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This is Why I HATE Marvel Comics... 

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@CynicalMisanthrope-b3p
@CynicalMisanthrope-b3p Месяц назад
Magneto and Rogue's relationship is like watching your grandpa try to date your babysitter-creepy, unnecessary, and leaves everyone at the X-Mansion wondering, "Where the hell is Gambit?"
@treymykel
@treymykel Месяц назад
He wasn't there yet because rogue didn't meet gambit until after her rogue with magneto sadly as much as people seem to forget road was on the team of X-Men first before Gambit. And again the rogue still a grown ass woman Magneto's a grown ass man they decide to make that choice together whether it's gross or not I mean thank goodness she's not a teenager cuz he could have been worse lol
@johnlopez9014
@johnlopez9014 Месяц назад
Yeah, I usually skip those parts in porn hub
@jeggsonvohees2201
@jeggsonvohees2201 Месяц назад
​@johnlopez9014 Rogue could be a teenager when they dated as long as she was 18. It would still be a choice they both made.
@jeggsonvohees2201
@jeggsonvohees2201 Месяц назад
At least in Magneto's case said grandpa is physically in his late twenties to early thirties if that helps.
@vitreo1363
@vitreo1363 Месяц назад
By the lowest estimate, Magneto was 40 years old when Rogue was born…
@bellslimes
@bellslimes Месяц назад
I don’t get how Marvel thinks a grooming relationship can actually be good here, it’s so sad to watch character assassinations, and stupid brain-rotted takes that the fans hate, that keep coming out.
@robchuk4136
@robchuk4136 Месяц назад
Thank you, Beau DeMaeo 😅
@ToxicVex267
@ToxicVex267 Месяц назад
@@robchuk4136anyone remember that scene in Spider-Man the animated series where clone MJ turned into water and Peter screamed nooooooooo. Yeah that was me when they X-men97 was hinting towards this god awful ship again.
@marcogenovesi8570
@marcogenovesi8570 Месяц назад
@@robchuk4136 what does DeMayo have to do with this
@JayKaze
@JayKaze Месяц назад
Bruce Timm but worse.
@SecretMagician
@SecretMagician Месяц назад
@@marcogenovesi8570 just like the MCU and other Marvel media, brand synergy could be in effect.
@redstreak9430
@redstreak9430 Месяц назад
So they broke up Colossus and Kitty because of an age gap issue but think shipping the WW2 Survivor with the 20 something year old is okay?
@ToxicVex267
@ToxicVex267 Месяц назад
This is like saying Batman and batgirl is weird but being ok with batgirl and Ra's al Ghul.
@redstreak9430
@redstreak9430 Месяц назад
@@ToxicVex267 don’t give them any ideas lol
@ToxicVex267
@ToxicVex267 Месяц назад
@@redstreak9430 oh no what have I done?
@samflood5631
@samflood5631 Месяц назад
Something a bit related, Charles had a crush on Jean Grey when she was a teenager, and she was sort of like a daughter to him.
@st.commodus1437
@st.commodus1437 Месяц назад
​This is going to be explored in xmen 97 just watch, because this was exposed during the onslaught era and it seems like we're getting onslaught at some point in the show​@@samflood5631
@deadhouse3889
@deadhouse3889 Месяц назад
Gambit and Rogue belong together. I straight up get mad when she flirts with other men. You already won girl, get your hormones under control.
@ToxicVex267
@ToxicVex267 Месяц назад
Bro hijacked another persons wedding and still got the girl. Gambit is the goat. Granted they gave it to Gambit and rogue but still.
@warrenweaver6664
@warrenweaver6664 Месяц назад
I have to agree
@sudalaimuthu3312
@sudalaimuthu3312 Месяц назад
Jean too she other eyes with wolverine
@JacobDeem13
@JacobDeem13 Месяц назад
Marvel Comics bringing back something everyone hates? "Never heard of that before"... why does Marvel hate us?
@ToxicVex267
@ToxicVex267 Месяц назад
Caugh caught Paul.
@sammysstopmotionoas2004
@sammysstopmotionoas2004 Месяц назад
​@@ToxicVex267 cough cough refusing to actually undo One More Day.
@sammysstopmotionoas2004
@sammysstopmotionoas2004 Месяц назад
It's ran by a bunch of Old Man Babies who have superiority complexes, hate the fans because they don't worship at the feet of their trash, and are probably creeps.
@vitreo1363
@vitreo1363 Месяц назад
AaaaachIronMandoingsomethingshittytohisfriendsandMarvelundoingitasredemption…
@omegaman2846
@omegaman2846 Месяц назад
This is what happens when a “brain trust” is hired to figure out why something is popular. “You know what, people really like the new X-men series. What do you think is the reason?” “I know, it must be the cringe relationship between Rogue and Magneto!” SMH
@ToxicVex267
@ToxicVex267 Месяц назад
Just like how Nick Lowe doesn’t understand why people like Peter Parker. Someone asked him why they refuse to let Peter grow up and develop as a person. And his response was we want people of all generations to be able to connect with Peter and fans don’t want Peter to grow up. Like ultimate Spider-Man completely debunks that start and fans have been asking for this for years. HOW DO THESE PEOPLE KEEP GETTING HIRED?
@marcogenovesi8570
@marcogenovesi8570 Месяц назад
and dinosaurs, we must have dinosaurs
@taejasper1343
@taejasper1343 Месяц назад
You mean "new season"? Not a separate series, bro!
@nigel_saxon
@nigel_saxon Месяц назад
Marvel's version of the Batman and Batgirl ship.
@RacingSnails64
@RacingSnails64 Месяц назад
Lol exactly...
@ДарьяДарина-ж5к
@ДарьяДарина-ж5к Месяц назад
No, it's much worse
@jonathananderson5990
@jonathananderson5990 Месяц назад
@@ДарьяДарина-ж5к How is it worse? Just curious, since they're both horrible.
