This Is So Much Better Than A Jet 

I agree, they are amazing birds. The insurance, maintenance and specifically engine rebuilds will shock you. They are far superior in many ways and demand the cash to support it.

This man is a wealth of knowledge. Gotta have him talk more often.

Some misinformation on this. I'm sure that he has good intentions but he's off on several points. Firstly the cost of maintenance on the TBM are as much if not more some years than a Citation. Avex will provide you with projected numbers so give them a call. No doubt that fuel burn is over twice for a TP vs a VLJ however for that you get 2 engines instead of 1 and the added capability to go higher (41-43K) which does get you over weather and turbulence. I've never paid anywhere close to what he says the annual 61.58 is. My usual sim or even in plane training has never topped 10K. Without doubt the requirements to fly a jet are more rigorous than a TP and that may be a turnoff for many. You are expected to fly at pro pilot proficiency. Regarding HSI's or overhauls the numbers are not vague. For every engine including the TBM they are specified and thereby allow you to add that into your cost of ops. Short runways are one place that the TBM will win. Final line is the TBM is an awesome platform and the fact that it has continued to be a success story in sales attests to that fact. If you are honestly considering this or a VLJ like a Mustang your initial purchase price will likely be the same or frankly higher for an equivalent avionics equipped bird compared to a Citation with somewhere around 20% increase annually on cost of ops for the VLJ.

I love to fly this in MSFS. It's my go to, after flying a Bonanza for many hours irl, this is the next step.

Love the TBM but curious did you consider a Pilatus PC-12, seems like the perfect compromise of cabin comfort of a jet and single turboprop efficiency

It'd be neat to hear his thoughts on comparing this to a meridian or jet prop conversion

Thank you. A really informative video for existing pilots. Love you passion and ideas, very original.

I want to see more of this guy!

I’m growing my current business with the goal of being able to start a charter business to afford a TBM. Right now I’m only at Beech Baron money. Got a bit to go yet.

Really beautiful plane, but I am like the Fighter Jet Pilot I heard the testimony of. While flying across the pond near Iceland, his 2 engine jet had an engine go out. He made the necessary adjustments and finished his flight to UK with second engine. He said, Without a second engine I probably would not be here today. End of quote. So IMHO, and getting ready to buy a plane, I will be buying 2 engines. Whether prop or jet. But the TBM and PC12 are amazing and awesome planes.

The TBM is an absolutely spectacular airplane. Better than many light jets and almost just as fast. Faster than some even.

Question. This man said that he got his initial training in a turbine aircraft. That's interesting! Can you do another interview with this man and have him discuss his flight training in more detail. I have about three friends who would be interested in this as well as knowing another person who might be interested in offering turboprop training. Would like to hear what he trained in and the costs as well as where he did his training. Thanks in advance!

I cant wait to own this plane

Great video. What's the guys website? Didn't hear it mentioned in the video?

I, for one, welcome your bold, proud move into straight out aircraft pawwwwwn. These things have long been one of my money-no-object dream planes.

I f**king love this guy! He convinced me, I NEED a turboprop!

Well done!

Great informative video. thanks

I’m in love with this airplane.

Another video with good resources.

I flew C-12s and C-23s in the Army. Beta is awesome!!!!!!! That's a beautiful airplane you have there.

When someone throws out a statement like this, I can’t sit back and be quiet. Not sure what jet you came from, but your numbers and philosophy are way off. Recurrent training in a light jet may be around 8K, not 30K, and to go to school once a year is something you’d be expected to do in the TBM also, there is no money savings in training. As a turbo prop, you are always flying in the mid twenty’s, right where the weather will be, with engine icing selected on, it really slows the climb, boots are not very efficient, especially considering TBM wants you to use the “auto” feature, with many thousands of hours in turboprops, I don’t believe in auto, a person needs to be a much better prepared to operate a TBM in all weather conditions. And then let’s talk about speed, you’ll see about 300 kts. Compare all this to let’s say, a Citation M2, the M2 won’t overheat sitting in the warm up in Las Vegas in a hot day, like a TBM, the M2 and many other light jets actually have a cabin you can move around in, not the TBM, the jet will climb at a faster rate if climb to FL400 or 410, jet has a hot wing, the M2 has trailing link gear, impossible to make a bad landing. Jet is much easier to manage than a TBM, turbo props are much more likely to be damaged by inexperienced pilots during a start. The clear winner for over all aspects is clearly a light jet. And don’t elude anyone, if you don’t go to school every year in the TBM, you won’t get insurance, period.

