This is one of the best CPUs for the money right now, but... 

What a deal!

Ugh, I both love and hate this hobby so much. I paid $225 for mine like 6 months ago -___- I just couldn't wait, I had been dying to play Zelda TOTK on Yuzu at a decent frame rate, and my i3-12100f just couldn't give me above 40. I got it on sale at Best Buy for around $225.

That's insane, it's 200€ here in Italy...

i picked one up with the zip promo. gonna sell my 12400f and basically get a free upgrade

Just had a look at Newegg and for the UK shipping is generally £25 - £40 on top of the component's price.

Dude, that pairing is amazing. Great choice! I’ve actually been thinking about upgrading my 6700XT to a 7800 XT.

@@alexanders.4591 The 7800 xt has been amazing. If you're looking at playing at 1440p or 4k its perfect. Just with the 12400f at 1080p the 7800 xt does not get fully utilized

Yeah nice performance boost from the 12100f for sure, though that is still very impressive considering it’s a quad core

@@RandomGaminginHD I'll you, the 12100f is a phenomenal chip. If you aren't concerned with the extra cores, it performs almost frame for frame with the i5-12400f.

Have a bunch of Thermalright coolers cooling our 12400F, 12700KF, and 12900KF rigs. Were great B760M and Z690 deals last year on boards and DDR5 deals (probably should have went D4 to save but the boards cost the same at the time I acquired everything).

Me too. I ve taken by some daye my 12600kf, with msi mobo ddr5 and thermalright assassin cooler 5 pipes ( amazing cooler). My cpu on full load do not go over 60 degress!. Watching videos on youtube seems, this cpu is super hot, but it s not true! I think depends how good you put thermal paste on it and the quality of it. I used mx6. Love this cpu so much, very economic but very powerfull for that price. No reason to but a 13600k/14600k for double price. I ve invested for a good case thar moneys 🙂

Agreed and IMO Iceberg is criminally underrated

That's nice to hear, what is your GPU ?

They're both a refreshing change from the usual RU-vidrs putting a 14900KS and a 4090 in every build for sure! I love seeing just how well older and/or lower-end tech can do. I was running an i7-2600 and a GTX 260 then 770 then 1070 for ages and it proved to me how much performance modern hardware has and how you don't need to drop $3k on a PC to have fun.

Iceburg has good coverage on the old x99 platform

@@fallnight I have been GPU hopping for the past year. Started with an i5 4'th gen/gtx 1060, landed on my goal of i5 12600k/RX 6800XT about a year later from building and selling budget rigs on mercari (that's why I love these channels so much!) and the 6800XT died and I replaced it with an RX 3080 to mixed satisfaction. pretty disappointed with the RT performance, but I got it for $300 and it's a custom modified card cooled by an aio instead of the heatsink, fans and shroud that it came with. Happy with my Frame rate, upset with the 10GB of VRAM failing me in 4k RDR2 while my RX 6800XT handled it swimmingly. RT performance sucks. Can't get a 60 fps average in Elden at 1080p, let alone 1440p, with RT enabled even if I'm on the low preset for everything else. Will most likely never go NVIDIA again! I also can't see the difference between FSR and DLSS once I get to 1400p/4k. Both of them suck at 1080p anyway, so I can't see a reason to justify spending the premium on an NVIDIA card when AMD just seems to outclass them in every way since RT is just pretty much unusable unless you are on the 40 series anyway.

not just that, it's also the only thing that can hardware decode footage with 4:2:2 chroma which a many slightly more expensive cameras can record in. consumer nvidia or AMD GPUs just don't do that.

Computation power true, but 14refresh uses a bit less power on the same clocks between 10% - 20% but it's rarely mentioned in the reviews.

Nope it costs 170€ + shipping

Maybe you should consider other vendors. CPU prices are really low atm in germany.

Only the fanboys are still considering a Intel these days. Just go with the Ryzen 7800x3d.

If it was me, I'd choose either the 7950X3D or the 14900K. Maybe even the 14900KS if available.

are those the prices at mindfactory? At Mindfactory, AMD processors outsell Intel processors by an insane margin. It's not even 2 to 1. It's more like 8 to 1

I have a 10600k and I see absolutely no reason to upgrade any time soon. It's keeping up just fine with my 3070.

@@brando3342 i also have a 10600k, on a 7900 xt, and it's crawling. going to upgrade soon.

@@bearfm Really? What is it crawling for?

@@brando3342 for gaming: struggles even at 1440p (though the bottleneck is alleviated at high settings). mostly struggles with video editing and general use.

@@bearfm Interesting. I play mostly at 3440x1440 and haven’t managed to max out my CPU. Although, I think Red Dead 2 is probably the most CPU intensive game I’ve played. That game taxes the CPU quite a bit. My home PC is mostly for gaming. Maya is used for work, but through a remote connection.

