easily controllable by the elite who pick them?

This is an interesting point I've seen made multiple times today and it had never crossed my mind but I think you're spot on. When politicians bang on about having a 'productive' economy they never make reference to the managerial class do they. But we've all laboured under absolute imbeciles, even at the very top. I guess a class-obsessed society reaps what it sows.

The same can be said of the politicians over the last 50/60 years, utterly useless spineless traitors all of them.

She probably doesn’t sweat

Far from clueless, she knew what was going on and continued with the lies. Crafty b !

Just like the rest of them "she don't know nuthin'."

She not clueless she is playing a blinder with rewards to someone who knows everything but is good at plYing dumb

She's not stupid, she has this worked out to her best benefit. She's very cagey she's trying to navigate the least incriminating course through this. On the otherhand she was extremely incapable CEO and not a good enough person to be in such a role. I ll have to research how she got such a role ? Are the leaders in other businesses so crap?

Dont believe that for a second- this is all an act

Exactly if you ran a large store in town and the people on the tills kept saying there are hundreds of pounds missing from the till at the end of every day you wouldn't just ignore it. And if you did you were negligent or part of the missing money problem. So many people suddenly turning criminal and all of them saying it's a fault of the system. The first thing you would do is immediately stop using the system. You were then track the people who were not using the system and those that were and see there that the problem was the system

Also the fact that hundreds of thousands of pounds were being paid back to the post office by the falsely accused postmasters and being kept in a fund for later use. I was amazed when hearing of the large amounts being supposedly stolen by them, I mean would anyone seriously expect to get away with such large fraud attempts and more importantly, why didn't the top brass think it was strange.............

I think it’s time that was changed and that outlook. There’s alrleady public outcry. Its ridiculous. ❤

It’s hard to imagine a more corrupt country than GB . It’s riven by nepotism , freemasonry, shady deals done in smoky back rooms and the general public are treated like utter fools . Covid changed the landscape forever because the powers that be now KNOW that the people are basically sheep , who can be coerced and threatened to do anything that the powers that be deem usual for them . I’ve actually emigrated now and I don’t miss a single thing about the U.K. ( apart from my family) . It’s totally unrecognisable from the country I grew up in back in the 60’s , 70’s 80’s and 90’s , totally gone to the dogs .

Don't hold your breath.archer did

And she's a Minister of the Church! How could she possibly do wrong!

​@@Pinkyandthebrain290 there is no public outcry 😂 you mugs will all vote in size weeks for another version of corruption, criminality and subversion

Don't be fooled - someone or some people skimmed a lot of money off the Fujitsu contract, my guess is Paula venells, Angel Van den Bogart and Jarnail Singh are all deeply involved.

or the brown envelopes to get her off

To be fair parcels is the only part of the business making a consistent profit.

Yep. She has clearly decided it's better to be an incompetent fool than a liar and a fraud. Unfortunately what she has done is demonstrate that she is all three.

I'm just hoping that someone, anyone, will decide to tell the truth and risk the consequences. I think that it would work in their favour in the long run.

For God’s sake? FFS she’s an ordained minister of the Church, and was considered a candidate for the Bishopric of London. Such people confirm the reality of my atheism.

@@rogerwells6807 It certainly questions the judgement of Justin Welby. But I think everyone already knew that.

@@rogerwells6807I agree but if there were not so many sheep there would be no church.

THE SO CALLED ELITE💩 ARE THERE TO TAKE AN TAKE FROM THE PEOPLE. THEY ARE PSYCHOPATHS

He's brilliant!

Spot on one of the best silks I have seen

Not just a vicar, she was being backed by Justin Welby to become the third highest ranking minister in the C.E. Now he has backtracked and has asked the obvious question of how she wasn't vetted properly.

Almost as if religion isn't actually a true expression of anything and has always been means of power and control. 'Hey I can't be a bad person, I talk to the magic man in the sky'!!!