@ToxicVex267
@ToxicVex267 Месяц назад
@@jonathananderson5990Bruce is old enough to be batgirls father. Magnetos old enough to be rogues great grandfather. Both are gross but jeez
@jonathananderson5990
@jonathananderson5990 Месяц назад
@@ToxicVex267Gotcha. I keep forgetting how MUCH older he is. If he's drawn by an artist like Jim Lee, for example, he just appears to be a decently buff older dude that went gray early.
@CynicalMisanthrope-b3p
@CynicalMisanthrope-b3p Месяц назад
Oh great, X-Men '97 decided to dig up that awkward Magneto and Rogue romance again-because nothing says "epic superhero storytelling" like pairing a century-old villain with a much younger woman. Fans of Gambit are obviously thrilled to see their favorite Cajun thrown under the bus for this questionable love triangle. But hey, at least it’s “comic accurate,” right? Creepy? Sure. Necessary? Absolutely not.
@ToxicVex267
@ToxicVex267 Месяц назад
I hate that response “well it happened in the comics” yes and it was hated each time they tried. Terrible ideas happen all the time in comics just look at zeb wells and nick Lowe’s Amazing Spider-Man run.
@sudalaimuthu3312
@sudalaimuthu3312 Месяц назад
I hate 97 series party scenes my boy gambit needs justice
@ToxicVex267
@ToxicVex267 Месяц назад
@@sudalaimuthu3312 that dance scene between Magneto and Rogue had me heated if gambit decided to crash out right there I wouldn't blame him my boy did not deserve that.
@Drixenol86
@Drixenol86 Месяц назад
I dunno what DeMayo’s beef with Gambit, other than jealously of his popularity. I’m glad that creep got fired.
@acerbussigil
@acerbussigil Месяц назад
The magneto and rogue romance was the worst part of X-Men 97 the fact that they're bringing it back in a comic is gross. Rogue and Spider man just can't catch a break these days.
@samflood5631
@samflood5631 Месяц назад
Can’t argue with that. I just heard that the new show runner of X-Men 97 is rewriting a lot of season 2 that Beau De Mayo wrote. From what I’ve heard, he spoiled the part where Magneto and Rogue got married and had a son in season 2. I just hope that the new show runner got rid of that part.
@acerbussigil
@acerbussigil Месяц назад
@@samflood5631 I really hope they did get rid of that, the thought of it makes me sick.
@vitreo1363
@vitreo1363 Месяц назад
@@samflood5631 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
@freshskittles92
@freshskittles92 Месяц назад
Why does every media company hire writers that dont know/care about the source material? Why do they insist on doing this over and over again. Disney is arguably the worst.
@vetarlittorf1807
@vetarlittorf1807 Месяц назад
I stopped reading the comics after they became promos for the MCU.
@SecretMagician
@SecretMagician Месяц назад
Same thing with their cartoons. Spectacular Spider-Man, Wolverine and the X-Men, and The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes were the last ones I can remember that are ACTUALLY good regardless of brand synergy, aside from Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur. Every other cartoon was just lazy MCU copycats like Avengers Assemble, Marvel's Spider-Man, Guardians of the Galaxy: The Series, Ultimate Spider-Man, etc. I dont care how many people say that they were childhood cartoons they grew up with and are guilty pleasures. They ALL sucked!
@peterfrost377
@peterfrost377 Месяц назад
Have you tried mangas?
@vetarlittorf1807
@vetarlittorf1807 Месяц назад
@@peterfrost377 Yeah, I read Vinland Saga. It was pretty good.
@ToxicVex267
@ToxicVex267 Месяц назад
@@peterfrost377I used to read both now mangas are mostly whatI read now. I used to read the heck outta Spider-Man well till Paul was introduced. I the only comic I read now is Ultimate Spider-Man. But I did hear rogue and gambit finally tied the knot might read that comic.
@ToxicVex267
@ToxicVex267 Месяц назад
@@SecretMagicianstill can’t believe they axed spectacular Spider-Man.
@sincerelynotme3522
@sincerelynotme3522 Месяц назад
No matter how much we scream we don't want this garbage they still put it out and expect us to buy it. Marvel needs every ounce of goodwill they can muster and they continuously throw it in the trash.
@sammysstopmotionoas2004
@sammysstopmotionoas2004 Месяц назад
Fuck Marvel
@ToxicVex267
@ToxicVex267 Месяц назад
Hey atleast Gambit didn’t get cucked by a random guy named Paul. This is still terrible though.
@InfinityEightplus
@InfinityEightplus Месяц назад
Oh no…they’ve summoned Dark JesterBell
@wesmcinerny4524
@wesmcinerny4524 Месяц назад
Marvel Comics just hasn't been the same since 2012, the year Carol Danvers became the new Captain Marvel.
@Pope-of-Comics
@Pope-of-Comics Месяц назад
.....she already was...
@PapaBear77
@PapaBear77 Месяц назад
@@Pope-of-Comics No, she was Ms. Marvel during the 2000's still. Wasn't until Obama got elected again that Marvel lost its rocker.
@Pope-of-Comics
@Pope-of-Comics Месяц назад
@@PapaBear77 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Yes and no, she definitely took the mantle from Captain Marvel after dying of cancer. Despite being called Ms.Marvel to keep the "feminine" factor, for all intensive purposes SHE WAS CAPTAIN MARVEL.🤣🤣
@wesmcinerny4524
@wesmcinerny4524 Месяц назад
@@Pope-of-Comics Shut up and get your publication years correct. She became Captain Marvel in 2012. She was better when she was Ms. Marvel. Also, the true Captain Marvel of Marvel Comics is Mar-Vell, the male Kree.
@DavidMartinez-ce3lp
@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Месяц назад
That's what I've been saying.