Noice catch, hey I am looking to upgrade my CPU (i5 7600) and eventually GPU 1070 What CPU/Mobo/Ram did you go for? I think I will have to set up a deal alert or something 😅

Oh and one more thing, did you play for higher fps or better GFX usually? I tend to lower res/gfx in favour of fps. (Even story games)

@@tenchuZsenran the motherboard I got is MSI PRO B760M-A DDR4 WIFI. I originally wanted an MSI PRO B660M-A since it was reviewed by Hardware Unboxed but It's not available at that time and the closest one is PRO B760M-A and on sale. Just don't get LGA 1700 mobo without vrm heatsinks. The ram I got on sale is a kit of G skill ripjaws V 3200 cl16 (2x16GB). I prioritize sustaining 60 fps so I will lower settings if performance can't sustain 60 and I will increase settings if I'm over my refresh rate. for my setup usually DLSS is enought to reach 60fps while using high settings.

​@@masherjoker25I see, so you aim for 60 only. I personally prefer 120, but I guess 60 with nice graphics is nice too

​@@masherjoker25i am going itx will need to check mobos, I do have an MSI now as well :) Is there any issues with heat that's why I need to go for ones with vrm heatsink? (Currently my setup is basically open case and will do an inside the desk pc)

I prefer RT off when it's an option. I found Raytracing disappointing even with 12900KF 7900XTX in Avatar last December. Am sure it's also not good on my 12700KF 7800XT.

The bottleneck RT is probably not the processor but the graphics card.

4070 ti super would be great since it has 16gb of vram

@@i-Envy. True but its a bit too expansive for what it is (70Ti Tier) if i have to put this much money i really want a huge jump in performance. i dont appreciate newer games really the next big one is gonna be GTA 6

@@remstesthd6784 Well a 4070 ti super is 1.6x the performance of a 3070 ti but I understand the price is bad, I had an asus tuf gtx 1650 g6 and went to an msi ventus white 4060 2 weeks ago and it was amazing seeing 3x the performance of my old gpu ik it’s not the best choice out there for a price of almost 330$ but i wanted a card that would be good for streaming and recording in general since I’m planning to start a youtube channel really soon this month so i went with that instead of the 3060 which was actually a little bit more expensive or the rx 6650 xt which was the same price here in my country

That’s awesome I’ll have to test it out

What load voltage?

This new Megahertz War isn't any good for consumers. At that point, you are burning a lot more power for very little performance increase.

and, its still +15% performance from the stock 4.5ghz all core. Thats pretty good man who cares about power get solar​@Lurch-Bot

yeah the 13400f is basically a lower binned 12600k but damn is it a good performer, been using one myself

@@amadii8768 These 12th-14th gen cpus have been pleasantly surprising imo, I have a I9-12900k, its a beast of a cpu but even like the i5s are performing as well in terms of games

They're similar, except the 13400f is clocked 400MHz lower on all cores

Can't OC 13400F tho.

Hi!

SO he is also 1 of the steves?

@@mikkodoria4778way to many steves man...

@@nicane-9966 not enough steves 😆

You can BIOS flash for 14th gen also an option if you want to drop an 13th/14th gen into that board to upgrade. My 12400F is paired with a 3060 12gb. My 12900KF is paired with a 7900XTX, 12700KF with a 7800XT. If you play highly cpu bound games you might notice a difference in upgrading cpus. My 12700KF can't raid and discord without microstuttering when I heal the floor during raid. Your B board does limit the TDP on the CPU, some performance loss if paired with a K chip, not huge. I did test 12700KF with 7900XTX also. I play 1440P but your resolution/use case will also be something to think about. I might pick up a 14700K for one of my rigs to upgrade. Casual gaming I found 12700KF fine really just a shame every time I have to consider upgrading again.

You’ll definitely notice performance improvements for sure

If the i5 has the igu built in as QuickSync is a must for AP and Streaming.

@@NathanBinks will the 14600k work on B-series MOBO?

@@misterhoudi2824 you can check the cpu support list for your motherboard on the manufacturer's website. You might need to a BIOS update for your motherboard to support the 14th Generation i5.

its pretty much the same performance you should go for 13700k instead

Solid CPU, Picked mine up last year $215, still see the deals around 200-215 USD. Granted 14700K(F) exist now around 400. But you can pair 12700KF with Z690. Used a B board before I upgraded mine. 12900KF is stronger than my 12700KF. But 13th/14th might be a better buy as improvements were made. We have a 12400F in the house for office/NAS. The price matters a lot you could make a reasonable cheap 12700KF for sales if they stack. A 13700K/14700K if you have the budget would be slightly better in how long it will last before wanting another upgrade for gaming.

@@chasethefeel Not the same (extra cache, cores and clocks), the 13700K is pretty much a better 12900K, 25% higher multithread perfomance vs the 12700K while pulling 60% more power. It's an overrated CPU.