@@seamus7054Surely he should be doing the vetting for that position?

Paula Vennells is a great example of what a true Christian looks like. Judgemental, superior and as dishonest as they come.

Friends of Welby don't go to jail period

Probably because the judges and the juries believed the falsehoods presented to them by the Post Office and their 'expert.' It is the mentality of 'Experts must always be right.'

@@dovetonsturdee7033 Exactly. The courts can only act on the evidence presented to them by the prosecution and defence teams.

@@dovetonsturdee7033 real experts usually are right, fool.

That is a very fine point

THE VICAR of GLIBLY. Don't want to trivialise this when innocent people have been imprisoned, and lives ruined, but to sit their and visibly feign remorse and hurt, while concocting transparent lie after lie is unpalatable. Surrender dignity , alongside the C.B.E.

@@nickgoatham7981 she never had any dignity

The vicar of Fibley

So much about the Church of England...

Happens every single day

They almost made her a bishop!

So much about the church. At least she didn't abuse little boys and girls unlike many of her fellows in the church. Only good thing you can say about her

I’ll Help to reconcile it. You need to understand all human psychology to do that reconciling. The answer is that most behaviour (99%) is driven by fear and pain… seeking safety.. and also they in organisations a group mentality is involved of competition and representing only your organisation. Then there is also the milgram Experiment. 60% or more of people will electrocute at over 300 volts just because an authority figure tells them it’s part of an experiment and that no permanent harm will be done to the person.

@@flowerflower1392 how can you be so sure?

They’re always the worst ones; the ones who think their god is their side.

Alright, alright. No need to shout 😳

@@digitalimager4946 pretty sure that text not vocal😂

... unless it puts them in a positive position... mysteriously otherwise they do not remember...

I wonder if there will be some sort of medical council convened to investigate how cases of Very Specific Dementia occurred in one Very Specific Building

I would have employed almost none of them paper shuffling liars

@tariq_sharif yes. Funny how they can recall stuff that in their eyes may get them off the hook, look favourably for them

Its a brief moment but when it happened i felt as if were 'Im really one of you please help' type smile . PV has somehow learned to word salad and divert facts away from her. She answers this enquiry in the manner she does under high pressure seat , In her own office she must of had many rows . No matter what you find im not to blame here attitude .

The word you’re looking for is far more serious; accountability. These people must be held accountable for their actions.

Absolutely....because she's been caught....she'd gladly have thrown them all to the wolves, I hope she gets jail time the lying B!

And still compulsive .

I spent 15 years teaching. I've seen it too, women and POC over-promoted, people who aren't good at their jobs but who say the magic woke terms.

A bit off topic , a post from a desperate Tory who knows the Torie are toast

@@melvynparkerson9984 This all started under Blair. He forced Horizon through, though not fit for purpose.

Agree they’re all acting like the new messiah bliar all our prime ministers have taken on that mantra ,I would love to see J B interrogate bliar on his wmd and the 45 minute claim ,what a complete set of incompetent traitors we have in government and in the rest of the establishment

The art of Weasel Words

@melvynparkerson9984 , not off topic at all Blair forced Horizon through, please do your homework before you make outlandish and incorrect accusations, you did get the fact that the Tories are finished correct but that took no intelligence whatsoever, oh and I’m not a Tory

Eddiedegoede. Start laughing

Yep they'll all walk away. The PO will be given guide lines on how they must change their practices

Not negligence, incompetence.

@@davidtuer5825 Yep! Both. Problem is people don't go to jail for incompetence. Stupidity isn't illegal whereas gross negligence can be a crime.

The ideology is alive and well in the ‘ western world ‘ at least!

😅😅😅😅 g'day from Fremantle western Australia

Great comment, watching this from Australia 🦘 came here as a child but still english......just

Yes. The inquiry has questioned solicitors, internal Post Office & external ones, about what they knew & their duty of disclosure. There will be disciplinary proceedings against some after this inquiry.