@joeljimenez6675
@joeljimenez6675 Месяц назад
X-MEN 97 HAS Everyone Throwing Up 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 rouge x magtno HELL NO And STOP IT
@BoSmith7045
@BoSmith7045 Месяц назад
A million years ago I worked in a comic shop and we had a Marvel artist come in. I want to say it was David Cochran but do not quote me on that. He was there as an event but it had zero advertising so no one showed up. But he was there mainly to see our ahop owner who was dying in the hospital. So we had plenty of time to talk. He was assigned to draw a comic about Rouge but she was still pretty new and he wasn't familiar with her. He has some other drawings to reference but the white hair made him think she was way older so he ended up drawing her like a very attractive middle aged woman instead of a teenager. Since we were a comic shop we pulled out the issue he was talking about and sure enough, he drew her mature. I wonder if that whole original story was a result of the writer not really understanding just how young she was supposed to be?
@josesarango3408
@josesarango3408 Месяц назад
Dave Cockrum?
@BoSmith7045
@BoSmith7045 Месяц назад
@@josesarango3408 maybe. I see both spellings on the same Google page when I tried to look up the correct spelling of his name. It's a little frustrating.
@josesarango3408
@josesarango3408 Месяц назад
@@BoSmith7045 if it's a known Marvel artist it has to be Dave Cockrum, legendary X-men artist
@bannedmann4469
@bannedmann4469 Месяц назад
Why don’t these people just read some stuff when they get the job, or before?
@vitreo1363
@vitreo1363 Месяц назад
This tracks…
@Clambamthankyoumam
@Clambamthankyoumam Месяц назад
It’s as if Marvel knows about your hatred of the Rogueneto relationship and they’re doing everything that they can to see you suffer. You have my sympathy and most sincere condolences JesterBell!
@jayjaybee
@jayjaybee Месяц назад
Putting aside my Romy shipping, Rogue is my all-time favorite comic book character and this reduces the strong, mature complex character of today into a mere sex object to be lusted after by an older, manipulative perv.
@starrsmith3810
@starrsmith3810 Месяц назад
I literally posted “no no no no” multiple times, bitched about it, and recommend Rogue x Gambit when I saw that on Twitter. Because oh HELL NO. We don’t want this shit again! We need this as much as we need Batman x Batgirl!
@Drixenol86
@Drixenol86 Месяц назад
Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
@MrPonytron
@MrPonytron Месяц назад
I honestly hate it when Marvel and DC hire writers that know nothing about the characters they're writing about and do absolutely no research on them.
@herculeanwarrior1541
@herculeanwarrior1541 Месяц назад
You're right about Marvel hiring writers who don't have prior knowledge of the characters. I remember back during Civil War 2, Captain Marvel called Magneto, who is a canonical Holocaust survivor, "that guy who calls everyone Hitler". When the writer of that line got backlash, he admitted he didn't know that was a part of Magneto's backstory and apologized.
@bobathebountyhunter3956
@bobathebountyhunter3956 Месяц назад
The magneto x rogue realationship is as creepy as the logan x jean relationship.Nobody wants it to happpen but it just keeps coming back into stories like a boomerang and hitting the reader on the head.
@dallasgrey4247
@dallasgrey4247 Месяц назад
I now need to put “Comics: not giving the fans what they want since 1938” on a t-shirt
@maxmazzotti6651
@maxmazzotti6651 Месяц назад
Some comic fans are just so damn hard to please. Don’t let them ruin the fun for you.
@zztopz7090
@zztopz7090 Месяц назад
According to sales, at least they pleased enough people.
@wantutosigh1117
@wantutosigh1117 Месяц назад
And yet Marvel has still done hardly anything with Gambit and Rogue as a married couple. But they want to do this. Makes no sense.
@strangeravensupreme
@strangeravensupreme 4 часа назад
They literally made their own comic series called Mr and Mrs X. They even had a couple story lines during the Krakoan era involving them as a married couple. But I interrupted you. Do go on...
@Harleyxjokerforever
@Harleyxjokerforever Месяц назад
Comics are the only medium that allows outside media to effect the source material. And I don’t know how to feel about that
@justint4049
@justint4049 Месяц назад
Very un-steamy in fact. More of a soup opera moment they love this they came so close they almost kiss. Also hated the later Joseph Rogue storyline
@resistancepublishing
@resistancepublishing Месяц назад
People have to remember that magneto groomed rogue in the X-men 97 animated series
@Dam-a-fence
@Dam-a-fence Месяц назад
I'm people and I have to not do that. Mostly because it would entail watching X-Men '97. Also because it would entail shackling myself to another's desires willingly.
@strangeravensupreme
@strangeravensupreme 4 часа назад
No, Magneto didn't. Way to miss the point of that whole plotline.
@resistancepublishing
@resistancepublishing 56 минут назад
@@strangeravensupreme you obviously weren’t paying attention to the whole series storyline
@timothymarkin4481
@timothymarkin4481 Месяц назад
That explains why Marvel just published a facsimile of X-Men 274, another otherwise unremarkable issue. The Rogue/Magneto relationship is very reminiscent of Slade Wilson’s inappropriate relationship with Terra in the early New Teen Titans.
@samflood5631
@samflood5631 Месяц назад
I hope that this comic is a short run and the whole thing was a bad dream for either Rogue or Gambit.
@miltonfine947
@miltonfine947 Месяц назад
I'm so glad I found this channel. Everywhere else I looked people were praising the Rogue/Magneto ship and it was making me wonder if I was taking crazy pills.
@thoriasunlimited4053
@thoriasunlimited4053 Месяц назад
I sent a very strongly worded email to the X-office voicing my disgust over the announcement of this miniseries. I kept it professional, but that wasn't easy. I can't believe they're revisiting this garbage again.
@vitreo1363
@vitreo1363 Месяц назад
What's the email?
@user-uq7fp3bp4u
@user-uq7fp3bp4u 26 дней назад
That announcement made me die a little inside. Why can't Marvel leave Rouge alone.....
