This makes your GH5 & 5s Cinematic 

Yes, you will not recover any data you didn't capture, just like I said in the video. cine-d is not calibrated image profile. It's colour accuracy is really bad. When you turn it to v-log and then to rec709 with an accurate LUTs you will not gain any more data, but you gain calibrated (or at least more calibrated) colours and a format that is easier for grading. When it comes to DR cine-d doesn't have that much of a difference to v-log. Tested it my self and there is starting to pop up videos on youtube talking about the same thing. Like this: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-86Dx5qIljZY.html But I'm not here to talk about the DR difference or not. I will not take any stand on the issue. Yes, LUTs are good start, but one needs to be mindful of which LUT to use. There is big differences between different LUTs. The first video inside the course compares few different LUTs for V-log.

If your actual concern is to improve Cine-D color accuracy, V-log conversion is a time-consuming sidestep. There's a much more efficient and accurate way to calibrate Cine-D footage: Shoot a standard 4X6 color chart (such as X-rite), download Adobe's free DNG Profile Editor, and make your own calibrated LUT. This will produce superior results because it is calibrated specifically to your camera's tone curve, shooting at the color temperature of those particular lighting conditions. Do this with every scene and it will give you consistent color balance across all footage, regardless of lighting variations.

Or shoot with a 32x16 colour chart and the x-rite with 6 different exposures and offset WB to four different directions, create the LUT with 3D lut creator, which is the best tool on the market for this kind of work, minimise any human interaction to the process and calibrate the LUTs twice during the creation process and voila you will get even better result. :-D

That's the process I used for the LUTs inside the KIT.

That would work as well, but if you're going to that much trouble and expense, you can cut to the chase and produce conversion LUT's calibrated specifically to color correct GH5 Cine-D shot at specific color temperatures. That way you can work directly on Cine-D footage with no need to waste time round-tripping into V-log along the way. V-log offers no post production advantages over Rec 709 - it is NOT independent of white balance, is not standarized to anything more than Panasonic's proprietary specifications, and your monitor is calibrated to display Rec 709, not V-log. White balance is by far the most problematic issue with color correction of all non-RAW capture formats, with V-log footage just as much as Cine-D. Properly normalizing WB is the crucial step, regardless of your preferred camera profile.

Correct, except turning std to vlog and then back to rec709 doesn't deteriorate the quality as long as you software's working bit depth is 16 or more. (the footage's bit depth doesn't matter) Premiere Pro, fcpx and resolve work in 16 or more bits. But you are correct, the luts will not give you more data, it will just remap everything to vlog. Kind of redistribute the data to a new coordinates. Not magic, but makse it easier to work with.

I read a lot of the discussion above, and did I miss something or are you are the first person to mention this? Everyone is extremely rosy cheeked in these corrected pictures. Whereas the examples that are referred to are actually flatter, more natural and therefore more pleasing on the eye in my humble.

Yes, I love the channel too. He is super good at what he does, but misinformation is misinformed. I must spread it sometimes as well. :-D

about whom are you talking? max?

I laughed audibly at that part because “you know who” canon fanboy, who I don’t generally have an issue with normally, had his gh5 vlog video TORN apart viciously lol

:-D Yes, I like saturation and redness. inside the course in the next video, I'll show how to go beyond "my style" and how to work with saturation for example. :-) Try my best to upload it today.

this video is beyond silly - its bad,-

damn - you are resilient ! Ill give you a thumb up for tenassity ! ;) (y)

Because it IS silly. And ineffective.

@Joo.Works Titanium is right, double converting is not good thing. And you know that when you say : "...for example the CINE-D has less dynamic range than the real Vlog...but there is the trick to get most of it back..." Hmmmm. The "most of it" is enough ? Because we wanna save $100 for the Vlog upgrade ? Hmmm. You are a little bit one-sided, biased towards yourself. Because you dont think of disadvantages you don't really care, because the idea is "great". Nah its not so great at all. You convert jpeg to RAW then you edit it then you convert RAW to jpeg again. And you think this double conversion (compressions) is lossless or almost. I pay $100 instead, (for Vlog upgrade) its nothing compared to equipments and accesories. Then I shoot in RAW not in jpeg. Of course in video world its not RAW and jpeg, but at least everyone can get the methaphor. "I like saturation and redness..." - ok but you don't seem like a great photo/video artist sorry to say. It's my opinion, no offence. You should buy GoPro6 , you could get tons of saturation. Just don't mix the art and the technical details please, they are totally different categories. That's your mistake. Maybe other people don't like the lobster skin, oversaturated and underexposed picture, maybe they do, who knows. Some people above who say "I much prefer 4:44 to 4:48" , they are maybe right maybe not. But I think 4:48 is definitely not better than 4:44 , not at all. They have just differerent problems. Just stick to the technicals in my opinion. And saving $100 is not a great deal to a professional for "almost as good" and for "most of it" :)

The kit is done only for gh5, but if I would remake the LUT for some other camera the same process could be done for other cameras as well. But I would not use Vlog as my base. :-D Maybe c-log for canon. Canan has good colours allready, so the benefit would not be so noticeable. On sony, this would be a lifesaver. So I'll do this for sony next. :-D Canon. Hmm I don't know if canon even needs this.

ok thank you!

is it a plugin?

I tested it and it's super bad. The first video on the free course compares different lut's. The official is among the worst.

Hello, Mr.Chato! Your fan here! No, pre-white balancing does not influence on DR at all

Hey, Serj, we must stop meeting across other people's channels like this. People will talk. Thanks for the info.

