But the whip cut in half the umbermoth with ease, Quimir should be dead, if it was the light whip, unless she can lower the blade intensity to prevent it from cutting deep into the flesh
@graedee6666 well depending on how far away she was. Was one of them moving. Etc. I totally think it was the light whip. She seems waaaaay to sketchy to not be involved haha
@@TheHipsterGamer I wouldn't recommend a group with unchecked authority. But a group who could help investigate issues within the order. The Jedi High Council reports to the Senate. And Jedi are realizing they don't report to the council if they want to keep secrets... With this type of freedom. Technically the higher-ranked members of the order have unchecked authority to do their own thing, if they just don't inform the council.
Roe was his master, that's been made fairly clear with the whip and his scars and even his saber is built to fight a whip. that hidden Shoto blade is the same solution that Luke came up with to handle light whips in legends.
@@emaldir4067 And being quite a stretch unless he got a massive boost to his fortune teller stat. But we still don't know how he even met Mae, so who knows, but so far I don't see that being the case.
Thank you. The scar is force lightening. I think he was kicked out by his sith master too. I think he is looking for his second in order to overthrow whoever the real sith is.
Hello 👋 to all fans and haters of Jordan Peterson. If the show portrays Kimir more like a darker version of Jordan Peterson what bits would you like him to do ? Personally I would like him to base his hole philosophy on lobsters and/ or make a costume with his life’s story told in pictures on it.
@@WasThisMail Okay so Soul and May burst into Kimirs layer. Soul: RELEASE OSHA !!! Kimir: Of course but first you must observe these lobsters. Soul: What ? May: Oh no we are going to be here for a while. Kimir: You see in this pod of lobsters everything is ordered in a perfect hierachy under the guidance of the green one. Soul: What has this got to do with anything ?? Kimir: But then a lobster hatches that dosen't fit into the pod maybe he is stronger than the others, maybe he has a different fighting style or maybe he just dosen't like sand. Osha: You seem to know way to much about lobsters. Kimir: The other lobsters in the pod try to force him to fit in but by doing so they push him further away and then the dark lobster takes him in and makes him even stronger. But the dark lobster dosen't stop there he gets a scool of helmet fish to join the pod of lobsters and then arfter 66 days he orders the helmet fish and his lobster apprentice to DESTROY THE POD AND TAKE OVER THE OCEAN !!!!!! Soul: Kimir I ... Kimir: HEED THE LESSONS OF THE LOBSTERS OR YOU WILL SUFFER THE SAME FATE AS THEM !!!! Soul: Kimir I don't know what you have been smooking but can we leave with Osha now ? Kimir: Yes but only if you buy my new book "12 rules for jedi life"
That scar on his back looks more like a lightning strike to me. Wouldnt a whip still leave a single slash ? The plot suggest a light whip but idk .....that scar is really jagged as if it was multiple attacks or force lightning .
in an interview the actress said "prongs" of her lightwhip. to be pronged, there needs to be at least 2 tips. I wonder if it splits at the end sometimes
The Stranger is unreliable, his lack of answer to if it was his Jedi master specifically who did that made me feel he just wanted Osha to draw that conclusion herself. I can't wrap my head around how Venestra could be made to punish a padawan like that.
@@ZakHac he's probably misrepresenting events (seduction through ideas or in the strangers case, actual seduction) and that's how the sith or dark side people, can sway people to their side
Thank you for covering new content with genuine interest and not just rage baiting like a lot of others in the space seem to be doing. I appreciate you immensely.
I wonder if this is Disney bringing that story into Canon, where the Jedi masters went crazy and tried to kill all their Padawans to stop them from going to the Darkside
It's already Canon in a way. Luke went crazy and tried to kill his nephew because he had a vision Ben Solo was going to the dark side. Tunes in with the Jedi the actual reason dark siders/Sith exist.