@jaredrobinson7071
@jaredrobinson7071 Месяц назад
Have you ever heard vegeta laugh from dragon ball z? I think that is what marvel is doing right now at all of us.
@lunaucprobably7487
@lunaucprobably7487 Месяц назад
It is super creepy that Marvel keeps trying to push this pairing. And the age difference aside, it just takes away from Rogue as a character every time they have her pine after a genocidal malignant narcissist. She ended up just becoming a tool for writers trying to constantly redeem Magneto, rather than a woman with actual agency in her romantic choices. I suppose I would not have such disgust for the love triangle idea if it was at least better written. From Magneto's angle I could absolutely see him feeling he is "entitled" to her. After all, he's a malignant narcissist. Much like ever cult leader, he feels he is the chosen one in the right and is thus to be forgiven for all his sins and rewarded as the alpha. When Magneto is written well as a villain, and even as an anti-hero, he generally comes off a lot like a cult leader with an overwhelming Messiah Complex. The best villains are the ones who feel they are in the right. And Rogue does fit as a desired pairing for him, not just because of their brief flirtation in the Savage Land, but because of her powers. She absorbs the powers of all other Mutants, including their memories. Symbolically, she can thus be a representation of all mutantkind, of which Magneto seems himself as the metaphorical king and messiah. She is also one of the most faithful followers of Xavier(arguably Magneto's true love.) Thus taking her as a queen, makes sense. But that is, or rather should have been treated as, his one-sided feelings. That said, I could see a way a good writer would have her reciprocate. After all, she absorbs people's memories and emotions and those stay with her in her subconscious. Considering how many mutants she has absorbed over the years who have bought int the cult of Magneto, who do love and revere him, that could have played out as a way for her to be drawn to him, and also make her question her own mind and psyche. Where does she end and where does the amalgamation of alien minds begin? Can she trust any of her feelings? Does she even love Gambit? Or did she just absorb that from Bella? Or maybe it's just his own love for himself she thinks she sucked out of him. A good writers could take us on that psychological rollercoaster and play out a love triangle in an enthralling and heart-wrenching way. Then there's Gambit, the redheaded stepson to so many writers. Because if you want this to really play out as a love triangle, it doesn't work as well when one of those thirds is just constantly beaten down as a character, especially when trying to artificially inflate the virtue of the murderous "redeemed" villain on the other side. The writers who push Rogueneto so hard tend to just hate Gambit and want to cuck him, while they stan for their man Magneto. If you want to do this triangle right, you need to have all three of them rise up as focal characters. And they could have done that, especially at times like the X-men v Avengers or after the death of Xavier. Rogue being so faithful to Charles and his dream fits perfectly beside Cyclops trying to keep that idealized vision alive. While Magneto remains in his camp, pushing the more extremist views of animosity and aggression against humanity. And it would fit well if they became competing figureheads, much as Xavier and Magneto, leading Mutants in two different directions. And that's where Gambit would fit as a third option. What makes him stand out from most X-men, and which most every writer ignores or forgets, is that Gambit was never really beholden to Xavier or his dream. By the time Remy arrived at the school he was already a full formed adult with his own ideology and control of his powers. He never needed to learn from the school or lean on Charles for emotional or psychological guidance or support. He's always been separate from other X-men in that regard, and it seems to be one of the reasons a lot of X-writers, who just have him tag along with no purpose a lot of the time, don't seems to care about or address. Gambit sticks out as sourly underused in general. He's got that swashbuckling hero swagger, a criminal past and contacts, loose morals, and yet a stalwart code of honor. He makes for a great breakaway gray area hero, ala Deadpool or Wolverine, but with more charm and less bloodshed. And while he tends to go at things on his own, often working behind the backs of his teammates, he's also well versed in not only working with an organization, but in actively leading them, as he has been with the Guild since a young age, well before becoming an X-men. This love triangle, written well, should have had him rise up as a third option from the idealist Xavier faction and extremist Magneto faction. He could have been joined by other mutants and heroes who fell through the cracks, not fighting for mutants or humans, but doing what needs doing as they see fit. It would have been a point of contention between not just Gambit and Magneto, as they fight over Rogue, but also between her and Remy, as they come to terms that they do not share the same vision or values. Meanwhile, both of them would have been elevated in importance in the stories to match with Magneto, rather than him being written as the pinnacle being she was made to fawn over, as he cucked the weakling Gambit. Or at least, that's my fanfic version of how this should have played out.
@benschultz1784
@benschultz1784 Месяц назад
"If I had a nickel for every time Marvel had a female character hook up with their BF's nemesis, I'd have 2 nickels, which isn't much but it's strange that it happened twice."
@victoriagarcia3078
@victoriagarcia3078 Месяц назад
Every time I hear someone say “it happened in the comics” I wanna tell them “Spider-Man once killed Mary Jane with his radioactive semen in the comics so why don’t they adapt that as well?”
@Mercy.Beloved
@Mercy.Beloved Месяц назад
It's SO disgusting. It's not just the age gap, it's also the fucking power dynamic. It's grooming. She was barely 20 and he was fucking 60! Old enough to be her grandfather! Not only that, but he helped mentor her in some ways. I hate it when Marvel or DC does gross shit like this. First shit like Deathstroke and Terra, Batman and Batgirl, Jean and Logan, Jean and Professor X (there was a comic panel about it), and now Rogue and Magneto. Rogue and Gambit are already married (ignoring their X-Men Evolution counterparts) and they are final! It ruined X-Men 97 for me. No one liked this shit. No one is a fan of it. We ALL hate it.
@Drixenol86
@Drixenol86 Месяц назад
I’m trying to get over the fact there are people who actually like the Rogue X Magneto thing. It makes me want to throw up.🤮
@JalauroUrsa
@JalauroUrsa Месяц назад
Started reading comics in the late 80s, and stopped in 2008; buying them, that is. After 2010, DC and Marvel just got extremely weird. And, since we're living in the ultra sensitive Twitter era of history, DC and Marvel are selling us the boring fanfiction of some weird writers and artists. Nope! I'm good.