Hello you people! Thanks for helping Serj.

Huge WB shifts may increase the noise in blue channel. And probably reduce DR of blue channel. It's depends of internal camera processing.

It actually increases the dynamic range, since you don't have to mess with it in post, since no matter what, this is not RAW. :D

Good to hear this Mike! :-)

fool

Mikkel Grum Bovin :-D short and sweet.

I'll give it a try. Thanks man!

fool

Mikkel Grum Bovin You mis spelled cool

Hi, so you signed in to the course as email? I seem to have some issue with my email provider. Need to check into that. Send me an email and let me help you get the links. And I'm agree 100% that no one lut will fix your shot. Often when you apply the LUTs from the pack, your footage looks bad, but then you adjuste exposure and wb befor the lut and you get something totally different and good looking. The best results come from using the V-log and the LUTs meant for WB fixing inside the KIT, but it's but unpractical to be using them all the time. So Premiere's sliders shall do. :-)

Thanks! It's better to be humble. Less trouble... :-D

fool

Interesting! :-)

respect to ya, but I really prefer the 4:48

No problem! :-) it's good to hear that.

Vince Lujan No worries, that's what makes life interesting.

Second one looked too contrast to me as well

Paul Scott thaks for telling! :-)

Connor Lipke it's my weird way to show respect to the work he does. :-)

luckydrum96 it's not their fault, It took me a long time to understand this as well. :-) we are all just eagar to share what we have learned no matter if it's miss infomation or not. :-D I must do the samething sometimes.

Adan Sotelo you are most wellcome. Do check the free course as well.

Channe mixer technique should work with any LOG profile and for example I'll be doing a video for sony a6500 someday soon. What camera are you using?

Good to hear that. Try my vlog to rec709 LUT, you might like it better. :-) Tell me what you think. The LUT is on the course page.

I have done these LUTs with the gh5 so I can't promise you anything, but there have been people working with these LUTs in gx85 and gh4 and they have said that it works. I haven't tested it my self.

Thanks for this comment. I wanna say as well, that there is alot I have learned after this video and will continue forward. But it's true most arguments against me can't share examples.

Thanks! Yes, a6500 and a6300 will be next. First I'll refine the logic of the KIT as well.

:-D Have been thinking about it. And lately I have not uploaded anything else. But does "Buy my sony KIT-tutorial" count as a "something else"? Those are up soon.

Four I'm scared to do that too, but so far the quality has been the same. I'll try to make the Lut as perfect as possible. Going to do more test sooner or later. If you wanna be 110% sure, continue with vlog for now. :-)

Luke Holliday :-) sony user will benefit very much from using the channel mixer as well. When shooting on redlog gamut the benefit is not as obious.

You are wellcome!

matt dutiel yes it was TF. I relly like his channel.

me too! I thought I recognized that voice! great info, keep up the great work!

Yes, the conversion doesn't give you any new data. It wild just spread the captured data to vlog space. Where it's much easier to work with. Try the free coure and you get the idea on how to the process works.

I'm eger to see what you can do with these LUT's. Your latest videos have already been so gooood!

Joo.Works bought them earlier 🙏💪 thanks for all your work 🔥🔥🔥

lapidoutnumber i went viral after learning from joo works 💰

lapidoutnumber i did with a lil help from the goat 😁

Thanks!

Nice to meet you as well. ;-) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vUrjcAEtATE.htmlm47s "of course the look up tables will not give you back any information you didn't capture... cine-d has less DR than vlog" +when working in 16bit it doesn't matter if you bring the footage to the moon and back, as long as the ending point and starting point are close enough. +the DR difference between profiles is not actually that different in low iso (based on testing). But I'm not interested to shake peoples beliefs so let's not start arguing about that. I'll upload a video about it sooner or later. +The biggest difference between cine-d/std and V-log is the smaller gamut (colour space) this will limit the post-processing possibilities of the footage, for example, you can fix rather big WB differences in Vlog, but in cine-d, you hit the walls of the gamut much faster. BUT HLG has almost as big gamut as the vlog, so you don't loose there either (well... assuming that the conversion to vlog would be perfected, which it's not... at least in the version 1.0). Video about this will be up sooner or later as wel.

everything you say here is wrong: The Signal is 10bit max, VlogL has the highest dynamic range of all profiles, the big difference of VlogL is that you can shoot ETR and recover the signal by -1,5 Stops to get a clean and crisp image. please do you homework before publishing this videos.

AH! Scroll down the comments, we had these conversations already with someone else there. You seem like a guy who is more interested in theoretical arguments than actually testing. I'm more interested in testing. There will be test videos on the channel soon showing you what I sad in practice. Let's continue after those videos. -With 16bit I was referring to the software working bit depth, which is 16bit in premiere pro, fcpx and resolve for example. -Vlog has about 1/3 stop more highlight DR, but maybe 1/5 less in the shadows than HLG, based on testing -ETR? ETTR? You can ETTR with whatever profile, even with your mobile phone's camera. I invite you to join my messenger for chatting. I have learned a lot by chatting with people from youtube on my messenger. joo.works/join

Joscha Seehausen ..acually...Joscha you are wrong there.. Yes...in both GH4 amd Gh5 ....employing or using V log l does give 12 stops of dynamic range.......However...in the case of GH5s....hybrid log gamma has 14 stops... So.. It has more than v log l. I thought this was strange myself.. But when I attended an event for this camera.. I was explained this..

Thanks man!