I stumbled across your channel maybe 2 weeks ago and I just want to say thank God . What a breathe of fresh air. I was so tired of videos just hating on everything so negative. Love your approach and your takes. Thank you
The fact they revealed both Qimir's scar and the Light Whip in the same episode certainly seems to make us connect the two - but that could be foreshadowing, or a fun misdirect to add to our growing suspicions about Vernestra. The fact this show has us asking all these questions 3/4 of the way through the season is the mark of a good mystery. I WANT to know the truth, but I am afraid of what learning the truth may do to my feelings for these characters. It's compelling storytelling, even in spite of some of the shows flaws.
No, that's not the sign of a good mystery, that's the sign of an unnecessarily convoluted plot. When the audience is kept artificially ignorant of information the main characters know, that's not a mystery, that's bad faith on the part of the writers.
@@kirkdarling4120 have you ever watched a movie? Or read a book? That is a very, very common thing. Sounds like you'd enjoy just reading wookipedia after the show is finished airing 😁
I was looking at the real life ages of the actors for Qimir and Osha. 37 and 25. Qimir saying a long time ago could be 20-25 years. Maybe he left the Jedi as a teen. In that timeline he and Osha would have never crossed paths at the temple.
If Qimir was in The Order, was he expelled as a youngling or as a padawan? Perhaps he even made knight. Rather harsh if those were lightwhip scars on his back, so it must've been a fight. Yeah the ages and some knowing each other but others not knowing each other is a bit of a stretch. So Qimir may be lying about being in The Order as a Jedi...perhaps he was there in another capacity, which would explain why he knows a thing or two about the goings-on.
That would make more sense.. though I think using someone whose claim to fame was being an asshole to college kids also makes sense as inspiration for a villain
@@Dwapook @Dwapook I guess he's a villain. If you consider giving good advice and correcting college students about their stupid ideologies is wrong, then yeah, he's a villain🙄 😂😂😂😂
@@Wyomingchief being respectful about how someone prefers to be addressed isn’t some great battle to be fought, being antagonistic about it isn’t something to take pride in. The guy is good at sounding smart, but I remember him being full of hot air and broken ideas, it’s been a long time since I’ve examined him though.. it’s kind of foggy in my mind
The original full quote is "Wherever I go in the world people come up to me and they often have a pretty rough story to relate. It's an awful thing because you see, even in the revelation of their Triumph, the initial depth of their despair." It's just an astute observation of the journey of broken people. When they triumph over their brokenness or their struggles, the joy they express or exude is proportionate to how bad off they were when they started to turn their life around. Also, JP never refused to address any specific person by their pronoun. He objected to a law that coerced compliance and attempted to force people to not "misgender". There's a big difference there. Government should never be able to tell people what they can and can't say and they especially shouldn't be able to tell people what they MUST say. That was his objection and imo he was right to object on those grounds. As viewers of this awesome channel, let's continue to support Alan's dedication to nuance by practicing the same approach in his comments section. I would even say there is absolutely nothing political or divisive about this specific quote whatsoever.
Hey Allen, I also want to say that from the POV of a Geologist, the Kortosis deposit on that island makes enough sense to fall within "this is jussssst close enough to reality to be allowed to stretch" Basically, you can expect to find native metals on an extinct volcanic island like the one shown, but a vein that thick would be exceedingly rare as well as horizontal rather than vertical in a lot of cases this vein would have formed as debris solidifying in a melt and falling to rest at the bottom of the magma chamber. This debris being grains of kortosis that then weld together to create the mineral lattice of the Pegmatite shown on screen (but 90 degrees rotated :P ) Also, it would be more likely to form an oxide or sulfate mineral than the native metal if it was formed where this was in the basaltic environment of the island. Anyway, I'll press play on the video and let you talk about the writing, LOL
As someone who is NOT a geologist so would know less overall about this than you likely do, wouldn't some of these answers be able to explain it being vertical? 1.) The vein originally was horizontal but formed near the edge of a tectonic plate that, when it collided with the other plates, slowly overtime changed the angle to be more vertical 2.) The vein location was originally something like a Lava Tree Mold and then a later eruption that had the cortosis (or whatever mechanism that happens to cause cortosis to form) found that opening and, if cortosis was more dense than the surrounding liquid rocks, ended up filling the bottom of it with the other metals floating above it 3.) The vein location was originally the spot of something like a Karst Fissure that later filled up with cortosis when that was formed (likely meaning that there's a horizontal layer somewhere higher up the rock strata it's just not visible due to the surrounding rocks
Could just be an extremely nuggety, high-grade hydrothermal vein, eh? Maybe kortosis likes to precipitate out in the presence of salt water, or some such.