@Fred_pimpstone-II
@Fred_pimpstone-II Месяц назад
LMAO ROUGE FROM MISSOURI, omg imagining her being from a Springfield mo or some ozark backwater is SENDING ME.
@TheKing-uu7jn
@TheKing-uu7jn Месяц назад
This brain rot relationship reminds me of Scarlet Witch and Vision
@lanekramer8943
@lanekramer8943 Месяц назад
Now i do believe Tim Seely has said the comic will not focus on any the romance for Rogue and Magneto, now whether you believe that or not its up to you.
@azrielbayyan8677
@azrielbayyan8677 Месяц назад
i hope that is true
@vitreo1363
@vitreo1363 Месяц назад
Going by his original comments putting the words "Rogue", "sexy" and "Magneto" in the same sentence. along with how far he went to find a panel that made Rogue look like an old woman, I'm skeptical that he's not trying to find a way to justify doing it anyways, even after finding out how much people hate it.
@MrWaifuTaker
@MrWaifuTaker Месяц назад
I've been hunting for omnibuses of older 90's and 2000's Marvel instead of reading sheet like this.
@Fingerprint-face
@Fingerprint-face Месяц назад
I have too.
@josesarango3408
@josesarango3408 Месяц назад
if you read 90s X-men Omnibuses you'll find the Rogue and Magneto pairing. It was a big thing back then, before Gambit
@MademoiselleRed1390
@MademoiselleRed1390 Месяц назад
Damn you Beau DeMayo. But then again, how come they fired him but they still thought his fetish was a good idea for the comics? UGH I hate them.
@justint4049
@justint4049 Месяц назад
God even in the 90s when this happened and she was like cannon 20s I was still isn’t this wrong he’s old enough to be her grandpa
@LaPaisiblePetiteGnomette
@LaPaisiblePetiteGnomette Месяц назад
...Why Marvel doesn't cancel this ? DC canceled Jarley bc it was toxic (but interesting) but Rogneto is literally grooming... This is utterly problematic 💀
@ToxicVex267
@ToxicVex267 Месяц назад
Atleast with joker and Harley their relationship is iconic and while it does make you uncomfortable and is definitely toxic that’s the idea. You’re not supposed to be ok with their relationship. Meanwhile with rogue and magneto they keep tryna push that it’s something that’s healthy and we should be ok with even if theirs manipulation and emotional abuse. Which is why whenever they try this they attempt to change magneto to make it happen which makes it feel forced. Meanwhile joker doesn’t have to change to be with Harley. Also I’m not saying people who like Harley and joker are bad as toxic as it is that relationship is iconic and I can’t really see Harley without the joker no matter how hard they try and push harlivy.
@LaPaisiblePetiteGnomette
@LaPaisiblePetiteGnomette Месяц назад
@@ToxicVex267 Oops, I didn't meant to say that I don't like Jarley, my bad. 😭 Their relationship is twisted and super toxic but interesting cause Harley complete Joker's writing. It's a cautionary tell. They're two both psychotic clowns and they have Judy and Punch dynamic. Harley doesn't suffer from Stockholm syndrome she was a bad girl too and Joker didn't have much to do to seduce her cause she was already attracted to criminals. Villains aren't good models while heroes are actual models and they are idealistic for this reason. 🤔 I think that fiction can portray bad things BUT something that writers should never do is esthetizing creepy things such as grooming (Rogneto) and showing graphic contents that can please some freaks. Rogneto shouldn't exists and it's not normal that Marvel keep promoting it even if everyone complains abt this ship. Romantizing toxic relationships is mixed, for exemple many girls reads books in which there's romantization of toxic couples (I don't read It's so cringe, I prefer classic literature lol 🗿) it's still just fantasy, let's just hope that they don't really fall for bad guys. Another example of toxic couple esthetization is : Lana Del Rey's songs (I listen to her music🗿) she said that she doesn't encourage ppl to do like her, she only relates to her past and just romantize it bc it's her experience of life. These two examples are very mainstream but idk why y'all decided to cancel Jarley when there was actually no romantization of it. I hate Harlivy, it's fetishism and nonsense, to me Harley hardly exists without the Joker but if J get k maybe she would become even crazier and more obsessed by him like in Arkham games, or she would become him like Neo Joker or maybe she even would decide to live a normal life like in Batman Beyond movie. (I always wrote essays 😭)
@ToxicVex267
@ToxicVex267 Месяц назад
@@LaPaisiblePetiteGnomette I completely agree joker and Harley complete each other and no matter how Dc wants people to forget their relationship it’s a fact that without joker there wouldn’t have been a Harley. Joker and Harley are iconic whether dc likes it or not and they can’t erase that. And I also agree the best thing about their relationship is that the writers agree that it’s bad and want you to be upset but angry that Harley keeps going back to him. I also listen to Lana Del Ray my favorite song is young and beautiful🗿. The reason I hate harlivy is cause the only reason it happened is cause they decided to listen to shippers. That relationship felt so forced to me and reading the comic and knowing how toxic ivy can be seeing people cheering it on and acting like it’s so wholesome confused me. While comic book ivy doesn’t physically hurt Harley atleast not as much as joker she sure does emotionally abuse Harley.
@LaPaisiblePetiteGnomette
@LaPaisiblePetiteGnomette Месяц назад
@@ToxicVex267 Ivy is supposed to be a misanthrope, how could she feel passion for something else than nature. I like the idea of her being a loner cause she's wild and free like the nature. The reason why Ivy became friend with Harley is bc she don't understand why she is obsessed by this man bc she is the complete opposite of a simp. If Ivy seduce someone it's to manipulate them. DC can try anything they want to popularize Harlivy but ppl mostly prefer Jarley. 🤭 "Young and Beautiful" is a masterpiece 🗿.
