One thing I’ll give the set designers and the cinematography a big credit is how they nailed the setting and the aesthetic on the era of the last days of the golden age for the Jedi before the transition to the Fall of the Jedi Order. Yeah I loved how they showed more Aliens old and new compared to most shows.
Looks like it’s got great potential. I’m not in the camp of thinking all Disney’s SW output is rubbish. The sequels were a travesty, but I’ve enjoyed a lot of the TV series, and Rogue One was brilliant imo.
I just gonna say it: all Star Wars is great. Some movies or shows are just better tho, and I enjoy the prequels the most. Sequels aren’t terrible for the most part, just less good than the others. And rogue one is amazing too
@@thepikminbrawler1746 yeah, I thought it was interesting when they said 100 years before the rise of the empire in the prologue but when outside the show they say before The Phantom Menace. Guess it's easier to identify a big event in universe to clarify the timeline
im liking the show so far but mae's intro was kinda goofy, like she just strolls into the bar and yells at the jedi to fight her like kratos yelling 'ZEEEEEUS' in the old god of war games
Jedi don't attack. She knew that and was trying to goad her into behaving hypocritically because in her mind the Jedi were evil and did something horrible to her in the past.
I loved the choreography and everything but I was also very pleased with how much story and unspoken dialogue is in these fights. Like its not just your mindless marvel spectacle fight, you know what their motives and changing views are during the fight and can see how that effects their actions. Indara doesn't draw her weapon until the last possible second and then gets called out for what that means and looks almost guilty, but mae is just pushing at that to get her defenses down. It's so good and hints at so much more hidden plot that we get a few more pieces of in the second episode. Turning out to be a great mystery story for those reasons too
I personally think it was all a setup. Why would an Acolyte attack only her in public vs being sneaky about the other Jedi? I think Indara is the dark jedi that trained her and is getting back at the other jedi for doing whatever they did. This is the way Indara is trying to make up for whatever happened.
You know what I’ll say it, I was at first hating on this series, thinking it was gonna be doo doo. But after watching the first episode I can say it’s not as bad as I thought it was gonna be. Off to a better start that Kenobi and Ahsoka combined.
The lightsaber was drawn when she knew her life was in danger, but even then she wasted not a millisecond in lowering her defenses to save an innocent life. A true Jedi.
I totally get where you’re coming from, but technically lightsabers are not meant to kill the target unless the wielder intends to do so. think about it - a Jedi’s weapon should have a functional purpose against people other than killing them, as that wouldn’t align with their code of ethics. that’s also why a lightsaber slash cauterizes whatever wound it creates, so the target doesn’t bleed out and die anyway. that being said, it’s certainly still possible to kill someone with a lightsaber, as we see with qui-gon and maul in the phantom menace, but the difference is maul was actually trying to kill him.
@quentinsilver4721 Nope. A lightsaber was always intended to be a deadly and menacing weapon. Has been for over 40 years. From when Vader tried to slice obi wan in half, fought Luke on Bespin and the Death Star, Maul gutting Quigon, count dooku fight and losing his head, and lastly Anakin’s genocide of the Jedi. There’s no justification of it. Disney Lucasfilm has no brains and wrecked Star Wars. That’s it
I think it is off to a great start. I really enjoyed the first two episodes. I also think that the creative team has played Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2 or are at least familiar with it.
All the fighting so far is really good. But is it just me, or is the Yord actor just there for his look? That shirtless scene, well, that was honestly kinda hot
Dope intro for sure, but seeing a Jedi get killed with a steak knife after seeing so many survive chest stabs with a lightsaber was tough for me to see lol.
No hero plot armor. Plus at least for Sabine in Ahsoka, she got run through on her left side, away from the vitals that would cause a quick death. Without being picked up so quickly, she would have still died due to the trauma of it despite the cauterizing a lightsaber causes. A probably... Four inch blade striking between the upper ribs, near the sternum. The only reason she didn't drop from shock is because the heart is swept the right in it's shape. Major fatal damage but not an instant shock drop and bleed out like a hit from to the right side of the chest. Any puncture into the body of 3 inches or more has fatal wound potential. Placement makes even that minimum of 3 inches all the more likely to cause a very quick death via shock and bleed out, shock and asphyxia, asphyxia or arterial bleed out.