Nice video and TBM are one of the fasted types, but they are a freewheel turbine (PT-6 family) and not as forgiving as a piston power plant or a shaft Alison turbine. PT-6 engine operation training is essential.

4:54 Very informative!

I really love this plane! It's still though so far out of reach for a lot of people. But, that's the way it is with high end propellers. 🤷🏾‍♂️

Thanks!

Does flying a TBM in Mircrosoft Flight Simulator help with the learning curve of fling a real one? (It is my go to plane in MSFS)

Please can we get a link for Greg’s lodge in Alaska?

Looking very nice.

That is all good to hear, cause I love a turboprop,

Well, everything he says is true if you keep this airplane at an airport in the larger city. However, if you go out into the sticks, you can bye a strip of land, build a hanger and shop and a landing strip. Then find a good knowledgeable mechanic ( most will jump at the chance to get out of the city for a day or two or whatever it takes) you can get him all the tools pay him a good price and probably pay for everything with the money you save just by being out there . Plus, you’re away from prying eyes. Just in all the rental fees alone you save thousands and thousands. You just can’t believe how nice it is when you go out there. Have a nice little comfortable room to relax in maybe watch a ball game take a little nap . Have a nice clean shop and a nice hanger and save money by doing it.

Great video. Can’t wait to get my license and when the times right I’ll be adding this to my roster. I didn’t even think about how pj’s might not be useable in at every airport. Bc I’m travelin baby so this is definitely much more convenient But I still HAVE to get a Lear 24 tho🤤

Beautiful machine. If you ever fly to Ireland, let me know, I want a spin 😅

I do feel this video starts in the middle. Is it part two?

Dream plane!! Building time in an a36.

Please cover more on the fly lodge/fly-in community he talked about in a different video.

I really like these planes

Can you provide contact info on this gentleman? I would like to reach out with questions about the TBM

Danke!

Very Nice Bro! Get Good People/Pilots!

Love it.

Mojo, are you going to get a TBM?

What is the rate of climb with one engine out?

2 minutes in and they don't even say what manufacturer or model of aircraft this is, nor is it in the description. That makes me disinclined to watch the remainder.

I will never top how cool it is that the navy put me in the T6 (which i guess you can think of as similar to this aircraft we had 1200shp turbo prop) to learn to fly with all of 10hrs in a cessna as experience . We solo’d the T6 in like 8ish flights 😂.

Nice

in a flame out emerge, how far can it glide?

I disagree. The older citations are just as easy to fly but faster and more usable payload. Turboprop do not require type rating but insurance requires the trading which is nearly equivalent. And recurrent training is about $5k. Beta is very comparable to thrust reversers so why is he knocking jets so much? I’ll give him the shorter runways for sure though.

Nah man fly coast to coast (one stop) in a Phenom 300E and tell me there’s anything better - the TBM is a mean turboprop but it’s a PC12 for me

I've never had the pleasure of flying a TBM, but if it flies as good as it looks, it must be great. However, I'm still a jet snob. You can't beat M0.83 at 41,000 ft. Actually, I take that back if you're flying a Global 8000. 😆

2:16 Holy Cow! Good to know! 💰

Does Daher TBMs have more issues with cabin depressurization than other planes? I read a few articles of catastrophic accidents due to pilots losing consciousness in these things due to pressure dropping at altitude? Can anyone share the stats on this?

How about the Epic?

Does it need a co-pilot or can be flown single?

Can you provide his contact information? I have a use case and would love to train with him!

how does the prop go in reverse and slow you down??? is it as simple as it sounds?

Wish I was still flying. Had a twin Cessna 340A and the next step was a single turbine. A single turbine is easier to operate than a twin and without all the twin and piston issues. FWIW, I was paying $10K for annuals in 2004, so 10K now sounds like a bargain.

Very good information!

Contact info for this guy?

NIce video , but where was Mojo Mike ?

ThevRCMP has one, theyvare nice, ever hear of the story where EVERYONE bailed out of one & died then the plane proceeded to land itself in a field with minor damage.