@wolfranger5526
@wolfranger5526 28 дней назад
All this "why are they doing everything we don't want." Well most of the people working in entertainment now actively hate its audience.
@Dunebat
@Dunebat Месяц назад
The operative phrase here is: "Thanks! :D I HATE it!"
@slyaspie4934
@slyaspie4934 Месяц назад
Why, lately does so much entertainment seem to be focused on shipping it's the weirdest thing? Weirdest fan base as well lol
@NathanIsRacin
@NathanIsRacin Месяц назад
I’m so glad someone else had the same reaction I did when I saw the announcement. Rogueneto is disgusting
@a.f.watcher8888
@a.f.watcher8888 Месяц назад
Welcome to the party, Marvel has been pathetic for years.
@BaithNa
@BaithNa Месяц назад
No, there's been plenty of greag books and runs in recent years.
@kolkagaming1234
@kolkagaming1234 Месяц назад
DC crying in the corner because it’s in a worse state than all of Marvel
@jayjaybee
@jayjaybee Месяц назад
Ignore this book and get Uncanny instead, where you get a competent, beautiful, sassy, sexy woman kicking ass and happily married to the love of her life.
@doro626
@doro626 Месяц назад
I love how much you hate this. Honestly when I was your age and they did it for the first time, I think I remember hating it just as much. I honestly cant remember now, because the magnetic field allowing his to touch her was such a cool idea from a writing stand point that I probably eventually forgave it. Joseph helped too.
@Afrotistic
@Afrotistic Месяц назад
No seriously why tf did they do this
@Limerick98
@Limerick98 Месяц назад
In the immortal words of Francine Smith: "He's forty. Years. OLDER THAN HER!!!!"
@billydeal6579
@billydeal6579 Месяц назад
As a human male comic collector from the 90s myself whom watched the animated series as a kid and had formative nocturnal musings over the Savage land Rogue outfit and story, I feel my perspective is paramount here. I've not watched the show's new episodes. But that Rogue Eric relationship seemed to me to come out of NOWHERE. The 2 had history when he briefly led the team between when Professor X left for space in issue 200 until he lost the New Mutant Douglas Ramsay and had a mental breakdown, when he fled and had not been seen since. Rogue had been abscent for a few months, as she had falled through the sieg perilous while fighting the Master Mold. When she went through, she was the former villainess with arthritic fingers and wacky lightning hair and Miss Marvel baggage. When she came out, she was a somewhat teenage (maybe 18 year old) sexual cut of veale through the eyes of Jim Lee with his cookie cutter female proportions. In other words, the savage land was the story that these 2 characters first met after her rebirth and his crisis of self. he also had some sort of de ageing during this time while fighting Nanny and then a re ageing by Moira McTaggart but I didn't have all those issues... Anyway, yeah, it was hot. Yeah it was sexy. But man I got the wrong wrong WRONG idea on whom Mags and Rogue were when I read that. I had alot of trouble reconciling their characters afterward. When she didn't wanna get with Gambit, it made no sense. I'd seen her give in to Magneto. And when Magneto went crazy on Asteroid M, I didn't understand why he didn't just look up Rogue and let her help him. They slept together in the comics. It was a serious thing for both of them. This series is an artifact of the 90s and the artist centered gravity of the industry at the time. It seemed like the coolest thing ever until we all realized how messed up it really was.
@thechuckjosechannel.2702
@thechuckjosechannel.2702 Месяц назад
Marvel has been Crap since the 2000's.
@troffle
@troffle Месяц назад
Marvel, everything, potato, potahto.
@therussiancomicbookgeek
@therussiancomicbookgeek Месяц назад
Hold on X-Men 97 creator is a WHAT?
@vitreo1363
@vitreo1363 Месяц назад
Sent thirst traps to male subordinates for "inspiration"…
@Drixenol86
@Drixenol86 Месяц назад
A sick freak.
@Dunebat
@Dunebat Месяц назад
I'd rather see another comic featuring Gambit and Lil' 'Ro than more Rogue/Magneto nonsense. Even their Age of Apocalypse romance kind of makes me wanna vomit.
@spinningtornado4543
@spinningtornado4543 Месяц назад
I think we should all stop thinking Marvel has a single clue on how bad or toxic they write their romantic relationships, especially in X-Men. We just got a lazy bait-and-switch ending to the entire terrible Krakoa era done for the sake of a $10 badly written wedding special issue between two awfully toxic villains.
@ToxicVex267
@ToxicVex267 Месяц назад
First Zebb wells and Nick Lowe ruin Peter and MJ and now this will our suffering ever end.😢
@zeroisnine
@zeroisnine Месяц назад
Someone needs to photoshop that Sins Past scene, but have Ian McKellan as Norman and Anna Paquin as Rogue
@SammaclauseGamgee
@SammaclauseGamgee Месяц назад
Im not even a Marvel Comics fan, but this bugs me....because I know enough about Rogue and Gambit to say I love it, and enough about Magneto to know hes /OLD/. Edit: what do you call the other form of the Oedipus Complex? Daddy issues? I think the writers have that. 😂
@spinningtornado4543
@spinningtornado4543 Месяц назад
The Electra Complex.
@fortcastellan1730
@fortcastellan1730 Месяц назад
The nice thing about staying away from modern Marvel is that I don't get worked up about things like this! ... I could get behind a longer story with Rogue in her ripped-up outfit. Ditto with her and Ka-Zar (And Shanna and the kid, if I recall!). But Rogue and Magneto....Nah. Like another commentor said, leave that in the Age of Apocalypse stories, where things are meant to be messed up. (And where it leads to annoying Quicksilver!)