I wouldn't be surprised if Qimir is just a fallen jedi. I do love theories, but sometimes I feel expectations can ruin a show. So I take all theories as a grain of salt. That doesn't mean I don't hope my favorite theories come true. BTW Thank you, Generation Tech, for typically scripting your channel less opinionated. I love to learn without embracing my hatred, lol. ❤
Exactamundo - audiences need to consider phrasing: Qimir suggests and Sol considers, but nothing is either declarative or conclusive that Qimir is of the Sith doctrine just because he’s contrarian against the Order’s dogma
Solid theories. The Qimir/Vernestra connection is blatantly telegraphed but so was the Qimir reveal, so I expect it to be the case. My big concern is the show *won't* have any "big twists." There were lots of little hints particularly in the first 3 episodes and they're starting to look like red herrings. We'll have to see the last 2 episodes but Acolyte still needs to justify describing itself as a "mystery show." If you look at The Sixth Sense, Fight Club, etc. what makes the shows work is you *could* have seen the big reveal coming if you paid close enough attention. If there isn't enough foreshadowing, it's a bad twist. And if there's foreshadowing without the reveal, it's even worse. None of which would make the show bad, overall, it just means it's not really a mystery show, and we need to be sparing with the word "twist."
Good points regarding twist endings. Mysteries don't necessarily have all the foreshadowing, but the writers must play fair with the audience: The audience should be told everything the investigator knows, learning new details as the investigator does. The writer isn't playing fair when the investigator's knowledge is being kept from the audience. That's more like summer camp counselors telling ghost tales over the campfire.
Allen, this is awesome. This show is giving us such a great new conduit through which we can enjoy and speculate about the Star Wars universe. I'm really so happy the Acolyte is turning out to be so good. I can see that it's genuinely giving you content and topics you're excited to explore-- and the authenticity of that love for Star Wars just radiates in your enthusiasm in videos like this one. Dude, I love this show. Also, love this channel. Cheers, pal. Great video.
I noticed the light whip seemed to remain a rigid blade until the green lady (can’t remember the name for the life of me) flings it backwards. Perhaps the light whip’s, well… whip effect can be toggled with a switch?
@@mycelia_ow I haven't watched the original interview it was pulled from, but yes it appears to be his original quote. or rather, a paraphrase thereof. his actual quote being : "Wherever I go in the world people come up to me and they often have a pretty rough story to relate. It's an awful thing because you see, even in the revelation of their Triumph, the initial depth of their despair." the broader context is that these people who come up to him are describing having been through depression and contemplated self harm and deletion
Leaving this comment to air out my own thoughts : I'm emphatically not a JP fan, but I do believe he has helped folks out of very dark places. Self-harm and self-deletion are incredibly delicate topics, and I'm honestly a little shocked the show would choose to lift a quote about individuals who contemplate it. Making a political statement that even indirectly trivializes the subject is crossing the most crimson of lines.
It's possible that this is a bit too obvious, and the reveal of Vernestra's lightsaber whip and Qimir's scar in the same episode is a bit of a red herring. After all, the whip mark splits, which is more indicative of Force lightning. Qimir might have started off as a Jedi (maybe even as Vernestra's padawan), but it's possible that after being rejected as a Jedi, he sought a new master who also eventually discarded him.
Why is everyone so stuck on the rule of two shit, ventress was a sith apprentice, maul was a sith, savage opress was a sith all these people lived at the same time for a while in addition to count dooku and emperor palpatine. And if you don’t consider those people sith, without a master or apprentice how could you consider qimir a sith? Stop being babies and enjoy the show. This is some great Star Wars and I’m tired of hearing people cry about breaking cannon. Not every Jedi knows everything. That’s the whole point of the prequels don’t take everything so literal and pray they don’t ruin Star Wars like they’re doing with marvel.