I cant spend that kinda money on a plane without a rudimentary bathroom.

Like the aircraft, very versatile with plenty of range BUT NO BATHROOM?

Fifteen hours of training to get up to speed on a new aircraft isn't shit.

Do you think better than Eclipse 550?

What about a PC 12 vs the TBM ?

You never mentioned money! That is why I spend 35 years flying a C421 which we called “a poor man’s King Air!” After watching a video of a PC12 ditching in the ocean near Hawaii, I would never choose a SE turboprop over a ME piston. Your risk profile is your business!

DOES THE TBM HAVE A LAV? VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION!

This is so much better than a jet, then he spends the first half of the video scaring the crap outta you for a turbine

Awesome plane but prefer the PC 12.

A great aircraft, but a niche aircraft - sales figures are dwarfed by the PC12 series.

who is this guy? does he have a youtube channel?

What aircraft are you talking about

I’m financially relegated to flying commercial! If I was a pilot I couldn’t even afford the maintenance on this plane much less the cost of operating!

The fact that anyone buys a SF50 in the world where the TBM exists is sad.

"Things that turn that look scary." Really?

Life is too short to fly behind propellers! 😁

Where am I pissing though?

Turbo prop is a jet engine with a reduction gearbox and a propeller ? How is that simpler ?

But this is a jet.

A turbo jet...turbo prop... Tomato 🍅 tomauto

30 to 40 to 50 thousands a year to keep a jet TR valid? Are you sure?

I can see the appeal of reverse thrust and there seems to be some truth to a bit shorter runway capability but it's just not worth all the weaknesses. You know the expression private jet? there is no such thing for a turboprop. It looks like something from WW2, slightly removed from indiana jones. It makes noise accordingly and obstructs view. A constant reminder of what a massive mistake you made when you bought it. It doesn't have engine redundancy for ocean crossing and general safety and it doesn't have the speed. There is some truth to fuel economy however what few seem to realize is that if you lower a twin jet's speed down to turboprop speed, it's a lot more fuel efficient, not far off the turboprop. You just have the option of going airliner speed. The single engine TBM940 costs the same as an Embraer Phenom 100 twin jet and the ramp appeal is just staggeringly different. The awful turboprops look like you fly medical parts or letters to New Foundland and you hate your life. The Phenom looks like you have it going on, you are banging Heidi Klum and have a 15 million dollar house in the hills of LA. And where jets can really shine is that the planes could be lighter and smaller and the engines so simple that after 4000 hours you just buy a new one for 10k and don't worry about it. That it's not a financial burden at all. True freedom. Google says the typical annual cost of a TBM is a cool million dollars. That is frequent use but still. F dat. What he forgot to mention is that an overhaul is a joyous mystery between 400 and 800 thousand dollars. Because for some reason when it comes to turbines the clowns lose their minds. Unfortunately also true for jets but it can be remedied. Jets can be surprisingly simple. I looked into it and it seems even the ball bearings are made by normal ball bearing companies of normal materials. Not some exotic part. And regarding fuel efficiency, the world distance record of 40000km still belongs to the Williams FJ44 jet engine. Not a turboprop. That means piston planes should not exist nor should turboprops.

this is very misleading. a SETP like the TBM needs a initial and annual training required by the insurance companies. It's the same process as a type rating in a light Jet. Yes it does cost a little more for a Jet initial. it's $14K for initial in your aircraft for a CE-500 jet rating. Initial in a SETP is around $5-7K. Annual recurrent for Jet is $4000 and Annual recurrent for SETP is around $2500. Very different than what is said in this video. Jets are safer, faster, more comfortable, and fly higher than a SETP. You can fly a light Jet for the same or less than a newer SETP.

PPL with +300 hours all in piston, not IFR rated. Do I qualify for a dry lease?

No, a turboprop is not better than a jet which only underscores that blanket statements are usually not true.

Nope. No way. No how. Jets are far superior. I've got 5000 hours in turbo props and 13000 pic in jets.

WOW insane money to fly jets , poor pilots get taken advantage of to follow their dreams.

Nah, jets are better.

Better than a Jet?????? I don't think so at lease a Jet has two engine in which it carries on much more safety than this model.

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Wish flying wasnt a hobby for the rich :|

No, it’s not “better” than a jet

Thanks!