@TheWhmaxwell
@TheWhmaxwell Месяц назад
My wife and I watched Xmen 97 and we were "ok, pretty good, pretty... oh wait, what is happening", eww and why would they bring that back, thanks for heads-up, I will definitely not be getting any of the Rogue series. Cheers
@iwatchDVDsonXbox360
@iwatchDVDsonXbox360 Месяц назад
I really hope there is no romance between Magneto and Rogue and it's all misunderstanding. I even don't really care about difference in age that much, i just really don't want to see Rogue and Gambit turned into Peter and MJ. Can we have at least one stable relationship?
@Ricrayn
@Ricrayn Месяц назад
Thank you for that opening, my reaction exactly. I've never liked Rogue x Magneto.
@keithmichael112
@keithmichael112 Месяц назад
Now I want to forget about these lame modern comics and watch Predator. Great film Edit: i just saw that panel where the human torch makes love to a squid or something
@taejasper1343
@taejasper1343 Месяц назад
I totally feel you! Marvel just needs to stop it with this crap and continue Rogue and Gambit, and adapt that into the next X-Men '97 season instead, we don't want this at all! But it seems like Marvel and Disney currently, they hate us for criticizing them for it! We're just bigots and haters for not liking this stuff! But no, we're not, we just don't like this stuff, it's creepy and it's not okay! And it almost tanked sales because fans, reader, general normies, they all hated it, and they cancelled it back in the '90s, but they brought it back for X-Men '97 and people hated that they brought that back into the X-Men cartoon of all things, man! We don't need this at all, it ruined her character so much, bro! And I just, ugh, I don't know, it really irritates me to death how stupid and out of touch they are nowadays when it comes to what fans actually want, they claim that they're actually changing and giving us stuff that we actually want like in the MCU, like Deadpool & Wolverine and Spider-Man:.No Way Home, or at least stuff that they think the fans might want instead of what actually want! So until then, they're not gonna get the trust of the fans back, I mean, they're bringing RDJ as Alternate Universe Iron Man as Doctor Doom, I guess, which is nice, but that tells me that they don't know how to get someone new who isn't an MCU or Marvel veteran to actually play this character and have him be well written instead being butchered, which is not what they want us to do, they don't want us to criticize it because we love RDJ, and it's nostalgia bait, it's just so desperate and hollow and unessecesary and stuff, guys! Come on, now! Just give us what we want! That's all, it's not that hard! It's so simple, but Marvel just keeps messing that up, and they'll just keep going and going until their reputation is in the toilet completely! And I won't feel bad for them once they close down, they did it to themselves by not giving us what we want and bringing back old relationships and storylines that we hated that almost killed them back in the day! And one day, this is gonna bite them in the ass, and hard! They want to keep pandering to shippers who are toxic individuals constantly online! This is gonna hurt them badly! And they need to stop soon! 'Cause these people are absolutely awful, they're bad business! Anyway, nice Cherry Coke shirt! I used to have one of those, and I love that flavor, too, by the way! Really good flavor, dude! Seriously! So good and delicious! Have a good day and take care of yourself, Jester!
@RabbiJoeInJerusalem
@RabbiJoeInJerusalem Месяц назад
"Wait, comics have INSIDES? Sounds like something toxic fans would say!" 🙄
@M_K-Bomb
@M_K-Bomb Месяц назад
Marvel might just be interested in the dialogue and the fact that they are being talked about online. That seems to be the case with the movie industry.
@treymykel
@treymykel Месяц назад
You knew we were going to get a little bit of that because of X-Men 97 was probably already in the pipeline honestly and because people do like row Savage land look they're like okay so we're going to mark it on this with a whole bunch of varian covers and you know there's a group of people who like rogue and Magneto's flirtations together less explore a little bit more of that since people were like oh well rogue and magneto didn't really have much together in those few issues when she was in a Savage land so they're like oh we got a retro fire that we got a wreck on an add more things in there to justify rogue having an attraction to magneto even more than what she did beforehand and to justify her later attraction with what the X-Men Legacy comic book lol
@alessandrobaggi6129
@alessandrobaggi6129 Месяц назад
@treymykel PUNCTUATION!!! 🤬
@BeRealWithDReal
@BeRealWithDReal 29 дней назад
Talking about it seems to give it fuel. Ignore it and hopefully it’ll go away.
@jackvoss1527
@jackvoss1527 Месяц назад
That's pretty gross.
@ClassicHarleyQuinn
@ClassicHarleyQuinn Месяц назад
That clip with Aunt May got me in tears. 😂💀
@nazeirsvibingandstuff769
@nazeirsvibingandstuff769 Месяц назад
To be honest i don't like this ship between magneto and rogue at all because despite its based on a the comic but i don't feel like I'm convinced or anything else because of it Magento is way older than rogue because he was literally born in the 1800s,a child in 1944 and rogue was only a young adult or young teenager no matter what interpretations you pick and that feels wrong in so many levels and this situation feels like batman x Barbara Gordon all over again because of it
@Devilsblight86
@Devilsblight86 Месяц назад
MARVEL, WHAT THE FUCK?!
@langadube9611
@langadube9611 Месяц назад
Why. Just Why.