@@saricubra2867 350$ for 13700k that has 30mb of l2 cache or 200$ 12700k which has 12? 12600k and 12700k are the same product for playing games. 13700k beats 12900k in gaming.

yeah it would be very nice, the 12700kf is 190dls right now, i dont think there is anything better for workstation cheap, and solid for gaming.

Z790 has better memory support assuming DDR5 speeds, Z690 I patched them for 14th but ending up shuffling around the computer ram kits so each is QVL now, that seems to be good. I've spent more time than I cared to tuning DDR5 on B760M & Z690 boards, I start with 4800 supported speed for 12th gen and try XMP on/tune the memory on each machine, 5600-6000 seems to work most times. Sounds like a solid build. There is more performance in Z board pairing with K chip, not limiting the wattage to the CPU (as a B board does). I've used the 12700KF and 12900KF is my main still (might upgrade a machine to a 14700K). You can always upgrade the GPU later if you feel the need. Pairings I have B760M with 12400F 3060 12gb, 12700KF with 7800XT, 12900KF 7900XTX. Upgrading from a 9600K originally to a 12700K it was noticeable how much more snappy the desktop and game felt, 1440P didn't stutter. Only gripe I have 1440P 12700KF has some raid microstutter that the 12900KF doesn't. But it games fine outside of that highly CPU bound scenario. P cores E cores has been a great experience, I was worried about it coming from the 6 core 9600K with game compatibility and whatnot. I actually found with 12700KF & 12900KF some games I have to cap frames.

@@dianaalyssa8726 Fantastic reply TY so much for this, appreciated .

Most don't upgrade for many years. And at that time, you would have gotten a new platform anyway.

😁

In productivety yes worth it In gaming depends on gpu This cpu max supports rx 7700xt without bottleneck on 1080p

Yeah but remember you’ll need a new board too :)

​@@mrshinobigaming8447 Wrong information..7700xt not for 1080p Also 10400 bottlenecking check tests bf2042 and The Finals....

They both draw almost the same watts, and one is 125W down to 65, while the other is 65W up to 125 LOOL and both have 150W PL2, just that the K is unlocked, has an unlocked SoC voltage too and unlimited PL2 Tau Limit, also the igpu is better, so in general the 12600K is better.

My 24/7 o/c is Pcore 5.0 and Ecore 4.0 on all cores. It can do 5.3 all cores but then I have to downclock RAM from cl16 DDR4 3600 to 3500 due to ring clock. I'm running it on a Z790 that I got a good deal on refurbished. I purposely bought older gen for this new build due to bang for buck. My 12600KF was $140 pre black friday in the states.

Lol you already know the answer is no although i completely agree these features just neuter performance.

I've got an rx6600 with an i5 4670k. Definitely thinking about that juicy 12400f upgrade. Nice rig

@@DaCicatrice Yep I'm forced to upgrade now, B85 motherboard died yesterday. I don't wanna spend more money on this platform so I just put my pc aside for now until I save up money to upgrade. I'll just sell the 4460 and DDR3 ram for some extra cash.

Yeah the 7500f is amazing at the right price

Generally speaking, if you have a decent cpu you can get closer to 6 or 7 years before you’ll notice a difference. I’d also recommend looking into a 5800x3d and keeping your same motherboard and ram, that thing is a beast

You have a bunch upgrade options on your AM4 platform, Why change everything? But obviously the new computer mindset playing a part here lol

@@Dag242Films The motherboard seems a bit problematic(certain BIOS options, such as virtualisation will cause blue screens every hour or so, and yes, the BIOS is up to date, really hurts for emulating old games from when I was a teenager), and I like the idea of having e-cores for background tasks, as well as DDR5 RAM.

@@mozzjones6943 It's literally turning on virtualisation in the BIOS causes my computer to blue screen every hour, once I turn it off it stops. Plus, the main issue(for some reason I forgot) is that the board only has 1 NVMe socket and I'd long(I mean 2 years here) run out of space on my C: drive and everything is being thrown onto SATA drives, which are also getting increasingly full. I do have a free PCIe socket to plug an extra SATA controller and enough power cables to handle it, but that sounds like a cable management nightmare.

How big of a difference does QuickSync make in video editing?

@@xuimod I don't have specific numbers to give you. The overall experience is smoother, as long as the software supports quick sync of course. Even if you use an editor which supports GPU rendering, there is always some off loading to the quick sync. Now if you also do other things, say you are rending something with the GPU and say watching RU-vid videos, this makes it smoother too.

It's crazy how people buy the latest stuff without even waiting an year to see if it has any defects and for the prices to drop, and then 2 years later QQ about the big price drop LOL

@@chovekb I wasn’t gonna buy an 11600k and be stuck with no upgrade path on an old socket…

@@charliesretrocomputing There are another sockets too, you know xD

@@chovekb Yeah I probably should have went for am4 but Intel works better for what I wanted, a gaming capable cpu with a lot of cores and high speeds for virtualization and general tasks.