On one hand, killing off Master Indara in the first ten minutes seems like a waste. On the other, it establishes that the Jedi are kind of naive at this point, as she is almost humoring the young whippersnapper until suddenly innocent bystanders are at risk, and then suddenly its too late. Hopefully we see in later flashback sequences that Indara could have ended that fight very quickly if she had taken the threat seriously.
In the words of the critical drinker "why does carrie ann moss look like shes fighting with a metal rod up her arse" may was fighting great but the stiffness of carrie was annoying. I dont like the show so far but the alien designs are good and set design in my op
Good choreography from disney is so rare. I was genuinely surprised. When they said they plan to beat the fight scene from The Phantom Menace, i was like "pfft, yeah right". Now, i think they might be on to something
I still feel like "Pfft, yeah right" in the grand scheme of things. While choregraphed VERY well, the Dual of The Fates was also performed by one of the martial fighters of the time, Ray Park, whom Ewan McGregor engaged in a friendly competition of "Who's the better fighter." Liam Neison also shows plenty of chops from his previous experience in other movies with sword fight scenes and using his weight. Also, they had to tell Park and McGregor to slow down during their one on one duel, and even then they had to slow down the footage. They poured their blood, sweat and tears not only into learning it, but performing it. Topping it would be difficult in the best of circumstances, equaling it still as difficult. Being in the same ranking, much more possible. DoTF is also in a category of it's own as a raw fight. They'd need to pull a more intricate (Without being outright flashy) and believable fight with the same dedication from both (Or several) people in the fight scene to their training in the choreography. It could be in the same league/at the same level by pulling off something as impactful and impressive in it's own right with combinations of what we've seen thus far (force usage and defensive martial arts.) with good saber combat as well. DoTF was a show of what Jedi could have been/were when fighting (almost) purely blade to blade with action, composure and posture as the way to try and throw the other off or maintain the composure. There needs to be something in the fight that isn't just the fight. It's why the fast but fairly basic strike and block patterns in Anakin and Obi-Wan's fight for a good portion of the fight, still seem interesting beyond the spectacle of the surroundings. And then why the fight in Episode 2 falls short. Aside from the fact that as good of a villain Christopher Lee could pull off, he couldn't do the fighting and there wasn't the tech at the time to do good enough CGI facial layover for the non close up shots to be done without an effort to keep the stunt double's face out of shot as much as possible.
Compared to the shaky fight scene with Obi & Vader, I could see why people enjoy the scenes. I don't think I'm there yet, but I can appreciate the integration of Force into the moves. I'm just not overly enthused about it all, wouldn't say 'Phenomenal' just yet, but that's me.
I think it would have been even better if we got an episode or two to know Indara before she got killed off. So that it establishes the stakes and sets up our characters before dropping them like flies
Agreed. Likewise, I would've liked to spend more time with Osha in her daily life as a mechanic before it's uprooted by the arrival of the Jedi ... instead, they gave us less than 4min.
Nah, I’m a big mystery buff and “this is the way” a lot of great mysteries start, it’s a Whydunit. The show was initially presented as a Star Wars mystery.
My first problem with The Acolyte is that the Disney+ streaming appeared low-resolution. The scenes looked blurry. So I found a different way to watch the program. My second problem with The Acolyte is that the first two episodes don't feel that original. George Lucas's Star Wars always felt unique, different, and alien. The show takes us to several worlds that weren't that distinct from one another. The story and the characters haven't wowed me yet. I'm interested, but they feel routine. The first few episodes of The Mandalorian felt much more unique and alien. How is The Acolyte better than Kenobi?
Your first problem just feels like heavy nitpicking or an issue with your device. I literally watched the first two episodes fine. The second criticism I could see, but I thought the worlds were just fine.
@@jaketylenol If the streaming performance (which was on my computer) was bad for me then it was likely bad for others. The show holds my interest, as any Star Wars show does, but the characters feel wooden. I am not yet attached to the characters.