@JohnHenrysaysHi
@JohnHenrysaysHi Месяц назад
Best intro ever imo. And best returning superhero shirt ever, JesterBell! If you ever do a community post of the best superhero costumes for your favorite characters (please do!), if you don't mind, I'm gonna nominate the Classic Cherry Coke shirt as your best! Good day to you and yours, JesterBell! I was buying Tim Seeley's Nightwing when it was coming out with DC Rebirth, and remembered it being "Better than Batman" (the title of Seeley's Nightwing story arc) but Tom King's Batman, the Batman series that was coming out when Tim Seeley wrote Nightwing, was the straw that broke the camels back where I despised Batman, and thankfully going back to the original Batman foundation in 1939 Bill Finger's and Bob Kane's original run, still need to finish it since I only read around 100 issues, helped me like the character again, and JesterBell...ironically, this video helps remind me why I love old Marvel comics because of how you referenced the past meaning continuity matters! That's why I want read from the beginning with the original foundations of characters, and then if I find a jumping off point, can just enjoy future interpretations retaining elements of the character I liked! Thanks in part to helpful motivation through your positive passion, this year, I read Rogue's first appearance in Chris Claremont's Avengers, which I think was all I had remaining so I have her complete foundation characterization. I've read/watched all the original interpretations of Stan Lee's X-Men; Chris Claremont's X-Men; all the original interpretations of Harley Quinn and everyone in the DCAU so Batman Beyond Terry McGuinnis; Bane; Spider-man and basically his entire cast up to 2007; Deadpool; Fantastic Four; Wally West Flash; Superboy; Tim Drake Robin; Elektra; Typhoid Mary; Frank Castle; Reverse Flash Hunter Zolomon; possibly Captain America, Grant Morrison's Batman and X-Men; and Stan Lee's Avengers (didn't complete all the characters original runs; just them as the Avengers). And you just remind me how I still have fandom passion for Spider-man because hearing you talk about Spider-man post-2007 gets me upset, which I don't mind you speaking about since he's one of your favorites and I keep rambling about it and won't stop! Spider-man and Mary Jane, similar to the X-Men, were like friends to me, and my childhood favorite comic X-Men were Wolverine and Rogue. I love hearing you talk about your favorite characters. I never mind that it's negative because it's coming from your positive passion for something you love! It's awesome someone cares so much! That gets me hyped to check things out! I read all your Gambit recommendations because with how thoughtful you are about your interests, and if you care so much for the character, I wanted in on the goods! Thanks again, JesterBell! Looking forward to your short film!
@lexicon4974
@lexicon4974 29 дней назад
I sincerely doubt the reverse psychology thing will work on the whole MJ ordeal since its been apparent since one more day that Marvel really hates seeing Peter and MJ together or even seeing Peter enjoy life in general, so hearing fans say "yeah lets see pete suffer" or "yeah I love seeing MJ not be married to pete" would probably strengthen their resolve
@JP-1990
@JP-1990 Месяц назад
In regards to the sound issue, Adobe has a web-page with a free audio clean up tool.
@khalidahmed8402
@khalidahmed8402 Месяц назад
The worst part about modern comics (outside of the activism) will always about how the canon has to be changed to be in accordance with the movies & shows
@jbbrolic
@jbbrolic Месяц назад
Tim Seeley Nightwing Rebirth was the best Nightwing run in the last 15ish years. That said that is an EXTREME outlier and propped up by how bad most recent Nightwing books have been. He is a mediocre to very bad writer for the most part.
@pamphletpho8445
@pamphletpho8445 Месяц назад
Not Bojangles De MAYONNAISE!
@toxicToast2448
@toxicToast2448 Месяц назад
Heads up the writer of this story gone onto twitter and confirmed that this headline is misinformation and not actually gonna happen. Please do your research before reporting headlines.
@synical13
@synical13 Месяц назад
Marvel and DC: QUICK! JesterBell likes something! DESTROY IT!!!
@strangeravensupreme
@strangeravensupreme 4 часа назад
Wow. Rogue is my favourite X-Man. Thank you for letting me know you and a ton of other people have no grasp on the point of that plotline in X-Men '97. It seems the only people obsessed with grooming are the people who want to see that in their media whether it's actually there or not.
@doro626
@doro626 Месяц назад
Bring back Gwen's kids she had with Norman Osborn. People loved that story arc!
@codinghusky5196
@codinghusky5196 Месяц назад
I'm under an impression they think we want our fiction to BE the fan fiction we wrote as kids...? It's surreal; past 10 years look like every writer out there came straight off archiveofourown and continued to write actual canon. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this because it's GLARINGLY obvious. It's like they think THAT is what will get primarily women to read comics. Weird.
@tumblingworm737
@tumblingworm737 Месяц назад
Nightcrawlers bamf is supposed to smell like ship*. Hes bamfing in everyones face in the new cartoon and no one says hey kurt youre stinking up the place. Wth
@spinningtornado4543
@spinningtornado4543 Месяц назад
I second that comment : It's supposed to smell of burned brimstone/sulfur aka rotten eggs and warm farts.
@Webwalkerz
@Webwalkerz Месяц назад
I wish I never watched this video so I could stay in the dark about this...
@PerfectPencil
@PerfectPencil Месяц назад
Rogue was born in the 1980s. Magneto was born in the 1920s. That's a nasty mix. Bleh
@hopegalaxy
@hopegalaxy Месяц назад
You're becoming one of my favorites.
@RacingSnails64
@RacingSnails64 Месяц назад
Honestly this is just actually really sad and frustrating. Glad the fan reaction is overwhelmingly negative on it. I don't know how such big companies can be so consistantly inept and dumb and poorly managed.
@SammaclauseGamgee
@SammaclauseGamgee Месяц назад
Im very surprised....comic fans dont like Mary Jane and Peter Parker? /Why/? Did they do some weird shit I dont know about?
@ADelightfulDelirium
@ADelightfulDelirium Месяц назад
omg! I havent even seen the video but I was sooo waiting for you to do one on the new Rogue mini...I was even gonna suggest it myself. And yeah, I'm frustrated with Marvel too about this one.
@revolutionarydragon1123
@revolutionarydragon1123 Месяц назад
As far as asm goes, it is still a top 5 seller, so to editorial, Twitter isn't real because if it was ppl would have been dropping the book
@Deuteromis
@Deuteromis Месяц назад
Well in the original X-men comics Professor X was in love with Jean Grey who was 14. Hey is MJ still with Paul?
@Patterner
@Patterner Месяц назад
" a strange game, the only winning move is not to play."
@hallowedclaret
@hallowedclaret Месяц назад
When I saw this announcement, I immediately thought ‘Eww…’ coupled with ‘Uh oh, JesterBell is going to HATE this 😂💯 Lord…help us all.
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