We could be looking at Canon Tenebrous and Plagueis. It would make half the fandom lose their minds, but the species of both Tenebrous and Plagueis is Legends.
They show Qimir's whip-like scars in the same episode where they introduce a whip-like lightsaber... he claims to be a former Jedi, probably a padawan considering his rougher skills, who clearly has some baggage about his previous master... and Vernestra seems pretty keen on hiding certain things from the Jedi Council and/or the Republic Senate, particularly in regards to mistakes and failures within the Jedi Order... it could all be a red herring, sure, but it does all fit nicely with what we've learned so far.
Introducing a new character in the 3rd act is generally not a good idea. So it is safe to assume it is Vernestra. The details of how this came to pass, will be interesting nonetheless.
@@GenerationTech the real mystery is not any of the mini mysteries that are set up and then revealed immediately, the real mystery is “how dark can the Jedi get?”
It is odd that they wouldn't return the youngling to their family. But, perhaps the family too rejects the child that they were told to let go of, leaving them as orphans. What a way to grow up. In a strict monastery that doesn't encourage exploration or otherwise truly feeling the emotions that make them "people".
@@bestlexluthor7596 Also, the service core existed, and we see Yord becoming knight in his early 30's. "Discarding" is odd, and might have meant prison for Dark-siders as we saw Offee ending up there after expulsion. Other sources speak of stasis cells at Jedi temples on distant worlds where such Dark-siders may be held and possibly "counseled".
Honestly i think Qimir could be one of the first Knights of Ren. Only because when we see him a few times in the armor you hear Kylo's theme. Also is it just me but his "Red" lightsaber has some Pink mixed in.
his' a space vampire that consume his acolyte, when they're ripe.. and, Sol is the father of twins , donate some of his midichlorian to the Space Witches.
15:00 bacta tanks weren't invented until 15 minutes after Qui-Gon Jinn had died. So I don't think Bacta tank is in Qimir's youthful look. Maybe he's just not Human?
If you look at pictures of scars made by whips, they don’t look jagged and curved. Instead the whip cuts straight lines. But it just might be that the light whip has different damage than a typical Earth whip. Thanks for the video.
Alan, what was the conventional use of Cortosis? How was it used in ships and was it ever used in the DS1 and 2? Did it help in the main firing laser? Could it be used to deflect a blaster bolt? The Mandalorian must've found it somewhat useful in their armor, especially against the Jedi? Could it resist Sith lightening? As a metal it seems fragile yet there must be more conventional uses for it in the wider galaxy if not in combat, in power plants on Naboo etc?
@@jasonmarbach Yord is most likely talking about the presence in the force as they are in a saber lock which connects the 2 force users minds because of the kyber crystal
@@jasonmarbach yeah, feeling your duel opponent through the force when you lock blades is emerging lightsaber lore. Think I heard about it on GF first.
Alan, a couple nights ago I came up with this same idea of imri being qimir , and its exciting to now hear you say it. I was not familiar with the character as I have not read the books, but with the lightsaber whip scars I began researching vernestras past and he fits the bill in a lot of ways. It even still leaves it open for a connection w tenebris, as a possible early apprentice.
I just want to say I appreciate the approach you take with Star Wars on your channel. When you praise something, it's not with an over-exaggerated effusiveness (is that a word?) and when you are critical about something, you don't take it as a personal affront (which I see with a lot of channels that have a larger audience, built through ragebaiting) It's really showed in your approach to The Acolyte & I just wanted to say thanks.
Man I have always loved your channel it's now my favourite one on RU-vid you can actually have a talk about this show without salt and look at it dare I say without bias I love it I know you are a diehard star wars fan so freshing
Yup, makes a ton of sense. Also, I'm dead sure that the Jedi party on Brandok killed all those quasi-Nightsisters. Question is why would Vernestra order that herself then?
It appears that the Jedi have committed the ultimate hubris, by keeping secrets from each other. Qimir knows something and it's connected to Vernestra; she can see the who is responsible. Are the sisters just pawns in this game of revenge? I think in another reality, Qimir and Jecki would've been friends and Yord would've found someone to balance his awkwardness.
jeeeze....could you imagine being killed by your rival apprentice to then be revived and repeatedly killed by him in complete confusion on what the f&^% was happening!?