It was well choreographed, but let down by the script. "Try to kill me Jedi." could have been pulled off by Maul or Grievous or Ventress or a Mandolorian, but not the pipsqueak. She should have said nothing and went for the kill from the start. And a supposed Jedi Master being unable to stop two knives that she knows will be thrown is unacceptable. Jedi Padawan can track and deflect dozens of blaster bolts from multiple directions, but the supposed Jedi Master can't stop two daggers with the Force? Nonsense.
Nah man - I’m sorry but this is bottom of the barrel stuff I don’t think we watched the same show there was a cut about every 3 seconds and the movements were all speedramped in editing to make it look faster
on the contrary, I think they overuse the Force in combat. I appreciated how sparingly the Force was overtly used in the originals, and even in the prequels… but in two episodes of this show we’ve seen the Force used to stop someone from falling three times now 😑 and I still think _Mando_ Seasons 1 & 2 and _Andor_ are miles ahead of the other live-action shows.
One thought one your comment about the "over use of the force" is that, to my knowledge, during the High Republic Era, the Jedi are at the height of their power. So it makes a bit more sense that they might have a stronger bond with the force than in other shows. Thus they would be able to use it to a fuller extent. Just a thought 🤷🏻♀️
@@madelynnbartos5272 - but if a Jedi can easily just freeze his opponent in mid air with the Force, why not just start out every duel with that move? and the fact that they can easily read people’s minds as well… why not just capture the apothecary guy and read his mind? why bother with the ruse of Osha posing as Mae to get him to confess? I suppose there’s always a way to reconcile flaws with canon, but the overuse of the Force just makes each use less special.
I hated it.... but luckily that was the only part i didnt like so far. They got it out of the way early.... hmmm wonder if they knew how weak that scene is... Its just doesnt make sense that shes so weak to die to a child... Shes clearly meant to be a relatively strong jedi how does a silly obvious trick work that easily...
It looks kind of ridiculous to me. I'll accept the Force boosted hand to hand stuff from the character without a lightsaber, but the whole fight overall looks extremely stiff, snappy, almost robotic. It doesn't flow very well. Indara looks like she's goofing around while innocent people are being attacked and the needlessly dramatic force holds with the two characters looking at each other doesn't feel like something a Jedi would do. You gonna hold them there forever? Do something. It just doesn't feel believable, I guess. Compare the fluidity of Episode 1's fighting to this.
Honestly a good couple of episodes so far. This show is definitely overrated and people really need to get out of the “Disney hate” mentality or else they won’t enjoy anything.
The only thing I'm mildly upset about is that they put this scene in all of the trailers, making us think Indara was going to be a major character, then killed her off in the first scene.
I like that personally, this show is a case where subverting expectations is OK. This is a murder mystery, it’s supposed to be filled with misdirects and red herrings and twists. Osha was a red herring for the twist of Mae. The promotion of Indara was a misdirect to throw us off the trail. Immediately opening with a big misdirect like that throws us off and tells us the show will be anything but predictable. There’s still so much mystery around the motive for the murder and the identity of this mysterious stranger Mae is working under. I thought episode 1 was really good and I can’t wait to catch episode 2 later.
@@jeromevaleska2014 I didn't say I thought the show was bad, although I've also only seen the first episode, and I do like the mystery aspect, I was just annoyed that such a hyped-up and promoted character died instantly. Just including Carrie-Anne Moss for one scene seems like a bit of a marketing grab. It was a really good scene though. I hope we see more of Indara in flashbacks or something.
@@ItsQubic I never said you did, I never even silently got that impression from your comment. I just explained why I liked the choice with Indara and then gave my opinion on the show. And agreed on the last sentence.
@@jeromevaleska2014 Although honestly, thinking more about it, it was a phenomenal opening scene, even if I'm disappointed we won't see more of Indara. Hoping for some flashbacks.
everyone is thrashing it but I must say it seemed pretty good so far. At least it felt more Star Warsy than Andor. Also scenes and world building were great. Usage of the Force so far very good. References to older material like citing the Sith Code very cool. I gave it a chance and it didn't disappoint me yet.