I mean unfortunately given the feedback i don't know if they will. It seems like everytime they try something new people get super pissed. But if actual fans took a look at the show, it's heavily influenced and inspired by the prequels.
You mention Daggan Gareth and didn't get in a TANALOR IS MINE!!! quote? Not sure if I should feel ashamed for you or be impressed by your great willpower.
8:25 Respect for the balls where you said you listened to him. I haven't listened to really much that he said, but because you said "a controversial figure" I respect that and it helped to even further support your message of "let's talk more to one another with more respect so this whole democracy thing can keep on working", since your once again moving ahead as an example.
I don’t think Qimir is a true Sith. The Jedi have volumes upon volumes of data about the sith in their archives including sith holocrons. It’s more practical for him to gain access to Sith teachings through the Jedi temple as a former Jedi than it is for him to find a true Sith Lord to mentor him. I think it’s more likely he’s self taught and just identifies as Sith. “The power of two” Qimir refers to is already established in canon. It’s a special bond acknowledged by both Jedi and Sith: The master and the apprentice. This does not mean he follows “the rule of two” created by Bane or even knows about Bane’s lineage of Sith Lords.
Though, can a Jedi open a Sith holocron? Seems not, if you go by what we saw in Rebels. Though anyone who uses the Dark Side to open it, should be able to - Jedi or otherwise. Which Jedi are volunteering to use the Dark Side to open up acquired Sith holocrons? The Dyad would be the ultimate version of the "power of two", but there could certainly be lesser degrees. Qimir says to Sol that he might "be considered a Sith". That doesn't exactly imply that he believes himself to be one or that he is otherwise proclaiming to be one. Writers can be quite deliberate in their phrasing in order to evoke certain understandings from the audience.
Considering I just learned from @orokusaki1243 comment that Vernestra had a twin sister who also used a whip, I'm guessing: Qimir is the twin sister's pupil. Vernestra using a whip is misdirection/red herring to convince you she's his master. She could be seeking Qimir OR her twin sister (my vote is on sister). Two sets of twins, one a pair of opposing masters and the other a pair of opposing pupils. Each twin seeking the other. Each with a difficult path of confronting the other twin; like they're confronting themself. Fits the Lucas style of "it's like poetry, they rhyme, every stanza kinda rhymes with the last one"
I feel so sorry for him in that thumbnail I mean you broke his neck so badly that it make his head swell up my about 25% I don’t even know how that’s biologically possible? 😂 also I know I wouldn’t still be smiling if my head was on backwards 😅
I dunno. I COULD see this going the route of one of the twins becoming the apprentice, and becoming a female version of Darth Tenebrous. This is NOT a commentary. Just an observation that Osha's good at working with machines, they could be tweaking it a bit. Sith don't ALWAYS make it to old age, so there's plenty of time for her to become Darth Tenebrous, then train Plageous in time for Palpatine.
I would've thought that a light whip strike would probably cut you nearly in half the same as a saber so yeah a long time in stasis to heal such a horrible wound make sense.
If those marks on his back are from a Light saber whip she must be a damn good with it hitting someone without slicing him to pieces, she must really barley touching him with it, unless she used a normal whip. I would say they are more marks from force lighting.
The Peterson quote in Ep. 5 caught me completely offguard and somehow hit me more than I thought coming from this character. But only because I heard it before and can somewhat relate to it. I don't think it clicked with most people who heard it the first time, and I don't think it was too well set up to be more meaningful to a wider audience.
Lot of good background information on this vid that helps fill some of the context especially related to the oversight standpoint for the Republic and the Jedi. I think you are on to something with regards to the Police overextension issue with regards to the Jedi as well. I do wonder though if something else happened between the events of this period and episode 1 given how restricted Qui-Gon (not a paragon of acting purely by the book) was so hesitant to intervene in Naboo (despite lack of authorization) and really it was Amidala who drove the entire intervention that resolved it. The Jedi of the Acolyte appear to strain against any restriction on their authority while they appear far more reticent in the prequel period (especially Episode I).