The choreography was actually decent. The pattern around it is total trash Be the acolyte: Risk revealing yourself and whoever is training you to the entire Jedi order, Your intention is to KILL the Jedi in question, so what do you do. You bring 2 small knives and walk straight up to the Jedi. Who looks at you like you are a total dumbass as you assume a "Combat pose" and they do absolutely nothing (as expected from somebody who literally dedicates there life to peace). Your sole intention is to kill the Jedi, as a "Sith". So you decide the best course of action is to y'know not bring your own lightsaber that's Jedi colored for less suspicion or hell even red if you don't have anything else. But to bring 2 small knives, attack directly from the front with honor and not like an Assassin which is clearly what you are good at. Then get absolutely rolled by the Jedi, who you had numerous chances to kill. It's stupid so far, but it's too early for me to say anything truly bad about it other than "WTF is the way of attack here" But the whole "Anakin blew up the deathstar" interview and how this fight had a really dumb pattern that didn't line up at all with the whole "sith are in hiding this will be an isolated incident" situation. It's not giving me much hope for the show. Also, Yes I did watch the whole fight. The acolyte accomplished her goal, yet she could have done it within the first 30 seconds if she had done literally anything else than what she did.
It's crazy to me how many people trash this show for things they don't understand. Things that are CLEARLY EXPLAINED RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE, if you'd just pay attention to wtf is happening. Like seriously, how old are you? You're complaining that it's stupid that a character who has given every possible sign imaginable that she clearly isn't an expert assassin isn't acting like an expert assassin? Why do you think the Jedi she fights don't take her very seriously? Why do you think the other people at the table laugh at her at first? That's the point of her character. They all underestimate her because she isn't very confident. She's a student. She's young. And she ultimately uses this to her advantage. And you're complaining she isn't using a lightsaber, when at this point in the show there's nothing at all that implies she would even have a lightsaber? You don't think that the writers intentionally focused on the shot of the jedi's lightsaber rolling on the ground as Mae walks away specifically to show that she's choosing not to use one? And in the next episode it's very explicitly explained that she has to kill her targets a certain way. Meaning: whoever she's the acolyte of specifically instructed her not to use a lightsaber when killing the Jedi. It's implied to be a test. How hard is it for people to make inferences these days? Jesus Christ.
@@thewatcher7940 I wrote this before I saw all that, if you're gonna get snappy were not gonna have this chat. Either way. It's painfully mid like the other 90% of the Disney Starwars
I was bored of the show, and I can see the show degrading with each episode when it comes to its storytelling so this is where I hop off good luck watching the rest of the episodes. I hope they are not as bad as I predict they will be.
Story isnt good and im not a fan of a lot of the things the people behind the scenes are saying. Unfortunately i think that the fight choreography isn't enough to keep this whole situation afloat.
choreography was ass, their force jumps were as if they were on strings and the decisions of the jedi master in this fight were absolutely terrible, not cutting or disarming the opponent endangering bystanders. Nearly nothing made sense.
The plot so far for the first two episodes seems kind of meh. But the show is beutifully shot and produced. I also thought it was neat that Jedi Master Indara was found sharing a meal with non-Jedi. And that her dining companions were initially ready to come to her aid.
congratulations! youve discovered what is called subjective opinion, something that sets humans apart from each other. just because they have a different opinion to you doesnt mean its invalid :)
@@Night_Wolf_Studios movements and attacks that werent even close. why is she swiping way over her head. in TLJ same thing wild swings no where near what could be an attack. they were slow and clunky like that. some of that is carrie is old but even the distraction some how a throwing knife is insta death but a saber to the chest is barely an inconvenience. disney sw has no consistency. it is immersion breaking. thats part of why andor and rogue one were so good bc they didnt have to deal with the problem of power balance. again just imho. if it worked for others thats great. some loved the last jedi. these shows make me hate lightsabers and force powers. how does carrie have some force powers but couldnt see a simple bait and switch. im just saying xmen 97 quality of writing is the bar. if a show cant be written better than a cartoon thats just sad. and unfortunately that is the norm these days. #makewritinggreatagain.
I love the idea of how different Jedi were during this time. More defensive. More strict following how a Jedi fights. The only thing that bugged me was killing Carrie and moss and using her in all the marketing was a lame GOT trick. Only reason I was invested when she died was because it was trinity dying.
